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Faith Moves Mountains

How to have faith that can move mountain? What waiting for the Lord entails for a Christian? In the healing miracle does faith come from the healer or the healed?

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MarkV, I maintain what I said. Your argument doesn't hold even a drop of water in light of your previous arguments.
---blogger8980 on 5/24/12


"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men" does not mean that every single individual in all the world has received it ---MarkV

No - but it does mean every individual has the capacity to understand it and therefore the ability to respond to it either in belief or unbelief.

Gods now commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30) and is working thru us (just as He did thru Paul) to warn every man to present every man perfect in Jesus Christ (Col 1:28,29)
---CraigA on 5/25/12


MarkV> "Jonwecki, my reasoning is from the Word of God. You have a problem with His Word. You need to know who He is."

I beg to disagree. Your reasoning is not from the word of God, it is from YOUR OWN interpretation of the Word of God. So much so, that you replied with a lot of words but did not even answer the question i asked.

Also, this has quite intrigued me for a long time (and i mean this honestly). Can you cite me a verse in the bible that actually says "God is everywhere"?
---jonweckl on 5/25/12


Blogger89, you said,
"MarkV, I can hardly believe you answered with an I don't know"
First, if I knew everything that God was doing, I too would be God. So no. I am not God and don't claim ever to be. What I do know is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Ruben, you said,
"But if you are already chosen what difference does it make? Unless of course you can fall back!"

Ruben, just because you are chosen, does not mean you are there yet. It only means that God chose you from the foundation of the world to one day, after you are born, to be saved. All of the elect are born in sin like everyone else. They need to go through the process and they will. None will be lost.
---Mark_V. on 5/25/12


Titus 2:11, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men" means every single individual in the world has received the salvation message, but most have not believed.

Rom 3:3 unbelief
Rom 4:20 unbelief,
Rom 11:20 unbelief
Rom 11:23 unbelief,
Rom 11:30 unbelief:
---michael_e on 5/25/12




MarkV, I didn't say all men have "received" the grace of God. I quoted the Scripture itself. It says the grace of God has APPEARED to all men. "Appearing" and "reception" are two different words with two different definitions. If the Scripture says His grace has appeared to all men, then it has appeared to all men. That requires no fancy interpretation nor does it mean all men have received it when it appeared. As for the "men" argument, that is irrelevant because Scripture refers to "man"kind as every gender, race, and age. It is obvious that the more you feel you have to prove your belief, the more you have to redefine every word in a Scripture to fit that belief. That is serpentine.
---blogger8980 on 5/25/12


Blogger89, we know that Scripture does not contradict, so the passage in (Titus 2:11,
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men" does not mean that every single individual in all the world has received it.
Objection:
1. If true everyone in the world would be saved. And we know they are not.
2. Myriads have lived and died and have never heard of Christ, let alone heard and rejected the gospel.
3. If it is taken literally as written, then the grace of God only appeared to males and not females which is not true either.
What it does mean in the context is clear, male and female, old or young, rich or poor: because all are guilty before God, and from them all God gathers His people.
---Mark_V. on 5/24/12


"How do you know if God call those who never heard of Christ?"

MarkV, I can hardly believe you answered with an I don't know. If God can sovereingly save someone apart from their will, then surely He has the ability to get the message of Christ to them, even if He has to use supernatural means like with Philip and the eunuch. Oh yeah. You don't believe in stuff like that. Guess they are all doomed in your mind since faith comes by hearing to begin with. No hearing, no faith. No faith, no salvation.
---blogger8980 on 5/24/12


Mark V * Ruben, you ask,
"Why would he need to tell them the details,"
How do you know what's right or wrong unless you are told by God through His Word? The same for those who were been told.

But if you are already chosen what difference does it make? Unless of course you can fall back!

Mark V *
And why do people go to hell? because they have sinned against God and need the atonement of Christ to pay for their sins.

