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Is it true that angels that have sinned have been casted down to hell?

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Steven, you were not happy that I acknowledge that the word "unicorn" was found in Scripture, now you want to make them real so you ask me, how do I know they were not real an seen them in action.

You are so smart, you got me again, I admit I was not there because God did not want me to be there to see a lie, and wanted me to be born at this time to teach you the Truth. It was all ordained by God for me to be answering you. And for you to argue for Grk. mythology. And God knew what you would say, not only about unicorns but about His Church, the gathering of believers.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/12

Mark_V.: "It comes from Greek mythology."

On the contrary, simple research will reveal that unicorns are not found in Greek mythology, but Greek natural history. So, how do you know unicorns did not once exist? Were you there to witness them in action? (same as "where you there to witness God's creation?) In fact, have you ever seen a Dodo bird? They once existed also, so they say. But who are "they?" ,=)
---Steveng on 2/16/12

Steven G, nothing resembles the white horse with one horn. It comes from Greek mythology. They believed in unicorns. They believed in many gods also.
If you see a unicorn, you should know it was captured by a virgin, nude of course. For the myth is that only naked virgins are the only one's to capture them.
It is possible to see a naked virgin but not possible to see a unicorn.
---Mark_V. on 2/15/12

"similar, yes...---aka on 2/14/12
Thanks aka. I may check it out at some point.
---Chria9396 on 2/14/12

Mark_V.: "A unicorn is a mythical animal... Now you can believe it is a real animal if you want."

You have to admit that some of those bible verses sure make the unicorn real and not used as a metaphor. But then again, the unicorn of today - the horse having one horn - may not be the unicorn three thousand years ago.
---Steveng on 2/14/12

No, is it similiar to biblegateway?
---Chria9396 on 2/13/12

similar, is free software that you download and can download different versions of the bible to make parallels and comparisons. a lot of versions are free, a lot there is a small if you want them.
---aka on 2/14/12

Steven G, the word "unicorn" is found in some not all translations of the Bible. A unicorn is a mythical animal. Some thought it was a Rino, others, two horn oxen, and many other animals. The reason for it's use by the copyist of Scripture was to show strength. It is used as a metaphor no matter the reason. I did enough research to convince me it was only use as a metaphor. Now you can believe it is a real animal if you want.
Concerning the churches you persecute, you concluded that the denominations don't have believers gathering as if you were God and could see their hearts. You judge the brothers an sisters together with the tares. The Elect come from all corners of the world.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/12

Mark_V.: "There is no real unicorns but the Bible does mention them as Steven G, said."

Are you absolutely, positively sure? I did some research after I posted my last post and found some interesting information. This time I'm asking you to use yahoo or google search engine and type the words "bible unicorn." Two sites are of interest.

answersingenesis dot org
learnthebible dot org

Here they describe the unicorn and the answers may surprise you.
---Steveng on 2/13/12

Mark_V.: "I have only one thing against you, you persecute the Church that has Jesus name on it. The gathering of believers."

As for your comment above, and have told you over and over again, I do not persecute the true church of Christ only denominational churches. And I do believe in the gathering of christians, but not in denominational churches. I believe what the bible says: "where two or more are gathered..." and "gather daily" - gather daily especially in today's world.

On an observational note the phrase you used "I have only one thing against you..," taken straight from Revelation, eh?
---Steveng on 2/13/12

have you heard of e-sword?"
---aka on 2/13/12
No, is it similiar to biblegateway?
---Chria9396 on 2/13/12

Darline and Chria, thank you. I looked on my Old King James and the word "unicorn" is used there. The word is "re 'em". A wild bull (from the conspicousness) ...Unicorn.
The other translations use wild oxen. Steven G is right, the name unicorn is found in some translations. After checking the context, the word unicorn is a mythical animal, known for the strength. When used in Scripture it is used as a Metaphor, when the context wants to speak about strength. The allusions to the re'em as a wild, unicorn, as a wild untamable animal of great strength and agility with mighty horns is use as a metaphor. There is no real unicorns but the Bible does mention them as Steven G, said.
---Mark_V. on 2/13/12


have you heard of e-sword?
---aka on 2/13/12

I use biblegateway frequently to compare different versions of the bible which I do not have available. The King Jame IS on the website, and the verses steveng posted are there...I also use it to try to find a verse I'm thinking of, just type in a word or part of a verse...convenient too to copy/paste a verse or verses rather than write out
---Chria9396 on 2/13/12

