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Mental Condition Labels Changing

The diagnostic criteria for many mental conditions, like Autism, are being changed. So, are all these conditions really Illnesses, Spiritual Bondages, Made-Up Labels, or what?

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\\seems by your wild accusation you simply ran to Darlen'e's defense rather than READ all of my posts as you do so often in attempt to make your insipid analogies\\

C. S. Lewis said the same thing in THE PILGRIM'S REGRESS,. only much more succinctly.

"Oogle obble glooble globble oogle globble gloo!", followed by a couple of raspberries.

Glory to Jesus Chris!
---Cluny on 2/14/12

Rhonda, Darline wrote in answer to my question what the laws were. She was only trying to help others. She cause nothing terrible to warrant what you and Jed have said. If you knew something better all you had to do was post it in the Spirit of the Lord. No attacks were made on you or Jed by Darline. You always attack others in most of your answers anyways, calling Christians pagans and heathens and working for satan, but not you. That is the style we all know already. Why don't you try to help sometimes? Maybe show some the Spirit of Christ whom you say you follow. There must be something good in you if Christ is in there.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/12

MarkV you are welcome,and I want to thank you and Cluny for your input. I realize more fully there are some who had rather twist what one says and change the truth of it to their own belief than to accept a fact. When one knows nothing of the other person's life but throws things out about them which aren't even true but suits their own purpose,it is complete foolishness. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/14/12

Plain fact I never said I was in the Medical Industry, to those who say I did you are telling an outright untruth. God hates confusion and so do I therefore for me I am through with this. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/14/12

\\and its chaotic mental conditions for every "itis" today with pretty colored pills that match itis-labels\\

In other words, Rhonda, people who have studied a subject don't know as much about as people who never have.


in other words Cluny you simply have nothing to contribute other than trying to DEFEND Darlenes absurd wild claims of "being in the medical industry" when she was NOT something that I did not miss and a few others seem to have CAUGHT on with too

seems by your wild accusation you simply ran to Darlen'e's defense rather than READ all of my posts as you do so often in attempt to make your insipid analogies
---Rhonda on 2/14/12

Sister Darline, I want to thank you for the information you gave me. And what the rules are and what must not be done. I'm sorry it brought the critics out in bunches, I have that done to me all the time when I put out the Truth right from God's Word.
What I see happening is you gave what the law in your state is and what must and must not be done, and others who call you naive brought out what they see happening in their states.
Thank you so much for your answer, what you gave was good enough for me, Peace I leave you sister Darline.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/12

Wait, Darlene, you never actually worked in mental health and you are telling those of use who do that we have no knowledge of what is considered a mental illness? Oh, this is just too good. All those outrageous claims you made, you mean to say that you had absolutely no real experience working with these people? You were just spewing what you learned at some college or in some training? You know absolutley nothing about the mental health system until you have worked in it. It's not what they teach in college. Now your ignorance and naivety all makes sense.
---Jed on 2/13/12

Rhonda I did not say I was a MHP and change it the next day. What I said was completely correct and true about my Degree and training. I also made it plain I can't work due to disability,not working doesn't take away what I had already learned. This is so unimportant in life,I give up,no matter how honest I am one of You finds something wrong with it. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/13/12

\\and its chaotic mental conditions for every "itis" today with pretty colored pills that match itis-labels\\

In other words, Rhonda, people who have studied a subject don't know as much about as people who never have.


Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/12

Darlene1, Yes, I specifically remember you saying you have a degree in psychology and that you work as a counselor. If you are not a mental health professional then please stop making false statements. By your lack of insight concerning mental health treatments, I naturally assumed you never really worked in mental health, but shame on me, I just took your word for it. An Obvious mistake on my part.
---Jed on 2/13/12

...I have a degree in Psychology and trained as a counselor at the Mental Health Mental Retardation Clinic. I know what mental illness is. Think what you please...---Darlene_1 on 2/10/12

Jed just to keep things straight,I didn't say I am a Mental Health Professional...---Darlene_1 on 2/13/12
this is why those outside of medical field concerned WITH never-ending associations/credentials of those in medical field

dozens of labels and its ever-changing mixed up test criteria medical industry MISuses

and its chaotic mental conditions for every "itis" today with pretty colored pills that match itis-labels

because even YOU make claims about your involvement one day then change it up the next
---Rhonda on 2/13/12

Jed just to keep things straight,I didn't say I am a Mental Health Professional,I was injured in any accident many years ago and I am disabled which prevents me from working in that field now. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/13/12

darlene, i don't know any counselor/psychologist that can prescribe meds. i thought that's what we were talking about.
---aka on 2/13/12

aka,just for informations sake. In the State of Texas it is against the Law to have a Non-theraputic relationships with clients. A Counselor can not treat family,friends,Educatinal Associates,and Business Associates. I don't know what the Laws are in your State but it is unethical to treat those one has a previous relationship with. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/12/12

QUESTION by many is the unusual amount who are diagnosed direct result of SKEWED tests because tests validate the drug industries desire to have every child doped up on a legal drug

when tests given to a child OMITS type of home environment: LACK of structure guidelines rules discipline then these children exhibit same traits as those with ADHD due to LACK of parenting

too many children are zoned out on legal drugs today in America it is heartbreaking and disgusting the medical and drug industry can get away with this ABUSE if the drug were truly "controlled" with "limited" distribution then 1/3 of children would not be on LEGAL drugs ...waiting lists for legal drugs do not exist in my city - a LARGE city btw
---Rhonda on 2/12/12

Darlene1, I think everyone has known for years that WAY too many kids are being prescribed Ritalin. If you don't know that then you are dangerously naive if you really are a mental health professional as you claim. It's not hard to get a mental diagnosis and get medications. Anyone working in the mental health field should know that.
---Jed on 2/11/12

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I know the drug Ritlan is strictly controlled by the Federal Government. ...Limiting how many can be bought in a 30 day period. ---Darlene_1 on 2/11/12

The distribution of Ritalin as well as other controlled substances (thus the name). But, the number of Rxs and reasons are not.

i was diagnosed with ADD by a close friend, who is a psychiatrist, observed me for many years. He was permitted to prescribe by observation only. the reasoning of a doctor usually is not challenged.

fortunately, he was correct. after a while i could not afford meds anymore, and that is when i realized how important behavior modification really is.
---aka on 2/11/12

MarkV I really don't know about the other States but do know the drug Ritlan is strictly controlled by the Federal Government. Ritlan is a Schedule Two controlled substance and the Federal Government closely regulates the amount that may be manufactured. It has become an ilicit street drug selling for $3 t0 $5 a pill,which is a felony. Even though the demand for Ritlan has increased the amount manufactured has not been increased causing shortages in some places. Doctors are not free and easy with putting children on these drugs,there is another one used also. I know in Texas all drug types which come under the Schedule Two drugs are monitored by not only the doctors but the Pharmacist. Limiting how many can be bought in a 30 day period.
---Darlene_1 on 2/11/12

You know what mental illness is? But you think a disorder can't be considered a mental illness if it has physiological causes? Strange.
---Jed on 2/11/12

Jed on 2/10/12
agreed. all ADD is caused by is lack of blood flow to the extremities. any truly ADD/HD will usually have cold hands and feet and slow reactions. so, it actually has physical ramifications too. all the ADD medicine does is speed up your heart so that blood reaches further than it did without meds. more blood to the brain, the more oxygen the more it better it functions. however, the meds only get your blood going. it is behavior modification (bm) which is the key. if there is no behavioral modification, the meds only cause a faster heartbeat accompanied by many of the same problems. you are only more aware of them.

the symptoms of ADD can be treated without meds, but the symptoms cannot be treated without bm.
---aka on 2/11/12

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Sister Darline, I was reading what you said and was wondering if what you said,

