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"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil." Jer13:23

Free-willers: Yes we can!

"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." Matt12:34

Free-willers: Yes we can!

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." Matt7:18

Free-willers: Yes we can!

"Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matt19:25,26

Free-willers: Yes it's possible!
---christan on 2/9/12


MarkV, you fail to believe this verse.
John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.

The one you quoted in John was when Jesus was on earth. However the one Jesus spoke in John 12:32 is referring to His death and resurrection also stating that Jesus Himself will do the DRAWING.

Those who were drawn to Jesus BEFORE He went to the Cross,while on earth WERE drawn by the Father...for a purpose...to be disciples of Jesus and to be witnesses to His death and resurrection as scripture teaches OVER ...500 witnessed this as Acts tells us, along with HIS APOSTLES ..12 of them of which Judas was too one of them.

NO ONE can come TO THE FATHER except through His Son.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/12


Tommy8976, are you sure?
Justification and Sanctification happen at the same time!

Doesnt change what I said. Both come by God not man.
But as I read its, Justification comes by faith.
And Sanctification comes by truth.
But sounds like a good blog question.

For once I agree with francis.
Never bow out, fight a good fight.
God bless you
---TheSeg on 2/9/12


No Christan you are the one who twist the word of God to make it fit into your doctrine of no free will. YOU PRESUME Rahab was rebirthed first before believing the REPORTS. You believe Nineveh was rebirthed before beliving Jonah.

No such scripture states anyone was rebirthed first PROVING they were God's elect before they put their faith in God.

And the enemies of the CROSS christan are those who twart the Cross and believe they were saved apart from the cross...that would be YOU!

Genesis 3:15 was announced right from the beginning and is the ONLY FOUDATION for salvation....God's EVERLASTING COVENANT, THAT you fail to grasp completely!
---kathr4453 on 2/9/12


Christan, you do not understand the Everlasting Covenant. THIS covenent was between God the Word and the Holy Spirit before the foundation of the world. God never made a covenant with YOU before the foundation of the World...ALL in Hebrews 11 are saved through the Everlasting Covenent, not God's good humor.

Our salvation has been SECURED through this Covenant, and explained in Hebrews 13:20-21. Jesus was RAISED from the dead through the BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Salvation is in CHRIST ALONE and through His Blood.

Jesus death and resurrection is that GIFT OF GRACE by which man can be saved and secured for all eternity. EVERLASTING!!!

And who so ever believes in Him God has PROMISED eternal life.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/12




Kathr, you have a will, to go to the toilet, to hold it as long as you can, but that will works by a desire, your desire is not to pee in your pants. Your will was not free, it had a desire. If it had a desire how could it be free?
Your will desires to reject the Truth, it's not free. So do all those who are lost. Their will is in bondage to sin, it is not free. The believers will is in bondage to Christ, they desire to do the will of God.
"Therefore I have said to you that no one "can" come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father" (John 6:65). The words "no one" are all-inclusive. No exception. He is not saying no one is allowed, but "No one is able"
---Mark_V. on 2/9/12


kathr, to avoid Sovereign Election by God, you twist and turn the Word of God to suit your venomous poison of "free-will" that Nineveh repented on their own without God moving them to repentance.

The Bible is complete with revelations and explanations by the apostles who wrote the Epistles and yet you deny that God has elected. You're a perfect definition of the word "enmity to God". Were Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Rahab Jews? Yet they were God's elect. The Bible just called you a liar!

"Just as those in Nineveh believed Jonah's words, and repented." Scripture never said "believed Jonah's words", it says "So the people of Nineveh believed God"! Great difference!
---christan on 2/8/12


//Justification and Sanctification happen at the same time, Rom5:1-2, 1Cor6:11, Acts26:18-21
You cannot seperat the process.

Agree that they both start at the same time, but according to the theologians, sanctification is a life time process that ends in glorification when we see Christ face to face.

