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In Genesis 1 we have the Creation periods separated by the term 'night and day'. And in Revelation 20:10 the damned suffer in the lake of fire 'night and day'. Does night and day always mean a 24 hour time period?

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Lee, I have pointed out many consequences of your nonGlobal flood belief.That you fail to attempt any explanation speaks volumes.

Consider the highest mountain near your area and explain how flood waters could rise above it and be limited to a local area?

In Genesis 8:21 God says "never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done." If the flood of Noah was not global (as you say)God has lied because massive NonGlobal floods are common. In Australia destructive floodwaters are covering an area the size of the UK and Ireland. But in your belief God must have been saying He would never have a nonGlobal flood again!

These 2 points alone show the fallacy of your nonBiblical belief. How do you answer them?
---Warwick on 2/13/12


Warwick - your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge when you are wrong. You ego seems to get in the way. What size of hat do you wear? 13 1/2?

As to faith, I believe that my track record is far more than most as I have been successful in many of the ministries that Lord has called me into.

Only somone that is blind spiritually will judge others on their spirituality. Maybe you have been in bed far too long with Adventists as that is all they do.
---lee1538 on 2/13/12


Lee rather than constructing silly straw-men arguments answer my questions, if you can. You should know words are defined by context. Therefore unless the Roman Empire covered the whole of the globe it does not refer to the whole globe. However In Genesis chapters 6-8 God writes of the whole globe, by context. "And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered" Genesis 7:19. But you would have us believe 'all' doesn't mean all, and 'entire' doesn't mean entire.

BTW there many whose intelligence is above mine, but you are not one of them. I have the great advantage over you in that by faith I know these things to be true. You do not have such faith.
---Warwick on 2/13/12


If you really were an intelligent person you would realize that you are wrong and need to give up on this issue.
---lee1538 on 2/13/12

Intelligence hasn't anything to do with it. He cannot see, because it is not for him to see. Christ spoke in parables for a reason....and the reason is given.
He assumes an authority that was not given to him nor is it demonstrated.
Meat is desired and eaten by meat eaters. Psalm 111:5
He hath given meat unto them that fear him: he will ever be mindful of his covenant.

Now if one is not mindful....why would you expect him to have any meat to share?
---Trav on 2/13/12


Warwick, like anything else the Bible must be read in its context. While earth can mean the entire globe, all the world does not always mean the entire earth.

Sorry that you believe the Chinese were taxed by Caesar as all the world went to be registered.

If you really were an intelligent person you would realize that you are wrong and need to give up on this issue.
---lee1538 on 2/13/12




Lee you have said Genesis ch's. 6-8 'earth' means a locality not the whole globe. 7:19 says "And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered." 2 Peter 3:7 reads " but by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly." To be consistent if all the high mountains under the whole heaven means a locality then the heavens and the earth that now exist must also mean a locality, meaning only part of the earth will be destroyed by fire, in your reasoning. This is of course foolishness.
---Warwick on 2/13/12


If the flood was local:
Why build a massive vessel to house 8 humans and some local animals? Why not just walk away?
Why take animals on the ark? Do you imagine animals were restricted to only this locality?
Why did God bring birds to the ark, they can fly away?
Why wasn't this locality named as was Sodom and Gomorrah?
If the flood was localized why did Jesus liken it to the coming universal judgement of 'all' men-Matthew 24:37-39.
If the flood was local and the waters rose above all the high mountains, what stopped it flowing away?'
God said never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth. He must have lied as massive local floods are common.
---Warwick on 2/13/12


Warwick 2 Peter 3:5-7 "For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world (where humans live) that then existed was deluged with water and perished."

So sorry but 'all the world' does not always means all the globe. If it did,then you would be force to believe the Caesar ordered all the world including those in South America to be taxed.

Lu 2:1 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.

