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Accept Jesus To Be Saved

Today, we are told by preachers that one must "accept Jesus Christ" in order to be save. However, such a teaching cannot be found anywhere in the Holy Bible. Isn't this then a lie against the Word?

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Now, I could have decided to wear them anyway, but there was no way I could "decide" that they matched.
---James_L on 1/25/12


No, but after seeing the evidence you could reason that you fall short of matching clothing properly, and have someone who is skilled at that very thing come do it for you.

We have to let Christ take control of our lives and lead us in a new direction by his Spirit. He doesnt force his way in as some would have us believe. He knocks just as He said he does and waits for us to open the door in faith
---JackB on 1/25/12


Because of the foolish dissers on this blog, I am going to redeem the time by going on to other blogs to minister Christ.
---Eloy on 1/25/12


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Mat_3:16 , Mar_1:10, Luk_3:22, Joh_1:32

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself!
---TheSeg on 1/25/12


Today, we are told by preachers that one must "accept Jesus Christ" in order to be save. However, such a teaching cannot be found anywhere in the Holy Bible. Isn't this then a lie against the Word?
---christan on 1/20/12
Job 13:7 Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?

Job 13:8 Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
---francis on 1/25/12


"What then is the alternative, reject jesus and be saved?" francis

Now, you're being foolish. We are more privileged than those of the OT as we have the complete will of God graciously revealed to us. We now know that He has chosen before the foundations of the world and given these to Jesus Christ.

Unbelievers and scholars will read the Bible and tell you this is so. But they'll tell you they do not believe there's a God with such a plan, that's because they lack that free gift from God - FAITH. If this plan of God does not cut one to the heart with the fear of the Lord - then one's lacking that free gift.

Goodness sake, Job 13:8 does not refer to salvation just because the word "accept" appears.
---christan on 1/25/12




Char, Mark,
"It is written in the Prophets: They will all be taught by God. Everyone who has heard the Father AND learned from him comes to me. " Yes.
what comes to mind is Matt 13:13-14 "Though seeing, they do not see,
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
You will be ever hearing but never understanding,
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."
---chria9396 on 1/25/12


Ez 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: [the soul that sinneth, it shall die].
it shall die because [the soul that sinneth]
Not all are [chosen-elect]
[O]thers were not created for the [sole purpose] of perishing.
God states there is a firstfruit-my understanding to this is that there will be others. This does not mean others were created for the [sole purpose of perishing].
First-fruit is referencing the election at which some are in slumber Rom 11:2 -meaning [more fruit]
Repentance brings remission- resurrection conquered death---period.
Offered to All--All souls are His.He uses- whomever- However-He chosen to fulfill- Salvation Plan.
Is 45:23, Rom 14:11
---char on 1/25/12


being saved is all in the new testiment. same as being born again. Ye must be born again to be saved. Nicodemus was told that.
---shira4368 on 1/25/12


Today, we are told by preachers that one must "accept Jesus Christ" in order to be save. However, such a teaching cannot be found anywhere in the Holy Bible. Isn't this then a lie against the Word?
---christan on 1/20/12

What then is the alternative, reject jesus and be saved?

Job 13:8 Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?



---francis on 1/25/12


There is only one Comforter, one Savior, One Lord, One Master, One mediator-One Truth, one true teacher-- One God.
To Him be the Glory, He is without beginning or End, He is the Beginning and End of All things.
He is Timeless and not subject to it, but uses it for His Purpose- Plan of Salvation-through His Word in Flesh, He Son-Y'sha.
His Word that is Annoint-Christ.
Heb11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


One God-different dimension.
Yehovah's Word In flesh--Y'shua Jn1:1-15

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---char on 1/25/12




"Sinners should look into the mirror before speaking to a saint, in doing so this would prevent the added condemnation upon their life." Eloy

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and His word is not in us." 1 John 1:8-10

"And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see, therefore your sin remaineth." John 9:40,41
---christan on 1/25/12