While we are in the flesh we will always have our sin (1 John 1:8),howbeit, we can expect to have all of our sin taken away when we see the Lord. Sin comes from the flesh, the world & the devil, and after we receive new spiritual bodies, none of these 3 will be applicable.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


I will kindly bow out of this blog,
---Tommy8976 on 2/8/12

I think that you are doing a great job.
No need to bow out
---francis on 2/8/12


NO! Justification and Sanctification happen at the same time, Rom5:1-2, 1Cor6:11, Acts26:18-21
You cannot seperat the process.
---Tommy8976 on 2/8/12




Tommy8976
no sin is recorded./Then ask yourself why?/ Rom_3:20
I don't think so./Mat_5:22
its a lousily argument./Not if you understood!
and many more, the soul who sins shall die./Joh_12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

I just cant see the holy spirit dwelling in a vile sinner waiting to get born again/Act 2:1-8!

by the prophet Joel
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh!

For the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice!
Forgive me Tommy
God bless
---TheSeg on 2/8/12


I will kindly bow out of this blog, I am not teaching sinless perfection, in any way, just repentance and faith proven in the word. true repentance purifies the heart, 2 Cor 7-10-11, Acts 3-19, Isa 55-7, and many more, the soul who sins shall die, Eze, 18-20. Jesus came to save us out of our sins, and I just cant see the holy spirit dwelling in a vile sinner waiting to get born again, then repent of thier vile sins. If most of you are still in a church, that teaches original sin, substitution,osas, and teaches you get saved IN your sins you are in great delusion. 2 Thess 2-10-11.
---Tommy8976 on 2/8/12


What about Ezk14:14, Noah, Daniel, and Job...... Delivered by thier own righteousness. Many others also, no sin is recorded, the Prophets, Joseph, Joshua..... David is a very poor example to site, since you reap what you sow and in his case the sin, although forgiven, ruined his life. Moses on the other hand showed anger, is that listed as a sin unto death? I don't think so.
So what are they really saying?? All Christians wallow in every vile sin, but that's ok because no one is perfect? its a lousily argument.
---Tommy8976 on 2/8/12


Christan, just as John 17:20 says, "And those who believe on me THROUHG THEIR WORD" The THEIR here is God's chosen, His Elect Church, as WE go into all teh world and are commissioned to preach the Gospel, preaching reconcilliation....BE YE reconciled to God.

For God so loved the world that HE GAVE His only begottenSon, that Who so ever believes in Him (JESUS) will not perish but have eternal life!

Just as those in Nineveh believed Jonah's words, and repented. PRAISE GOD!!
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


christan, i am so glad you finally opened your bible and read Jonah. Again, Jonah never said REPENT OR God will destroy you...Jonah just announded in 40 day they would be destroyed PERIOD. THEY of their own chose to repent in hopes God would turn away His wrath.

Nineveh was not God's elect chosen people, as God never made a covenant with Gentiles.

So your THEORY of election here is way off base.

Israel was called to be a LIGHT TO THE NATIONS! Jonah demonstrated that light, just as the Church is the light of the world today.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


--- (p. 190, Essentials Truths of the Christian Faith, RC Sproul)
---lee1538 on 2/8/12




REALLY, What does GOD SAY?

James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness
It was Abraham's FAITH that was accounted or imputed for righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


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Actually Lee, thats is straight out of scripture. It doesnt matter what the pastors say.

Romans 5

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

His death justifies us. His life IN us thru the Spirit saves us.
---JackB on 2/8/12


I read an interesting essay that better explains what I think most of us who arent Calvinist are trying to say.

Google: "How do you respond to Romans 9?" It might just help a few of you understand. God Bless
---JackB on 2/8/12


Yes I also once had the freedom to Choose whether I wanted to marry but my WILL just wouldn't let me.

I had the choice to choose what color toilet paper I wanted in my bathroom, but again, my will just wouldn't let me.

And then again, I had the choice to hold it or wait until I got home, and here again, my will just wouldn't let me.

