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Samuel, YES. The spirit of man shall return to GOD Who gave it. ---Gordon on 2/11/12
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Itis not the spirit of man that returns to God, it is the spirit of God

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils
---francis on 2/11/12


nope nothing leaves your body your heart, liver, kidneys, and all of the body parts remain intact ...just ask any doctor who performs and autopsy - it's all there ...nothing mysteriously evaporates into thin air or has removes itself and exits a body
---Rhonda on 2/11/12


If they have been redeemed by the Saviour YAHUSHUA (JESUS) and had lived in the Ways of GOD (with Repentance of Sin and Obedience to the Spirit) then, that soul shall go to Heaven
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there is not one verse in Holy Scripture that supports that idea
---Rhonda on 2/11/12


Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Our Adventist friends like to translate 'the spirit' as being 'the breath' in their determination to promote the concept of soul sleep. But if that interpretation is correct, we could say that the Lord gets a blast of air in His face when someone dies. Ridiculous!
---lee1538 on 2/11/12


Samuel, YES. The spirit of man shall return to GOD Who gave it. And, that spirit of man will return unto GOD to GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF THEIR LIFE. If they have been redeemed by the Saviour YAHUSHUA (JESUS) and had lived in the Ways of GOD (with Repentance of Sin and Obedience to the Spirit) then, that soul shall go to Heaven. If that spirit of man is found to be wanting and is found to have died in their sins GOD shall have that soul cast alive into the Eternal Lake of Fire. That Verse you quoted was not meant to say that all will return to GOD and "go to Heaven". And, I'm not saying that YOU meant that, but, I'm clarifying that for those who might think otherwise.
---Gordon on 2/11/12




Gordon: "Again, I tell you, Eternal Death is, indeed, NOT a "cessation of life"."

Do you own a dictionary? The first definition of "death" given by Webster is: "a permanent cessation of all vital functions : the end of life"

Death is the opposite of life, and yet you claim that they are the same. You would make our God who claims to be the God of love into a cruel monster who tortures His children endlessly. Would you do that to your children? Are you more loving than God?


---jerry6593 on 2/11/12


aka, What is it that's "RAISED UP" considering that the human body is 65-90% water the rest is a few trace elements and chemicals who's cells continually lose and renew atoms!
The brain pattern that constitutes your personality,memory,cognizence etc that is unequely you is what is "raised up" to life again!
---1st_cliff on 2/11/12


"Joseph, I'm also sorry we do not agree but I will not pursue this topic since I'm not heading in that direction."
I understand MarkV. Thank you for the exchange.
---joseph on 2/10/12


Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

GOD gaves us life and our character who we are is developed. This returns to GOD who on the day of our resurrection comes back.
---Samuel on 2/10/12


//Like what has disfellowship or shun have to do with resurrection???// there is a common argument used that "...." is not a word used in the bible (you use it also). that can be said for any word not in scripture. my point is that there are concepts that do not have a specific word for them in scripture. and, one side is not allowed to use that word even though they use words that are not in their either.

as far as resurrection, the actual word is not resurrection. it is a greek word that means a "raising up" and not a reconstitution based on God's memory. there are also examples of this in what i call scripture.
---aka on 2/10/12




The Word oh-lahm stg #5769 means a hidden or concealed period of time, and derives from ah-lahm stg 5956, which means hidden or concealed.Jonah1:17/2:16,Ex 21:6, Lev 16:34
It is mistranslated in English as forever/eternity/everlasting which is a concept that bears no relation to ancient Hebrew language usage of the word.
Praise God that He is Love and is greater than any other word.He alone is judge and Sent His Word in flesh to redeem...all who confess, whomsoever believe,
Y'sha-The door to the house [bet] is open - we must pay attention and know the season.

