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Baptism Of The Holy Spirit

I got baptized 1/9/11. So it's been over a year since I started seeking Jesus and praying for the Holy Spirit and still have not received. I read my Bible, I go on fasts, I constantly ask God for His Holy Spirit. I don't know what else to do...it's kind of discouraging. Can someone please help?

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Ruben, Mark 16:18) it says, believe first, then be baptize, When someone believes, they repent, otherwise why repent if you do not want to turn away from sin? Then you get baptize which goes with (Acts 2:38). Concerning (Act 22:16) if you go to (v.14,15) those people were already called by God, "The God of our Fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One" Calling on the name of the Lord precedes "arise and be baptized" Salvation comes from calling on the name of the Lord (Rom. 10:9,10,13) not from being baptized go back to (Acts 2:38)
Concerning Noah, lets say you are right and they were saved by the water, can you explain how the water saved them? What did the water do to save them?
---Mark_V. on 2/2/12


Mark_V. Ruben again you said,

"" eight souls were saved by water..baptism doth also now save us"(1 PT 3:20-21)"

They were not saved by water, but were saved by God from the drowning that would come from the water.

We must take what Peter said v 20 "were saved by water" What did the water do, according to Peter? It saved them!


Mark V* In fact the water would have drown them. Did the water pick them up from the water?

No, but the water destroyed the world and all its iniquity, exactly as baptism in the NT does. Those are Peter words inspired by God. Noah and his family 'Saved by Water'.
---Ruben on 2/2/12


Mark_V.* Repent comes first, that means a turning away from sin, that comes when a person is saved. Then he gets baptized as a command from Christ.

It's not one then the other:
"He that BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED "(MK 16:16)

"Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins, AND you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

Mark V* It symbolizes our cleansing. It does not wash away sins.

Acts 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins , calling on his name."

Where does the Bible ever say, Bapism symbolizes anything?
---Ruben on 2/2/12


It only cleans the outside, can not enter inside of you to clean your heart.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/12


Ezekiel 36:25-27: 25 Then will I sprinkle CLEAN WATER upon you, and ye shall be CLEAN: FROM ALL YOUR FILTHINESS, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a NEW SPIRIT will I put within you"
---Ruben on 2/2/12


James_L* Ruben,
I don't stop at Mark 16:16. There are other scriptures which are void of context as well. But my original contention concerned this one verse. So, if you can't demonstrate a context, you should admit it.

But to say that Mk 16:16 is not clear makes no sense. Jesus himself said believe and baptize you will be saved . How can he leave this not clear, he didn't! Other verse that speak abour baptism is clear it is water and Spirit.

James_L* Scripture is not the sole authority because it doesn't address every issue pertaining to faith.

Very true,that's why Jesus left us a Church (1 Tim 3:16) From 1st to 15th centry taught about "Baptismal Regeneration" .
---Ruben on 2/2/12




Ruben again you said,

"" eight souls were saved by water..baptism doth also now save us"(1 PT 3:20-21)"

They were not saved by water, but were saved by God from the drowning that would come from the water. In fact the water would have drown them. Did the water pick them up from the water?

Repent comes first, that means a turning away from sin, that comes when a person is saved. Then he gets baptized as a command from Christ. It symbolizes our cleansing. It does not wash away sins. It only cleans the outside, can not enter inside of you to clean your heart.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/12


Ruben,
I don't stop at Mark 16:16. There are other scriptures which are void of context as well. But my original contention concerned this one verse. So, if you can't demonstrate a context, you should admit it.

Scripture is not the sole authority because it doesn't address every issue pertaining to faith.

God's Word is a part of Him just as my voice is part of me. If you hear my voice, you hear me. My voice is me, and my voice is with me. I do not create my voice, it simply "is" just as I simply "am".
---James_L on 2/1/12


Ruben - the problem with the Roman Church view on tradition is that they have chosen to place it on the same level as scripture.

Secondly, they really cannot define the content of scripture but simply state what they believe and if it is contrary or in addition to scripture, they simply label it as sacred tradition. There is really no means to valid it.

This sacred tradition has often been a real problem causing divisions in the Christian church.
---lee1538 on 2/1/12


Ruben, don't you know how silly it sounds when you say that water saves?
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12

Scripture says:

" eight souls were saved by water..baptism doth also now save us"(1 PT 3:20-21)

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." ( Acts 2:38)

"arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16)

And how were they baptize?