Char, your reply is contradictory. You say,
"God did not create any soul for the sole purpose of perishing-" And give (Ezek. 18:4) which does indicate all souls are His. His to do as He desires. And we are told
(Eph. 1:4) "just as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame"
If He chose "us believers" from the foundation of the world, that implies He did not chose others. That decision was made before the foundation of the world.
Second, if He draws "us believers" to Him, He must not draw the others. If He doesn't teach those who He did not draw, they cannot go to Christ since only those the Father draws goes to Him.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/12


God did not create any soul for the sole purpose of perishing- It. All souls belong to him. Ez 18:4. Knowing every [mans adam] heart. Knowing [if] it is [willing]-to support Him,
He leads guides and directs to repentance [Chirst].
Not because He created them to love Him.
Para-by/from [str-3844] [If] you are taught by/from God...
Jn 6:45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught [Para] God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned [Para] the Father, cometh unto me. Is 54:13
Elohyim confirming-His Word:
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day Jn 6:44
He knows whose-willing - to seek Him.
---char on 1/25/12


Eloy, Jesus in His humanity is a descendant of Adam but without sin, since He is God in His divine nature. "So please do not compare Him with you as you did before." And no, He didn't clean any toilets that we know of, but He sure died for your lousy miserable sins if you are indeed saved. You are a sinner and will be a always a sinner in this life, who came from parents who were sinners who came from parents who were sinners and so on. Jesus has a Father and He is God the Father. His humanity died, but His divine nature never dies. He is of the Holy Spirit. He is the Creator of all things and is Eternal.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/12


Eloy:

You said: "Accept Christ" is Biblical, but the antiChrist whom live in sin do not want to do this, therefore they lie and say, "such teaching cannot be found anywhere in the Holy Bible", when in fact it is written plainly in more than one place throughout the Scriptures

Can you cite any verse in scripture that uses the phrase "accept Christ"? I just looked, and couldn't find a single one. If, in fact, it is written plainly in more than one place throughout the Scriptures, it should be easy for you to show us a few of them.

Jesus and the Apostles used many different terms relating to how believes in or follows Jesus, but "accept Christ" was not one of them.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/12


christan, "Accept Christ" is Biblical, but the antiChrist whom live in sin do not want to do this, therefore they lie and say, "such teaching cannot be found anywhere in the Holy Bible", when in fact it is written plainly in more than one place throughout the Scriptures. And I too exhort yoy christan, "Turn aweay from your sins, and Accept Christ, else you will remain condemned and the enemy of Almighty Christ."
---Eloy on 1/25/12


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Sinners should look into the mirror before speaking to a saint, in doing so this would prevent the added condemnation upon their life. Let me suggset to the sinner, it will do you well to "Think twice" before you choose to blaspheme against God Almighty's children: if you desire added evil in your life, then keep dissing God's kids, keep dissing we Christians from Christ, and I promise you that your life will be filled with misery and hell and with separation from God.
---Eloy on 1/25/12


Eloy:

You claim to be a Christian, so you should believe Jesus's commands to treat others as you wish them to treat you (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31).

You are constantly calling other people sinners, and unsaved, etc. This means that you must want THEM to call YOU a sinner, and unsaved, etc.

I personally do not like others to insult and slander me, which is why I avoid doing the same to others.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/12


StrongAxe,
You're still doing it. What I said is that it is anti-biblical to ask for something that is received by faith.


Mark V,
You have our Lord in a quandry when you say that every descendant of Adam is born spiritually dead. Do you not believe that Jesus is a descencdant of Adam?


JackB,
I agree that there are no puppet Christians. But, believing the gospel is not a matter of the will. It is impossible to "decide" to believe something.

I once put on my favorite shirt and favorite pants. One problem - they didn't match.

