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Is it okay at the end of my prayers to ask Jesus to please let my deceased loved one know that I miss him and love him? Is that showing disrespect to God/Jesus, to use them as a messenger on my behalf. I just miss my loved one so much.

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MarkV: I'm still waiting for answers to my questions. If you have none, then be man enough to admit it.


---jerry6593 on 2/3/12


Ever heard of Pascals wager Cliff?, If us who believe all this hubbub are wrong and we die, we have lost nothing, but, if you dont believe and its all true, then, well I guess you know the rest of that story. Are you a gambling fellow? If not, then you may want to fold, stop arguing against that old outdated book, and stop stacking the odds against you, because in the event youre wrong and have to face this Jesus person, your own words will condemn you. Not trying to shovel the rhetoric, but make it plain and simple, well have nothing to lose if were misled sheep victimized by religion, but you may be in the whole, literally.
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 2/2/12


Mark V, Do you not know "everything" in the universe is made up of Electrons,Protons and Neutrons?
The building blocks of everything on earth.
You're kidding yourself if you think some invisible "whatzit" escapes the body.
It's not a matter of spiritual understanding,insight,or special whispers from the Holy Spirit.
Pinch yourself and see if you're real!
I believe what you have is a "hedge" against the fear of final death! (the ultimate fate of the evil ones)
---1st_cliff on 2/2/12


Mark V, Your answer is much like Nicodemus' **if you are alive physically, how can you be born again**
You were born the first time when you emerged from the womb!
Earthbound with this earthly body you cannot go more than 10,000 feet up!
You can only leave this planet in a Spirit body like the angels,which requires a whole new emerging birth to become a "spirit being"!
You are not yet one as you still are a human being!(subject to all human ills)
Those Jesus is taking to be Kings and Priests,need a spirit body,to leave earth, Hence the "re-birth"
This happens at resurrection,IF you are chosen!Not a "re make" but a new creature!
---1st_cliff on 2/2/12


1Cliff, you are trying to reason Scripture in the flesh. It prophets nothing concerning spiritual matters. Why do you think Jesus said a person must be born again? For no good reason? Or do you think it was not true? If you are alive physically how can you be born again if it is not spiritually? Adam was spiritually alive to God before the fall. The day he sinned that same day he died spiritually. He was separated from God. And Scripture tells us all his descendants are separated from God, dead spiritually, dead in sin. But this is Scripture and you do not believe Scripture. That is why you have a hard time understanding. God has to draw you to Him in order to understand but you want to make sense of all this in the flesh, not spiritually.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/12




Mark V, One area of the brain contains memory,another,motor skills,another, language, cognition,sight, hearing etc..
These combine to make a "personality" that is uniquely you!
There's no separate being inside you apart from your brain!
Brain activity is what determines life!
Only God can re-create your brain pattern and bring "you" back to life!
No mystical hologram leaves your body.
Resurrection means re standing to life, not coming back from somewhere!
---1st_cliff on 2/1/12


1Cliff, I totally know what preconceive ideas mean. In studying Scripture it means theological bias. What we have learned before. And it is hard for someone who has ideas that fit their believes to change, but what I gave you are not ideas but Truths from God's Word. How you take those passages is a different story. Just because God did not mention that He gave the Spirit also to Adam does not mean He didn't, for Scripture later declares we have a soul and a spirit. Sometimes the context speaks of both as the same, depending where you find the passage and its context. A short study in hermeniutics can help any believer how to interpret Scripture. But a person has to have a willing heart to learn.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12


MarkV: "Jerry, you need to be born of the Spirit to understand this subjects [sic] we are discussing."

I think that you need to "try the spirit" that leads you, as it does not seem to be from God.

This (the dead are really alive) paradigm is contradicted many times in scripture and is illogical at best. e.g.: Why should Christ go to prepare a place for us and come back to get us if we are already with Him? Why does He need our old, rotten bodies? Couldn't He just make new ones in heaven? Why is King David not ascended to heaven? Answers please!