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,.. " ( Acts 10:47)

Jhn 3:5/Jhn 3:22-Acts 16-Gal 3:27,Col 2:11-14, (Mark 16:16)etc..
---Ruben on 2/1/12


Mark_V.* Concerning Sola Scriptura, I believe in it because only Scripture can interpret Scripture.

Paul writes in 2 Thess 2:15 to stand firm from traditions been taught. Using scripture only which tradition is Paul tallking abbout? Using scripture only, where does it gives the Canon of scripture?

Mark_V* When sinful man try to interpret Scripture they many times add their own words they believe to be true, but are not in Scripture.

Agree, St Paul says that the Church, not the Bible, is the pinnacle and foudation of the truth (1 Tim 3:16)
---Ruben on 2/1/12




Ruben, don't you know how silly it sounds when you say that water saves? Lets say water does save, then it means that all criminals who take a shower are saved. There goes purgatory for you. No need for it, since those people cannot take a shower. I could go on and on in the case of water. you could sin all you want and then take a shower and be saved. No need for your confessions to a priest, no need for priest, actually, no need for the RCC to make doctrines and rules If water saved. But of course it doesn't, it can only clean you if you do a good job. Please pick a better doctrine to argue about.
"Come on man" your from Texas, give us your best shot. We will do our best to answer with Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12


James_L* A text without a context is a pretext. And loading your own definition of a word does not create a context.

Well then, why just stop at MK 16:16 with not sure what Jesus meant on the word 'Baptize', when other sciptures verse on 'Baptize' is with water and it saves (ie..)" eight souls were saved by water... baptism doth also now save us"


James_L* As for Sola Scriptura, you are incorrect - I do not espouse it

Ok, you do not believe in the Bible alone as the authorithy?

James_L* What scripture says is that the Father alone possesses immortality, His Word became flesh, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him.

What do you mean by "his word"?
---Ruben on 2/1/12


James L, I didn't see anything insulting in your answer to Ruben. What you said to him concerning jumping to another topic was correct, you were talking about Baptism at the time.
Concerning what you answered though I disagree that only the Father has immortality. Jesus Christ also has immortality (1 Cor. 6:15,16) and the Holy Spirit of God is also immortal since He is the Spirit of God who is immortal.
Concerning Sola Scriptura, I believe in it because only Scripture can interpret Scripture. When sinful man try to interpret Scripture they many times add their own words they believe to be true, but are not in Scripture. The reason it was introduced as a teaching tool is because the RCC kept adding their own meanings to Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12


Ruben,
I apologize for the insulting comment in my last post. I should not have gone there.

What THEY taught me?
A text without a context is a pretext. And loading your own definition of a word does not create a context.

As for Sola Scriptura, you are incorrect - I do not espouse it

As for the Trinity, you are half incorrect again - I do not subscribe to the neatly packaged 3-in-1 explanation in the creeds. Scripture does not fully support the notion. What scripture says is that the Father alone possesses immortality, His Word became flesh, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him.
---James_L on 1/31/12


James_L * Wrong again. The word means "dip, immerse, submerge"

(2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe


James_L* Context must let us know how the word is being used, and there is no context in Mark 16:16

Did they teach you to read the Bible one verse at a time and do not worry what other scriptures verse say?

James_L* Sola Sciptura? Trinity?
What does either one of those ahve to do with baptizing? Nothing.

Neither are in he Bible but you believe in them!

James_L* Stop trying to dodge the issue, and come back after you've investigated some context

Did you look in the mirror when you said this?
---Ruben on 1/31/12


\\...batize does not 'only' mean to imersed...\\
---Ruben on 1/30/12

Wrong again. The word means "dip, immerse, submerge"
It can be used of dying fabric too, but it doesn't mean "dye fabric"

Context must let us know how the word is being used, and there is no context in Mark 16:16

Sola Sciptura? Trinity?
What does either one of those ahve to do with baptizing? Nothing.

Stop trying to dodge the issue, and come back after you've investigated some context
---James_L on 1/30/12


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being immersed into the Names of God sounds to me much different from being dunked in water while saying the Names
---James_L on 1/27/12

Thus the problem for those who go by scripture alone. By the way batize does not 'only' mean to imersed, it means also to wash, to make clean with water. By the way no where in scipture does it show someone being dunk or imerge in water! There is more clear scripture verses about water baptism then they are about the Trinity in fact no where does it tell us anything about the Trinity nor about which books belong in the bibe. Tell me James why do you believe in the Triniy and the Bible when it does not explain the Trinity and does not tell us which books belong in the Bible?
---Ruben on 1/30/12


What sign are you expecting to receive from the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a teacher of truth and a comforter.