Die: Hebrew verb is used twice.
Gen 2:17 For in the day you eat [...] dying-(infinitive) you will die-(simple).
Why?
Without repentance, there is no [remission].
---char on 2/10/12


Joseph, I'm also sorry we do not agree but I will not pursue this topic since I'm not heading in that direction. I do look forward to the hope that is in Christ Jesus in the next life with you and many others. All other things will not matter anyway. Those going to hell, are on their own, I'm not going to be holding their hands, I'll hold your hand. Most of the answers Jesus gave concerning hell were symbolic. But just because they were, should not make anyone going there feel better, since the function of symbols is to point beyond themselves to a higher or more intense state of actuality than the symbol itself can contain. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/12


aka, Sorry but sometimes you're hard to figure out.
Like what has disfellowship or shun have to do with resurrection???
Those are terms used by JWs!
We were discussing what was brought back to life and I tried to point out that the general consensus was there was a rejoining of body and soul/spirit/ whatever is supposed to have left the body!
Jesus said "the dead" are raised.(brought back to life) Not that difficult to understand. If they never died how can they be brought back???
---1st_cliff on 2/10/12


Gordon, Eternal death is not death but life in another form? So the Muslims that blow themselves up actually get 72 virgins in their other form of life??? What did the virgins do to deserve that fate?? Cain is still screaming and yelling after 6,000 years of torture?
You can't really be serious,huh? You seem so sensible in other ways, maybe you're pulling our leg, right?
---1st_cliff on 2/10/12


//The duration of the sentence is eternal, but the method of punishment is utter destruction or the Second Death in the Lake of Fire. If eternal life has been given by Christ, then without His gift is truly the wages of sin, as the opposite of eternal life"---Mark_Eaton [...]Thank you both---joseph on 2/10/12//---Agree--Amen.
God Exist-Timeless, however, [adam-mankind]is subject to time.
Hebraic:time is in cycles-not linear.Both space and time exist in circular events.
[Olam] is hide or conceal-time periods unknown Is 33:14, Jer 23:40, Dan 12:2
Within God there is Life. He is the beginning and end of all things.Within Him-existence, Not Within Him-no existence. Cycle:Repentance for [adam] unto Remission-next cycle...
Shalom
---char on 2/10/12


Again, I tell you, Eternal Death is, indeed, NOT a "cessation of life". Those in Eternal Damnation will be alive forever to continually experience the Torments as punishment for their Sin and rebellion against their Creator GOD. "YAH" is HIS Name.
---Gordon on 2/10/12


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Isa. 26:14 Those experiencing it "shall utterly perish in their own corruption."

2 Pet. 2:12 It will be as though they had not been.

Psa.37:9,10 "They shall be destroyed forever".

Psa.92:7 "Punished with everlasting destruction."

2 Thes 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power,

Those who do not believe that the damned will cease to exist, only have one or maybe 2 verses of Scripture to defend their position.

It is all too easy to see that the church used fear to gain their political objectives. And what could be more fearful than to have to be tormented forever and forever?
---lee1538 on 2/10/12


cliff, never mind.

//What is not found in scripture are the words "resurrection of the body" //

i know what you mean...neither are the words "disfellowship" or "shun".
---aka on 2/10/12


"Joseph, "eternal death" is not the cessation of life." MarkV I certainly will not argue your belief. I will simply share with the community why I believe as I do regarding this subject. I believe the second death is eternal. As there will be no rising from it, no resurrection or re-standing to life. Isa. 26:14 Those experiencing it "shall utterly perish in their own corruption." 2 Pet. 2:12 It will be as though they had not been. Oba.16>Psa.37:9,10 "They shall be destroyed forever". Psa.92:7 "Punished with everlasting destruction." 2 Thes 1:9 I do not know of one place in scripture where the word "death" is not defined, by context, as a cessation of life, the cause, or result.
---joseph on 2/10/12