Again if he choose the elect and not others, they had no chose according to your believes. They were condem from the get go!
---Ruben on 5/24/12


Jonwecki, my reasoning is from the Word of God. You have a problem with His Word. You need to know who He is.
1. He is Omnipotent in that He controls all things, He has all power.
2. He is Omniscient, in that He knows all things. He never learns anything. He never gains knowledge.
3. He is Omnipresent, in that He is everywhere. There is no place where He is not.
To the saints in Ephesus and faithful in Christ Jesus:
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world....having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself...." (Eph. 1:1-5
---Mark_V. on 5/24/12




"If faith can move mountains, imagine what love can do! Paul said that love is greater than faith.
---Jed on 5/23/12"

I like this Jed.
God IS love, and love conquers all, so???
---chria9396 on 5/24/12


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared unto every man. God has revealed Himself through the conscience and the creation. For the invisible things of Him are CLEARLY seen. No man has lived and/or died without that revelation, no matter how much some of the living ones deny it. Every man is responsible for the revelation given to him, even if it is as basic as the sense of goodness itself. Even an atheist will tout his morals to a believer who doesn't behave as good as he does.
---blogger8980 on 5/24/12


MarkV> "When God calls an individual, He draws them to Himself, only to those who were chosen from the foundation of the world will respond"

If we follow your reasoning, then if God had already chosen them even before they were even born, and for that matter, even before Adam was created, why would He need to CALL on them. And again, why would God have to command that His words be preached unto all nations when it would not make any difference in terms of who will "respond" or who will be saved or not?

Isn't God a God of justice? If you have been condemned to Hell (i.e. you are not one of those chosen from the foundation of the world, as you said) even before you were even born....where is justice in that?
---jonweckl on 5/24/12


Ruben, you ask,
"Why would he need to tell them the details,"
How do you know what's right or wrong unless you are told by God through His Word? The same for those who were been told.
You then said:
"How do you know if God call those who never heard of Christ?"
I don't know, I am not God. What I know is, that there is only one way into heaven, through Christ Jesus. There is no other way given in Scripture. And why do people go to hell? because they have sinned against God and need the atonement of Christ to pay for their sins.

Jesus said to him, I am the way, the Truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6). No one.
---Mark_V. on 5/24/12


Ruben, the gospel goes out to all mankind, meaning to every nation, not to every individual for many who have already died never heard of Christ and many today have never heard of Him.
When God calls an individual, He draws them to Himself, only to those who were chosen from the foundation of the world will respond. Those only will hear the voice of the Lord. The Spirit will have quickened their hearts already and brought them to spiritual life.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12

Mark,

How do you know if God call those who never heard of Christ?

Second if those who never heard of him who already died, which way do they go Heaven or Hell? And if Hell why??, it was not thier fault to not knowing about him!
---Ruben on 5/23/12


If faith can move mountains, imagine what love can do! Paul said that love is greater than faith.
---Jed on 5/23/12


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Ruben,
Have faith and courage! Be patient. MarkV has no understanding of basic scripture. Like how God saves people. Or How the Holy Spirit indwells someone. He doesn't even know when this happens.

He is too wrapped up in his thought on predestination to get past very simple words from Christ himself. Like the fact that he said he died for the sins of the world.
MarkV does not believe this.
---ginger on 5/22/12


Ruben, concerning (1 Cor. 6:9-10). is talking about believers having a matter against another believer (v. 1,2) and so says in (v. 9) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?" Chapter six is concerning believers "going to law" (like a lawsuit against each other) "before the unrighteous" when trouble arises between them. He reminds them that the unrighteous are not like them, and gives the details as to who the unrighteous are. He even tells them that at one time they too were like the unrighteous, Mark_V. on 5/22/12

Mark,

Why would he need to tell them the details, Paul is warning them v 9 "Do not be deceived," and warns them again in v15-18- Why?
---Ruben on 5/22/12


Ruben, the gospel goes out to all mankind, meaning to every nation, not to every individual for many who have already died never heard of Christ and many today have never heard of Him.
When God calls an individual, He draws them to Himself, only to those who were chosen from the foundation of the world will respond. Those only will hear the voice of the Lord. The Spirit will have quickened their hearts already and brought them to spiritual life. They will hear the Truth, God's Words, faith will come, they will believe by faith, they will be convicted of sin, and they will repent with their mouths.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