Please read John chapters 16 and 17 for a true understanding of the role of the Holy Spirit.

May the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth.
---barb on 1/29/12


//Baptism of the Holy Spirit//
Acts 2 is a source of confusion for Bible students who don't rightly divide. Pentecostal events are fulfiling Gods prophetic purpose to Israel.

The prophetic purpose of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit indicates that Acts 2 wasn't:
A random supernatural response to extreme faith
The beginning of the church the BoC
Something repeated today
Pentecost was foretold by the prophets and was crucial for Israel entering the kingdom.
Peter explains that the Spirit-filled believers weren't drunk, but were experiencing fulfillment of Joel 2:28-30. Acts 2:16-17a
This event in the last days would occur before Gods people, Israel, would enter into that everlasting kingdom on the earth
---michael_e on 1/29/12


Luke 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!

---lee1538 on 1/23/12



Enough said.

If you asked in faith and believe that Jesus is Lord and that He is raised from the dead, you have his Spirit in you. Its a guarantee. However we can hold onto certain sins that we know God is asking us to set down (strongholds) and in doing so grieve the Spirit so that it seems like He is absent. He is not. Ask the Lord to reveal your stronghold and He will.

He delights in repentance and mercy rather than death.
---JackB on 1/29/12


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Joy, Christan answered you question perfectly if you read it through. When a person is born of the Spirit he receives the gift of faith. True saving faith. James L, just touched on it on his last post when he said.
"Just because someone thinks they are desiring the things of God does not necessarily mean they believe the gospel, that word of truth by which we are saved"

Many make a commitment but have no true faith from God. Later they leave because they were never one of us. The question is, did you receive that faith?
---Mark_V. on 1/29/12


\\You have the Spirit otherwise you wouldn't even be asking this blog question.\\
---JackB on 1/28/12

Not so fast there, Jack. I grew up in a Pentecostal style church, and never even heard the gospel until the age of 27. At the AG church I went to, Not Even Half Of Them Knew One Ounce Of The Gospel. Yet all of them were "tarrying, asking, seeking"

Just because someone thinks they are desiring the things of God does not necessarily mean they believe the gospel, that word of truth by which we are saved
---James_L on 1/28/12


Francis //How will you know when you have recieved the baptism of the holy spirit?
---
Most Seventh Day Adventists would have a real problem with answering this question since most legalists would have no experience in this kind of thing and continue to believe salvation is through obedience to selected OT laws.

Romans 8:15-17 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

---lee1538 on 1/28/12


There were some promises Made to the Nation of Israel, that some still try to claim, and when it doesn't work we get discouraged. The baptism of the Holy Spirit prophesied by Joel fulfilled in Acts 2 is one of those promises.
As a Christian, this is where you are today.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit
---michael_e on 1/28/12


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I don't know what else to do...it's kind of discouraging. Can someone please help?
---Joy on 1/22/12

How will you know when you have recieved the baptism of the holy spirit?
---francis on 1/28/12


Perhaps Joy you are looking for a good feeling whereas the Holy Spirit will not alway grant you that at your request.

Luke 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!

---lee1538 on 1/23/12


Exactly! If you have done this and you live by faith, youll begin to notice certain things you are accustomed to doing will begin to bother you inside. As you give up these things that the Spirit is being grieved by you will notice those fruit bursting forth from you.

Abide in Christ, follow him, and the fruit will come forth. You have the Spirit otherwise you wouldn't even be asking this blog question.
---JackB on 1/28/12


"Sounds completely different from our English bibles, right?" James_L

Sounds perfectly same as the other versions. Problem arises when you seek to understand it from your human eyes, ears and heart rather then spiritual.

It is ONLY by the workings of the Holy Spirit through Faith (gift from God) that leads the sinner to Christ, not the man. You become confuse when Scripture says, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". Simplicity is Faith (gift from God) in Christ is what saves the sinner. Baptism is the consequence that he is saved.

Baptize the sinner all you want but if God does not dispense Faith, that act of baptism is worthless creating a false sense of security.
---christan on 1/28/12


Joy, When a person is born of the Spirit, there is no moment in which you can recall it happened. You just know something changed in your dispostion. Jesus said it was like the wind, "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8). What we do know is that before we didn't seek God, didn't love Christ, and had no faith, but then suddenly everything is changed. Now you seek God, head to a place where you can hear His name preached, and when you hear the gospel, you not only believe it by faith, but feel remorse for all you have done against God. But that is only the beginning of the ministry of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 1/28/12


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Reuben,
I try to deal with each verse in context. And there is nothing immediate in 16:16 to disclose a context.