You might as well give up on this issue since the truth is far too much for you to comprehend.
---lee1538 on 2/12/12


Warwick, the passages are giving three illustrations. First the Creation world (v.5). The earth was form between two realms of watery mass. During the early part of the creation time God collected the upper waters into a canopy around the whole earth, and the lower waters into underground reservoirs, rivers and lakes (Gen. 1:2-9)
Second was the flood (v.6)Perished being flooded with water, and the Third (v.7)concerns the time at the Day of Judgment.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/12


Lee read 2 Peter 3:5-7 "For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished."

Peter is talking of the world at the time of Noah's flood. Please tell me what 'world' Greek kosmos means.

"But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly."

He now speaks of the coming destruction of the "heavens and the earth." Is this destruction of the whole heavens and earth or just a part of it?
---Warwick on 2/11/12




Markv I am still waiting on you to show me show me one place where I said I WANTED satan to be god of this world
//he even said God was not here but in heaven"implying", how could God be the God of heaven and earth? That's ok, he can have his god on his throne//
My God is now on His throne in Heaven, with Christ seated at His right hand.
So why are you "imp-lying", about something you "thought" I was implying?
---michael_e on 2/11/12


//Au contraire Lee, I have defended the truth.

Like old Pilate your kind would certainly ask the question, "What is truth?" (John 18:38) sort of like beauty, something in the eye of the beholder is it not?

But the truth we seek is Jesus, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life".

Being in Christ will certainly help us to understand the Scripture when it says 'the whole world'.

Sorry that you got bruised on this issue but you really need to learn how to think.
---lee1538 on 2/11/12


Gordon, Michael just wanted to argue a point in Scripture, that God is not Ruler of this world, he even said God was not here but in heaven implying, how could God be the God of heaven and earth? That's ok, he can have his god on his throne.
As for OSAS what I have given you is Scripture. I won't argue with you, if you don't believe that Jesus can sustain you to the end, guiltless on the Day of the Lord, (1 Cor. 1:7-9) what else can I do? I cannot make you believe it. So I left you peace. I don't make people believe, I just tell them the Truth. They hate me for it. What are we told would happen when someone told another the Truth? He would be hated for it.
---Mark_V. on 2/11/12


MarkV, I understand that. But, (and BELIEVE ME, I am NOT trying to start a row, here, when I say this), but, what michael e is alledgedly doing is exactly what you're doing with the OSAS doctrine and believing babies go to Hell. It's the same damage being done. I'm telling you, that I was where you are with OSAS, believed it to the core. 'Til I found out that it IS a doctrine of demons and it does skewer and twist the ability to believe other difficult Truths of Scripture. I'm not trying to "attack" you. I'm trying to help warn you and others.
---Gordon on 2/11/12


Au contraire Lee, I have defended the truth. The problem is your extraBiblical prejudices will not allow you to accept it. You are akin to Atheist who "knows" Christians are wrong and is therefore unable to accept even the blinding obvious.

BTW you said the SDA's consider Satan is their redeemer. This is nonsense and I asked you to show it from their literature or admit it was a lie. No answer? How surprizing!
---Warwick on 2/11/12


//What does the word "world" mean in the Bible?

It also means the world that a person lives in.

But let us not depart from the given thread, since Warwick has been unable to defend his view on this subject anyhow.
---lee1538 on 2/10/12

Good witness Lee. As a start they should use an online or printed concordance. That way the "sheep" don't fall prey to the rich wolfies unwitnessed opinions. They can ask GOD to direct them to the witnesses that don't have ulterior motives. Like changing scripture to suit the denom-doc or personal desires.
---Trav on 2/11/12


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//What does the word "world" mean in the Bible?

It also means the world that a person lives in. For instance, the Bible says that Joseph & Mary went to Bethlem as Caesar taxed the entire world.

Lu 2:1 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.

Of course, Warwick in believing all the world means the entire globe would tell you that the Chinese were taxed by the Romans - much the same as his belief Noah's flood was over all the globe.