Now, I could have decided to wear them anyway, but there was no way I could "decide" that they matched.
---James_L on 1/25/12


Eloy, the one thing that Christ hates and despises are hypocrites, if you know what I mean. So spare the "thank you" and stop pretending to be "humble" when what you mean to say are words of curse unto me. You only bring more judgement and condemnation upon your wretched soul for being a hypocrite.
---christan on 1/25/12


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Christan, thank you for bringing this NonChristian name to my attention. I have the mind of Christ, and therefore "Christian" abides is in my mind, and not "Christan". This fits you more appropriately, for you post antiChristian words rather than Christian words. Thanks again Chrisin.
---Eloy on 1/24/12


James, meaning whether or not we believe what the Spirit is saying to us about our need for Jesus Christ depends upon the hardness of our heart and the depth of the love that we hold for our sins. (Heb 3:12,13)

God could certainly MAKE everyone believe in Jesus and have 50 million puppets in Heaven. Instead of uses his Spirit to persuade men in love.

Just like the Jews were proud of their "election", so are some Calvinists and they must be reminded that God is able to raise up children out of stones! He doesnt need them! So He doesnt need to show favoritism and doesnt! (Rom 2:11, Col 3:25)

If Heaven were made up of puppets, then satan and 1/3 of the angels couldnt have rebelled. Even they had free will.
---JackB on 1/25/12


James_L:

How often do you say prayers like "The Lord's Prayer"? If it's more than once, why do you do so? If you ask God to give you what you need, do you think he'll only feed you for a day, and that he needs to be constantly reminded every day? Or that when we ask him for forgiveness, it is limited only to sins we commit today?

(I am not saying it is wrong to pray more than once - just that we should realize WHY we do so.)
---StrongAxe on 1/25/12


The Seg, every descendant of Adam is spiritually dead to the thing of God which are spiritual. Which means separated from God, Emnity against God. When the Spirit makes someone spiritually alive, it's when God draws you to Him, no more spiritual separation, no more Emnity. With this spiritual life, you are able to not only understand spiritual matters, but immeditiately are convicted of your sin against God, sin you never saw before. With that spiritual life comes faith to believe. When you hear the gospel, you exercise that faith God has given you. And you receive the promise of the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ, and are sealed forever. No one who is spiritually alive rejects Christ. Only those who are still dead in sin, spiritually dead.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/12


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JackB, Ephesians 1:13, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise."

Paul is saying that when one trust and believe in Christ, it's confirmation that they were born of the Holy Spirit.

Whereas, you by your own have come to trust and believe in Christ, then you're given the Holy Spirit. If you have the ability to do all these by your own, what purpose and function has the Holy Spirit in your life?

I counsel you to read John 16:8-14 with care about the Holy Spirit. Based on your testimony, the Holy Spirit is rendered useless because you have the ability and that's blasphemy.
---christan on 1/25/12


\\The Spirit does regenerate us but we do not receive him until AFTER we exercise faith in Christ!\\
---JackB on 1/24/12

I agree with your premise, but could you explain what you mean when you say we "exercise faith in Christ" ?

Faith is passive, meaning it happens to us, rather than coming from us. We must be convinced, or persuaded, of the truth of the gospel in order to believe it. Remember what Herod Agrippa told Paul?
"You almost persuade me" (Acts 26:28)

So if anyone is exercising faith, it is the Father exercising faith in us.
---James_L on 1/24/12


Your unbelief that the Holy Spirit is the one that brings a sinner from death to life simply amazes me---Christan


See you jumped the gun a little there. I never said that. The Spirit does regenerate us but we do not receive him until AFTER we exercise faith in Christ! (Eph 1:13). Even disciples who followed Christ and believe in him didnt receive the Spirit until Christ resurrected! Yet they had faith before receiving the Spirit.

Scripture (Hebrews 3) says we CAN (regardless of what your church teaches) harden our heart to the Holy Spirit and not enter into Gods rest. What rest? Christ! He is our rest. He is our Sabbath (Col 2) much to the dismay of the SDA church.
---JackB on 1/24/12


Eloy, maybe if you turn on your lights, enlarge the prints on your computer and open your eyes you will see that the name I posted is CHRISTAN and not CHRISTIAN. Yes, I am a follower and believer of Jesus Christ, which would clearly make me be a Christian but my name is still CHRISTAN.
---christan on 1/24/12


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StrongAxe,
you're still doing it.

I'm not talking about something that we want, that God has not already promised.

What I'm talking about is a promise that God made, that whoever believes in Jesus has eternal life.