Can we reference Matthew 28:19-20? Sure, but that's difficult, too, because the translation is influenced by doctrine

"make disciples" is literally MAKE LEARNERS (mathetensate)
"baptizing" is literally IMMERSING" (baptizontes)
"in" is leterally INTO (eis)

It literally reads
"Make learners [from] all the nations, immersing them into the Name of the Father..."

Sounds completely different from our English bibles, right?

being immersed into the Names of God sounds to me much different from being dunked in water while saying the Names
---James_L on 1/27/12


James_L* Well, it's simple. The gospel of Mark is the only place I can find Mark 16:16

But the word we are debating is baptism: question what do we do with the other scripture verses that mention baptism, ignore them which you want to do:)

James_L* Context must disclose that....There isn't enough information in Mark 16 to let us know exactly what Jesus was talking about\\

So Jesus tells us we must be baptize to be save,(MK 16:16) but no where says what he means. Does the same thing goes with Mt 28:19-20 ".Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them...And I am with you always, to the very end of the age. Surely they(Apostles) knew what Jesus was talking about, right?
---Ruben on 1/27/12


You cannot set a time table for God to follow in giving you the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues. I asked when I repented at 11 years old but did not receive until I was 22 years old. Then God led me not to ask again but to praise him which I did outloud in my prayer closet alone and then I received the HG with tongues. Start praising God and keep praising God,you ask,now expect it and keep postive and have faith to keep expecting until you receive. Keep serving God as he leads you and don't make seeking the infilling with evidence of tongues your total life goal to the exclusion of all other things of God.
---Darlene_1 on 1/27/12


Donna5535,

"...you also,when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and had believed in Him, were marked with the seal of the Holy Spirit, this is the pledge of our inheritance toward redemption..." (Ephesians 1:13-14)

This plainly says that when we believe the gospel, we are given the Holy Spirit as a pledge


There is a difference between being indwelt and infilled, though.

If you read the book of Acts, you should see there there were no two incidents exactly alike. There was a transition going on, where Gentiles were being included into the promises
---James_L on 1/27/12


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Donna5535 (part 2)

You are so right that a sinner's prayer is nowhere in the biele. It is a false gospel giving false hope to false believers


As for the Holy Spirit, in John 20:19-22 says that on the same day that Jesus rose from the dead, He breathed on the apostles and they received the Holy Spirit.

But 7 weeks later they were filled with the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 when they waited

And again in Acts 4, when they asked

Also, most every time sommeone was filled with the Holy Spirit, they immediately went and preached the gospel with boldness.

Being filled is not for something closer, deeeper, more real, etc.

It is for POWER to proclaim the good news boldly
---James_L on 1/27/12


James_L you raised a good point. But HOW does the Holy Spirit come and indwell inside of a beliver? Most fundamentalists think it's when you say the sinners prayer which isn't in the bible. You are correct, but HOW does the Holy Spirit come and indwell inside of the believer in the fisrt place? I can give you many scriptures that says, "By the laying on of hands." or "God Breathed on them and they received the Baptism."
---Donna5535 on 1/27/12


Joy, Jesus did not give me the gift of tongues until I think it was a few years from the first time I asked him. I was by myself in my apartment, and upon my knees in prayer and worship to Jesus, and I asked Jesus again for this gift, and he poured his Spirit down on me, and his Spirit entered inside of me and moved down into my stomach, and then turned around in my stomach and his Spirit came back up like a fountain out of my mouth in his holy language not from earth. You do not need any other person to impart the Spirit to you. All you have to do is keep worshipping Jesus, and ask him for his gifts, and Jesus the gift-giver will impart his Spirit to you. God's Tongue is used to glorify Jesus, edify yourself and edify the church.
---Eloy on 1/26/12


\\Why do you only look at gospel of Mark only\\
---Ruben on 1/26/12

Well, it's simple. The gospel of Mark is the only place I can find Mark 16:16

That brings us full circle to your comment about my earlier post. You said:

\\Jesus say in MK 16 he need to be baptize to be saved.\\

And I will repeat what I wrote earlier:

\\Baptizo simply means to immerse. In what? Context must disclose that....There isn't enough information in Mark 16 to let us know exactly what Jesus was talking about\\
---James_L on 1/24/12


Since Mark mentioned baptism in at least FOUR contexts, why should we automatically assume a context for this one verse ?
---James_L on 1/26/12


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//We were buried therefore with him by [water] baptism into death // ruben

baptism is full immersion...full immersion in water is just a subset. dirt is what immerses us in your above example. "We were buried therefore with him by [water] baptism into death" does that make any sense? water and dirt make mud.

