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How To Turn The Other Cheek

When Jesus said, "whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also" do you think He meant this literally? Because Matthew Henry's commentary said yes, Jesus meant that if someone hits you, let them, don't retaliate, no bones were broken. Do you agree with this?

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markv you said I said "I wanted satan to be god of this world"
That is something I ever said
//I admit to no lie especially to you.//
So you're not man enough to admit it, I'm not surprised. We know you are.
As a sinner YOU are free to say what is in your corrupted heart since your words condemn you.
---michael_e on 3/1/12


Michael, your own words condemn you, not my words. I admit to no lie especially to you. But you can call me what you want, because as a sinner you are free to say what is in your corrupted heart since your words condemn you.
"For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, ( and hear this ) Envy, "slander, pride," foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man" (Mark 7:21-23).
---Mark_V. on 3/1/12


//go ahead and call me a liar. I do not mine at all//
Thanks Mark, I'm happy to hear you finally admit to lying.
---michael_e on 3/1/12


Michael e, then go ahead and call me a liar. I do not mine at all. Actually I don't mind anything you say. Because you already condemned me with your demonization remarks. But your own words condemn you. Not I.
---Mark_V. on 2/29/12


markv you said I said "I wanted satan to be god of this world"
That is something I ever said.
//You can call me a liar//
Markv if the shoe fits wear it, or apologize.
---michael_e on 2/29/12




Michael E, your own words condemn you. My words were truth, 1Cliff did lie and dishonest. There is truth and then there is lies, and he lied. You can call me a liar, are say that I am blind if you wish, but you bring a demons to support your points and make fun of a brother so you can look good. You can keep your demons, they are not a part of the Truth. Your own words condemn you.
---Mark_V. on 2/29/12


//We can walk away and keep our distance from them in future.//
---Rita_H on 1/26/12

In fact, it is part of our instruction...Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

anon, there are some here who spoke well. chria, rita h, bill...please listen. anyone who uses the scripture to abuse should be avoided.
---aka on 2/28/12


markv, these are your words.

//Not everything they say is sound.//

//1cliff, you are dishonest and a liar when you answer in support of athiest//

Doesn't sound very sound.

Don't you realize what you write??
---michael_e on 2/28/12


Michael E, your own words condemn you.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/12


Markv, you being a denomonationalist.

//Not everything they say is sound.//
---michael_e on 2/28/12




Poppa Bear, I suppose you know already that "John F. Walvoord" is a dispensationalist right? Not everything they say is sound. Just wanted to remind you of that. Scofield was also a dispentionalist and his Bible has many things written different then all the other Bibles. While I like his book called "Jesus Christ our Lord" I have gone through it and disagree with a few things in it, but very useful in many parts.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/12


This can be literal, and also if a person hurts you verbally or in other ways, to turn the other cheek is the "lambs way". But to hit back is the "wolves way." And we are not of the wolves, but of the sheep whom let the Shepherd defend us from the wolves. The Lord is in charge of our well-being. Sometimes we are bitten and beaten, but our merciful Shepherd will bind us up again and heal us, and he will rebuke the cruel ones.
---Eloy on 2/27/12


---char on 2/27/12

"May the Lord continue to Bless you Chria9396"

Thank you Char, I appreciate it, and may He also continue to bless you.
---Chria9396 on 2/27/12


//An abuser can twist the Word, controlling through false ''fear of god''. When one continually hears the lies of the abuser, & is isolated from hearing TRUTH, it is difficult to get out. The abused often need support to see that they have value, can be loved, cont
---Chria9396 on 1/27/12///

I agree with your complete post...this indeed is wisdom.

May the Lord continue to Bless you Chria9396
---char on 2/27/12


"When Jesus said, "whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also" do you think He meant this literally? Yes. As literally as "let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one." Or "If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also." However, every literal word He spoke, of course, has a deeper, more meaningful spiritual equivalent. For as He said, "It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." Jhn 6:63
---Josef on 1/29/12


James, I already downloaded all of his work on the NT this morning and used it for a study on Spiritual Battles in Ephesians. It was a nice tool to have. I think that it is great that he has made all of his works available in downlodable format for free. That says allot about his heart.
Keep me posted on the other resources you are talking about. I am a book vulture and sometimes wonder if it is one of my vices, lol. Thanks again.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 1/28/12


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Anon, in the context Jesus was talking about the law. He had just mentioned murder, adultery and devorce and now it was about oaths. When He got to (v.38) He talked about an eye for an eye. The law did establish this standared as a principle for limting retribution to that which was just (Ex. 21:24: Lev. 24:20: Deut. 19:21) Its design was to insure that the punishment in civil cases fit the crime. It was never meant to sanction acts of personal retalition. Jesus made no alteration to the true meaning of the law, "He was merely explaining and affirming the law's true meaning" all leading to the lessons of love. "love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you.."
---Mark_V. on 1/28/12


Poppa Bear,
there is another online commentary very similar to Constable's. I cannot think of the website right now, and my favorite pages were lost recently when I had to do a system recovery on my laptop. I will try to find my way back to it through searching a few key terms I remember from it, and then let you know if I have found it again

I'm sure you will like Constable's site when you get there.