"Be assured that the tests used are monitored closely and doctors don't hand out drugs to children just because a parent or teacher thinks the child should have it. There're strict guidelines before doctors prescribe the medication to help them"

is a national guideline or just in Texas?
---Mark_V. on 2/11/12

Jed what I wrote came from medical sources not my guessing. Also I have a degree in Psychology and trained as a counselor at the Mental Health Mental Retardation Clinic. I know what mental illness is. Think what you please. Thats all I'm saying on that. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/10/12

Darlene1, Do you also think that Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, and Schizoaffective Disorder are not mental illnesses too? Because they also are caused by mutations and chemical imbalances in the brain. So does that make them physical illnesses rather than mental illnesses too? Why don't you read any phsychology or medical manual and you will see that ADHD is labeled as a mental illness. As I already stated, it is not the cause of the illness that classifies it as mental or physical, it is the symptoms, how the illness is manifested that determines that. ADHD has no physical symptoms, only mental/behavioral symptoms.
---Jed on 2/10/12

Rhonda I'm sorry I misunderstood you,I read it like you had witnessed other children at school when you were there with yours,not that yours have the problem. I said no such thing about you and Jed and I didn't say my experiences were the only valid ones either,neither do I bow down,love or worship any drug company,you are saying things about me which are completely untrue. As for tests they are not to measure parenting and they do exactly what they are suspose do and they are far from worthless. I've come to the conclusion what y'all like to do best is argue so I'm sorry if I misjudged you,I thought you,like most people would like to have shared information. I won't bother again. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 2/10/12

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Rhonda my knowledge isn't based on just books,or tests I have personal experience

well Darlene than you just proved my point again and again.

I told you PERSONAL experiences I HAVE with my OWN children yet apparently that comment is invisible to you.

You also have an inability to clearly understand these "tests" do not take irresponsible parenting into consideration which essentially makes test conclusions worthless

In essence what you are saying is because Jed and I don't subscribe to YOUR views and YOUR experiences (which you declare are the only one's that matter) and because we do not bow down love and worship the medical and drug indsutry as you do THEN WE ARE the ones with closed minds????
---Rhonda on 2/10/12

Rhonda: I am sorry. I honestly did not get your context, and for that I apologize. I was not trying to attack, but clarify. I hope you can forgive me. I appreciate that you helped me better understand.
---Trish on 2/10/12

TRISH do you read???

Darlene stated: Only when the tests show they have ADD or ADHD,which is hyperactive,are they given medicine.

Rhonda replied: NOT AT ALL!!!!

these "tests" do not take factors in such as parents who provide zero structure

MY RESPONSE DID NOT IMPLY I take a stand that ADD is not real it was pointing out Darlene's WILD claim was absurd ...if YOU want to twist what I said then it is YOU Trish who is viciously attacking people here and on a crusade to defend a nameless faceless power hungry money-driven industry called legal drugs

as I already stated every minutia issue has a label and a drug ...soon when one gets a splinter they will have a label for that and a happy pill to match
---Rhonda on 2/10/12

I want to make clear to anyone else reading this Blog who may have ADD or ADHD children that these disorders are not mental illness. They're a developmental birth defect where the brain didn't develop or grow as much as it was suspose to in the area which controls attention and implusiveness. It isn't any different from any other birth defect. One should always consult with doctors if a child has any kind of problems which affect the quality of their life or prevents them from learning. Be assured that the tests used are monitored closely and doctors don't hand out drugs to children just because a parent or teacher thinks the child should have it. There're strict guidelines before doctors prescribe the medication to help them.
---Darlene_1 on 2/10/12

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Jed: You clarified, but still spoke in absolutes afterward. And, as I said, I don't remember Rhonda ever admitting her belief in legitimate ADD and ADHD diagnoses. If she did, I don't remember it. Also, if she does believe in legitimate cases, why would she say, "Not at all." I am not putting words into her mouth. That is what she said.