"My understanding in regards to "sin and death" is the opposite result of repentance which brings remission for [all](adam-adamah-mandkind)-whomsoever. Defined in the letter Bet-house, which is made up of three letter Vavs, and holds the gematria of 18, the value for life."---char
"The duration of the sentence is eternal, but the method of punishment is utter destruction or the Second Death in the Lake of Fire. If eternal life has been given by Christ, then without His gift is truly the wages of sin, as the opposite of eternal life"
---Mark_Eaton

This is exactly what I was attempting to convey. Thank you both.
---joseph on 2/10/12


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aka, I'm not sure what you're getting at unless it's the definition of "scripture" (a synonym for bible).
---1st_cliff on 2/9/12


cliff

//What is not found in scripture are the words "resurrection of the body" //

i know what you mean...neither are the words "disfellowship" or "shun".

as i asked, please tell me what is your scripture.
---aka on 2/9/12


Mark E, I believe the passages that I gave indicate the punishment is eternal concerning the passages I gave. The word "destruction" you gave has several meaning depending where you find it. It is the word "Apoleis" From 'apollumi" to destroy, ruin, lose. Trans. the losing or loss (Matt. 26:8), intrans. , perdiction, ruin. In the New Testament 'apoleia' refers to the state of perdition after death, exclusion from salvation. Destruction, either temporal (Acts 25:16: Acts 8:20), or eternal (Matt. 7:13: Phil. 1:28: 3:19: 2 Peter 2:1). Destruction or waste (Matt. 26:8: Mark 14:4).
So I'm glad we agree some, but sorry we don't agree all. I thank you for your answers and peace I leave you brother.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/12


aka, What is not found in scripture are the words "resurrection of the body" This is assumed to re enforce the notion that something separates and must be re-joined!
Jesus says the "dead" are resurrected not the dead bodies! (there's a difference!
---1st_cliff on 2/9/12


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Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,
Isaiah 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils

You actually belive that the breath of man has thought?

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.

So an animal has thought after they die since what happens to us also happens to them?
---francis on 2/8/12


Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,
Isaiah 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils

The word BREATH and SPIRIT are interchangable in some context

Our SPIRIT / breath is the air that we breath.

Proverbs 18:14 The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity, but a wounded spirit who can bear?

1 Samuel 1:15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I [am] a woman of a sorrowful spirit:

Spirit also means determination or will of a human

N B The spirit of MAN has NO thought, our WILL/ SPIRIT are created by our BRAIN which when we die cease to function

Only the Holy Spirit has thought because He is God
---francis on 2/8/12


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, for the memory of them is forgotten. ...
Speaks only of the body, not the spirit that is in man
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast:
Speaks only of the body, not the spirit that is in man

You really turn Jesus into some kind of fictional story teller and ignore what the Apostles & their immediate successors taught.

What else can you do but to twist the scripture to fit the views of your neo-galatian cult?
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


cliff //is not found in scripture!//

since your definition of resurrection is different than the Greek word, can you please define what you mean by scripture?
---aka on 2/8/12


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It astonishes me Adventists do not beleive in a consciousness after death
---lee1538 on 2/8/12
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished,
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
All go unto one place, all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
---francis on 2/8/12


At the root of this belief (something escaping the body)
are the Pharisees, who as a group believed in the immortality of the soul.(Holman's Dictionary p377)
With Paul as leader (absent from the body,,in the body out of the body etc) is it any wonder that this belief prevails?
Contrary wise Ez.18.4. the soul that sinneth, it shall die!
Seems that the super evangelists on here rather believe the Book of Mormon (Alma 42.9) "the soul can never die"!
---1st_cliff on 2/8/12


//If we READ THE BIBLE we would know
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, ....
---

There is nothing in the Bible that tells us anything about the capabilities of man's spirit after the body dies.

All the above verses Adventist quote refer only to the body.

It astonishes me Adventists do not beleive in a consciousness after death but in doing so they must totally reject the belief in hell where the damned are in torment until the day of judgment.