"I baptize you in water, He will [water]baptize you in Spirit and fire." Does that make any sense?
---aka on 1/26/12


donna, i did not ever say that you get the HS by working in a soup kitchen, so it does not surprise me that the scripture you use is a little twisted too.

also, i never said that laying on of hands does not have its place, but in Timothy, Paul warns us not to be hasty about it. In Hebrews, the writer encourages to go onto mature things of Christ and to lay aside elementary doctrines of which laying on of hands is listed.

joy, it appears to me that you are asking this question because you have already been told and are not getting the same experience. read the parable of the sower. at the end it mentions fruit. in Gal. 5, it lists the fruit of the Spirit. to work somewhere where you are needed is to take your mind off of you.
---aka on 1/26/12


Ruben, repent or perish, repent and believe are not invitations but COMMANDS! Why? Because, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 - It's our duty to repent for we have sinned against God!

When you repent to God, He's not obligated to hand you salvation, which to begin with it was not the criteria for eternal life. Many fail to see and believe salvation is only by grace 100%, period. Jesus declared to His apostles,

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Understand the word IMPOSSIBLE?
---christan on 1/26/12


If you will notice, all the scriptures I quoted about baptism came from Mark's gospel.You honestly think there is enough information there to firmly assert water baptism?
---James_L on 1/26/12


Yes, Mk 7:4 mention (washing) Mk 1:8 says Jesus was baptize by John (water) and Jesus say in MK 16 he need to be baptize to be saved. In Mk 10 37-40, Jesus is talking about his death. Paul explain to us about that in Romans 6:"all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death" Why do you only look at gospel of Mark only, look at Acts 2:38-41, 8:12,38-10:38, Jhn 3:22, 1 Cor 12:13.27-Gal 3:27, Col 2:11-12-1 Pt 3:21..etc..
---Ruben on 1/26/12


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christan* Bottomline is, you're saying that God is obligated to save you just because you say that you have repented and believe in Him, "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Romans 4:4

Nope, did not say obligated, but does not scripture say you have to repent and believe,Y r N?

christan* Only for Christ to say, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22,23

And those were the ones who did not do the wiil of the Father!v 21
---Ruben on 1/26/12


Donna//Then find someone who already has the Baptism and ask them to lay hands on you and pray for you. The Holy Spirit of the Lord that is on that person will be imparted to you if you let them pray for you for it.//

Donna..what do you do with these : Rom.5:5,8:26,1Cor.6:19,12:3,2Cor.1:22,5:5,Gal.3:2,14,5:16,Eph.1:13,2:18,5:18,Col.1:8,1Thes.1:5,2Tim 1:14
---JIM on 1/26/12


When I got saved, the Holy Spirit came to live in me. The Holy Spirit dwells in me now and teaches me many things. Do some really think they are baptized in the Holy Spirit all of a sudden by some man laying of hands? God is my salvation. I don't have to depend on some man to put hands on me.
---shira4368 on 1/26/12


"You get it by the laying on of Hands by someone else who already has Him." Donna5535

Let's check what Jesus really said, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
John 3:6-8

Eeerrh... where's the "laying on of Hands by someone else who already had Him" part? You've been to too much of these charismatic shows, which by the way is produced and directed by you know who.
---christan on 1/26/12


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\\The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is God giving you His Holy Spirit to come and dwell inside of you....You don't have to be a mature Christian to get Him.\\
---Donna5535 on 1/26/12

Are you playing jokes?

Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh, you are in the Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone Who Does Not Have The Spirit Of Christ Does Not Belong To Him

This clearly shows that the Holy Spirit dwells in every believer. There is no such thing as a Christian who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If He does not live in you, then you need to be born again.
---James_L on 1/26/12


"God will not give you the power until you are ready to minister with it rightly" Eloy

WOW, you think so highly about man that's made from dust! Such pride you have in yourself that God has to wait for the man He created to "co-operate" with Him. God made a donkey talk, think what He can do with the man.