But let us not depart from the given thread, since Warwick has been unable to defend his view on this subject anyhow.
---lee1538 on 2/10/12


//But he wants satan to be God of the whole world//

MarkV show me one place where I said I WANTED satan to be god of this world. If you can't you of course know what this statement is and what that makes you, right?
---michael_e on 2/10/12


Gordon, I explained all that to him on another blog. But he wants satan to be God of the whole world. I even gave him an ungodly world and a godly world does not mean two worlds. But the evil system that is in rebellion against God. I left him peace but he didn't like my peace. He mentioned I said,
"//I know the passage does not mean what is written.//" Or what it seems to imply.
I did say it. The passage did not mean Satan was the God of all the earth. For Almighty God is the God of heaven and earth. I cannot make him believe that satan is but an instrument of God+
he blinds people, but only by permission of God. He is nothing. His intentions don't come in the Spirit of Truth.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/12


What does the word "world" mean in the Bible?
1. (Psa. 9:8) "And He shall judge the world in righteous" God is not going to judge the physical world, but what the inhabitants of the world did.
2. Psa. 50:12 "If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: For the world is mine and the fullness thereof"
Here the "world" is the literal earth and He owns it and all that is in it.
3. John 18:36 "My kingdom is not of this world." Jesus in the phrase meant that His kingdom is not connected to earthly political and national entities, nor does it have its origin in the evil world system which is in rebellion against God. It does not mean its from another world or planet.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/12


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Today we walk By Faith alone.Today God the SON is building his Body for Heavenly places. Satan is the god of this WORLD today 2 Cor 4:3 But if our gospel (the Risen Christ gave Paul) be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST. 4:4 In whom the god of this world(Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Look at any country or government in this "world"
Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Satan is in charge of this sin cursed world for this short time.
---michael_e on 2/10/12


MarkV., The Scriptures indicate, in II CORINTHIANS 4:4, that Satan is the "god of this world". Satan is not the "god" of the Planet Earth, that is GOD's Posession. But, rather, Satan is the "god" of the "world system". The world where the lusts and sins and the pride of life reign. Most people have given other to the god of this world. That's why MATTHEW says that Wide is the path that leads to Destruction (Lake of Fire) and MANY, it says, go thereat. But, Narrow is the Gate to Life, and FEW (in comparison) are those that find it.
---Gordon on 2/10/12


Michael e, why do you not understand? If you are a believer in Christ why is the light not coming on? Blindness? Lets look at (2 Cor. 4:4) it says. The god of this "world" The word "world" in the grk. is "Aion" which refers to "Age" or 'time' in contrast to "Kosmos" referring to people or space. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the planet earth. Satan is not the God of this earth. He is the god of the lost, in fact he is their father by permission of Almighty God. You want him to be God of this earth in your mind, as I said, go for it. I cannot make you change your mind, the Spirit has to reveal it to you.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/12


//we read of "the world of the ungodly" If then, there is a world of the ungodly there must also be a world of the godly//
MarkV, Don't you see your problem, you quote a scripture, then add your "worldly thought" can you back your thought with scripture?
Don't forget what our apostle said 2Cor.4: 3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not...,
Who has been blinded??
---michael_e on 2/9/12


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Michael e, I keep leaving you peace and you refuse it to continue to speak for Satan as God of this earth. I tell you that God Almighty Jehovah is God of heaven and earth. You want to defend Satan as your God, go for it.
2 Peter 2:5 we read of "the world of the ungodly" If then, there is a world of the ungodly there must also be a world of the godly. And we don't have two worlds but one. Satan has blinded many in his world, he blinded you, so he does have his own world, the lost.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/12


MarkV, YAHUSHUA said "...OF SUCH is the Kingdom of GOD." and was giving us a Clue that little children dwell in Heaven. Yes, He meant that we must be as little children to enter Heaven, but, He was also indicating that there are, in fact, children in Heaven. Made up of those babies that died or were aborted. Concerning king David's statement of him, one day, "going to" his child that died. REGARDLESS of the real age of the child, the child still went to Heaven! David walked so close with GOD, that GOD gave him the Understanding of this very fact, that his child went to Heaven at death, and that he will reunite with his child, someday, in Heaven! GOD has way more Mercy towards babies than you and Christan give HIM credit for!
---Gordon on 2/9/12


candice //Yes it is a 24hour period.