He also promised that the Holy Spirit would dwell in us. Did you ask the Holy Spirit to indwell you?

Did you ask Him to adopt you?

Did you ask Him to baptize you into the body of Christ?

If so, why would you ask Him unless you didn't believe it to be so.

If you haven't, don't you think you should?
---James_L on 1/24/12


Eloy

Exactly what falsehood and blasphemy has christan posted?
Is there something wrong with what was said?

And what makes you say there is no light in him?
Christ said if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

But, he said something even more important.
No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed, but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

I, in the time, that I have been here, have not seen him hide his words from anyone.
Eloy. Exactly what is the falsehood and blasphemy being spewed out here?
Specifically?

Thank you for your time.
---TheSeg on 1/24/12


Christian, Your name that you post "Christian", illustrates that even though someone displays the name of Light, they may have none Light in them. You are able to post falsehood and blasphemy because there is no light in you. After you become saved, then you will post truth.
---Eloy on 1/24/12


Yo B, s-up man. Sorry I just had to!

So God is a spirit!
And Christ said no one can come to me without the father.
Ok, except the Father which hath sent me draw him.
So you cant go to the father, because youre not born of the spirit.
And if you dont know father, you dont know the son.
If ye had known me-
I and the father are one-

So let me see, if i understand this?
You receive the spirit, without knowing the son or the father.
And youre born of the spirit.

So, If youre already born of the spirit!
Then why, does the father draw you to the son?
Youre already born of the spirit!
Youre good to go!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/24/12


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JackB, your comments and justification of what you believe and not believe in, basically comes down to this.

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44, so guess which of the Trinity draws the sinner to God?

"It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63, and guess who brings the sinner to the understanding of God's Words?

Your unbelief that the Holy Spirit is the one that brings a sinner from death to life simply amazes me, and that's because you claim to be a Christian and have totally no knowledge of regeneration.
---christan on 1/24/12


A sinner cannot respond to God's calling unless he's born of the Spirit---Christan

Scriptures please
---JackB on 1/24/12


Only Gods Word that was, is and is to come is [Acceptable].One confesses what one believes, but God's Word [alone] saves.Y'shua-died and rose from death.The very name Y'shua defined:God is Savior-only One "THE WORD OF GOD/ELOHIIM" Rev 19:13.
Rom 10:9-10 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

[If you believe]..His Word would be Lord and Master of your life.He did not create any soul for the purpose of perishing. God is true, just and fair. He is Spirit. He is love. He is... His Own Word there is NO Other.
---char on 1/24/12


Eloy, you place your understanding based on your own assumption and not the Word of God. Acts 2:37 must be line with Acts 17:14, "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: WHOSE HEART THE LORD OPENED, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."

This confirms regeneration prophesied in Ezekiel 36:26,27 and confirmed by Jesus in John 3:1-12. That is, those in Acts 2:37 already had their hearts opened (like Lydia) by the Spirit, hence they were convicted.

What you saying is those in Acts 2:37 opened their own hearts to convict themselves, which does not gel with regeneration. I wonder who's soul is not saved.
---christan on 1/24/12


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Christian, The Spirit is present to the hearers of the gospel. Have you not read Acts 2:37? When the sinners heard the preaching about Jesus, they were pierceed in their hearts and wanted to become saved. The reason you disagree is because you yourself are not yet saved, else you would understand how a soul becomes saved. When a person is told the gospel message they are left with one of two responses, namely, I accept Jesus, or else I reject Jesus. When the soul confesses that they are in need of Jesus and pray to him to be saved, then at that time they receive of his Spirit and are given a new heart and new life, and not before.
---Eloy on 1/23/12


Eloy: "His Spirit and nature is to attract" And I wholeheartedly agree because Christ declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44.

However, everything else becomes muddled when you quote commands from God and give the impression that from within themselves, sinners have the ability to respond, which I disagree wholeheartedly.

Here's why. A sinner cannot respond to God's calling unless he's born of the Spirit, and it's never his choice but God's will through His sovereign election and grace.