Ruben, concerning (1 Cor. 6:9-10). is talking about believers having a matter against another believer (v. 1,2) and so says in (v. 9) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?" Chapter six is concerning believers "going to law" (like a lawsuit against each other) "before the unrighteous" when trouble arises between them. He reminds them that the unrighteous are not like them, and gives the details as to who the unrighteous are. He even tells them that at one time they too were like the unrighteous,
"And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God"
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


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Mark_V.* Ruben,
" " these He also glorified" (Rom. 8:30)."
Listen, Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty (v.18,21: 2 Tim. 2:10).

And the future has not came, which is my point, predestination to glory!

Mark V* The calling of the gospel goes out to all mankind, only those who were predestined from the foundation of the world will be saved.

Only those who endure to the end will be saved as Jesus tells us.


Mark_V* In life they are justfied, the same ones called who were predestined will also be glorified at the resurrection.

And Paul still felt to let them about falling away:


1 Cor 6:9-10 -Why?
---Ruben on 5/21/12


Amen ginger, what is hard is to give thanks when things are not going good. We can always give thanks when things are going great, but when things are bad, it seems to many it's hard to say thank you Lord. But really, that is the time when we should give thanks believing He is there for us in the most trouble time in our lives, like when we loss a love one. Instead of complaining, we should give thanks to God He put that person in our lives, to bring such love for us. Believing He will take care of them in heaven, and one day us too. I hope that things get better with you and your search for a job. So many are struggling right now.
---Mark_V. on 5/19/12


Amen MarkV.
Every one's mountain is different. You know I have stuggled with finding and keeping a job. But holding fast to God and his promise to keep us, Hre opened the door for me and gave me favor for always putting him first.
God will always go before us when he is first in our lives. And it always on his time and never ours.
If we hold to that faith, he will move the mountain!
---ginger on 5/18/12


Ruben, here is the passage again, read it slowly,
" "Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called, whom He called, these He also justified, and whom He justified, these He also glorified" (Rom. 8:30)."
Listen, "Whom He predestined, these very people are called. And this very same individuals who are predestined were justified, these same people He also glorifies. Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty (v.18,21: 2 Tim. 2:10). The calling of the gospel goes out to all mankind, only those who were predestined from the foundation of the world will be saved. In life they are justfied, the same ones called who were predestined will also be glorified at the resurrection.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


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ginger, I agree also with your answer to Jed. God is able to deliver us from any mountain in our life which stands before us. A mountain can refer to so many things. Our trails with our spouses, children, jobs, friends, church members etc. We could also call them rocks on the road. Trey is correct also.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


I believe Ginger is correct. That is my understanding as well. God is able to deliver us from the fire, and he is able to deliver us when we are in the fire, and is able to bring us through the fire. Hebrews 11 is full of miraculous accounts. I believe these were people just like us.God, through the faith he gave them moved their mountains.

Our God is an awesome God! (BTW, I love that song.)

Lord bless each of you in your studies. Let us keep an open mind and do all things in Christian love.
---trey on 5/17/12


Ruben, you did it brother.
I was getting ready to ask MarkV "predestined" to what?
BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST.
This only happens after one is saved.
So, what happened to predestined to be chosen to be in Christ?
It just is not there.
Ruben you are the man who stands for THE MAN! Christ!
Amen brother!
---ginger on 5/17/12


For crying out loud MarkV, can you cut it out already with that predestination junk! It's really getting old. Every subject that comes up on these blogs you have to try to make it about this. This is a CHRISTIAN website, not whatever it is your teaching. No one else here seems to agree with you. Christians believe the BIBLE.
---Jed on 5/17/12


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They are first predestined, then they are called, then they are justified, then they are glorified.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/12

Why would Paul tell the Christians who have been washed and justified and sanctified v 11 the need or necessary to warn them, in 1 Cor 6:9-10 "
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" Why would he warn them if they were in no danger at all?
---Ruben on 5/17/12


Mark_V* " and whom He justified, these He also glorified" (Rom. 8:30).
God does not miss one of them. The reason we are all still here is because many have not been called yet.