//online KJV bible//

very useful tool
---michael_e on 2/12/12

Steveng thanks for the Bible search site. I went there like you said but I didn't find the King James Bible at all,just the New King James Bible and I searched it and there were no verses found for unicorn. Then it dawned on me go further back since language changes many times through the ages,so I went to the Wycliffe Bible which was translated 1382-1395 before the King James. I found unicorn in Numbers23:22,24:8,Deuteronomy 33:17,Job 39:9,10,Psalms22:21,78:69,92:10,and Isaiah34:7. MarkV I hope this helps. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/12/12

Steven g, I have not been here seven years. I do not hate you, and I do not need to do word searches on the Computer. I have the Bibles right in front of me. No unicorns mentioned in the Bibles I have.
I have only one thing against you, you persecute the Church that has Jesus name on it. The gathering of believers. The reason most churches are corrupt now is because many like you do not edify the Churches, but instead leave them and then talk bad about them. Yes, there is so many which are bad, but as long as they have believers in them, we should do everything possible to help those who are truely saved. Believers will come from all corners of the world.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/12

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True. Angels that sinned are demons and the ministers of Satan today.

KJV 2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

~ humble follower of The Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, 1 Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/12/12

Mark_V.: "Your search on the computer did nothing for you."

Mark. For seven years I've been patient with you concerning the use of the online KJV bible searches and you still don't understand. Do You have a one track mind against me? Are you still holding that grudge of something I said to you seven years ago?

When I ask a person to search a word using an online KJV bible, I'm having that person use a KJV bible that is online so that they can do word searches within the KJV bible - not the web in general. Most people do not have searchable KJV bibles on their computer, so I point them to the many websites that have searchable versions of different bibles ("biblegateway dot com" for instance). Try it and learn.
---Steveng on 2/12/12

Steven G, I thought you were been serious. But just alot of smoke. I read of no "Unicorns" I read about Israel kings, wild oxen. I'm pretty sure that a wild oxen is a "not" a unicorn, unless the wild oxen turned to unicorns at some point. Your search on the computer did nothing for you. Try again.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/12

Mark_V.: Steven G.., Since you use the internet to find the truth, why don't you put down where in Scripture you find "unicorns?""

You are either very lazy or very ingnorant. You mean after seven years of telling you to do an online KJV bible search, you still don't know how to use it? Again, I do not use the internet per se, but use the KJV bible that is on the internet to do searches of key words within the KJV bible. Biblegateway dot com is a good place to start. But since you are lazy here are the verses:

Numbers 23:22
Numbers 24:8
Deuteronomy 33:17
Job 39:9
Job 39:10
Psalm 22:21
Psalm 29:6
Psalm 92:10
Isaiah 34:7
---Steveng on 2/9/12

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Steven G, you do not surprise me to answer me with your post. Since you use the internet to find the truth, why don't you put down where in Scripture you find "unicorns?" I will be waiting. I have four Bibles in my possession, and will look it up. I cannot wait to hear from you.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/12

MarkV: "I told you I believed in the Word of God, and there is no unicorns mentioned there."

You will be surprised that unicorns ARE mentioned in the Bible. Do an online KJV bible search for the word "unicorn" and read for yourself that unicorns are indeed mentioned in the bible.

---Steveng on 2/8/12

Hey no problem with the clarification brother! I knew from reading your many other blogs that you wouldn't agree with ALL translated versions of the Bible. But as you know, it's not just you and I reading our blogs. That's why when we say "writers" we both should be absolutely clear. I didn't want anyone reading this to ever think I KNOWINGLY disagree with an apostle or prophet. I don't mind people knowing that I do disagree with a FEW translated words in many versions.
-Johnusa, Even though I'm at home with the KJV and Amplified, I really like Young's Literal translation. It's said to be second in accuracy only to Rotherham! Both versions lend strong credibility to my assertions about Jude and 2Peter.
---Legfends on 2/7/12

Legends, If I offended you I'm really sorry. I needed to make myself more clear. Let us stay with the Holy Bible, and go from there. They might have different words depending on the Greek and Hebrew and the change to English and other languages, but the meaning is still the same. Thanks for your comments anyway.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12