We do injustice to God's Word even after it's revealed how He saves by speaking half truths, which is no truth.
---christan on 1/23/12


"Did not Peter in Acts tell the people that Jesus was God and that you need to go to him for salvation. That is "accept (turn to, confess, follow, etc) Jesus Christ". Scott1

Yours is the theory of "assumption". True what Peter declared but one must confirm with Scriptures as to whether this is possible. John 6:44 tells us and confirms Christ's words to His disciples about salvation, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

To further dent your "assumption", God also commanded,"Be Holy for I am Holy." Explain to everyone how a man born of sin transforms himself into a Holy being and be like God on his own?
---christan on 1/23/12


James_L:

Why does God keep remining us of is goodness? Because we need to be reminded. As human beings, we need constant reassurance. Our faith is imperfect. If this was not the case, God would only need to say something once, and we would believe it forever. We would only need to ask God for something once, and we would presume it was done without needing to ask again and again. But our faith is not perfect, which is why we need constant reminders.

Jesus said that if someone had even faith as small as a mustard seed, one could command a mountain to jump into the ocean. But in all of history, nobody has yet demonstrated even that small amount of faith.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/12


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"Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."---Christan

That simply means that you must forget all you think you know and place your trust in Christ as that of a child.

All of us start out as "babes" in Christ and are supposed to be renewed in our minds by the Spirit.

Some stay babies and cant handle the meat of scripture because they would rather quarrel and cause division in the body of Christ because they want everyone else to see things they way they do (1 Cor 3:1).
---JackB on 1/23/12


Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men ( 2 Cor. 8:9, Titus 2:11 ). Grace functions totally apart from human merit or works, ( Eph. 2:8,9). Divine Grace provides not only salvation but security. This is accomplished by the continuation of the divine work of grace despite the believer's imperfections. Grace also leads the believer into the divine will and the good works which the Author of grace has previously planned that he should accomplish (Eph.2:10) Under law, obedience brings blessings, Under grace blessings are bestowed as a free gift. When obedience does no respond to love, grace teaches and disciplines (Titus. 2:11,12: 1 Cor. 11:31,32). We are saved by grace through faith".
---Mark_V. on 1/23/12


Did not Peter in Acts tell the people that Jesus was God and that you need to go to him for salvation. That is "accept (turn to, confess, follow, etc) Jesus Christ".
---Scott1 on 1/23/12


One must accept what Christ has done.

I remember a guy showing me this long sword he had.
Talking about, how this sword belongs to a great king.
He wanted very one to see just how sharp both the edges were.

So, he lets each of us hold it, just for a while.
When I finally got to hold it, I happen to notice.
How one of the edges was much sharper than the other.

Just as I was about to, ask him why?
A great strong voice says:
Most of you are putting this sword down on its edge.
A fine sword like this should always be laid on its side.

Otherwise you might hurt the very things, you are resting it on.
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/23/12


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StrongAxe,
equating a promise from God to a request from man is like comparing apples to plywood.

If I make a promise to you that I have already done something for you, and then you turn around and ask me to do that very thing, then you obviously do not believe that I did it for you.

If I give you a barrel of popcorn as a gift, would you ask me if you can eat some?


You other examples fail, too. God reminds us all the time of His love for us. Do you now ask Him will He love you? If you ask Him to love you, then you don't believe He does. It's that simple.

asking for something that's already done means you don't believe that it is done.

Asking for salvation = no faith that it is finished
---James_L on 1/23/12


James I read your response to my statement. I guess I will stay out of context if that is your take on confessing the Lord un to salvation. Blessings
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 1/23/12


Christian, Each person is given free will and freedom of chlice. God's Spirit and manifestions is not magic. His Spirit and nature is to attract, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all people up to me!" Whom gathered to his being lifted up? All the world, both sinner and saint. Now, God's Spirit and manifestation is bright and loud, "Repent or die!", "Obey me or be condemned!" Some will accept onto salvation, and some will reject onto eternal damnation. What will your free choice be? Will you embrace Christ? or spit upon and crucify the Almighty onto your eternal damntion. You can be of those that accept him or else of them that reject him, be proChrist or antiChrist.
---Eloy on 1/23/12


One must accept what Christ has done...1 Cor. 15:1 ---michael_e on 1/22/12

this cannot be denied or manipulated in any way.

accept it or not.
---aka on 1/23/12


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James_L:

You said: Asking for salvation = no faith that it is finished

Have you ever said The Lord's Prayer more than once? Or any other prayer, for that matter? If so, why? Does that mean you don't believe God "got it" the first time, and he needs to be constantly reminded?