Question, what then is one's will?
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


Can the "in" here be look at any other what?
God was manifest in the flesh
justified in the Spirit <<< does this mean before
believed on in the world

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

How do you see it?
---TheSeg on 2/8/12


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We are not saved through lack of sin only, for Christ took care of sin through the cross many years ago so we could be justified. We are now only saved by the life of christ within us.
All we need is to have true faith in Him and His work.
---duane on 2/8/12


kathr, open your eyes and heart to the understanding of the Scriptures. This was the call to repentance from Jonah,"And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Jonah 3:4

This was repentance by the Ninevites: "So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them." Jonah 3:5

And God's mercy: "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way, and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not." Jonah 3:10

Go read the Bible you say?
---christan on 2/8/12


"Aslo, you are now suggesting WITH YOUR DOCTRINE that Israel's greatest enemies were ALSO GOD's ELECT??" kathr

To begin, you don't even belief in Sovereign Election by Grace and you question election? Didn't God declare, "Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will he hardeneth."

Didn't God show mercy to the Ninevites in Jonah 3:10? And continued to rebuke Jonah by saying, "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand, and also much cattle?"

You have a problem with whom God shows mercy to? Are you a lesser sinner than the Ninevites?
---christan on 2/8/12


JackB//free will.. is our God given ability to reason, to weigh out the facts given to us and make a decision to either call upon Jesus Christ to give us new life or to deny who He is because we dont want to change.

Huh!!!!

More exacly free will is simply the capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives. But if an alternative is not given such as the offer of salvation, can free will really have a choice. If you answered NO, you got the right answer.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


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Please forgive me.
But, if you believe man has a will that can work for God.
Go ahead, fight me on this.

There is no other will, but that of God!
Heb_10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
The Bible!

Joh_1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

2Pe_1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If you think you can pick God or say no to him?
You dont know Pop.
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/8/12


//We first have to be justified by HIS BLOOD anf THEN we are saved by HIS LIFE, that is HIS LIFE in us.

Kathryn is entitled to her OPINION, howbeit, any minister of a Christian church would say that "Justification is an act of God whereby He declares unjust sinners to be just AFTER He has imputed to them the righteousness of Christ." (p. 190, Essentials Truths of the Christian Faith, RC Sproul)
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


they have freedom to choose, but their "will" won't let them---MarkV

Huh? Mark, sometimes I wonder if you even understand what we are speaking of when we talk about free will. It is our God given ability to reason, to weigh out the facts given to us and make a decision to either call upon Jesus Christ to give us new life or to deny who He is because we dont want to change.

Every man has that choice. Otherwise God cannot justly condemn a man for rejecting Christ.
---JackB on 2/8/12


Tommy I agree, that is why one needs to first be JUSTIFIED before God's Spirit can indwell and we be joined to Christ.

We first have to be justified by HIS BLOOD anf THEN we are saved by HIS LIFE, that is HIS LIFE in us.

Justification is not our born again experience, but our LEGAL standing before God as God imputes to us the righteousness of Christ. He must FIRST declare one Not Guilty, based upon our faith in His Son.

Our joiniung with Christ receiving a NEW LIFE is based upon our death and resurrection with Christ. It's the raising up together with Christ that we receive our Born Again, born of the Spirit of God life.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


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Tommy8976
Would you say, even to look upon sin is sin? Im not asking you what God said.
Im asking you what you think! Now you can answer anyway you want.
And I'll believe you!

One more!
Was Moses saved? He walked with God, spoke to God and saw God.
But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him!
But when they needed water did he sin, before God?


James_L
Actually, the best answer is that everyone will be saved. Really!
Well, just when is this? When God finishes is work?

Seeing as Gen 2:1-3!
Seems to me all thats left is for us to enter in to that rest.
Joh 14:1-4 and the way ye know.
Peace!
---TheSeg on 2/8/12


//we are not saved IN our sins.