---jerry6593 on 2/1/12


Mark V, When a person has preconceived ideas all conversation is geared to that end!
If I say "My life" or "my sorrow" or "my happiness" these are not separate entities any more than "My souL" or "My spirit"
Using the possessive does not mean that a soul or spirit exists apart from my person!
Adam "became" a living soul he did not have one separate from his being! (read it)
What is the "spirit of '76?"
The "Christmas spirit?"
Are they people?? (this takes insight)
---1st_cliff on 1/31/12


1Cliff, I do not judge you as a bad responder or a bad guy, I judge what you say and the questions you ask concerning your status as a believer. I don't mind your answers one bit since I have not seen you call anyone names as others.
Jesus in His humanity had a soul and a spirit. God's word (Matt. 26:38) "My soul is exciting sorrowful, even unto death" and (John 13:21) "When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" But He also had a divine nature. I also have passages for that. But you have to believe the Word of God first. And that is impossible for you because you already made up your mind, and in order to have a change of mind, you need the Spirit to do that.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/12




MarkV, You can judge me, that's fine,I'm used to that.
Define "Jesus gave up His spirit" (Differenciate this from soul)
When Jesus emerged from the womb and took His first breath,like Adam, He became a living soul!
Giving up that last breath, He died!(His last breath WAS His spirit)
Of course there's no mention of spirit being killed, how can you kill air? Spirit beings like Angels is a different matter!
I understand spiritual matters but not mysticism!
---1st_cliff on 1/31/12


1Ciff, you have several problems and they are big. First, you do not believe the Word of God, which is the biggest one, because salvation comes through His Word. Second, you do not believe that Christ was also God in His nature. Third, you could not be born of the Spirit, are else you would know spiritual matters. You want to make sense of things thinking in the flesh so they are foolishness to you. And here we are talking about spiritual matters. Did Jesus die on the Cross? He did. What else could be worse? Did Jesus give up His Spirit just before He took His last breath? He did. Does a spirit die? Nowhere are we told. It is not made up of physical matter. I don't proclaim to know anyone heart, I just judge by what they say.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/12


Mark V, I believe Jesus died completely to free us from death's bondage,
You say He died Physically but not spiritually so that makes it only half dead right?
Who was the real Jesus , the physical or the spiritual?
If He or us is made up of two separate parts and one part dies , is that not "half?"
Was not the required price a "whole person" regardless of how many parts he's made of?
Answer with your spiritual insight!
---1st_cliff on 1/30/12


MarkV: I don't mean to sound offensive, but for a person like you who claims "insight" I can't understand why you just don't "get it!"
Why doesn't a deaf person's spirit hear?
Why doesn't a blind person's spirit see?
Are the mentally challenged spiritually challenged as well?
You are so tied up with this spiritual mysticism that you can't see reality!
Look up the definition of "spirit" in a good bible dictionary. 1st definition is "AIR" pneuma-like pneumatic tools driven by air.
that's what leaves your body!
Long as you're breathing ,you're alive!
---1st_cliff on 1/30/12


Jerry, you need to be born of the Spirit to understand this subjects we are discussing. You are still asleep. You need an awakening of the Spirit. Then you will understand. Hope God awakes you.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/12


Mark V, "if not what is it that is dead?"
The "person" is dead not just the body!
When you slept last night,where you aware every minute you slept? NO! Time passed that you have no recollection of, right?
This is the state of the dead, and why Jesus referred to Lazarus as "sleeping"
Awakening from sleep or awakening from death is the same thing.
Even Paul said "we will not all "sleep" in death"(1Cor 15.51)
The only thing leaving your body at death is your breath(pneuma- spirit)that you interpret as "soul"
---1st_cliff on 1/30/12


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1Cliff, concerning (John 3:16) Jesus in His humanity did die physically. That was the whole purpose, to die for our sins physically and suffer for us, real pain. His Spirit did not die, for He is God.
When He was resurrected, He rose with a resurreced body that is eternal, just as ours will be at the resurrection.
You say:
"MarkV: Herein lies the problem,Jesus does not call the "bodies" Read the text: The "DEAD" not dead bodies will rise again!"
If they died, does that not mean the physical body? if not, what is it thats dead? The Spirit is part of the body while a person lives. And nowhere are we told the Spirit dies, it can be killed by God, but nowhere are we told His killing them.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/12


MarkV: What did I do to rattle your chain? Did you think that MarkAxe was referring to you? It didn't, it refers to a guy named Mark who calls himself "StrongAxe". Your pagan, dead-worshipping theories are anti-biblical, and yet you self-righteously claim to have the "spirit-filled truth". This (the dead are really alive) paradigm is contradicted many times in scripture and is illogical at best. e.g.: Why should Christ go to prepare a place for us and come back to get us if we are already with Him? Why does He need our old, rotten bodies? Couldn't He just make new ones in heaven? Why is King David not ascended to heaven? Answers please!