As I said before, there was no need to be insulting when I did not remember her saying it. You obviously believe it is acceptable to insult me, as you did yesterday. I am not putting words in your mouth. You mocked my education credentials and my supposed inabiity to read and understand something you and Rhonda posted.
---Trish on 2/10/12

Trish, Neither of us have changed our position anywhere on this blog. Either you misunderstood, or you read into it what you wanted to. Neither Rhonda or I ever said that mental illness wasn't real or that they shouldn't be treated. This is why I have asked you repeatedly to stop putting words in our mouth and saying things we did not say. I don't think that's very nice of you. We have been talking from the beginning about those who use a bogus mental health diagnosis, not a legit one, to excuse or cover up their bad behavior. This unfortunately describes the majority of those receiving mental health treatment today. Nonetheless, we do understand that there are some who are legitimately ill.
---Jed on 2/10/12

Jed: You do not need to be insulting. I did not remember seeing where Rhonda was in agreement that there are real, genuine cases of ADD and ADHD. Plus, I saw where she said, "Not at all" in reply to Darlene, regarding the testing to diagnose them.

So, rather than insult me, you could help me remember where she agreed that there are genuine cases of both diagnoses. This conversation has been going on for an entire week, and my memory is not as good as yours obviously is.

Both of you have been speaking in absolutes, until challenged.
---Trish on 2/9/12

Wow Trish, you're still doing it. Even after I clarified that we are not arguing the existence of real ADHD or that it should be treated with meds, you are still making it out as if Rhonda is saying true ADHD should not be treated, when that is not at all what she said. She and I have already clarified that we are talking about the millions who have been misdiagnosed as having ADHD when it is really just a parenting issue. We are not aposed to treating real ADHD. Either you can't read or you just can't understand when someone explains in simplest terms, and you say you were a teacher? Sad.
---Jed on 2/9/12

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Rhonda, When someone insists that ADHD is considered a physical illness and not a mental illness, I think there's really no doubt that they don't know what they are talking about.
---Jed on 2/9/12

Rhonda my knowledge isn't based on just books,or tests I have personal experience,not just having children in school and seeing others children,but with family children who suffer from the disability. There is no use in trying to share with you and Jed you are both closed minded and see nothing but what you want to,even when your view is wrong. May God give you the ability to not blame parents and just have compassion for handicapped children.
---Darlene_1 on 2/9/12

Rhonda: I taught public school for 23 years. I knew families at church, and at school, who are raising their children with rules and structure who still have children who suffer from either ADD or ADHD. The diagnosis may be overused, but to make a blanket statement that all kids diagnosed with these disorders shouldn't be given meds is showing ignorance of the disorder and the needs of the children who really suffer and need help.

Plus, teachers are not allowed to diagnose either disorder. I was not even allowed to suggest the kid get evaluated. That recommendation had to come from the guidance counselor, and only after the team of teachers had tried a variety of interventions in the classroom first.
---Trish on 2/9/12

Medical,physical fact about ADD & ADHD Children. MRI's used on ADD and ADHD children show that their brain is different from children who don't have the disorder. The MRI of those affected indicates signicant anatomical(structural) differences in the area of the brain thought to control attention and inhibitory control systems. The DSM-IV says ADD and ADHD are abnomalities resulting from organic,biological orgins. Not Metal illness although some children may have side behavior which could be listed under mental illness but it is an added problem not the ADD,ADHD itself. I think what we all should do is pray for all the helpless children who suffer from any kind of disability,they don't have easy lives.
---Darlene_1 on 2/9/12

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What I said to Rhonda was because she said "not at all" ...Your lack of knowledge is as bad as hers.

THANK YOU JED for clearly explaining my position!!!