Yes, there are many that strive to clean themselves of all their sins before they come to faith. And that is wrong.

Our sins fall away in the process of the Holy Spirit we call sanctification.

While in the flesh, you will never become perfect by your own efforts. And like small children we learn to walk in the faith and become obedient under His discipline.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Are you an Adventist? Jerry once implied that we are saved only after we reach a state of perfection. But I believe that like most Adventists, he is very confused in his beliefs.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


I opened this blog with a simple question, and made it clear the sin must stop BEFORE mercy will be granted by God, we are not saved IN our sins. Do you actually believe the city of Nineveh got born again then repented as they did? This is pure conjecture, no one in the gospel got saved In thier sins, then recieved the spirit still defiled. read my comments, then all the scriptures I sent.
---Tommy8976 on 2/8/12


\\If you really believe Christ died for the sins of the world.
Then why isnt everybody saved?\\
---TheSeg on 2/7/12

Actually, the best answer is that everyone will be saved. Maybe not in the sense that you are thinking, but in 1Cor 15:20-22, Paul says that in Adam all die, and in Christ all will live. Compare the wording to Romans 5, and it is almost verbatim at points. And Romans 5:10 calls our resurrection "saved by His life"
---James_L on 2/8/12


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Jack B, I don't rant and rave. I just tell you the truth. I'm not arrogant, for I am not for myself. I speak for the word of God. Everyone has a choice alright, but not everyone has his "will free." The lost "will" is in bondage to sin. Get that right. If it was free it would not be in bondage. They would not be slaves to sin. So again you are wrong. No one puts a gun to anyone's head, they have freedom to choose, but their "will" won't let them choose Christ because they are not only in bondage to sin, but are at enmity against God. God has to first break that enmity, when He draws you to Him. If you don't believe it, I cannot make you. As a believer I was commanded to tell you.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/12


christan, I said Jonah never once said "REPENT" when he went into nineveh. You can read can't you? or is this the issue with you? Here you thought I was referring to Jonah repenting?? Well, maybe that is the problem with you, you simply cannot read what someone said. Funny how that seems to be an issue with markv too.

Aslo, you are now suggesting WITH YOUR DOCTRINE that Israel's greatest enemies were ALSO GOD's ELECT??

Christan, please get a Bible and read it.

AND christan, please find scripture backing your THEORY of why Johan didn't want to go into Nineveh. DID GOD'S WORD say that was why ...or is this just another of your FABRICATIONS.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


Go ask any Jew and they will assure you ....christan////


christan, you can't believe how I'm laughting here. NOW go ask any Jew, since you obviously know so may to ask, if Nineveh was God's elect too...and what will they say?

The answer christan is in the book of Jonah..... That God is a merciful God, and Jonah openly admits to God that that is what Jonah was afraid of. Jonah was angry because GOD FORGAVE the Ninevites. Jonah didn't sit back and say...OW WEEEE, they must be the ELECT TOO Praise God.

Noe here's an assignment.

List all Gentile Nations who LOVED Israel, and all who hated Israel and the God of Israel.

What was the outcome of each?

400 years later God DESTROYED NINEVEH!
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


So in conclusion christan, maybe our OWN version of Jonah should be a lesson to you, unless you too find yourself in teh end stiiing in a dung heap pouting because things just aren't or don't turn out the way you want or see it.

Becareful of your ATTITUDE toward others YOU feel are not deserving of God's love and mercy...who you consider depraved and evil. You never know if they are God's ELECT from before the foundation of the world.

Jonah has 2 lessons, God's grace and mercy
2...the total humiliation of Jonah's attitude towards others he felt was unworthy of God's love
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12


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Let me ask you. If you really believe Christ died for the sins of the world.
Then why isnt everybody saved? The best answer is because not everyone believes.
Well then, why doesnt everybody believe? Maybe you should stop right here and answer.