---jerry6593 on 1/30/12


MarkV: Herein lies the problem,Jesus does not call the "bodies" Read the text: The "DEAD" not dead bodies will rise again!
Nowhere does it say "resurrection of the body" This is assumed by fundamentalists who insists that some how there's a reunion of body and soul!
(not scriptural)
The "dead" are raised in new bodies.the old one has long since disappeared!
The physical body knows nothing,thinking is intangible, a product of the brain.memory, speech,recognition,belief,personality etc.is what a human soul is!
This is what is resurrected (brought back to life)and receives a new body!
---1st_cliff on 1/29/12


Mark V, Question for you,
If we changed Jn.3.16 to "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son's body..."
Would that be more accurate to your line of thinking?
The message I get from you is, He didn't die on the cross but went wandering around the universe 'till sunday morning, slipped back into His body and came out of the tomb ,pretending that He just became alive again!
Is that how you see it?
What part of this scenario is wrong?
---1st_cliff on 1/29/12


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1Cliff, I do have spiritual insight, don't you? In (John 3:16) Jesus is speaking about perishing (eternal death) and (eternal life). "Parish" it the word (apollumi) which has many meanings. In ( John 3:15,16) it means eternal.
You said, "Eccl, 9.5 says the dead know nothing"
The physical body which is dead knows nothing. If he is born of the Spirit, his spirit lives forever.
You said,
"Jesus said the dead will arise when HE CALLS THEM
You say no no, they are already in heaven or in the fire"
I never said no. When Jesus calls the physical bodies to rise they will rise. Their spirits are already waiting for the resurrected body either prepared for heaven or hell.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/12


Mark V, I sit and wonder about the density of your perception!
** Our bodies will die but we **paraphrase-live forever never sleep etc..
Pagans have always believed that, just ask a Muslim, Hindu,or any other religionist.
Jn.3.16 says life or perish ,you say no no it's life in any case. John's got it all wrong!
Eccl, 9.5 says the dead know nothing,
You say no no Solomon had it all wrong, the dead see , hear feel etc!
Jesus said the dead will arise when HE CALLS THEM
You say no no, they are already in heaven or in the fire!
You have spiritual insight??
---1st_cliff on 1/28/12


Jerry, I have answered you many times always thinking you were born of the Spirit. In the process I heard you accuse others of not following the law, but as I read your answers, and we kept telling you we are under the spirit of the law, and you keep arguing against the spiritual law, and now I know why, you have no clue what born of the Spirit really means. Our salvation is spiritual, our connection with Christ is spiritual. We worship God in Spirit and truth. We enjoy now this spiritual life that will never die. It is forever. It does not die, goes to sleep are is ever taken away from us. Our bodies will die, but spiritually we are alive with Christ forever. I suppose you have never believed that. You have no clue what God is talking about.
---Mark_V. on 1/28/12


Fenrisulfur/Mark, Gen.6.4 reads "When the sons of God went to the daughters of me and had children by them" THEY were the heroes of old, men of renown! Who? the children the offspring! NIV
KJV says "they bare children to them, THE SAME (children) "became" mighty men..!
The bible interprets itself, especially if you claim to have "spiritual vision"!
---1st_cliff on 1/28/12


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MarkAxe: The Bible does not describe the state of the dead as awake, alive and listening. It describes it as asleep, unconscious and unaware of surroundings. When God spoke matter and creatures into existence, He did not rely their ability to hear His voice. It is His voice that carries the creative power - not the hearing of the recipient.