Of course, they have to maintain, like the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other cults, that the church became corrupt in its doctrine and that they were given a special annointing by God to reform the church.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


The consensus of Christendom seems to be that 2 or 3 persons occupy the same body,IE (soul,spirit,flesh)
They try to sort out which one leaves the flesh at death!
Truth: Your brain is you and your personalty stays with the body at death and decomposes!
Could not the blind spirit see, the deaf spirit hear?
What about the Schizophrenic spirit? Bi-polar, Downs,Autistic or even the insane?
There's only "one" you, resurrection will cure all these maladies!
---1st_cliff on 2/8/12


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we have no knowledge of what our spirit once it departs from our body is capable of.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12
If we READ THE BIBLE we would know
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished,

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Job 14:21 His sons come to honour, and he knoweth [it] not, and they are brought low, but he perceiveth [it] not of them.

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
---francis on 2/8/12


the punishment is eternal is (Matt. 25:46).
---Mark_V. on 2/8/12

I have no problem with your verses but they still do not tell the whole story.

Here is my counter-point.

The word DESTRUCTION is used most often to describe the eventual plight of the lost. The meaning of destruction in these verses is utter ruin, waste, elimination, total loss, and to be put to death.

Rom 9:22, Phil 1:28, Phil 3:19, 1 Tim 6:9, Heb 10:39, 2 Pet 2:1-3, 2 Pet 3:16, and Matt 7:13.

The duration of the sentence is eternal, but the method of punishment is utter destruction or the Second Death in the Lake of Fire
---Mark_Eaton on 2/8/12


We all seem to want to believe that the capabilities of the body will disappear upon death, but we have no knowledge of what our spirit once it departs from our body is capable of.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


aka, Not based solely on Eccl.9.5 but yes.
When your brain dies ,who can re-create it? Since "resurrection of the "body" is not found in scripture!
Since man (pagan) could not face the fact of expiring he has conjured up this myth that "something" keeps on living,whereas scripture says life is a gift from God the only one who can create/re-create life!
---1st_cliff on 2/8/12


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Mark E, the punishment is eternal is (Matt. 25:46). Which clearly tells us that those who didn't do something for others did not do it for Him are heading that way. "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"
In (Rom. 9:3) the word "Accursed" is "Anathema" which in this passage this word does not denote punishment intended as discipline, but being given over, or devotion to "eternal damnation."
(Isa. 33:14) talks about everlasting burning.
(Jer. 23"40) speaks of "everlasting reproach and a perpetiual shame which shall not be forgotten.
(Daniel 12:2) Some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/12


Spiritual death which is the paycheck for every man's slavery to sin...It never says the body stops feeling pain. In fact it tells us the pain is everlasting.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12

This is again the same issue we keep dancing around.

I am asking to see your Scriptural proof for the theory that unbelievers will be punished forever even after the White Throne judgment.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/7/12
---francis on 2/7/12


Spiritual death which is the paycheck for every man's slavery to sin...It never says the body stops feeling pain. In fact it tells us the pain is everlasting.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12

This is again the same issue we keep dancing around.

I am asking to see your Scriptural proof for the theory that unbelievers will be punished forever even after the White Throne judgment.

You have seen my proof several times in posts to you and to Christan. I can easily give it to you again if you need it.

Please do not tell me more about hades/hell. I understand what you are saying and I agree, prior to the final judgment. It is after that judgment where our opinions differ.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/7/12


cliff, so, based on ECC 9:5, you say that souls no longer exist after death and that only God remembers them. so, i guess you mean that the memory of them is reactivated. resurrection in its pure form means rising again.

so, you really define resurrection as the duplication and the activation of personality plus the creation of a new spirit body not a 'rising again'?
---aka on 2/7/12


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Mark E, there is only two inexorable absolutes after physical death,
1. Spiritual death which is the paycheck for every man's slavery to sin.
2. eternal life is a free gift God gives underserving sinners who believe in His Son (Eph. 2:8,9).
In hell, the unbelievers will have received a body prepared for hell, yet they will be spiritually dead to the blessings of God. A spirit cannot receive pain, the body will receive pain in hell. It never says the body stops feeling pain. In fact it tells us the pain is everlasting.
Believers on the other hand will receive eternal life with Christ. They too will receive a body prepared for heaven.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


---joseph on 2/7/12

Amen Joseph.
I agree with all your post.