This same pride whom the Jews had was quickly rebuked by John the Baptist, "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." Matthew 3:9

"As it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." Mark 7:3
---christan on 1/26/12


Joy, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not some emotion-filled experience/ceremony.

You don't get it by working in a soup kitchen. You get it by the laying on of Hands by someone else who already has Him.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is God giving you His Holy Spirit to come and dwell inside of you.

Know ye not ye are a temple of the Holy Ghost. You don't have to be a mature Christian to get Him. You do need to seek and ask Father God for Him. Then find someone who already has the Baptism and ask them to lay hands on you and pray for you. The Holy Spirit of the Lord that is on that person will be imparted to you if you let them pray for you for it. Does that make a little bit more sense?
---Donna5535 on 1/26/12


\\907. baptizo bap-tid'-zo\\
---Ruben on 1/24/12


Did you pull that out of the back of a Strong's Concordance?

907 only means baptized in water? Really? Are you sure?

Mark 1:8
I have baptized (907 - ebaptisa) you in WATER, but He will baptize (907 - baptisei) you with the HOLY SPIRIT

Hmmm.

Mark 10:37-40
"Grant us to sit at your right and left in glory."

"Are You Able To DRINK THE CUP That I Drink? Or To Be Baptized (907 - baptisthenai) with the Baptism (908 - baptisma) that I am Baptized (907 - baptizomai) with ??

Jesus said "Father, take this cup from Me.

This Cup is clearly a BAPTISM of suffering.

Yes, scripture IS clear, to some
---James_L on 1/26/12


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\\What one have to do to try to justified their doctrine. Scripture is very clesr on what was meant about baptism.\\
---Ruben on 1/25/12

If you will notice, all the scriptures I quoted about baptism came from Mark's gospel. It was this very same writer who used baptism in FOUR different contexts.

And you say scripture is very clear? Well then tell us where does Mark 16:16 mention water baptism?

It doesn't, Reuben. Jesus simply said
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved"

You honestly think there is enough information there to firmly assert water baptism?

If you can't be honest enough to acknowledge the lack of context, then there is no point is trying to have a rational dialogue
---James_L on 1/26/12


biblically speaking...

the Lord says ask, seek, knock...Him that is. not seek out a church, ask from someone else's opinions and 'experience', and see if you can join.

the Spirit will lead you where you belong.

spend your time in a soup kitchen or homeless shelter... in some kind of direct service to others in need...shelter for battered women/children. there you will start to see the results of the true baptism of the spirit and not some emotion-filled experience/ceremony.
---aka on 1/26/12


Joy, God will not give you the power until you are ready to minister with it rightly: just as a novice is not conditioned yet for the meat of God, but first must be weaned upon the milk, and then afterward the meat can be digested. I recall when I desired his glossolalia from heaven, that the Lord did not bless me with this until a long time later. If Jesus would give to you certain gifts prematurely, then it would not be good. I encourage you to continue to worship and glorify Jesus, and keep praying to him and ask him your hearts desire. In his time he will continue to bless you with diverse gifts from on high, for no good will he withhold from them whom walk all righteously.
---Eloy on 1/25/12


Ruben, you took 250 words to answer my 125 words. Yet your "answers" are even worse off than from the very first one.

Bottomline is, you're saying that God is obligated to save you just because you say that you have repented and believe in Him, right? Paul's message for such a salvation, "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Romans 4:4

Only for Christ to say, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22,23
---christan on 1/25/12


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Joy, since folks here are arguing with each other, I have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit so here's my advice to you.

Find a Pentecostal Spirit filled church/Pastor. Ask him to pray for you. Read the book of Acts and STUDY how they got the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Then Ask God for Him, and "Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened."

You need someone who already has the Baptism to lay hands on you and pray for it for you. Then go by faith and believe you have Him. Start praying and asking the Lord, "Lord do I have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?" Or how do I go about getting it?" The Lord will answer a prayer like this. ((huggss))) I'll be praying for you.
---Donna5535 on 1/25/12


christan* Ruben,. If you are so gungho about baptism (which in the first I do not object to) saves a man (that I object),

Before answering your questions, please tell me what does MK 16:16 / 1 PT 3:21 mean about baptism being saved?

christan* - the Roman Catholics practice repentance and baptism,

Does not scripture teach about repentance and baptism? Those are just a couple of requirements we need to do to have Eternal life!

christan* many have been baptized and professed repentance and "faith" in Jesus Christ and yet Jesus will declare, Matthew 7:23

Sounds like does who thought they were the elect:).
---Ruben on 1/25/12


And you're going to tell Christ, "I've already been baptized and repented". See how your understanding of baptism is flawed?
---christan on 1/24/12

Are you going to tell Jesus, even though you said we must be baptize and repent to have eternal life, I just didn't think it would save my soul??
---Ruben on 1/25/12


James_L* Baptizo simply means to immerse. In what?