Paul writes in v 29 "predestined to be conformed to the image of his son ", When will that happen? Paul tell us in 1 Cor 15:49 "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly" and when you look at 1 Jhn 3:2 says "but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." So when our resurrection and the time of Jesus appears then we enter the glories of Heaven, St Paul is talking about in v30 is predestination to glory!
---Ruben on 5/17/12


The reason we are all still here is because many have not been called yet.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/12

Mark,

Jesus has already call for all, in Jhn 3:16 and at the cross. Jesus also said 'Many have been call, but few are chosen' and the ones that chosen are those 'who endure till the end'.
---Ruben on 5/17/12


Ruben from Texas, I see you had something to say and here it is,

"Besides according to you some of them were chosen and some were not, it does not matter if they heard about God nor scriptures, there nothing they can do about it!"

Let me clear the air Ruben. According to Scripture God has a chosen group of people who will come to Christ. "Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called, whom He called, these He also justified, and whom He justified, these He also glorified" (Rom. 8:30).
They are first predestined, then they are called, then they are justified, then they are glorified. God does not miss one of them. The reason we are all still here is because many have not been called yet.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/12


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Jed, I believe that scripture is actually a metaphor.
The mountain can be anything.
You know the saying "make a mountain out of a mole hill"?
It is in that sense.
The mountain can be anything depending on the person.
My mountain is different than yours and others are different than ours.
That is why we have testimonies and such of what God does in our lives.
My mountain was finding a job after 2 years! And Because I have faith that God can open the door, God did it. I have a job!!
So faith comes from the "healed". All God asked of me was to have faith in him. He does the miracle but we have to have faith that he will.
---ginger on 5/17/12


Interestingly, no one in human history has ever effectively moved a mountain with faith. What does that tell us? That the faith of a mustard seed is a much larger amount of faith than we assume. Only a few people in the Bible had the kind of faith to actually cause a monumental affect upon the earth. One was Moses, who parted the Red Sea. Another was Elijah, who parted the Jordan and also called fire from heaven. But no one has ever been recorded as having the kind of faith to actually move a mountain. As far as the healing goes, only God can heal people. Not Benny Hinn or anyone else. Not being healed is not a sign of little faith. God's healing often comes in a different form than we expect.
---Jed on 5/16/12


There is people in many countries who never heard about Jesus and many who have died without ever seeing a Bible, so when you post a passage make sure you interpret it correctly, for Scripture does not contradict. "all men" does not mean every single individual. It means all mankind.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/12

Mark,

mankind & #8194, & #8194,/
noun
1. the human race, human beings collectively without reference to sex, humankind.

Besides according to you some of them were chosen and some were not, it does not matter if they heard about God nor scriptures, there nothing they can do about it!
---Ruben on 5/16/12


MarkV, your very question reveals you didn't really read what I said.
---blogger8980 on 5/16/12


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Blogger89, make up you mind. Does the gospel have to be revealed or not in order for someone to understand it? You say I twisted what you said and you said it not I.
Here let me help you. In the world not every single person knows about Christ or have access to the word of God. There is people in many countries who never heard about Jesus and many who have died without ever seeing a Bible, so when you post a passage make sure you interpret it correctly, for Scripture does not contradict. "all men" does not mean every single individual. It means all mankind.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/12


MarkV, the Gospel (good news) is revealed the same way any other good news is revealed....it is spoken (preached). That is why a preacher is sent. I know you cannot be so ignorant that you took what I wrote and twisted it so badly you actually think I supported your doctrine. If anything you only proved how badly you are deceived from the simple and plain method of God's delivery of the plan of salvation. A preacher is sent to bring the good news, a man hears, faith comes, and man can either believe what he heard and confess Jesus as Lord or he can do nothing. Nothing is a default choice of "no". Nothing I said proved your conviction. Your twisting of what I said didn't prove it either.
---blogger8980 on 5/14/12


And if the gospel is not revealed, faith will not come---MarkV

The gospel is revealed to everyone in Gods written word

John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

Col 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus
---Blogger9680 on 5/14/12


Blogger89, you said,

"The righteousness of God revealed in the Gospel preached causes faith to come, period. God does not have to do one more thing to save a man."