Do you have any loved ones, and do you tell them "I love you" more than once? If so, why? Do you think they will forget, or didn't really believe you the first time?
---StrongAxe on 1/23/12


"Comparing the Godly realm the fleshly realm isnt wise. What if the child says "no"? Do the wannabe parents kidnap the child?" JackB

Then maybe you would like to expound on the doctrine of adoption to us in your right way since the fleshly realm isn't wise. Which then by your statement understanding above would make Christ unwise when He taught, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

Didn't Christ use the fleshly realm reference to the conversion of a sinner to a Christian? Uunless the Spirit of God gives you a new heart through regeneration, you will never be child-like and believe God.
---christan on 1/23/12


Christan,James L I agree...how strange. I was just talking about this very subject this weekend. Asking for forgiveness of your sins in not biblical. Jesus took care of sin on the cross. Through your faith you receive forgiveness.

To many people also use 1John 1:9 completely out of context.
---JIM on 1/23/12


\\I entered into my relationship with the way the bible states, I acknowledged I was a sinner, confessed Him as Lord and asked Him to be my Savior.\\
---Poppa_Bear on 1/22/12

"Confessing Jesus" is taken out of context, then asking him to forgive you is never found in scripture as a means of securing grace. As a matter of fact, if you ask Him, that means you don't believe in Him

It's like someone who gives you a debit card and tells you that there's 10 Billion dollars on it, all for you. So you call him on the phone and ask if you can have 100 bucks off the card.

Obviously, if you are asking, you didn't believe what he said in the first place

Asking for salvation = no faith that it is finished
---James_L on 1/22/12


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Glad to know that I wasn't the only one saved by faith Lee. Sometimes folks tend to make it sound like a 12 step program, salvation is through faith in Christ, and the evidence of that faith should be a different topic IMO. We seem to want to rap them all together like some 401K plan. If they must be bundled together then the most balanced statement Ive encountered is, Faith alone saves, but the faith that saves is not alone. To me the Gospel can be said in 4 words, Jesus took my place. He died while we were sinners, dead, depraved, enemies to the Cross, forgiveness are in Him, not our works, we except Him and therein lies Salvation.
---Poppa_Bear on 1/22/12


//Today, we are told by preachers that one must "accept Jesus Christ" in order to be save.//
One must accept what Christ has done.
1 Cor. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2By which also YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 1/22/12


Poppa_Bear, What you states is the same story that most of us have heard or experienced.

I believe that in my case, the Lord found the door already open resulting in a totally dynamic experience that leave me with a changed life.

Never to regret that my life is in Him.



---lee1538 on 1/22/12


From our perspective according to Gods word, we come by faith, receive salvation by faith in the work finished on the cross. He knocks, and says if we open, He will come in and dine with us. When I came to Him, I entered into my relationship with the way the bible states, I acknowledged I was a sinner, confessed Him as Lord and asked Him to be my Savior. At that point by faith I started to walk with Him every day, grow in the word and follow the guidance and conviction of the Spirit that I believed was living with me. Please let me know what happen to the other Christians here who say that it is different.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 1/22/12


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"We can only Hope to be adopted, we can not choose to be adopted." Even in the fleshly realm, it's the parents-to-be that adopts an "orphan child" into the family.- Christan

Comparing the Godly realm the fleshly realm isnt wise. What if the child says "no"? Do the wannabe parents kidnap the child?