Peace, brother
---James_L on 1/27/12


James, I think that is a great way to put it. It does seem to have more of a devotional quality to it much of the time. I am going to try your suggested reading the next time I need something beyond my current references.
Sorry to highjack this thread folks. 7x70
---Poppa_Bear on 1/27/12


Poppa Bear,

Yes, I'm aware that many expositors look to Henry's works with admiration. I just don't feel all the hype about him.

I don't know how many times I wanted to get to the bottom of a difficult passage, and was sorely disappointed that there might be a half sentence that actually pertained to the text, and 6 paragraphs of nonsense.

I was like "are you kidding me? what the heck is he even commenting on?"

More like a devotional than a serious commentary
---James_L on 1/27/12


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Anon, suffering for the gospel is one thing, tolerating abuse is not often the same, as it is rooted in fear.Fear and isolation are control tactics implemented by abusers to ensure that the abused do not leave and do as they wish, common for those living with abuse, as is the tendency to fabricate defenses for the abuser, seen in how frequently the abused don't call police when wise to do so,lie to make all appear well,covering up injuries, etc. Obviously these are not of God. An abuser can twist the Word, controlling through false ''fear of god''. When one continually hears the lies of the abuser, & is isolated from hearing TRUTH, it is difficult to get out. The abused often need support to see that they have value, can be loved, cont
---Chria9396 on 1/27/12


part 2
The best way is through the Word, which brings life, renews the mind, transforms. That often happens through someone standing alongside who is truly grounded in the Word, rightly dividing, and loves the Lord. Just admitting and exposing abuse may be initially difficult, there's often shame involved, and alot of other wrong thinking. When one has 'had enough',one takes action, and may understandably retaliate. The verse should not be 'used' to excuse abuse/sin, and allowing it to continue. but rather checks our hearts motive/attitude towrds others/enemies.
---Chria9396 on 1/27/12


I recall a missionary was tied to a pole and hung over a fire to roast by the natives he was sharing the gospel too. When his backside was dripping into the fire and was completely charred, he told his tormenters, "Sirs, this side is done now, and you can turn me over for the other side." And I recall when the Romans were feeding the living Christians to the hungry lions in their arena, that the Christians all sang songs together up to Jesus as each one was attacked and mauled to death by the lions.
---Eloy on 1/26/12


The thing that has always bothered me about "turning the other cheek" is that it actually seems to be tempting the person who hit you to SIN AGAIN, and leading another to sin is in no way right.
---Geraldine on 1/26/12


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Good answer Bill_. James, thats interesting that Dr Constable is a senior prof, or was at Dallas Theological where Swindul, who appreciates Henrys works, along with, Stedman, FF/Bruce and Howard G. Hendricks, as a matter of fact, Dallas Theological may have one of the original Henrys sets on their campus. Spurgeon, the Prince of preachers, you should know about him if you attend a Baptist Church said, "every minister should own a set," along with Whitfield who read it more than once, the last time on his knees and dozens, of reformed, Baptist churches and Bible softwares recommend it. You have made the first negative comments I have ever heard. Henry may not be the cream, but for his time, he was profoundly insightful and gifted.
---Poppa_Bear on 1/26/12


Turning the other cheek does not mean you invite another slap but shows you will not return the blow, although it might result in us getting another. When people regularly offend us in whatever way, we do not have to hang around for a repeat performance whether it be from hand or mouth. We can walk away and keep our distance from them in future. Someone who regularly offends us should accept that they'll see less of us, regardless of their relationship with us.
---Rita_H on 1/26/12


Jesus took some hits, so did Paul and others, and ones rejoiced that God has counted them worthy of that.

But they were doing God's will, not suffering consequences of wrong choices they had made.

But, also, Jesus did not stay in situations where people were trying to kill him. Plus Paul slipped away from the governor of Damascus, using that basket > 2 Corinthians 11:33.

And Joseph and Mary left Israel with Jesus when God knew Herod wanted to kill Jesus. So, God does move people away from danger. And He did not have them first trying to "negotiate" with the evil people who were trying to kill Jesus.

But if Jesus has you face someone who is evil, He is in control of what will happen.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/26/12


Like many things in the N.T., this was said to the UNCIVILIZED Jewish culture living at the time when Jesus walked the earth. It was said because they were an ancient and crude society that needed to become a civilized peoples FIRST and then they could learn how to DISCARD THEIR "HEART OF STONE" and have a "heart of flesh". The "True worshiper" needs to understand what it means to have the ability to shed and FEEL genuinely "living water" tears for those who have suffered unjustly.