My understanding in regards to "sin and death" is the opposite result of repentance which brings remission for [all](adam-adamah-mandkind)-whomsoever. Defined in the letter Bet-house, which is made up of three letter Vavs, and holds the gematria of 18, the value for life. The house of creation with it's master-Y'shua. Also defened in the very first word "Bereshyit". Gen1:1Jn1:14,Heb 3:4,
The elect are those chosen to stand before the spurious messiah so the Holy Spirit can speak through them. Not all believers-just those "chosen." Mk13
---char on 2/7/12


Is the sentencing of the lost. Who remain sinners under the law, and the "wages of sin is death". Death is a cessation of life.
---joseph on 2/7/12


I agree with your post. It is the full impact of your last statement that eludes most people.

If we consider that the wages of sin is death, then physical death cannot be the punishment for sin because we have been freed from sin and death by following Christ in death as Romans 6 teaches. Yet, we still have a physical death to give. Rather, it is the eternal death that must be seen here, as the opposite of eternal life. If eternal life has been given by Christ, then without His gift is truly the wages of sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/7/12


Joseph, "eternal death" is not the cessation of life. The cessation of life, is physical death. Spiritual life and eternal death have nothing whatsoever to do with physical death. The word "death" or "dead" is found in hundreds of places in Scripture, and the meaning comes depending on the context of the message where the word "death" is found in. It's easy for anyone to say this is what 'death' means, when it has many meanings.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


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Elder "now explain what happens to the spirit." Ecc 12:7
"The spirit" (representing "the life" in this verse) returns to the Father who gave it. 2nd witness Psa. 146:4 (NKJV) "His spirit departs", (He breaths his last breath) he returns to his earth, In that very day his 'plans' (thoughts, dreams, and desires) perish.
Leon "Joseph: What dies when, as you say, "one dies"?"
The living being. Job 17:11>Ecc 9:10>Jam 4:14
"...all 'live unto' Him..." "Where in the Bible does it say that?"
Luk 20:38.>Act 17:28>Job 12:10
"Who are the "we" you refer to ~ all humans?" Yes.
---joseph on 2/7/12


Leon I overlooked one of your questions.
You also asked "What's "With the Father"?"
My answer is the life of the departed.
MarkV "Joseph, I believe You forgot to add (v.36,37)." No. I did not. Verses 36 & 37 Is only applicable to the saved, and refers to the "resurrection of life", per verse 35. Verse 38 is applicable to all.
I agree with your post, with the exception of "yet all people.. will live forever. No one is annihilated in death (John 5:28-30)." "The resurrection of damnation," Is the sentencing of the lost. Who remain sinners under the law, and the "wages of sin is death". Death is a cessation of life.
---joseph on 2/7/12


Leon I would like to clarify something.
You asked "Who are the "we" you refer to ~ all humans?" I answered yes. However I just noticed that I used the word "we" twice. The answer was in reference to the first use of the word. Of course that answer can not be applied to the second usage. For that "we" does not refer to "all Humans", only the overcomers.
---joseph on 2/7/12


Holy Scripture states your spirit returns to GOD from where it came UNTIL the appointed time as taught by Apostles ...one denies the resurrection by claiming people don't "really die" they are "really alive" somewhere else which is a lie no man has life inherent and salvation would be a joke because one already HAS eternal life

to deny one DIES is to DENY the resurrection of all

1Corin 12-14,21,22... how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:... For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive
---Rhonda on 2/6/12