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Legends, maybe I should have made myself more clear. When I said writers of Scripture I was talking about the Holy Bible. Not a cult bible like the New World Translation, that is not a Holy Bible. The Holy Bible speaks of the Son of God as God all through Scripture. The reason (John 1:1,2)is written that way. Evidence is given all through the Old Testament concerning the coming Christ. He is God. The New World Translation, He is not God be a little god, and they make sure you know it, by changing passages in the Old Testament to fit their religion. I was not talking about cult bibles. Sorry, I didn't explain myself.
---Mark_V. on 2/5/12

Can't speak for others. FOR ME, when posting a blog, the term WRITERS should only refer to apostles/prophets. It's confusing otherwise.
Bloggers, including you, constantly object to TRANSLATIONS made by TRANSLATORS who you are calling WRITERS.
If objection isn't allowed to a translation, then never object to any version of the Gospel of John that says, "and the word was A god" instead of "the word was God". It would be okay to forget that Jesus is THE SON of God and simply call Him A CHILD of God.
Hope you see my point. Some TRANSLATORS blew it on SOME word translations from the copies of the original manuscripts while other translators saw the same Grk words and used terms more consistent with original intent.
---Legends on 2/4/12

Legends, forgive me for saying what I said, really, but I'm still talking about the writers. The only writers are the ones that have interpreted the Scriptures for us by translating them. I don't know what the original writers wrote, none of us know, since we do not have the originals. But you are talking about a coup. That from Genesis to the end of Revelations, they were all in cahoots. Working to deceive everyone. We might as well just throw all Scriptures in the garbish, they are all fake. Do you have any idea that what you said, changes the whole gospel? That is why I said what I did. I understand some passages are hard to understand but there is no coup.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/12

MarkV, Blessings!
...I said, what you said I said...
I'd have problems with my own opinions.
BUT comparing your recap of my opinion to what I actually said, you'll find for the biggest part, you went way beyond the issues I raised.
The method of CHANGING ones' argument to one easily refuted is called a Straw-man Fallacy. Unfair, unchristianlike. Politicians do this.
Generally, my objections are pointed and limited in scope.
You're free to post what you will of course. But as a favor, please take note that you repeatedly confuse the WRITERS of the scriptures with the TRANSLATORS of the scriptures. You know the difference! You should know that I have never written one single blog arguing against ANY writers.
---Legends on 2/3/12

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Legends, I respect you and do love you, but don't your realize what you are saying? Implying that Scripture writers deceived us. No sin really entered the world, since satan never was fallen, never decieved Eve. Might as well not have a gospel. God never spoke the words in Gen. 3:15. That really never happened. That there was other humans "messengers" other then Adam and Eve, and that the whole gospel is really just a legend. No truth to it at all.
You know, I can understand many have trouble with Gen. 6:4, or even Jude but "Come on man" what you say is so far out of the gospel.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/12

Is there anywhere in canon where GOD casts down angels?
---chris on 2/2/12

2 Peter 2:4 (reference to sexual sin)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment....

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness...

They left their heavenly bodies and bred with women (Gen 6). I personally believe this is where the Greek mythology got its origins , the "gods" breeding with mortal women.
---CraigA on 2/2/12

Hell is where the the Devil and the demons and fallen angels abide. They have access to go to-and-fro from atop of the Earth, back down into Hell. Some are chained up in Prison.
---Gordon on 2/2/12

My Answer to your question is "no". Which is part of my objection to interpreting Jude and 2Peter as if they were speaking of angels, not human messengers... namely the sinning children of Israel out of Egypt(10 "spies" aka "messengers" bringing back an evil report from the promised land, Korah, Dathan, etc)
The New Testament is historically and prophetically based on writings in the OT. I find a problem with translations that allude to God casting out angels in the NT, when there is no CLEAR reference in the OT.
Isaiah14, Ezekiel27, Job1,2,38 and Gen6 are mashed together in order to ATTEMPT a case. But each is a highly disputed attempt at confirming what I call "Legends of the Fallen".
---Legends on 2/2/12

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other than in Jude 1.6 and 1.7, which would appear to be in reference to the fallen angels of the book of Enoch. Which is not considered canon and therefore one surmises should be discounted. Jude is very strongly influenced by the book of Enoch.
Is there anywhere in canon where GOD casts down angels?
---chris on 2/2/12