Totally ridiculous as what would a 24 hour day have to do with the lake of fire as a day is determined by earth's rotation as well as by the position of the sun?

You are really like our Adventists friends when they see the word comandments, they interpret it as being the 10 commandments. You instead when you see the word 'day' are trained to view it as a 24 hour entity.

As for hell,in the parable of Lazarus & the rich man (Lk. 16), do you think Jesus viewed the valley of Gehenna as the place where the rich man resided?

Mt 23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?

Hardly a valley where they burned trash is in view here!
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


MarkV //You can believe the devil is the god of this world if you want. But it is not Truth.//
So Mark , you believe this is the Word of God
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35) which contradicts the passage you took literally.

And you believe this is not the Word of God??
2 Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not...
If you believe these passages contradict each other, It's no wonder you go from blog to blog telling everyone they are wrong.
You're confused son.
---michael_e on 2/8/12


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Gordon, you provided one passage and made a doctrine. Once you are saved by God, you are saved, "ed" God will make you stand, by providing all spiritual gifts necessary, while Jesus sustains us to the end guiltless in the day of our Lord. You gave, (Mark 10:14,15) "...and (receive the kingdom of God as a little child.." Jesus had just rebuked the disciples for trying to prevent the children from seeing Him (v.13) they were not the one's to decide, Jesus was(Matt. 15:23). most, if not, all these children would have been too young to exercise personal faith. Jesus was implying we are to receive Him with humble and trusting dependence as little children do by trusting and depending on their parents. It was an example.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/12


Yes it is a 24hour period. Also to those speaking about "hell" the lake of fire is the 2nd death, & it is not a litral fire sorry to say. The Jews had their trash dump outside of jerusalem called "gehenna" where they threw the dead corpses. Also once you are judged & go into the 2nd death you are gone forever. No eternal burning. This I came to relise after actual scriptual studies for myself.
---Candice on 2/8/12


Michael e, it's you that has a problem as to who is regulating affairs on this earth today, you choose the devil, and I choose God Almighty. What I did was take a passage that was explicit, from the words of God.
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35) which contradicts the passage you took literally.
While you choose to believe and argue, that the devil is the God of this world, overruling the real God. I left you peace and it wasn't good enough, you want to go on arguing for the devil godship, go for it. As I said before, I cannot change you. You can believe the devil is the god of this world if you want. But it is not Truth.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/12


The belief that babies go to heaven is really without any scriptural warrant.

All born are sons of Adam and have a fallen nature.

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

O how we love to view babies as being innocent since they did not commit sin but this reduces salvation to a matter of WORKS.

I have to side with MarkV on this issue.


---lee1538 on 2/8/12


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MarkV, You lamented in your previous comment that I did not provide "....any passages" to what I said. "Not even one." So, I answered with Scripture. But, you totally dismissed what that Scripture said. Funny, as a hard-core adherent to OSAS, you do not believe that a Christian, who can sin, and who knows right from wrong, can ever lose their Salvation and go to Hell. But, you DO believe that a precious little infant who doesn't know right from wrong, nor has committed any sin, goes straight to Hell when they die. (For, if they don't go to Heaven, there's no other place to go but Hell.) OMG. But, YAHUSHUA says in MARK 10:14 "...Suffer (allow) the little children to come unto Me...FOR OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD."
---Gordon on 2/8/12


////you cannot take the truth, no matter what. It's hard to admit when you are wrong//
MarkV, don't you have any mirrors in your house??
---
All that you need to do michael_e is to present an argument either from scripture or of logic that would be convincing.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