You cannot escape your responsibility to repent and follow Jesus Christ by denying free will and believing some fantasy that God simply wants certain people to go to hell. He has stated that His desire is for ALL men to turn and live and yet you listen to a spirit that denies the very words of God thru HIS Holy Spirit. (Eze 18:23,32, 33:11, 1 Tim 2:4, Col 1:28,29, 1 John 4:14, John 4:44)
---JackB on 1/22/12


//The simple doctrine of adoption//
--John 15:7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you...
-the adoption process is a two way street based on the will of the adopter and the adoptee. (free will is a misnomer that doesn't really exist. We all are free to be free (with Christ) or free to be a slave (with the evil one).
-i used worked to work in the adoption process, and there has to be a form of acceptance on each part. Unfortunately, some children have to accept deplorable conditions and behavior. The law forces the issue. Our Father never forces the adoption as He pulls us along. It is up to us to receive (accept) it. (Acceptance each way...if i ... and you, then...).
-will (God's and human) and adoption are intertwined.
---aka on 1/22/12


David, you made a good point, "We can only Hope to be adopted, we can not choose to be adopted." Even in the fleshly realm, it's the parents-to-be that adopts an "orphan child" into the family. Not the other way round as "free-will" theology suggest in "accepting Christ". The simple doctrine of adoption is taught by Paul in Romans 8:15,23 & Galatians 4.

As for your first part about "God accepting us", the truth taught by Paul is that it was God who first loved the sinner, unconditionally and chose/elected him in Christ before the foundations of the world. To say that God accepts the sinner is to say that there's a reason to His election, which is not the case.
---christan on 1/22/12


Jesus said,
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life" (John 5:39,40).
They are not willing to come to Christ. They have to be made willing, otherwise they will never come to Christ. But the elect are made willing.
"For God hath not appointed us (the elect) to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" ( 1 Thess. 5:9).
A genuine believer should know that to say, God "hath not appointed us to wrath" implies that there are some whom He has "appointed" to wrath. Only those blinded by prejudice will reject this truth.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/12


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Christan
Many believed they are saved by accepting Jesus, when in reality, it is God who must accept us.
We can only Hope to be adopted, we can not choose to be adopted.(Romans 8)
---David on 1/22/12


"He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him" simply means .... Don't assume anything...."---christan on 1/22/12
I have made no assumption. I simply defined the greek word paralambano. Literally it means-"to take with one's self, or to join to one's self as an associate or companion".
Metaphorically it means-"to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be". Definitions taken from the Strongs concordance ref # 3880
If that definition is applied to the verse you quoted it would read "He came to His own, and His own did not accept or acknowledge Him to be who he professes to be." And that is exactly what happened. I agree completely with you as to why.
---joseph on 1/22/12


I believe this is the understanding most have today.
But, I don't believe it's by preachers!
It's by people who believe they are preachers.

For: Rom 10:14-15! But, this is not saying it's a man. Joh_14:26!
1Jn_2:27 talks about some anointing that going around, very contagious!
Or you can look at it as a man, who is anointed.
But, it's not the man, it's the anointing. Mat_10:20!

I just love it when people point to Mar_16:15!
But, they leave out Mar 16:19!
Them, the anointed!

So, how do you know, if someone is anointed?
I do it by listening, to them!

I hear its Rom 10:13!
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act_26:8?
Rom_10:16-17 or his anointing
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/22/12


Christan, correction to my prior post. I said that I completely agree with you as to why. However, after reading your post again, I do not agree with "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him" simply means Faith from God was not given that they may believe Christ was the Son of God."-Christan. According to Scripture "God hath dealt to every man 'the measure' of faith." (Rom 12:3) What they had not been given was the "grace of God", as in His Divine influence upon their hearts, to believe, or to acknowledge Him as Messiah. And consider this Christan, The faith of Jesus, as fruit of The Spirit, (Gal 5:22) is granted after salvation.
---joseph on 1/22/12


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"...is defined in the same way that the word "accept"- "(to take or receive (something offered)," - joseph

Faith is a gift from God given to the sinner graciously according to Paul. Are you to say the sinner has a choice to accept or reject this precious gift that comes with eternal life?

"He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him" simply means Faith from God was not given that they may believe Christ was the Son of God. Don't assume anything, preach according to what is written.