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aka, How many people do you know personally that lived a couple of hundred years ago?
Memory of them are forgotten but not by God!
How many will remember you in a few hundred years?
He's not talking about God's memory, God forgets nothing and no one unless He purposely does,like not writing them in the "book of life" (not that there is an actual book) God does not need one! (it's figurative)
---1st_cliff on 2/6/12


cliff, so the words of Solomon in the bible are inaccurate?
---aka on 2/6/12


Joseph, I believe You forgot to add (v.36,37). This passage is talking about those who are counted worthy to attain that age. This people are those born of the Spirit. In the Spirit they cannot die anymore for they are equal now to the angels who are spirit and are sons of God. Those who are genuine believers in the Spirit, God is their God and also the God of those who do not believe "for all live unto Him" Spiritually all genuine believers are alive to God spiritually. yet all people-whether departed from their bodies or not-are still living and will live forever. No one is annihilated in death (John 5:28-30). He is not the God of the dead, but of the living even if the person doesn't believe in God.
---Mark_V. on 2/6/12


aka, So your thought is "Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit"?
Ordinarily that would be so, but Revelation says if your name is written in the Lambs book of life!
Which really is God's memory!
It's not as though nothing exists, "you" exist in God's memory, and can be re-created (resurrected)at His will!
With God,it doesn't have to be something tangible!
---1st_cliff on 2/6/12


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You guys ~ oy vey!!! :)

Joseph: What dies when, as you say, "one dies"? What's "With the Father"?

"...we all live on in the Father...all 'live unto' Him..." Where in the Bible does it say that? Who are the "we" you refer to ~ all humans?

Cliff: You say your soul won't exist after your body dies. But, when it's resurrected a new soul will replace your old, none existing one. Won't that be a totally different you, oblivious to your old soul's prior life experiences? Isn't that some sorta pseudo-reincarnation? I say pseudo because people who believe in such think the old soul simply returns to a new body. But, you believe the old soul perishes at death.
---Leon on 2/5/12


It is this breath combined with a "dust of the ground" body that makes a living soul.
Remove the breath and the soul ceases to exist.
only resurrection can restore the soul!
---1st_cliff on 2/5/12

what do you mean restore? if the breath is removed, as you said, then the soul no longer exists. in fact, you quote part of Ecc 9:5 which also states that "remembrance of them has been forgotten" (NWT). Then, if a soul does not exist anymore for lack of essential ingredients and there is no memory of the soul, the how can it be restored even by resurrection?

you can only restored something that was stored, so why would God resurrect something that no longer exists by His power?
---aka on 2/5/12


Strong's Concordance: 4151 pnema properly, spirit (Spirit), wind, or breath. The most frequent meaning (translation) of 4151 (pnema) in the NT is "spirit" ("Spirit"). Only the context however determines which sense(s) is meant.

[Any of the above renderings (spirit-Spirit, wind, breath) of 4151 (pnema) is always theoretically possible (spirit, Spirit, wind, breath). But when the attributive adjective ("holy") is used, it always refers to the Holy Spirit. "Spirit" ("spirit") is by far the most common translation (application) of 4151 (pnema).

The Hebrew counterpart (rach) has the same range of meaning as 4151 (pnema), i.e. it likewise can refer to spirit/Spirit, wind, or breath.]
---lee1538 on 2/5/12


1st we need to define "spirit"
Strong's concordance says the primary meaning is (Heb.ruach/Gr.pneuma)air, breath wind etc..
We all know at death your last breath is expelled.
God breathed into Adam the "breath" of life, and at death it left him as it does all of us...back to God who breathed it in the first place!
It is this breath combined with a "dust of the ground" body that makes a living soul.
Remove the breath and the soul ceases to exist.
only resurrection can restore the soul!
---1st_cliff on 2/5/12


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OK, Joseph. You explained what happens to the body now explain what happens to the spirit.
---Elder on 2/5/12


Joseph, I glad to see someone on here who knows the right answer.
Most are steeped in their traditional "religion" and refuse to "upgrade"
---1st_cliff on 2/5/12


John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

Yes, we may beleive that if we believe in Him we shall never die.