//you cannot take the truth, no matter what. It's hard to admit when you are wrong//
MarkV, don't you have any mirrors in your house??
Why would you think that what you think a passage says over rules what it actually says?
I have no trouble admitting when I'm wrong, but what "you think" proves nobody wrong.
You may believe in God, but apparently you can't accept His Word as truth.
---michael_e on 2/8/12


Michael e, you cannot take the truth, no matter what. It's hard to admit when you are wrong. God is the Ruler of all things, including heaven and earth. You don't like that part. I cannot make you like it. I left you peace but you did not like my peace. There is no use explaining any passage to you.
Many passages seem to imply something that is not literally true, because it depends if the passage is a parable, metaphor, alligory, simile, type etc. No passage can contradict who God is, His Nature, His character, His attributes. We as students of the Word should make the effort to find the truth of each passage. You don't like that either so what can I do? not a thing so I left you peace.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/12


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MarkV someone who makes this kind of statement would never upset me.

//I know the passage does not mean what is written.//
---michael_e on 2/7/12


Michael e, I always provide passages when I believe someone is wrong scripturally. I have provide so many to you and what good did it do? Not a thing. You are just upset because I disageed with you on maybe two topics, gave you Scripture and you rejected it for some reason or another. I even left you peace, but it seems that was not good enough either. You are responding with the flesh and not in the Spirit of Truth. What I expected from Gordon was in the Spirit of Truth and he responded that way. He has been responding in the spirit of Truth so far.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


Gordon, thanks for explaining. First, you made a doctrine that all babies goes to heaven by one sentence David made. Just because he said what he did does not mean the child, not baby was in heaven. That he said it is true, that what he said may or may not be true. Descriptive passages relate what was said or what happened at a perticular time. What God says, is true, what man says, may or may not be true. What satan says, usually mixes truth and error. When Scripture describes human actions without comment, it should not necessarily be assumed that those actions are approved. In David's case, not enough information is given whether the child was in heaven or not. He thought he was. To assume and make a doctrine out of one sentence is wrong.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


//Gordon, you said a lot, and provide no passages to what you said. Not even one. When you say someone is wrong, you should provide the Word of God to show why the person is wrong//
MarkV, Do you ever look in a mirror??
---michael_e on 2/7/12


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MarkV, King David said the following about his and Bathsheba's baby that died shortly after birth. This baby was a result of the sinful, adulterous affair between him and Bathsheba. "But, now he is dead, Wherefore should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I SHALL GO TO HIM, but he shall not return to me." We know that David confessed and repented of his sins of Adultery and Murder (II SAMUEL 12:13, PSALM 51). We know that David was a "man after GOD's own Heart" (I SAMUEL 13:14). We know that David will be in Heaven. Here, David was saying that the baby cannot return to him, by fasting, as it was not GOD's Will. Instead, David will reunite with his baby when he goes to Heaven. That means the baby will be in Heaven, not Hell.
---Gordon on 2/7/12


Please read your Bible, for there are unholy children born to unholy parents. Recall how God destroyed every sinful soul on the face of the earth in Noah's day? ALL flesh including ALL their unholy offspring? every man and every woman and every child was destroyed: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the holy wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the holy husband: else were your children unclean, but now are they holy."
---Eloy on 2/7/12


Gordon, you said a lot, and provide no passages to what you said. Not even one. When you say someone is wrong, you should provide the Word of God to show why the person is wrong. I can say you are wrong all the time when in fact you might not be. I would be sinning if I said you were wrong when in fact you are right. At least when you put the passages down we can look at the context of the message.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


Christan, No, I'm sorry, but, you do not understand GOD's Mercy and Grace in this matter. It is SIN that separates us from our GOD. A baby has not sinned. A baby does not know Right from Wrong. There are no babies in Hell. Never will be. Those infants who have died, and those which were aborted, are all in Heaven. GOD is Merciful and Just. Although the sinful blood-line of Adam is, indeed, passed on from generation to generation, GOD only starts holding us accountable once we begin to know Right from Wrong, at whatever young age that begins. Different ages for different people.
---Gordon on 2/6/12


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Warwick: It's nice to read your comments about 24 hours in Genesis. You already know that my faith on that is weak, but that I desire to always remember that (now there are moments when I struggle).