So if what you say is true, then the gospel has to come revealed so that faith can come. And if the gospel is not revealed, faith will not come. And if faith comes, it means faith was not there to begin with. You also said, God does not have to do one more thing to save anyone. Pretty good.
Great answer which answers what I have been saying, that God is the initiator of your salvation. So that without God you can do nothing. You see, you did understand.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/12


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Jesus said if He was lifted up from the earth, He would DRAW ALL MEN unto Himself. This He spake signifying the death He would die. Now, either that took place or Jesus lied. Now, if in Adam all die and Jesus drew all who died into Himself, then when He was raised all drawn into Him were raised as well in Christ. This is the finished work of Christ. How does it become activated in the life of anyone? By faith. It is that simple. The righteousness of God revealed in the Gospel preached causes faith to come, period. God does not have to do one more thing to save a man. He wrapped the entirety of His heart for man and His will for man in Christ and His work.
---blogger8980 on 5/12/12


MarkV,
Not sure why you are addressing me here because I didn't have any posts here.

But is is very simple.
When one believes, God comes and makes you alive.

Christ says those who believe, will hear his voice and he will come and make them alive.

WHy do you insist on twisting verses?

One must believe FIRST!
There is no way around that.
---ginger on 5/12/12


Ginger, my answer to your statement,
"And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the Prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath" (Eph. 2:1-3).
God has to make you alive first in order to convert you from the grasp of the devil, to make you a child of God.
"But God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, (believers) even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved"
---Mark_V. on 5/12/12


I absolutely agree that with God all things are POSSIBLE!

I believe God through his Spirit and the blood of Jesus Christ can change any man. But its very scriptural that men must place their faith in the provision that God has made for us, acknowledging to God that we are helpless against our own sinful nature.

A man does not belong to Christ without the Spirit of Christ residing inside of him. He does not have life before coming to Jesus.

(John 20:31)
"These are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name"

When Christ lives within you, THAT is when you are born again!
---LindaH on 5/11/12


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The image of God a man holds in his heart is the image he himself will express. Inconsistent God = inconsistent man. Believers and unbelievers alike who hold a false image of God will express that same false image. Jesus came not into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved. If you are condemning folks, you are as far away from the image of the real Jesus as you think the ones are whom you condemn.
---blogger8980 on 5/11/12


Linda, God does not suffer from anything. It is man who suffer from many personalities. Some because they do not see Scripture through faith. No spiritual guidness. Listen to this logic of Steven:
He asked, "Do you agree that with God all things are possible?" and then gives all these comments to proof a point.
When he believes that God cannot save anyone unless the person lets Him. If he believed all things are possible with God, as he says, then nothing should be able to stop God from saving anyone. After all He is God. That is his logic. And your logic is the same. So who's got duel personality? Most of you guys. If you followed the Truth instead of mixing it with lies, you would understand it is God who saves sinners.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/12


Mark, you make God sound like He suffers from a multiple personality disorder. ---LindaH on 5/10/12

Amen. This explains the inconsistency of his arguments. No man who believes in a God so inconsistent that He cannot clearly communicate His will can make any consistent statement. The very fact that he is here peddling himself as a teacher of truth denies the very foundation of the doctrine he peddles ~ that the elect are saved apart from any will of their own. If one is elect, he needs no one to indoctrinate him or pray for him since it won't make any difference...unless he already believes we are all the elect and we don't know it without his telling us. In that case, thank you for Mark for your vote of confidence.
---blogger8980 on 5/11/12


jonweckl: "Unless of course you believe Steveng, that we can literally / physically move a mountain. If that is so,.."