When Paul was converted, there was no account of him declaring that he "accepted Christ" and was saved. Such a salvation is un-biblical regardless of how you want to spin it.
---christan on 1/22/12


There are so many modern cliches that are anti-scriptural that it is almost sickening

Jesus will change your life
Accept Christ
Pray to receive Christ
It's not religion, it's a relationship
He's either Lord OF all, or not Lord AT all

These are just a few examples of a bastardization of Christianity.

They do nothing but bolster a false sense of security, or leave some in doubt as to the genuineness of their saving faith
---James_L on 1/21/12


2 Thes 2:10

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they RECEIVED not the love of the truth, that they might be saved

God does give people the opportunity to be saved. He doesn't withhold the truth and then turn around and punish someone for not accepting it. That would be unjust.
---JackB on 1/21/12


Eloy: I do not argue with the Scriptures you gave reference to. It's how you use those Scriptures to say what the Scripture does not mean.

For eg, when Jesus knocks, did the sinner open the door by his own will,
- without the Spirit of God's guidance? meaning, he does not need to be born of the Spirit?
- because Jesus declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So by your understanding the sinner has the ability outside of being born of the Spirit and the Father was not the cause of you going to Christ by drawing you - to answer the knocking, right? If so, the Father and Son were lying about the way to His kingdom.
---christan on 1/21/12


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"Isn't this then a lie against the Word?"---christan on 1/20/12 No.
Considering that the word "received" in the following verse, "As many as 'received' (to take upon one's self that which has been given of) Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that 'believe' (relies on, adheres to, trust in, and depends) on His 'name' (character and authority), is defined in the same way that the word "accept"- "(to take or receive (something offered)," is defined
---joseph on 1/21/12


Cristan, Have you never yet read JOHN 14:6? "YAHUSHUA (JESUS) saith unto him, 'I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father but by Me.'" That's what this Verse is talking about. It's saying that YAHUSHUA (JESUS) is the only Way by which Salvation comes.
---Gordon on 1/21/12


Paul says we "first trusted in Christ," in Ephesians 1:12. There is how love has us trusting . . . after Jesus has received us into His love with Him.

However, there are people who claim they "love" someone, yet they do not trust them.

"Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God." (Romans 15:7) So, Jesus has received us into His own love and now He expects us to love one another also, the same way He is loving us.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/21/12


God tends to accept you or He wouldn't be knocking on your hearts door ( you don't knock on His ), & to receive His Salvation, Acts 2 v 38, he - she Matt. 24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 1/21/12


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Christian, "Trustworthy the word and to be worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world sinners to save, being prominent was I. For whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Here I stand at the door and knock, if any one hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to that one and will supper with that person and that person with me. I am the door, by me if anyone enter in, that one will be Saved. Whosoever will confess me before persons, that one will the Son of man also confess before the angels of God. But that one that rejects me before persons will be rejected before the angels of God." I Tm.1:15+ Rm.10:13+ Rv.3:20+ Jn.10:9+ Lk.12:8,9.
---Eloy on 1/21/12


On the cross, Jesus DESTROYED the LAW of sin and death (yes it still exists IN THE WORLD, but is OBSOLETE to US).

From that point on, regardless of anyone being aware of what happened, no human NEED BE enslaved by or bound to that LAW.

When a person becomes FULLY "aware" (receiving and properly understanding the "knowledge of the truth"), yet disregards the truth that JESUS is our only foundation for redemption from that law (because they rather have a "REPENTANCE" FOUNDATION instead), since they are knowlegeable and fully "aware", they are "deliberately" making themselves a transgressor under that old destroyed law (because there is no redemption under that old law).
---more_excellent_way on 1/21/12


Hebrews 10:26
"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins".

Some have returned themselves to the old law and once again established for themselves a foundation of "repentance". They are making it "impossible" for them to be "restored" to spiritual purity/cleanliness.

We who are "aware" must realize that the "doctrine of Christ" (Christ and Him crucified) has been DONE/accomplished. Now our devotion must become a "draw near" deep relationship. We need to move on to a mature devotion and "draw near" instead of pretending that we played a part in what Jesus did on the cross.
---more_excellent_way on 1/21/12


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