Thanks for helping me out.

Blessings
---Peter on 2/5/12


chria9396//Eternity: the LORD will be your everlasting light, Is 60:19-20 rev 21:23 eternal "day"
---
Good comment as we can see that 'day' really is defined as light and 'night' as darkness. There is nothing here that would indicate any time period.

Yes, there will be no day or night in the eternal state, no matter how determined Sabbatherians want to beleive that the Jewish Sabbath will be observed in the age to come.
---lee1538 on 2/5/12


First day:
Gen 1:3-5 "And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morningthe FIRST DAY."
Last day John 6:39,44,54
No more death rev 21:4, 8
No more night: rev 23-25, rev 22:5
Eternity: the LORD will be your everlasting light, Is 60:19-20
rev 21:23
eternal "day"
---chria9396 on 2/5/12


Note 'day' is used with a number in Genesis 1. It is used as a singular or plural with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it always means an ordinary day.

'Evening' and 'morning' are used together without 'day' 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times each with 'day' outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day. And 'night' is used with 'day' 52 times
and it always indicates an ordinary day.

It seems 24hr days rule!

Those who would have it otherwise do not do so for Biblical reasons but for reasons as explained in Colossians 2:8.
---Warwick on 2/5/12


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Gordon, obviously you do not believe the Word of God when Paul declared, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:12

In other words, even when a baby is born and die within days or weeks, according to Paul's message, the sin of Adam is already imputed to ALL his posterity. In short, we are born with the guilt of Adam's sin of disobedience. A sinner before God even though the child has not started sinning.

This was the devastation of the fall of man in Eden. What else do you think the Scripture is telling us, that we are good? On the contrary, "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."
---christan on 2/4/12


MarkV., Little babies do not go to Hell, if they die. Therefore, it is not simply "unbelief" that sends a person to Hell. The Devil BELIEVES and trembles. It is SIN that takes us to Hell. It is UNREPENTENCE and the UNWILLINGNESS to repent and then RECEIVE Salvation that gets us into Hell. Unbelief does play a part, but, only in the context of the unwillingness to acknowledge one's own sin, along with the unwillingness to repent of said sin and to turn unto Forgiveness and Salvation from the LORD, and then to remain on the Narrow Path WITHOUT giving up. Only those who endure unto the End will be saved, (And, that's not just referring to the Tribulation Saints!). That refers to ALL Saints, past, present and future.
---Gordon on 2/3/12


MarkV, I do understand that there are many that will get under our skin about our belief and because of our sin of pride (yes it's still alive in us so long as we are still in the flesh) God will humble us in His loving ways.

We must always pray first for God to lead us as we witness the Truth of His Word anywhere, even here. And it's a promise from Christ, "the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

You have been blessed with this promise and I pray to God that He also blesses us with the same boldness that His disciples received.
---christan on 2/3/12


Christan, forgive me for not saying that the one's I was speaking of were in unbelief. But they are going to hell already, they have been condemned already from the time they were born through the curse put on Adam. They are going to hell already, what they need to save them is faith in Christ, and that only comes from God.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/12


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Christan 2: Thank you for your counsel brother. Keep tabs on me, sometimes I'm in a hurrey to answer and forget to mention something and it can mess up the whole message. Unbelief is the key. Since everyone who is born is in unbelief that is why they are condemned in the first place. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/12


Yes. The Day-and-Night is always of a 24-hour period. And, why not? GOD can be Complex. But, at other times HE makes things simple. SO simple, in fact, that people stumble over it. Three Days and Three Nights was YAHUSHUA (JESUS) in the heart of the Earth. (Not 2 and 1/2 Days and 2 Nights). Jonah was in the belly of the Great Fish for 3 days and three nights (72 hours). In GENESIS, There was the Evening and the Morning and that was the first Day (24 hours). SIMPLE. No "reading-between-the-lines here! Just use the Common Sense that GOD gave us.
---Gordon on 2/3/12


MarkV, the reason one goes to hell is because of unbelief in God and not because he's a murderer or a molester - hence the term unbeliever.