---jerry6593 on 1/27/12


1Cliff, I agree with what Fenrisulfr said. They were already in the earth when the mighty men and men of renown were born. The "fallen ones" Giants which refers to (nephilim) from the root meaning "to fall"
I said,
" If they were men possessed by angels, the creation would come from the man and not the angel."
Angels cannot procreate.
The best answer of the three that are out there is that the "sons of God" were angels, but the other two answers are possible. That they were the "sons of Seth" who cohabited with the daughters of Cain. Others suggest they were perhaps human kings wanting to build Harems. The most logical one is that they were fallen angels who indwell men.
---Mark_V. on 1/27/12


Fenrisulfr, The word "afterward" changes the whole story?
How dogmatic can we be here?
There's no evidence of a written language 'till 3500BCE, all information was handed down orally!
Afterward could have other meanings, after the angels left heaven, after they married, or just misplaced in the text.
Why? because it makes sense that the Hybrids of this unnatural union would produce giants!
Drowning them was a way to rid the earth of this evil!
Seems that there is no other explanation for the giants being there at that time!
---1st_cliff on 1/27/12


1st cliff: Youre not reading Genesis 6:4, carefully. "There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." The Giants could in no way be the offspring of the Sons of God and the Daughters of Men because they already existed on the Earth BEFORE those matings took place. The actual hybrid children were the race of Heroes. Greek mythology has a lingering memory of this. But the mis-identification of giants with the mighty men comes down to us from Jewish fables [which Titus 1:14 warns us not to heed].
---Fenrisulfr on 1/26/12


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Mark V, Gen says that the "Sons of God " desired the women!
Human men have always "desired women"
It is alleged that Moses wrote Gen. and also wrote Job where it says the "Sons of God came to present themselves..." (KJV) Job 1.6.
Niv calls them "angels"
Angels have often appeared as men (materializing in human bodies)
Nephilim (fellers)were the hybrid offspring of this union giants who obviously drowned in the flood !
---1st_cliff on 1/26/12


jerry6593:

Jesus said anyone with the faith of a mustard seed could command a mountain to move from one place to another. This is not dependant on the mountain's having ears, and being able to hear the command, and then choosing to obey it. Similarly, Lazarus did not need to possess functioning ears or brain to be compelled to rise. When God said "Let there be light" (literally "let light be"), the light didn't need ears in order to obey and come into existence either.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/12


Jim, the passages in (Gen. 6:1,2) does not say they were angels. Angels cannot procreate. If they were man possessed by angels, the creation would come from the man and not the angel. If an angel manifest himself as a human, he cannot procreate, because it is only a manifestation. Not reality. I know there is three conclusions that can be understood and that angels are the most likely, but no proof is clearly given. One has to pick one or the other.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/12


MarkV//Where is that passage found? angels that married women?//

Look at Gen.6:1-2
---JIM on 1/25/12


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Cliff: No, I don't mind at all. But.... I don't believe that "angels left their position in heaven to marry human women" can be proven from the Bible. Jesus declared that angels do not marry. I believe that your take on the "days of Noah" is from the "sons of God" marrying the "daughters of men", and that these scriptures rather refer to the sons of Seth (godly men) marrying the daughters of Cain (daughters of worldly men). This view by God is echoed in his displeasure with the Israelites intermarrying with Cannanites, and even Paul's admonition to "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers".


---jerry6593 on 1/25/12


1Cliff, I really don't get you, you argue against Scripture and then you quote Scripture passages to your defense. You don't believe in the Word of God, and use it to argue.
No body is going to convince you of anything. You know that already. Why do you answer? You also said:
"Peter says it was in the days of Noah when the Angels left their position in heaven to marry human women,"
Where is that passage found? angels that married women? You must be reading the book of Enoch.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/12


Jerry, I hope you don't mind me answering for you (unless you differ).
Peter says it was in the days of Noah when the Angels left their position in heaven to marry human women , They were put in Tartarus , dense dark prison if you will.
They cannot return to heaven so they roam the earth and will eventually be exterminated in Gehenna!
---1st_cliff on 1/24/12


Sounds to me like you're the one splitting the hair, 1stCliff.

jerry, who are the "spirits in prison" to whom St. Peter refers in one of his letters?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/12


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Cluny: Where do you think Lazarus was when Jesus spoke him alive? Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? Or was he an omnipresent spook? Do spooks have ears to hear?


---jerry6593 on 1/24/12


NO Cluny, The dead do not hear!
When Jesus calls them ,they come alive, see? no longer dead , that's when they hear not while they are dead!
Split that hair!
---1st_cliff on 1/23/12


\\\A person is DEAD until Jesus calls him at which time life returns to him so that he hears!Not a second before!\\\

Like I said, you are claiming that the dead can hear Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/23/12


Cluny: So you think that Lazarus was alive and conscious? Then why did Jesus say that he was both dead and asleep? Where do you think he was when Jesus spoke him alive? Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? Or was he an omnipresent spook?