Legends, do you use Rotherham or the CLNT?
---John.usa on 2/1/12

Legends, so what you are saying is that all the writers of Scripture got it wrong. They all were wrong and what they were doing was really building a legend. But you somehow saw through it all because you had a better insight as to what all the passages meant. From Genesis to Revelation there is no bad angels and no bad and evil satan. It was just a man call satan "a messenger" the rest was all made up. Don't you realize how silly that sounds coming from a person who is supposed to be saved? And we are to believe you above all the writers of Scripture through the ages, and all the theologians who have studied Scripture. Come on man"
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12

Not true that "once" holy angels sinned. Therefore they were not cast into hell. This legend comes from a mistranslation of Greek word "aggelos" in the books of Jude and 2Peter. Then this misinterpretation is added to bad interpretations of Isaiah 14, Ezekiel27 and Revelation 12. Stir them together, you get sinning angels.
The word in Jude and 2Peter should have been translated "messengers" which if was properly done would not have neccesarily given us the idea of sinning angels. Many translations properly use the word "messengers" instead of angels.
The context of both epistles suggests the "sinning messengers" to be the sinning HUMAN children of Israel coming out of Egypt. NOT ANGELS!
---Legends on 2/1/12

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Athiest, since they let you post here on CN. why don't you post a blog with the complains of politics. Then you can feel at home there with your questions and answers. Other people will answer you.
Look athiest, many of us are believers in the Word of God, and you are in unbelief. It's like Johnusa said, if the politicians were not complaining about one thing, they would complain on another or about each other. Sin is in the world.

The question above was about angels.
yes, angels were casted down from heaven together with satan and one day all of them will be joined together with all those who rejected Christ and sinned against God.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12

Atheist, I live in California. I'm a socialist. If Republicans (or any party) didn't play on religion, they would play on something else. As with all politics, the ends supposedly justify the means. Finding fault with marginal people here won't change anything. You should go out and be active in the public square.
---John.usa on 1/31/12


If you lived in the US you would be aware of the religious pandering by the Republicans seeking office. I am hardly unaffected,not only by the decisions that might be made by these people if elected, but also by the fact than important and serious issues and solutions are being ignored.
---atheist on 1/31/12

Atheist, you are no more affected by my beliefs than I am by yours. If people's religious beliefs have a negative impact on you, then no doubt your non-religious beliefs have a negative impact on others. So we're even. Not a big deal. Just part of the human condition.
---John.usa on 1/31/12

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Mark, That anything is the "word of god" is only a belief, just as are invisible pink unicorns. If you chose to believe, you believe.

John, do you seriously believe that everyone is not directly affected by the religious beliefs of others?
---atheist on 1/31/12

Atheist, what difference does it make to you that someone believes in pink unicorns? How does someone else's belief affect you? I have no objection to your being an atheist, so what is your objection to our not being atheists?
---John.usa on 1/31/12

Athiest, I don't believe in pink unicorns either. I told you I believed in the Word of God, and there is no unicorns mentioned there. You have got to get it right before you answer. I explained it to you in a worldly manner so that you could understand.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/12

Mark: "...the reason we are believers is because we believe..."

And the reason I can't see an invisible pink unicorn is because it is invisible, but there is no reason not to believe it is there, so why don't we all just agree that there is an invisible pink unicorn?
---atheist on 1/31/12

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Athiest, the reason we are believers is because we believe in the Word of God and you don't. That is why you cannot understand. When you become save, if you ever do, you will also be a believer in the Word of God. For now you are not.

Josef, great answer. Those demons mentioned in Jude had left their own abode. and were set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Supposely many believe they are the angels from ( Gen. 6:4). Don't know if that is correct or not. Maybe I will never know.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/12

"Is it true that angels that have sinned have been casted down to hell?"-mockinbird37
Yes they are in hell, but only in the sense that they have been incarcerated, confined & completely obscured by a superimposed total void of awareness concerning the magnitude & consequence of their transgressions. Which will be eventually be revealed to them, & that revelation will cause them extreme mental & emotional torment as they are awakened to the reality of their ultimate destruction. As of now they are reserved, as in watched & guarded in a plan to retain & maintain them for the fulfillment of a specific purpose. However they will not be tormented before time. See Jude 1:6>Mat 25:41>Mat 8:29
---Josef on 1/31/12

Atheist, you believe your myths, and other people believe theirs. So, live and let live. As Rodney King so sagely put it, "Can't we all just get along?"
---John.usa on 1/30/12

Imaginary angels were cast down from an imaginary heaven by an imaginary god and became imaginary demons...

You believe this why?
---atheist on 1/30/12

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Yes the fallen angels are called demons.
---candice on 1/30/12

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