Do you agree that with God all things are possible? Do you agree what Jesus said that we, as christians, can perform greater miracles that he? Do you agree that when God works through us that nothing is impossible? Are you telling me in your post that you are testing God's power just to prove he can do it? If there is a specific reason for moving a mountain, he will have it done when it is necessary, not to prove he can do it.

All of the miracles written was for a certain reason. It wasn't Jesus who was doing all those miracles, it was his father working through him.
---Steveng on 5/10/12


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Mark, you make God sound like He suffers from a multiple personality disorder.
---LindaH on 5/10/12


So now ones will and desire arent the same thing. Wonderful! And all this time most of humanity has been fooled. Its a good thing you showed up in 2012 to teach us all this, Mark! Whew!

You need to brush up on your English some, Mark. How can you expect to understand the word of God when you dont even have a grasp on the language its written in?
---CraigA on 5/10/12


Blogger89, Scripture needs to be read spiritually. No literal mountains can be moved by man, nor any literal flesh of Jesus can be eaten.
Jonweski is correct on the answer to (Matt. 17:20) that he gave on 5/9/12 concerning faith as a mustered seed, he was not speaking of moving literal mountains.
But his response was wrong about (1 Tim. 2:4) The passage does not say it is the will of God for all to be saved, it says He desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ, just like He desires no one to sin, but they all do. He desires all to be perfect but knows they are not.
The Grk. "desire" is not that which normally expresses God's will of decree (His eternal purpose). But God's desires.
---Mark_V. on 5/10/12


Steveng, apparently you misunderstood my post.

I was reacting to MarkV's statement that "The passage in (Matt. 17:20) is not indicating we can move a mountain." Then he goes on making this interpretation that Christ was just teaching about positive thinking (or something to that effect).

I said that the verse does state that we can move mountains, figuratively speaking.

Unless of course you believe Steveng, that we can literally / physically move a mountain. If that is so, then would you mind going to places where there are volcanoes and removing those volcanoes and place it some place on earth where it wouldn't do much damage to human life and property? You'd be doing humanity a great service i think.
---jonweckl on 5/10/12


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"What I read is the the Rockie Mountains are in the same location, and all others as well. Am I wrong? Please help me, I want to move a mountain too. ---Mark_V. on 5/10/12

Surely being the "elect" you believe yourself to be you know that God is a Spirit and His words are spirit and life. You above statement is is so ignorant it leaves no other option but to believe you are utterly carnal (sense oriented) and can't compare spiritual things with spiritual, like a spiritual man does.
---blogger8980 on 5/10/12


Steven, why don't you tell us how many mountains you have moved? If you have such faith, and you disagree, you should have moved many mountains already. You are teaching from the "Word of Faith" teachers. And if all of you have that kind of faith, thousands of mountains would have been moved to other locations. People moving mountains, really? Do you find that in the internet? Direct me to the website so that I can know how many mountains you guys have moved. What I read is the the Rockie Mountains are in the same location, and all others as well. Am I wrong? Please help me, I want to move a mountain too.
---Mark_V. on 5/10/12


jonweckl and Mark_V. who wrote: "No one said believers could move mountains. That is just silly."

You are surely of little faith.
---Steveng on 5/9/12


In order for the healed to get healed the healer must also have faith.

The women who was diseased for twelve years was healed by her faith for she thought to herself, "If I may only touch his (Jesus') garment, I shall be whole." There was no doubt in her mind that she could be healed unlike what happened to Peter.

If any of you are sick just simply call for the elders of the church and have them pray over you for the prayer of the faithful shall cure the sick.

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing (without doubting), ye shall receive." The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Do an online KJV bible search for the word "prayer".

---Steveng on 5/9/12


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Oh and by the way MarkV, you said "And with God nothing is impossible, if it is His will."

Well, since 1Tim.2:4 says that it is God's will that ALL men be saved, then I guess we will ALL be saved because as you said, nothing is impossible with God if it is His will -- and it is His will that ALL men be saved.

And, since it is also your belief that we have no "part" in the salvation process and it is God's sole discretion who He wants to save, then i guess we will ALL be saved because it is God's will and we can't do anything about it.