Joh_12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh_12:38-41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

You do understand it says "He had!" Do they have a choice, freewill?
Are you going to tell me, you can change the things God had done?
So, should I worry about you, because you dont believe this?
Wouldnt I then be a fool?
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/7/12


But you MUST Understand, Stopping your sin (or addiction) DOES NOT automatically restore you to favor with anyone. It only PROVES that you are making a sincere & Diligent effort to Change. As in the case of Adultery. Abandoning the adulterous relationship will not automatically reconcile the broken marriage relationship. It only Proves your remorse and sorrow for causing the separation. The offended party must be motivated by the effort made to Freely Grant forgiveness and restore the relationship
---Tommy8976 on 2/7/12


God has Granted Man the Grace of Repentance PROVEN by DEEDS, to Forgive his sins and Restore him to a Right and Clean Relationship, Washed & Purged by the Blood of Christ. Man is Free to Choose, which makes him responsible to Obey. (Josh24:15) We are Workers Together with God in the Process of Redemption. (2Cor6:1) The Pastors have fallen prey to a Deadly Error by insisting man must be Saved in his sins. Flee them if you Can!
---Tommy8976 on 2/7/12


kathr, you obviously don't have your history right. Go ask any Jew and they will assure you that the Assyrians and Ninevites were Israel greatest sworned enemies that God has raised. Hence Jonah's reluctance to go to Nineveh since he was a Jew. BTW, did God tell you Jonah never repented? Talk about twists and turns. You do it so much you have no idea what you're jabbering about.

"You really underestimate the POWER OF GOD and HIS WORD, making God dependent on man to change first before His power can convict." These are your words of poison and not mine. I said, "the Ninevites were indeed God's elect. Whether Jonah went to preach repentance God was already going to save them." What a great difference of opinion!
---christan on 2/7/12


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God gave man free will and ability, the vile sins must stop in real repentance and faith proven by deeds. 2 Cor 10-11 explains this well. You are not saved in your vile sins, hoping God will clean you up in the process, OS, Substitution, moral transfer, penal sub, OSAS, were added to the Bible during the reformation, and not taught by the early church, OS is a pagan teaching right from the gnostics, and Augistine, we all must dig deep, build our foundation on truth, or be led into perdition, dont take my word on this, search it out, and you will be amazed at what you will find!
---Tommy8976 on 2/7/12


Kathr...Why don't you want Him to get the glory?--MarkV

Mark maybe the reason one of the reasons she is angry with you is because you are arrogantly presumptuous towards her and those who disagree with you and make comments such as this.

If YOU see God giving man the freedom to choose to accept Christ as their Lord and Savior as somehow robbing God of the glory then that is your opinion. Maybe praying for wisdom on the matter would be better than hurling false accusations?

Our belief that Christ died for every man, just as scripture declares, in NO way robs God of the glory of his salvation.
---JackB on 2/7/12


Nothing given to Christians in the New Testament to do for righteousness can't be done nor is it optional to do it. 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God did not call us to be impure,but to live a holy life. We are no longer slaves to sin but servants to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. That is what Christians must do resist temptation,we sin when led away by our own lust but its up to us to rebuke all lust from us,not to give into the devils tricks. Just as Jesus fought Satan when he tried to tempt him,so must we. If we live by the Law of Love and example of Christ we will fight the good fight of faith and not sin. Thoughts aren't sin unless you entertain them instead of rebuking them in Jesus Name.
---Darlene_1 on 2/7/12


Only for Christ to declare unto you, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Yes, we must DO the will of the Father. My question is WHAT WILL of the Father are YOU DOING???? Since YOU believe you don't have to DO anything!

So please STOP and THINK before throwing out accusations to others when they disagree with you!
---kathr4453 on 2/7/12


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Sorry Chrisan, the Ninivites didn't DO anything to Israel and Jonah never ONCE said REPENT!!!

I love HOW you twist scripture to accomidate your false teaching that man is so depraved he doesn't even know he's a sinner and has to be born again FIRST 5minutes to 5 days before hearing anything.