---jerry6593 on 1/23/12


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Cluny, How fine can you split a hair???
A person is DEAD until Jesus calls him at which time life returns to him so that he hears!Not a second before!
Jesus calls dead people "the dead" (never dead bodies)
It's the "dead" that are raised, not the dead bodies, get it straight!
Nowhere in scripture does it say "resurrection of the body"!
The body has long since disintegrated,evaporated,decayed, eaten etc.
The dead "person" is brought back to life whether they died at sea ,cremated, or just rotted away!
Brand new body wll be supplied!
I sure don't want this cancer body!
---1st_cliff on 1/22/12


\\They "hear" only at the moment of the "command" not before,in order to respond!\\

So you admit that even though someone is dead, he can still hear from Jesus.

Do I understand you right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/12


Cluny , **How could they do so if there were no consciousness that survives death?**
They "hear" only at the moment of the "command" not before,in order to respond!
Don't try to perpetuate the lie that the dead are not dead,this is what the serpent told Eve!
---1st_cliff on 1/21/12


**"\\\\Instead, he commanded Lazarus which he had made, and Lazarus was dead, to rise again.\\\\"**

These are not my words. I never said them. I was quoting Eloy, and showing how he contradicted himself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/12


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Jesus did not talk with the dead carcass of Lazarus, nor does he have conversations with corpses. Instead Jesus commanded life to come and re-enter into the dead body of Lazaraus that he made, then he commanded him to stand before him, "Lazarus, Here present."
---Eloy on 1/21/12


Cluny, that was a terrible arguement you put down about speaking to the dead. In order to argue your point about speaking to dead people you gave'
"\\\\Instead, he commanded Lazarus which he had made, and Lazarus was dead, to rise again.\\\\"
Do you not see your mistake? Did Lazarus rise dead and walked out? He was made alive first Cluny, and he heard what Jesus said because he was alive. While dead he could not move, hear, eat, smell, or have faith. He was dead. He had to be made alive. God is the giver of life. Man cannot wake up someone to speak to him. pretty rediculous argument.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/12


\\Please stick to the required language of this blog and stop bragging about your understanding of Greek, Latin, Persian, etc.\\

You big silly! I never said I knew Persian (properly called Farsee).

Why did you say an untruth about me?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/12


Anna: There is nothing wrong with asking our Lord to tell your loved one you miss them. I have done that in the early days of grieving my brothers' deaths. It gave me great comfort to know they are with Him, and that they are rejoicing in His presence. There came a time when I no longer needed to pray that way. God heals the broken-hearted.
---Trish on 1/20/12


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\\Talking to the dead is like talking to a stone wall, they are not able to hear you, why? because they are dead.\\

\\\\Instead, he commanded Lazarus which he had made, and Lazarus was dead, to rise again.\\\\

Did anyone but me notice how the poster contradicted himself?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/12


\\Instead, he commanded Lazarus which he had made, and Lazarus was dead, to rise again.\\

In other words, Jesus spoke to Lazarus.

Reproaches merely bless me. Keep them up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/12


Cluny, you may claim that you know Greek and what not foreign language you have. But simple English you cannot even understand and interpret, how are we to be convince about what you say is truth or even correct? Please stick to the required language of this blog and stop bragging about your understanding of Greek, Latin, Persian, etc.

Even God was gracious to give us the English versions of the written Word for a reason. Jesus declared, "Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come."