Darlene I GAVE examples from my OWN personal experience as a mother of elementary school aged children

EXAMPLES are very real unfortunately many prefer to look at "tests" that are biased to the medical profession WHICH does not look into the parents ability to responsibly raise their children WITH structure making the test invalid

so Darlene in the end it is YOUR lack of knowledge in UNDERSTANDING "tests" are worthless if ALL of the information is not presented ...poor parenting RESULTS in kids MISDIAGNOSED with ADD and ADHD
---Rhonda on 2/9/12

Darlene1, you were wrong when you said it the first time and you are wrong again. ADHD is a mental illness. Just because it has physciolical causes does not mean it is not a mental illness. In fact, almost all real mental illness and behavior disorders are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. That doesn't mean they are mental illnesses. That's the whole point of a psychiatrist. To medically treat mentall illness. A condition is a mental illness when the symptoms are manifested mentally rather than physically. Both mental and physical illness have physiological causes and medicinal treatment.
---Jed on 2/9/12

Jed ADD and ADHD are not "mental illness". It is a physical/medical disorder. Simple terms their brains aren't wired the way they are suspose to be which makes the children unable to focus on one sound or task because without that filter they are bombbarded by all sounds. It is that kind of putting a label to these children which hurts them terribly. What I said to Rhonda was because she said "not at all" to my information on how these children are tested to determine if they are ADD or ADHD and that parents use the medicine to make them zombies. Your lack of knowledge is as bad as hers. These children are normal with a physical handicap.
---Darlene_1 on 2/9/12


Yes, it's unfortunate that this country has a tendency to dispense McMedicine - you can wait an hour to see a doctor, the doctor may see you for 5 minutes, ask a few superficial questions, and then write you prescription that will hopefully treat your symptoms without actually getting to the root cause.

While one can't condemn all medicine as this shoddy by any means, I've seen it enough personally (and also witnessed it happening to other people first hand, and heard second hand anecdotes) to know that it happens much more often than it should.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/12

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I think you guys are putting words in Rhonda's mouth. She's not disputing the fact that ADHD is real. She admitted it is real, so you can stop bringing up examples of real ADHD and suggesting Rhonda is against treating it. She never said that. You guys tried to do the same thing to me. What she and I both are saying is that even though mental illnesses like ADHD really exist, these diagnoses are over-used (even abused) to include individuals without real mental illnesses, but just plain bad behavior due to bad parenting or personal choices, that need dealt with rather than excused by a mental lable. Medicating people to "zombies" when a much simpler non-drugging, lifestyle changing solution is available, is both futile and wrong.
---Jed on 2/8/12

Rhonda I just don't understand people like you who aren't educated or trained to administer tests to try to help children who can't help themselves but think you know all there is to know about everything. Well I have news for you your lack of knowledge is showing and it doesn't look good at all. Of course parents are involved and contrary to your opinion not all handicapped children with ADHD are bouncing off the wall. You are also wrong about the medicine,it most certainly does work and the children are far from being Zombies. They are just children precious gifts from God who happened to have handicaps which cripple their learning ability. Love them,and pray for them they try so hard.
---Darlene_1 on 2/8/12

Rhonda: My younger son was well behaved in school, but suffered from ADD, which hindered his academic performance, causing him a lot of stress. When he was in therapy, his psychologist suggested having him tested for ADD. The test was on the computer, assessing his response times to specific stimuli. When he was diagnosed, and first on his medication, he said something very interesting. He told us that prior to being on the medication his teachers sounded like the trombone voices of adults on the Charlie Brown cartoons. After the meds, he actually was able to hear what his teachers were saying. His grades improved, and he was better able to get organized.
---Trish on 2/8/12


So, which is worse - drugged-out zombies who are incapable of accomplishing anything, but don't bother anyone else, or kids bouncing off the walls, incapable of accomplishing anything, and also disrupt everyone else nearby?
---StrongAxe on 2/8/12

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Only when the tests show they have ADD or ADHD,which is hyperactive,are they given medicine.


these "tests" do not take factors in such as parents who provide zero structure

IN FACT the PARENTS are not in the equation

and these "parents" NEVER object to their children being put on drugs that have more side effects than the one "thing" they are to "help"

REAL FACT there is NO DRUG on the planet right now that works even 50% of the time

so you have zombie children walking around legally high and drugged up so they become passive and easily controlled

wow great parenting shove a pill down your kids throat
---Rhonda on 2/8/12


I apologize for using the pejorative term "inmates", although in many cases, it can be true. In particular, when people are no longer capable of caring for themselves outside (and either become, or risk becoming homeless), they are often involuntarily institutionalized.