Water

James_L* Even pots and cups were "baptized" in Mark 7:4,

But we are: Romans 6:3-4. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death

James_L* There isn't enough information in Mark 16 to let us know exactly what Jesus was talking about,

Jesus gave us an example on baptism himself when John baptize Jesus.

James_L* BUT, I believe there is a parallel in Matthew 10:22. In the context of suffering persecution,)

What one have to do to try to justified their doctrine. Scripture is very clesr on what was meant about baptism.
---Ruben on 1/25/12


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Ruben, you're a man with intelligence. If you are so gungho about baptism (which in the first I do not object to) saves a man (that I object), maybe you would re-consider your understanding and answer these questions:

- the Roman Catholics practice repentance and baptism, do you really think when one dies a RC, you actually believe they are going to heaven?
- many have been baptized and professed repentance and "faith" in Jesus Christ and yet Jesus will declare, "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23

And you're going to tell Christ, "I've already been baptized and repented". See how your understanding of baptism is flawed?
---christan on 1/24/12


The first thing would be asking yourself.
If you have stopped sinning and have you tried to follow the law.
As it was given to Moses? Because, if you have stop sinning.
You may think you have everything you need.
So, this would be a good place to start.

Because truth repentance, start with the conviction of the spirit.
I hope you guy see my point and you guy cant answer this for her.
Please lets try to keep it Christ like. What do you guy think?

Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What say you?
---TheSeg on 1/24/12


Ruben...in Mark 16:16...when Jesus mentions baptize, the word He uses is "Baptizo". It is refering to a spiritual change. He that believes and is spiritually changed shall be saved.Nothing to do with being dunked or sprinkled on.
---JIM on 1/24/12

907. baptizo bap-tid'-zo from a derivative of 911, to immerse, submerge, to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet), used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash.
---Ruben on 1/24/12


\\Ruben...baptism here is "Baptizo". It is refering to a spiritual change. not being dunked in water.\\
---JIM on 1/24/12

Baptizo simply means to immerse. In what? Context must disclose that. Even pots and cups were "baptized" in Mark 7:4, and I don't think it meant they were changed spiritually

There isn't enough information in Mark 16 to let us know exactly what Jesus was talking about, so we should be careful to assert forcefully

BUT, I believe there is a parallel in Matthew 10:22. In the context of suffering persecution, Jesus said "he who endures to the end will be saved" Mark 16:16 is a baptism of fire (Mark 1:8, 10:39)
---James_L on 1/24/12


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Ruben...in Mark 16:16...when Jesus mentions baptize, the word He uses is "Baptizo". It is refering to a spiritual change. He that believes and is spiritually changed shall be saved.Nothing to do with being dunked or sprinkled on.
---JIM on 1/24/12


Ruben...baptism here is "Baptizo". It is refering to a spiritual change. not being dunked in water.
---JIM on 1/24/12


Being filled with the Holy Spirit does not mean that you are going to speak in tongues or pass out or fall on the floor in convulsions, if that's what you think. Paul made it clear in the New Testament that different gifts are given to different people, and he calls the gift of tongues "the least of them". Pentecostals believe everyone should speak in tongues as proof of the Holy Spirit but that is not what the Bible says. If you are saved, you already have God's spirit. Now all you can do is grow in your relationship with the Lord. Churches have created different levels of salvation in order to feel spiritually superior to other.
---Jed on 1/24/12


christan* the Scripture would then have said, "Be baptize and you will be saved".

Scripture does tell us:

Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved,

1 Pet. 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you"

Acts 2:38 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,

Acts 22:16 "Rise and be baptized,"


christan* By your understanding that baptism saves, why do you even need to believe?

It not either/or but and/both. If baptism means nothing, why does Jesus say in Mt 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them", Why commission them first to baptise?
---Ruben on 1/24/12


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christan* Just go baptizing anyone and everyone and they will all be save. See the silliness in that?