I'm not condoning that it's ok to be a murderer or a molester, but we lie and cheat, does that make us any lesser a sinner before God? As far as God is concerned, we have sinned against Him. There's only one judgement for sin, "The wages of sin is DEATH".

Solomon was the greatest adulterer alive, he "had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines" not to mention he fell into idolatry over and over. But is he in hell? No, he was God's beloved and by faith he believed in God and I'm sure he repented all the days of his life for his sins.
---christan on 2/3/12


"Does night and day always mean a 24 hour time period?"---lee1538
One thing is for certain "night and day" are aspects of time.
---joseph on 2/3/12


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Johnusa, the lake of fire right now is a laughing matter for many, but when those that are going there get there, they will not be laughing at all. They will say, "God why didn't you convince me? I was so dumb to believe everyone was going to be saved. Please give me some water and some hope that the pain will stop"

And God will say, "You laughed at My Word, you rebelled against Me, you thought you and the wicked molesters and murderers could go on sinning and get a free pass, but you were wrong and so were they"
There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure and will of God.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/12


This is and isn't about you, you said if God thinks!
Well I'm trying to tell you, that's not only what God thinks
But is written!

It seems you can't understand how an all loving God, can do such a thing.
Then tell me, what should be done with the things that shake the belief of God
These things have to be removed, for they can never cease to offend God.

You know I once told myself, it would be better if I die, why?
So, I wouldn't offend God another day.
What came to be is this. At lease God has one son.
Who has not offended him! I started crying.
Because you can't believe something, doesn't make it untrue.
God love you, john!
---TheSeg on 2/3/12


John.usa:

The famous Christian writer C. S. Lewis wrote an interesting fantasy novel called "The Great Divorce" about a similar subject. It deals with a group of inhabitants of hell taking an excursion to visit heaven, and ultimately discovering that it is too real to bear, and being forced to return.

Lewis's general attitude towards hell was that God doesn't send us there because he's mean and vindictive. Rather, we send ourselves there by our own choices.
---StrongAxe on 2/3/12


TheSeg, I never used the word fault. I don't consider anything God does as faulty.
---John.usa on 2/2/12


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How thats cute, and Its one way to look at it. If God wants to, its God fault.
Another would be that, he doesnt want you to and its your own fault.
Are you really going to try to tell me? Because you dont want to believe the things, God has said, Ive done. Its God fault?
Take the lake of fire and that burn for ever and ever.
Now, go down and just look at the first thing you said!
Im sure youre not trying to, but you are!
Now go outside and take a good look at the sun! Is that big enough, No?
Then look up VY Canis Majoris! Looks like a big enough lake to me.
How long will it burn?
Peace!
---TheSeg on 2/2/12


Christian, well said. You get my vote!
---Warwick on 2/2/12


TheSeg, If God thinks it for the best to burn me in a lake of fire forever and stay angry with me and billions of others forever, then I'll just have to accept that. To God be the glory!
---John.usa on 2/2/12


"And that is also one reason I would believe that the first 3 periods (or days) of creation may not have been of 24 hour duration." lee1538

I believe the 6 days in which God created the world did not evolve and is exactly the same day we are living in, with 24-hours. Many underestimate God's Almighty power, which in the first place - He could have created the world in a day or a second. Did the man evolve from an ape? No! Neither did the day God created. Belief what the Bible says.

Many get thrown off when Peter declared, "that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 8. This particular Scripture pertains to God's eternal being, he's timeless.
---christan on 2/2/12


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John.usa, he said:
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It seems to me some of us are waiting for a judgment.
As if to say, well maybe, we made it!
Why, are we not sure of our guilt?