Many mental illnesses have physical bases. Nevertheless, because of the consequences, they are still mental illnesses because they affect mental functions.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/12

Trish,it's sad that people don't realize those with Mental illness are no different than someone with diabetes or any medical problem. In my early 20s I developed Psychosomatic illness from constant stress,and back then people thought I was flawed. It was only after study did I find out that internalizing stress and not dealing with it causes it. When one gets upset and the fight or flight reaction sets in,adrenalin floods the body and if it isn't acted upon it causes an overload and the bodys response is physical ailments. People love to label and they fear what they don't understand. I believe they now label severe stress overload as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Maybe someday it will be a kinder world and not so quick to judge.
---Darlene_1 on 2/8/12

Trish, I was not referring to the severely mentally ill such as yourself. I have made a clear difference between the severely mentally ill and what I am talking about. I am talking about the majority of people receiving social security for mental illnesses. Not the small minority that are actually incapable of working as you say you are. Please stop trying to lump all of these people together.

Darlene, ADHD and ADD are mental illnesses. Most legit mental illnesses have physiological causes, nonetheless, they are still mental illnesses. The medication for these disorders are prescribed by a psychiatrists. Yes, psychiatrists are medial doctors too.
---Jed on 2/8/12

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ADD and ADHD aren't a mental illness but a physical disorder. ADD,ADHD are not children with bad behavior. When they are said to have either of those it's because children must go to a doctor and be tested to see if they have those problems and the tests show they do. Only when the tests show they have ADD or ADHD,which is hyperactive,are they given medicine. Medicine can only be gotten with a Doctors prescription and then it's closely guarded and has guidelines which include only taking it during the school week. These children go through horrible times trying to adjust and do the work in school they must do. They usually have high IQs but it is like a straight jacket on their minds trying to function and follow all the routine of school.
---Darlene_1 on 2/8/12

Jed: You obviously have never experienced debilitating depression, severe anxiety, or extreme manic episodes. I have had depression that has kept me home from work for days at a time. My manic episodes sent me to the psych hospital.

The difference between you normal people, and the mentally ill is the extremes of emotions, usually caused by the chemical imbalances.

StrongAxe: Residents of mental institutions are not inmates. They are patients. I was not incarcerated when I was hospitalized for my bipolar disorder, I was a patient. I take offense at what you said.
---Trish on 2/8/12

StrongAxe, We both agreed that mental illness such as Attention Deficiency, Depression, Anxiety, Mood Swings, etc, often go ignored and most of us experience these things. With that, are these really illnesses if everyone (or most of us) experience them? No, that makes them normal human emotions and difficulties. In fact, you would actually be ill if you didn't experience each of these emotions. Should we all be on medication or other form of treatment then? Should people be receiving disability for experiencing these normal difficulties that working people have to deal with on a daily basis? That's what I meant when I said bogus illness. It's not that the symptoms are fabricated, but that they are normal and can be dealt with.
---Jed on 2/8/12


I lived in Toronto in the early '80s. If you went downtown, you might see an occasional homeless person there every few blocks. I returned in the early '00s. There were now dozens of homeless people hanging around every block.

Part of this was due to the conservative government's decision to cut costs by shutting down a major mental institution and dumping its inmates on the street, where many of them were unable to take care of themselves.