It's not you or I that will teach the Christian but the Holy Spirit.
---christan on 1/20/12


Talking to the dead is like talking to a stone wall, they are not able to hear you, why? because they are dead. Praying to the dead is sin. The living are to pray to Jesus about the living, not about the dead, because your prayers cannot help those that are not living anymore on the earth, for their life is finished and they cannot hear you anymore. Your deceased loved one knew that you loved him in life, so why would you feel any need to tell his departed soul that what he already knows? Or did you not tell him when he was alive with you that you loved him?
---Eloy on 1/20/12


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Anna, Jesus does not take messages from us and give them to the dead. He did not say to dead Lazarus, Lazarus you sister and Mary told me to tell you that they miss you and they love you. No, not at all. Instead, he commanded Lazarus which he had made, and Lazarus was dead, to rise again. NonChristian religions and idolaters have ancestor worship, which is foolishness and sin, and they also try to talk to the dead: but Christians talk to the living with one another, and with Jesus.
---Eloy on 1/20/12


\\ But rest assured, your prayers will never be heard by God and it's not going to change the destination of the dead or improve their situation one iota.\\

This is one more example of how you confuse yourself with the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/12


1st Cliff, That's right, he commanded life to come back into the dead Lazarus, because Christ is the Resurrection and the Life: just like he said when he entered into Jerusalem, if the people would not have praised him, then the very nonliving stones would cry out to Jesus! Lk.19:40.
---Eloy on 1/20/12


Cluny: So you think that Lazarus was alive and conscious? Then why did Jesus say that he was both dead and asleep? Where do you think he was when Jesus spoke him alive? Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? Or was he an omnipresent spook?


---jerry6593 on 1/20/12


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\\Cluny, Jesus was not "talking" to Lazarus ,He commanded the resurrection of him! \\

If Jesus was not addressing Lazarus, why does the Gospel use the VOCATIVE form (Lazare) in John 11:43 and not the nominative form (Lazaros)?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/12


The Greek verb in John 11 is the second person (not third person) imperative.

\\When Christ commands that "the sea give up the dead"...\\

He would not be talking to the dead, but to the sea.

\\When God said "let there be light" was He talking to the light??? Really!
---1st_cliff on 1/19/12\\

Why would He not be? The Bible says that God commands things that do not exist as if they did. In any case, this (in Greek LXX) is a third person imperative verb, a form that does not exist in English.

And at the General Resurrection, ALL that are in their graves shall hear God's voice. How could they do so if there were no consciousness that survives death?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/12


"Are you claiming to be the Holy Spirit, christan, with your deciding who is Christian and who is not?"

Cluny, how on earth do you jump into this from reading what I said in "The wonderful works of the Holy Spirit is amazing, only He can weed out the wheat from the tares."????

Not only are you "spiritually undiscerning, meaning blind" you are also "physically blind" or obviously not understanding what I've just said! Goodness gracious!

And if you want to go pray to the dead and for the dead, go right ahead. But rest assured, your prayers will never be heard by God and it's not going to change the destination of the dead or improve their situation one iota.
---christan on 1/19/12


Cluny, Jesus was not "talking" to Lazarus ,He commanded the resurrection of him! (don't you think that's stretching it just a tad?)
Eccl 9.5 the dead know nothing, means they don't hear either!
When Christ commands that "the sea give up the dead" it can no way be construed that He is "talking" to them!
When God said "let there be light" was He talking to the light??? Really!
---1st_cliff on 1/19/12


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\\And you are not able to send any words to dead people, even through God.\\

Eloy, can youm tell us to whom Jesus addressed the word, "Lazarus, come forth," if no words can be sent to the dead? John 11:43.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/12


\\The wonderful works of the Holy Spirit is amazing, only He can weed out the wheat from the tares.
---christan on 1/18/12\\

Are you claiming to be the Holy Spirit, christan, with your deciding who is Christian and who is not?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/12


It is not disrespectful. God gave him to you but it will not satisfy you. Let Jesus be that void.
---Scott1 on 1/19/12


\\One such account of this practice was cited in 1 Samuel 28 and it ended in terrible way for King Saul\\

Wrong, again.

Saul was trying to summon up Samuel. He was not praying for the repose of his soul, nor was he asking for his intercessions. Try again.

Re indulgences: I don't know why you bring up pre-Tridentine RC practices when I'm Eastern Orthodox. Have you grasped the difference yet? Can you?

In any case, the nearest thing today to buying indulgences is mass stipends, which are part of a parish priest's support. The average stipend in the US is $10, and here are only some 200 days when a priest can celebrate Mass and receive a stipend. Lots of $ there, right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/12


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No. Jesus is God of the living, not of the dead. And you are not able to send any words to dead people, even through God. What you can do though is to be thankful for the memories and the times that you shared together with him when he was alive with you. And you can pray to Jesus to help heal you from your grief and your loss. The guy is no longer with you but has gone to the other side, and you must live out your life in the land of the living and live it to please God, and one day you too will leave this earthen life and go on to the other side also.
---Eloy on 1/19/12


"Please give the exact book, chapter, and verse where the Bible forbids praying for the dead." cluny

One such account of this practice was cited in 1 Samuel 28 and it ended in terrible way for King Saul. Go read the account.