However scripture states the WORD of God itself is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword piercing between soul and spirit, bone and marrrow.

You really underestimate the POWER OF GOD and HIS WORD, making God dependent on man to change first before His power can convict.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/12


MarkV
You tell Kath,
//Kathr, you are so full of it. First you contradict God's word, then rant alot with no Scripture.//
After you said,
//I know the passage does not mean what is written.//
The pot calling the kettle black??
---michael_e on 2/7/12


Kathr, I have never heard anyone say what you say so many times, I really don't know who is on the other side, you said,

"it's no skin off my teath"

What is teath? Is that another religious word you coup up? And if you meant "teeth" I really never heard anyone say that.
Kathr, why have you been so angry with me through a few years when all I was doing was giving the glory to God in Salvation? Why don't you want Him to get the glory? Your fight for man's free will is hopeless, for hope only come through Christ, who is God. Without Him you can do nothing. Why is that so hard to accept?
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


Markv and Christan, the difference between your false doctrine and the truth of scripture lie in these verses. Take it or leave it...it's no skin off my teath that you DO NOT believe God when He stated....

Amos 3
1Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

2You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.


Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/12


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What I find interesting too is the strange non explination of how 5 minutes before Jonah went into Nineveh ALL the whole of the city was rebirthed/born again miraculously and their dead adam spirits came alive SO THAT they could hear and repent. So in order for one to hear and believe one needs to be rebirthed FIRST in order to hear and believe...

So is one rebirthed 5 minute, 15 minutes, 1 hour a day week month etc before anyone preaches? AND like those in nineveh, God sends someone to tellyou He is going to DESTROY you. Then you BEG for mercy, and walla, you are saved, elect!

STRANGE Gospel..and no Gospel at all.

When did Jonah sacrifice a lamb?
---kathr4453 on 2/7/12


Helloooooo kathr, good to see you stalking my blog replies.

On the contrary, the Ninevites were indeed God's elect. Whether Jonah went to preach repentance God was already going to save them. Jonah was merely a representation of a self-righteous man who hated the Ninevites for what they did to Israel. What Jonah failed to recognize was that he too was a sinner before God and was saved by the sheer grace of God, just like the Ninevites and Christians.

How do you like the doctrine of Sovereign Grace through election and predestination? It must be eating you from the inside out to know "God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise... That no flesh should glory in his presence."
---christan on 2/7/12


Kathr, you are so full of it. First you contradict God's word, then rant alot with no Scripture. Then use religious talk to sound like you know what you are talking about. Just a lot of nonesense again.
You said,
"If they were God cound not remove the Holy Spirit from Saul anymore than He can remove it from YOU christan!"
Hello? what in all the earth are you talking about? "Don't you understand that the Holy Spirit is God?"
God can indwell, fill, come upon anyone He so desires. And He did indwell many in the Old Testament, came upon many, and filled many. With David He came upon him from the day he was annointed (1 Sam. 16:13).
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


Peter, are you implying that David was without anymore sin after he believed? Or for that matter, a Christian? David was indeed born of the Spirit, hence he could acknowledge his sins and repent. But he never said that he was not sinning in the flesh anymore.////

Yes and all those too in Nineveh were also born again of teh Spirit first too so they could acknowledge their sin and repent. AND They were not even God's Chosen elect people.

YEA!!!Isn't that right christan....
---kathr4453 on 2/6/12


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And it is written that if you convert a sinner away from his error, saving his soul from death, it will hide a multitude of your own sins.
---Steveng on 2/6/12


1Pe 2:24 He Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that dying to sins, we might live to righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.
How we perceive the death of Christ on the cross, will have profound effects of how we live and act as a follower of Jesus Christ! What is being taught today is Christ bore all our sins on the cross, past, present and future, its a done deal, we are free and clear, nothing more to do, except try to sin less than those of the world,
---Tommy8976 on 2/6/12


Romans 4 clearly tell us David's sins were COVERED, but not removed. NO SIN was completely washed away until Jesus shed HIS BLOOD! The Blood of bulls and goats could NEVER wash away sin....Hebrews 10, it only COVERED SIN Until Christ died and rose again.