Far from being part of the "liberal agenda", this was the reverse.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/12

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Elder very funny probably true in suburbs in city we are not so sure instead we RUN because they could have a knife or gun snapping at any moment

idea behind mental institutions was to keep mentally incompetent volatile people "safe" while keeping society safe from them

instead those running the institutions were sick perverted animals who abused and tortured these people because they thought nobody would ever believe them and they were untouchable

add loss of funding and liberal agenda that violent impulsive people were not criminals YET

institutions were closed in mass all released back into society ...medical industry creates labels so each tiny "disfunction" has a label and a drug to match
---Rhonda on 2/8/12

Yea. I remember when you used to see someone walking down the street talking to themselves you knew they were crazy.
Now when we see that same person we just think they can afford a cell phone.
---Elder on 2/7/12

Strongaxe good for you

I AGREED with Jed that MOST children today are NOT ADHD ...simply products of parents who prefer to let their children raise themselves

hyperactivity is one symptom of ADHD which certainly looks like children without discipline and structure

never CLAIMED ADHD condition NEVER existed I pointed its disturbing school officials willingly SELL drugs to many parents who REFUSE to parent their children

about 1/3 of my childrens schoolmates are on drugs for ADHD and I KNOW many of the parents - they don't parent they have unruly "hyper" children because they REFUSE to discipline or set structure

you cannot compare a child with ADHD to an undisciplined child by an irresponsible parent
---Rhonda on 2/7/12


40 years ago, ADHD as almost unheard of - because people didn't know what it was. That doesn't mean it didn't exist, only that it was not diagnosed.

I have never been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, but several years ago there was an adultadd web site (now defunct) that advertised on TV. I went there and took the test just out of curiosity. After answering YES!! to half the questions, I realized I wasn't taking a test - I was reading an autobiography. ADD explained a lot of my issues when I was growing up - it's just that nobody realized it at the time.
---StrongAxe on 2/7/12

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I do believe ADHD is a real condition, alot of what is labeled ADHD today is actually just bad behavior. I have seen children with true ADHD that are very hyperactive, energetic, and attention deficit, but still obedient and well behaved.

AMEN!! that is so true very disturbing pretty colored pills pandered by teachers and school officials to parents ...40 years ago ADHD was unheard of almost 1/3 of school aged children are on mind altering drugs because drug industry is powerful and greedy

most parents prefer drugs to zone their kids out rather than parent them

many homes are ruled by unruly children because parents today are inept lazy and do not love their children by providing discipline and structure
---Rhonda on 2/6/12


Even though many people who have ADD, ADHD, OCD, etc. can manage to function effectively through it, they could probably function MUCH MORE effectively if it were treated, rather than merely being forced to just deal with it.

Lame people have been able to get around on crutches for millenia, but their lives are much more effective with wheelchairs, prosthetics, and transplants.
---StrongAxe on 2/6/12

jed, yes, i agree.
---aka on 2/4/12

While I do believe ADHD is a real condition, alot of what is labeled ADHD today is actually just bad behavior. I have seen children with true ADHD that are very hyperactive, energetic, and attention deficit, but still obedient and well behaved. True ADHD will not cause a child to back-talk and throw tantrums and hit people. That's just bad behavior. I personally know two brothers that are ADHD and they are very high strung but they are also the most loving, obedient, and kindest little boys I know.
---Jed on 2/4/12

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//While there may be spiritual cures to physical problems, that doesn't mean the problems were not physical to begin with.// strongaxe

I agree. after all, death is a physical problem that was and still is a result of sin (a spiritual problem).

i guess what i was trying to relate is the vicious cycle of sin.
---aka on 2/4/12

One reason for the changes is to be more inclusive of disorders that are not clearly identified in the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV-TR. These classifications each have a corresponding number, which helps insurance companies to know what they are paying for, just as regular illnesses are classified.