The early church believed that the believers spirit goes to be with the Lord at death and does this not set precedence for what we would believe?
---lee1538 on 2/5/12


"So, where are you if there is no body?" ---Bill_willa6989. With the Father.
Contain within His mind, plan, and purpose for ones eternity. "The very hairs of your head are all numbered." Mat 10:30
When one dies, one is for all one's individual intent, and purposes, dead, until the Father awakens that one at the resurrection. However we all live on in the Father, for "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living, for all 'live unto' Him." Luk 20:38. Father know the DNA structuring of each and every one of us, our every thought, as well as our thought pattern, and we will be restored in the complete glorified essence of our being "At the last day". Jhn 6:54
---joseph on 2/5/12


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If you die after being caught by an alligator . . . the alligator can digest even the bones of your body. So, where are you if there is no body?

Ok, maybe your fingernails and toenails don't get digested. So if allie dumps the nails, they can be in twenty different places. So, where would your soul be if it stays with your body that now is twenty different toesie and finger nails?
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/4/12


If...
Ezekiel 18:21 "But [if the wicked] will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die."
//Eze 18:4Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
---aka on 2/3/12//---Amen.
//"Does anything leave your body at death?" Yes.
The "breath of life". The life giving essence of the Father.---joseph on 2/3/12//---Amen.

Praise Elohyim for His Word and Spirit-Power of Resurrection.
Repentance brings remission
---char on 2/4/12


christan, thank you but ALL the glory be to God who gave it to anyone that hears.
---aka on 2/4/12


Gases caused by decomposition.
---atheist on 2/4/12


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aka, my sincere apologies for saying it was anon who provided the Ecc 8:8 Scripture when it was actually you. And I see that the Lord has led you to another in Ecc 12:7, simply telling us that the spirit of the man belongs to God, to do as He pleases.

Trey, we have to be specific and that not every spirit goes to be with the Lord. Only His people (the believers) will go to be with Him in eternal bliss. Whereas the reprobates goes to where God has purposed them to go, eternal death.
---christan on 2/3/12


Our spirit and our soul goes to be with God!
Re6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Re6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Ec12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---trey on 2/3/12


Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
---aka on 2/3/12


Excellent quote from Ecc 8:8, anon. Love it!

"There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit, neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war, neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it."

However, truth be told, God is Spirit and not man and guess who the soul and spirit of the man belongs to? And not only that, "But our God is in the heavens: He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased." Psalm 115:3

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are NOT ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL: but rather fear Him which is able to DESTROY BOTH SOUL and BODY in hell." Matthew 10:28
---christan on 2/3/12


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Ecc 8:8 No man has power to retain the spirit, or power over the day of death. There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it.
---aka on 2/3/12


The spirit goes back to God who gave it.
---Eloy on 2/3/12


"Does anything leave your body at death?" Yes.
The "breath of life". The life giving essence of the Father.
---joseph on 2/3/12


Christian, Just like the Rich man, you have "the prophets" (OT) Like Eccl.9.5 "The dead know nothing!"
Ez.18.4 "the soul that sinneth ,it shall die"
Psl.146.4 "In that day his thought perish"
If you don't believe them , then you ain't gonna believe me!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/12


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Yeah. Your SOUL leaves your body at death.
---Gordon on 2/3/12


Popa Bear, I appreciate your counsel, and don't mind a little wager here or there, but I never gamble with my life!
It's just that I don't want to get caught up in this pagan mythological smoke and mirrors table rapping "religion".
Belief in Christ and the way to salvation is not all that Mystical!
Simply, The wages of sin is death,(you know , the real kind where they put you in the ground)the gift of God is eternal life (the kind Adam was offered before he sinned)!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/12


Your ability to breath.
---Blogger9211 on 2/3/12


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