No, not if scripture tell us:

Acts 2:38 " And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and your children and to all that are far away every one whom the Lord our God calls "
---Ruben on 1/24/12


christan* Ruben, it's foolish teachings like yours that causes someone like Joy total confusion. Here's the error of your teaching. You have failed to see and hear that the command of Mark 16:16 which is, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..." Notice, "believeth" precede's "baptized"?

It not either/or it's and/both! if you don't do the second part that Jesus commanded then the first part is meaningless.

In Acts 2:38 it reads "Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So again it not either/or but and/both. Who has the foolish teaching?:)
---Ruben on 1/24/12


Joy, baptism of the Holy Spirit, is an immersion into His Spirit. That occurs as you are empowered to yield, submit, and adhere to His Spirit within you. It was His Spirit, via His grace that brought you to the salvation offered you through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. Yield acquiescently to His Spirit without doubts or rationalizations on your part, and you will be immersed. Every spiritual promise of the Father is received in exactly the same way. Ask, believe you receive, and you shall have. Mar 11:24>Luk 11:13>Jhn 7:38,39. Joy do not be deceived into believing there must be some sort of initiating outward manifestation of His presence such as speaking some in unknown language. That sign is for unbelievers.
---Josef on 1/24/12


Ruben, it's foolish teachings like yours that causes someone like Joy total confusion. Here's the error of your teaching. You have failed to see and hear that the command of Mark 16:16 which is, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..." Notice, "believeth" precede's "baptized"?

If according to your foolish teaching, the Scripture would then have said, "Be baptize and you will be saved". By your understanding that baptism saves, why do you even need to believe? Just go baptizing anyone and everyone and they will all be save. See the silliness in that?

Salvation revealed in Scripture is an orderly process, while yours is disorderly and confusing.
---christan on 1/23/12


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Joy, a Christian takes the step of baptism is because they believe that salvation is only by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Baptism does not save a sinner.

---christan on 1/23/12

A christian takes that first step because Jesus tells us "He that BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved,"(MK 16:16) And Peter says "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you,"(1 PT 3:21)
---Ruben on 1/23/12


When the disciples first received the Holy Spirit, they had been in prayer and of one accord with each other. So, it can be you need to not be isolating yourself in your own effort. Do not be dictatorial about what God has to mean by His word. Do not be dictatorial in your expectations and demands and feeling entitled with people, but depend on God.

Jesus in us is full of the Holy Spirit. So, if we have Jesus, I can offer you that we have the Holy Spirit. He is not in us by His lonesome!!! So, growing in Jesus, growing and learning how to love . . . this has us more and more full of His Spirit. God bless you (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/23/12


Let me encourage you to abide (rest) in God NOT work for God. You do have the HS when you got baptized. Use a next step approach by this I mean what is God wanting you to do (could be a sin, join a community group, tithing, giving to something, forgiveness to someone, mission trip, etc.) then ask God (HS) to help you do that. You cannot grow more until this action is finished or addressed. Don't make your work for God an idol. This is very easy to do. I have fasted by my choice and became like the Pharisee.
---Scott1 on 1/23/12


Perhaps Joy you are looking for a good feeling whereas the Holy Spirit will not alway grant you that at your request.

Luke 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!

You need only to accept the words of Jesus and then thank Him for the gift of His Spirit.
---lee1538 on 1/23/12


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joy, have you ever planted a seed? it took a while before it punched out of the ground, didn't it? even longer was the fruit/flower it produced.

the fruit/flower of the Spirit is love, joy, peace... patience, kindness, goodness... faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control...

they are all from God and not our emotions. no matter what any person tells you to do to get these and makes you somehow believe that you have failed, do not listen to them.

Give it time. you (and others) will see things happening (the fruit) that is not of you.
---aka on 1/23/12


Joy, a Christian takes the step of baptism is because they believe that salvation is only by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Baptism does not save a sinner.

It seems you need to be taught that God's salvation of the sinner is an orderly and systematic process as revealed and taught by Paul in Romans. Eg, what's true is God has chosen/elected but who they are by names, He does not reveal to us but He did say, we will know them by their fruits.

This election He declares was done before the foundations of the world. And those elected, in accordance to His time, the sinner will be born of the Spirit and be given Faith that they will repent to the Father for the forgiveness of their sins and belief in Jesus Christ.
---christan on 1/23/12


You may all ready have it and not realize it. Tongs is the most useless manifestation where wisdom is the most useful. Read Saint Paul comments about the various gifts of the sprit and evaluate where your strengths are.
---Blogger9211 on 1/23/12


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