Given that mental health parity is in effect, it has become necessary to be more specific. One example is with eating disorders. The current manual identifies anorexia, bulimia and eating disorder NOS (Not Otherwise Specified.) Yet, eating disorder treatment facilities treat many patients with what is called, Binge Eating Disorder, which has been found to have a chemical basis in the brain, just as chemical addictions.
---Trish9863 on 2/4/12


While there may be spiritual cures to physical problems, that doesn't mean the problems were not physical to begin with.

Jesus healed the man born blind miraculously. When asked why the man was born blind in the first place (i.e. was it his sin's or his parents'), he replied neither. There was no spiritual cause for his blindness, yet it was cured through spiritual (and not physical) means.
---StrongAxe on 2/3/12

//My 7yr old has possible adhd,but we know it's mental, not spiritual,etc..//

i have add. i used to take meds. then, i couldn't afford them. then, i let the Spirit modify my behavior. i would like my brain to work on all cylinders (something that can only be masked by medicine), but i will renew my mind through the spirit in this broken cistern.

it seems to me that sin is a mental condition on which spirits can jump AND a spiritual condition to which a that a mind can adapt.
---aka on 2/3/12

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It is true that physical conditions (like physical and mental illnesses) can have spiritual causes. But if they do, physical remedies (like therapy and drugs) won't fix them, anymore than an aspirin will cure a headache caused by a brain tumor.
---StrongAxe on 2/3/12

ALL labels are made up.

---Cluny on 2/3/12

Why do we rarely use these Biblical labels today:


etc. etc.

I think we should call things what they are. Not try to rationalize everything as OK. Even in churches.
---Sag on 2/3/12

ALL labels are made up.

We have to have some way of classifying and putting things we see and experience into some kind of sensible order.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/3/12

In the gospels we can see that when demons possessed people the people could have obvious physical medical problems that went away when Jesus cast the demons out. So, yes a medical problem physical can be caused by an evil spirit.

Yet, it looks like even "Christian" people are very fast to assume that problems could not possibly be caused by Satan's spirit . . . even while certain disorders are keeping a person from having joy in the Holy Spirit and are causing a person to do what is harmful.

"Love does no harm to a neighbor," we have in Romans 13:10. So, of course Satan will have people in denial about this. I would say don't assume, but pray, seek first God's kingdom and He will do what He knows is needed.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/3/12

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\\they are making these changes so that firemen and E.M.T.'s can now arrest You also ,simply by claiming You are having a Behavioral Crisis....\\

Since when do firemen or EMTs have the authority to arrest anyone, kevin?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/3/12

Yes, autism is a medical condition diagnosed as impaired mental capacity manifested as severe impairment of social interaction, impairment in communication- both in understanding and in giving basic communication, and an overt fixation or obsesive preoccupation with an isolated interest to the total exclusion of all other interests, and also manifestation of repetative autonomic movements. Some mental illnesses may be normal debilitation caused by overwork or hyperstress, and some physiological or organic in nature caused genetically or by birth defects or from toxic exposures, and some may be spiritually caused by demonic possession.
---Eloy on 2/3/12

Some physical illnesses and mental illnesses may have spiritual causes, but others have physical causes. While it can be naive to assume all causes are physical, it can be equally naive to assume they are all spiritual.

When a condition responds to physical treatments (such as drugs like lithium), it's fairly clear that the cause is physical. It's also a good indication that it's not a made-up condition, because in that case, drugs wouldn't have any effect on it.
---StrongAxe on 2/2/12

they are making these changes so that firemen and E.M.T.'s can now arrest You also ,simply by claiming You are having a Behavioral Crisis....
---kevin5443 on 2/2/12

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it is a real mental illness. My 7yr old has possible adhd,but we know it's mental, not spiritual,etc.. also my 3 yr old has severe eczema. this is also a genetic disorder dealing with a cell that didn't form properly.
---candice on 2/2/12

There was a time when such afflictions as blindness were associated with sin.

What did Jesus say about such?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/12

Sag, whatever they are, people on this venue are going to retain their own ideas about them despite any contrary evidence. :)
---John.usa on 2/2/12

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