Satan doesn't want us to understand that what was said 2,000 years ago was meant only for the people that were alive 2,000 years ago and that WE should be like the GOOD SAMARITAN instead of the Jews.
---more_excellent_way on 1/26/12


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Poppa Bear,

Can I "recommend" something comparable? No, I cannot. For you see, if it compares to the rantings of Henry, I wouldn't dare recommend it. You can see the same thing in Barnes' notes.

If you want a real commentary, go to:

sonic light dot com (no spaces, you know)

Then click on "study notes" near the top of the page.

Dr Constable - WOW what a commentary. But you'd better eat your Wheaties 'cause this ain't no run of the mill jargon.

If you want a book, try:
Nelson's New King James study bible
or
The Bible Knowledge Commentary (Walvoord and Zuck)
---James_L on 1/26/12


Thankfully the Henry works can justify their selves along with the amazing teachers and preachers that have impacted the world of Christianity who have testified to their usefulness as well. By just spending some time in them it is not difficult to see that the decades he spent in constructing them in such a politically charged time in history that was so full of conflict and danger was a great sacrifice. Are there any comparable works that are so readily available that you would recommend Sir James?
In His loving grip...
---Poppa_Bear on 1/26/12



Luke 6:27-31

In these verses, Jesus is teaching us to "Love Our Enemies". Try our best to show His love to them.

This was a strong turn away from the Jew's tradition of "An Eye For An Eye", or vengeance.

Yet, Jesus was NOT saying that you can't defend, or protect, yourself. Just do your best to show love to those who do you wrong. And leave the vengeance part to GOD.

If some criminals: break into my home, steal my car, hack my bank accounts, sue me, assault me, etc. I have the right to respond and show them love.

But, I'll let GOD deal out the punishment that the criminals deserve. Often, delivered through our government.
---Sag on 1/26/12


You would do well to get rid of Matthew Henry's commentary.

I have rarely seen someone waste so many words to say absolutely nothing.

Many of the comments don't even pertain to the text at hand, and are little more than regurgitated doctrinal jargon

If that's what you want, you can find that from a half dozen or so bloggers here
---James_L on 1/26/12


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First off never stay in abusive relationship or hit to be hit that is definitly not God's plan. However if you are following God and doing his will and face persecution and hate in service to God. Stick with it because God will see you through. This is what Jesus modeled during the trial and eventually cross, also Stephen in Acts ch7.
---Scott1 on 1/26/12


---Chria9396 on 1/25/12 I too was being beaten up in my marriage and I did NOT retaliate back, never hit him back until the 8th month when I just couldn't take it anymore, I began punching him, but he was still stronger and threw me across the room. God had to deliver me out of that situation becasue I never called the police. It's against the law to beat someone up, so why would it be okay for someone to slap us on the cheek? Also, Jesus didn't retaliate either when they beat him with 39 lashes so now I'm confused. Do you let someone hit you or not?
---anon on 1/26/12


Yes, Jesus means exactly what he said, for the whole chapter 5 is Jesus teaching the people the New Law which is the ministry of life, which supercedes the old law and ministry of death. The old law was, If you slap me I will likewise slap you back: But the New Law is, If you slap me I will turn to offer my other unslapped cheek and present your assaults to God whom sees all and he will rightly vindicate his children of every abuser. That is why Jesus repays each soul good for good, and evil for evil, for each will reap what they have sown. The reward is either heaven and blessings for the righteous, or everlasting hell and torments for the sinuous. Our weak vengeance is nothing compared to Almighty God's vengeance.
---Eloy on 1/25/12


I have usually found the Hennery commentaries to be sound. Mind you, he had passed on towards the end of his work on the OT and other scholars finished the NT. As for your question, I have taken it to be a matter of assault versus insult. The Roman soldiers would often do stuff like slap the Jews to insult and humiliate them, I think that assault with an intent to kill or cause extensive bodily harm is different than what Jesus was talking about in this passage. I also think that martyrdom is a different principle as well. Also, Physical and mental abuse do need to be confronted if this is being alluded to by your question.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 1/25/12


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Anon, as someone who has been through abuse, I dont believe one should just tolerate abuse, if thats what you are getting at. I believe this speaks more of a heart attitude. Revenge is mine saith the Lord, so we ought not be motivated by revenge which is clearly seen many times in an eye for an eyeso, yes, turn the other cheek, dont act in kind, but in all, pray and allow the Lord to direct. He knows each and every situation. What is best and when. He WILL direct His children, and He is protector.
Also, I don't believe this means one cannot protect themselves. The best protection when someone is habitually abusive is to remove oneself from them.
---Chria9396 on 1/25/12


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