I also take it we dont believe there a lake with fire, right?
In Rev_21:8 when Christ himself is talking about it, we dont believe him either.

You know Christ called some people fools, because they dont believe.
But its not the ones that dont believe. He is talking about.
Its the ones that just say. They do!
Mat_15:8, Mar_7:6!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 2/2/12


It would appear to me that Revelation is a picture of the eternal suffering of those God commits to hell. John is pointing out they will suffer without break for all eternity. I do not see where he is endeavouring to appoint any length of time to their suffering.

Conversely in Genesis one God defines one day as having day and night, and evening and morning. He says he created in 6 of these and confirms this in Exodus 20:11. Interestingly Lee admits that the 6 days of creation covered here are 24 hours but says the 6 days of creation in Genesis 1, upon which God bases them aren't 24hrs. Go figure.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive."
---Warwick on 2/2/12


Christan // The Spirit gives us a picture of a "work place that operates 24-hour round the clock" for our finite mind to understand eternity.

And that is also one reason I would believe that the first 3 periods (or days) of creation may not have been of 24 hour duration. Our poor finite minds could never conceive of a day being anything but 24 hours.
---lee1538 on 2/2/12


//No, in Genesis, 1 day to God in heaven was shown to be equal to 1,000 years upon the earth to Adam.
---
And according to Warwick, there has to be night and day or an evening and a morning!

And the sun shines in the lake of fire!

LOL
---lee1538 on 2/2/12


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lee1538, divide the Scripture in proper context. Genesis 1, the day and night is what we see while we are alive on this earth today enjoying God's goodness, His physical creation of the world.

Whereas in Revelation 20:10, the "day and night" is a symbolic description of eternal death. In eternity - time, matter and space ceases unlike the present earth we're in now. The tormenting of the reprobates just goes on and on with no ending since it's eternal. The Spirit gives us a picture of a "work place that operates 24-hour round the clock" for our finite mind to understand eternity.

Even then, we can never fully comprehend it till we're there. As Christians, we believe in God's Word of eternal life and death.
---christan on 2/2/12


Mark, Good to hear the lake of fire will be huge. That warms my heart. Will there be excursions to visit it from time to time for the folks living in the New Jerusalem?
---John.usa on 2/2/12


Johnusa, for God everything is possible. The lake will be big enough, don't worry, He doesn't make mistakes. The child molesters will not get mercy in hell. Neither the other child murderers and those who profane the name of the Lord. God already knows who they are and where they are going to go. Sorry, child molesters do not get a break. neither do murderers. God will have mercy on whom he wants to have mercy on. The rest will suffer for what they did. I know you don't believe that, but what you believe is false.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/12


The question itself is spurious, and loaded as the term 'periods' is not in Genesis. The days are not "separated by" night and day. In reality God 'separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.'

And "-the second day."
And "-the third day."
And "-the fourth day."
And "-the fifth day."
And "-the sixth day."

Only evening and morning day and night days. And not a "Ceration period" anywhere to be seen! Just evening and morning day and night days as man has always lived, and as we live today. In the real world anyway.
---Warwick on 2/2/12


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No, in Genesis, 1 day to God in heaven was shown to be equal to 1,000 years upon the earth to Adam. And in Revelation 20:10, the term "day and night for ever and ever", represents eternity.
---Eloy on 2/2/12


//wonder how many evenings and mornings it will take to do all that judging and get it filled up.
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It is all in His super computer.

On the other hand if you were a believing SDA in their Investigative Judgment theory, the judgment started by in October 1844 - some 167 years ago. If true, then their god must be doing everything by hand with paper and pencil.

Ridicious to the point of stupidity.
---lee1538 on 2/1/12


It's going to be a pretty big lake of fire to hold all those billions of people forever. I wonder how many evenings and mornings it will take to do all that judging and get it filled up.
---John.usa on 2/1/12


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