That would be the conclusion that we will get if we accept what you're saying as true and align that to what is actually in the bible.
---jonweckl on 5/9/12


MarkV> "The passage in (Matt. 17:20) is not indicating we can move a mountain."

Yes it does. The text is very clear. "...if ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, remove..."

Of course this is figuratively speaking and it is not saying that we will literally be able to move a mountain. Christ was simply telling His disciples that if they only had real faith in them, even if their faith was as small as a mustard seed, they could do great things (move mountains) -- or as in this case, cast out demons.
---jonweckl on 5/9/12


When Jesus healed individuals he commonly said, "Go in peace, your faith has made you whole." And when the woman with the issue of blood pressed through the croud to touch the hem of Jesus' garment, virtue left his body, and he turned around and asked "Who touched?" Showing that it was the woman's faith that touched Jesus and therefore got healed. Many many many were touching Jesus but not receiving such a healing because they were not touching him with faith. But the one whom that presses through and touches the Lord with faith is the one that will receive from the Lord.
---Eloy on 5/9/12


Hello,got to thinking how there have been times I have known 'bout someone get saved who not even a believer so,I have to believe it's the person who pray for them or the lord show forth his omnicient power!??God can do anything when ever or who ever he wills to restore.
---ELENA on 5/8/12


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faith to move challenges the mountain simply represents a challenge

BOTH must have faith

Christ said to those HE healed it is by FAITH you are healed ...it was by those who were sick their own faith in Christ healed them
---Rhonda on 1/23/12


No one said believers could move mountains. That is just silly. And where would you put it after you moved it? on top of another?
God is the One who moves mountains, for nothing is impossible with God. Most everything is impossible for us.
The passage in (Matt. 17:20) is not indicating we can move a mountain. True faith, by Christ definition, always involves surrender to the will of God. What He was teaching here is nothing like positive thinking psychology. He was saying that both the source and the object of all genuine faith-even weak faith, a mustered seed variety-is God. And with God nothing is impossible, if it is His will.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/12


Do you desire the fame of having 'mountainous faith' or to "draw near"?.

The jews never 'reached' any higher than the scriptures.

They didn't care to "draw near" like King David did. King David placed himself INSIDE the body of the promised messiah. David said that the heavenly Father said to "my lord" (JESUS/messiah) "Sit at my right hand" (David was carried to The Father's right hand).

The jews only wanted a Godlike kingdom that they could call their own (...."PEACE", Matthew 10:34), but they did not have 'the redemption', nor did they have a "heart of flesh" (satisfied having TEXT and partisan obedience...a "heart of STONE").
---more_excellent_way on 1/20/12


If you let God's spirit train/teach you instead of TEXT (REACH HIGHER) and "draw near", you will learn to have a heart of flesh and have LIVING water feelings/attitude (like the woman in Luke 7:44, her tears of living water washed Jesus's feet). God's spirit consecrates/baptizes your inner temple to the outer temple (Jesus) with this water so that we "neither thirst" (Rev. 7:16).

God's spirit agrees with the "water" and Jesus's blood (1 John 5:8).

The "anointing" seed (spiritual common sense from God) in us needs only to be discovered/realized (1 John 2:27), but first we must want to "draw near".
---more_excellent_way on 1/20/12


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then, we become part of the same family [from east to west]. not a jew, not a dog...just one from the One. ---aka on 1/20/12
---aka on 1/20/12


My only correction aka, is that we are not "dogs". The Jews succeeded in becoming "sons of the kingdom", but they did not have JESUS available in order that they could become sons of God.

Matthew 8:12 "sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness".

The "sons of the kingdom" received what the messiah brought them but will never receive The Lord's sabbath rest and become "sons of God" (when we choose to have God's spirit within, we have the GUARANTEE).

John 7:39 "for as yet the Spirit had not been given".

Hebrews 3:11 "They shall never enter my rest".

We are NOT "dogs" (James 4:5 "He yearns jealously").
---more_excellent_way on 1/20/12


mo' excellent...was that an amplification of my post or a supposed correction?
---aka on 1/20/12


John 1:14 "the Word became FLESH".