Praying to the dead has been perfected by the Vatican in the form of indulgences and I'm sure you know what that means. $$$$$$$$$$! Only pagans are known to such evil practice and needless to say, you have given prove that you are such a person who falsely claim to be a Christian but is so deeply rooted in paganism.

The wonderful works of the Holy Spirit is amazing, only He can weed out the wheat from the tares.
---christan on 1/18/12


\\Cluny...Book, chapter, and verse where it says that Jesus prayed for/to the dead.
---KarenD on 1/18/12\\

As I said, Karen, it's a matter of historical record that the Jews prayed for the dead for some centuries before the time of Our Lord's earthly sojourn.

Show where He condemned the practice in the Bible, or where He did not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/12


Cluny...Book, chapter, and verse where it says that Jesus prayed for/to the dead.
---KarenD on 1/18/12


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To answer your original question, Anna, no, it is not.

Jesus already knows how dear your departed loved ones are to you. Why would it be disrepectful to tell Him what He already knows?

C. S. Lewis said on this same issue something like this: "Of course I pray for the dead. At my time of life, most of the people I knew have died. To say I cannot talk to God about them would put a severe limit on my conversation with Him."

The Bible says, "Love is as strong as death." And the Resurrection of Christ proves that Love is STRONGER than death.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/12


Hi, I would like to say that the god already knows the thing which we are planning to ask from him. We sometimes think that is this wrong or right for asking god. But god knows the right time to give us so he waits till the time comes and then he showers his blessings on us. So it is not wrong to ask god all this things.
---James on 1/18/12


\\Anna, for a Christian, praying for the dead and to the dead is a definite no, no. Especially when you're praying to Jesus about them. Scripture does not teach the Christian to pray for or to the dead, period.\\

Please give the exact book, chapter, and verse where the Bible forbids praying for the dead.

Prayers for the dead were standard in both the Temple and synagogues. Jesus not only never condemned the practice, but even participated in their services--and led those in the synagogue.

Prayers for the departed were always standard in the Pre-reformation churches and were not dropped until the radical reformers did so in the MID 16th century.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 1/18/12


Anna isn't praying to the dead, please re-read her post again.

Is it okay ......to ASK JESUS TO LET MY DECEASED LOVED ONE KNOW I MISS HIM.......

Jesus is alive and well and hears Anna's prayers and Anna, YES it's okay to ask Jesus to let him know. As long as you're not speaking to the dead directly, Jesus is near to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. (((huggss))))
---anon on 1/18/12


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If they are in heaven, I dont see it being bad. I have heard of Christians asking God to pass a "love you, thinking of you, miss you." Youre not asking God to bring them back, or save them, I wouldn't make a religion out of it, but I wouldn't throw a stone at you either. God knows how to answer our prayers in His own special way, He is tender, gentle and morns with those who morn. I didnt say that I know that God is passing the message on, but I believe that He hears your prayers and feels your grief. Is it absurd to think that Abraham never whispered an I miss you Sarah, As he mourned for her?
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 1/18/12


Anna, Sorry but this may seem a little blunt..your loved one is dead and can't communicate with any one 'till he is resurrected.
RIP on the tombstone means rest in peace and that's exactly what's happening. Resting (sleeping) until the day when Jesus calls him from the grave!
---1st_cliff on 1/18/12


Anna, for a Christian, praying for the dead and to the dead is a definite no, no. Especially when you're praying to Jesus about them. Scripture does not teach the Christian to pray for or to the dead, period.

I feel for you as I've just lost my wife to leukemia and I miss her very much. She too was a Christian, so I know she's with Christ in Paradise, well taken care and in eternal bliss with the Lord. According to Scripture, she will have no memory of this life she had before and that's because "God will wipe away all tears from their eyes."

As Christians, we have Holy Spirit that we may pray to Christ to give us strength and courage to go on till He comes for us. We're never left alone by Him.
---christan on 1/18/12


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