The Lord's body hung on the cross (a FLESH body with bones/blood).

Today, The Lord's "body" is in spirit form and is inhabited SPIRITUALLY by sincere, pure-hearted believers (contrary to what has been taught, insincere believers cannot spiritually exist inside of Jesus, only the genuine spirit-filled). Perfect understanding of scripture is not required. There are no "DOGS" in Him, only SONS OF THE MOST HIGH (sons of God same thing).

Everyone who spiritually lives inside of Jesus's body is a SPIRIT (they have no gender..."neither male nor female", neither do they have ANY earthly classification ("neither JEW nor NON-jew, no "dogs").
---more_excellent_way on 1/20/12


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---more_excellent_way on 1/19/12

i agree with every thing that mo' posted...ellipses and all.

as a linguist, i know that most eastern languages speak in word pictures. you know...a picture paints a thousand words...

come on, "move mountains" is all little better than. "We can remove the immovable obstacles in our lives if we put faith in the Lord...blah blah blah..."

but, as mo' said, "do we have the right to move something already placed by God?

and we are not jews, but we dogs can eat the scraps from His table. Jesus loves strays that hear and obey him. then, we become part of the same family. not a jew, not a dog...just one from the One.
---aka on 1/20/12


"The Lord put every mountain on earth where it's supposed to be (that is 'HIS WILL')" True."If you don't agree with HIS WILL and "pray" in order to change it, then you are being contrary(rebelious) to God." If prayer is in order to change according to ones own will,true. When one seeks Him,HIS WILL, one may find His Will is to move the mt,or not. One is to accept whatever is HIS WILL. YOUR WILL BE DONE LORD,
Whatever is the mt, has a purpose for a time,maybe a brief season, or many seasons. As He works His way in us,some mts may not be necessary so removed.I referred to consequences of actions/sin as mts. Some have changed, some are changing, some may never change in this life. What one thinks of as mts varies
---chria9396 on 1/20/12


The catch is...

....The Lord put every mountain on earth where it's supposed to be (that is 'HIS WILL'). If you don't agree with HIS WILL and "pray" in order to change it, then you are being contrary (rebelious) to God.

Believers "pray" in order to inform God of THEIR WILL instead of making their everyday life their 'prayer offering' to God.

...also, instead of letting GOD be the one to decide when their healing should be complete, they turn to HUMAN "healers" and MAN'S WAYS (because they only have "FAITH" instead of FAITH FOR faith (Romans 1:17).

Many things in scripture were said TO THE JEWS and meant for THE JEWS (we are NOT JEWS).
---more_excellent_way on 1/19/12


Was thinking of faith that can move mts today, in relation to the Mt range of a mess Ive made of things. All I know is to seek Him, His will, submit, like a child. The natural will follow the spiritual, but in whatever way is HIS will. All comes from Him and is to HIS glory.
---chria9396 on 1/19/12


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How to have faith that can move mountain?
Well to me, its like the song by Marcia Griffiths - Electric Boogie
It's Electric!

You can't see it
[It's electric!]
You gotta feel it
[It's electric!]
Ooh, it's shakin'
[It's electric!]

You gotta know it
[It's electric, Boogie woogie, woogie!]
Now you can't hold it
[It's electric, Boogie woogie, woogie!]
But you know it there,
Yeah heaven there everywhere


Check it out for yourselves [It's electric!]
And may God bless you too [It's electric, Boogie woogie, woogie!]
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/19/12


faith can move mountains? let's see...is that the same when you see televangelist live in mansions & drive luxury cars? do they have greater faith bec. they live comfortably or make millions of $$$?
that is NOT faith that is exploitation.
---mike on 1/19/12


Good question.

When the paralytic's friends cut the hole in the roof to get him to Jesus, THEY certainly had faith, didn't they?

We also know from elsewhere that faith is a gift, as well as healing.

The purpose of faith, as well as prayer, is to get us so in tune with God that we can move with Him. It's not so we can get God over a barrel and get Him to do our will.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/12


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