Jesus resurrection PROVES that God accepted Jesus sacrifice for sin.

David was anointed by the Holy Spirit because he was a KING, he was not indwelt.

God removed this anointing from Saul...proving they were not indwelt. If they were God cound not remove the Holy Spirit from Saul anymore than He can remove it from YOU christan!

Talk about the blind leading teh blind!
---kathr4453 on 2/6/12


"David, like all of us, had his sin removed when he believed"

Peter, are you implying that David was without anymore sin after he believed? Or for that matter, a Christian? David was indeed born of the Spirit, hence he could acknowledge his sins and repent. But he never said that he was not sinning in the flesh anymore.

Here's the key to his salvation, "And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin, thou shalt not die." And how was this possible? Romans declared, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Yes, Christ died for David.
---christan on 2/6/12


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Christian: 'And David must have been babbling lies when he declared...' about being conceived in sin.

I don't think so, though I may be wrong. David, like all of us, had his sin removed when he believed - not when he was conceived. I take it (sorry if we don't agree, I respect your view greatly) that David's sin (like his sin of killing Uriah the Hittite) remained with him until he asked God for forgiveness.

Maybe I am making a mistake?

Sorry to disagree with you

PS: When David wrote the Psalm, God had forgiven him
---Peter on 2/5/12


---josef on 2/4/12 well stated, amen
---chria9396 on 2/5/12


"we are not born sinners" Tommy8976

Have you not read, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:8-10

And David must have been babbling lies when he declared, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psalm 51:5

For now, the truth is not in you and you're being deceived.
---christan on 2/5/12


Trish, I think you were clear.
But, you did say We are only able to stop any sin with the power of the Holy Spirit, which is only available to us when we are saved.

If we are already saved, how is it we do not have the Spirit of God?
And do you know anyone who does not sin by the law? All have sinned.

Ill even go as far as to say by the law, all will continue to sin!
But in Christ these sins are forgiven.

So there must be another sin, one which is not on to death, but on to life!
1Jn_5:16-17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

A Sin not onto death?
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/5/12


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It is my understanding that when one becames a Christian he or she become born of God's Spirit and takes on a new nature.

2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, behold, the new has come.

However, while the Christian may be born spiritually and has a new nature, he or she is but a child learning to walk in the faith.

In sanctification, sins fall away as directed by God's Spirit, the believer does not become perfect in every way in his walk. Some grow rapidly in the faith, while others struggle for a lifetime.
---lee1538 on 2/5/12


Repentance is an urgent desire to change! (2 Corinthians 7:11) You believe from your heart. You obey to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) He comes into a clean vessel. A heart made pure by faith (obedience) Acts 15:9) you obey and keep obeying, daily, to keep your heart pure and undefiled from the world! (1 Peter 1:22) That's how it works! Genuine repentance involves humility, brokenness and is a humiliating experience. When the true light of God's word floods into your soul, you see yourself as you are, in rebellion to God! This is

---Tommy8976 on 2/5/12


No one mentioned repentance and faith proven by deeds, we are not born sinners, ECC 7-29, we have free choice, and ability, the sin must stop in repentance, 2 Cor7-10-11,repentance doesnt save you, Jesus does, but it makes you saveable. James 1-21-22. We are workers with God, in our salvation, you dont get saved IN your sins, but out of them in repentance. Isa 55-7.
---Tommy8976 on 2/5/12


If anyone can stop sinning they must stop thinking, for it is written that when a person even thinks about a sin, it is a sin. This is why the bible could never be written by man, but of God.

Besides, there are many warnings in the new testament about christians backsliding and turning away from God. It is a prophesy that is today being fulfilled.
---Steveng on 2/5/12


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Christan, you twisted everything I said in my post. I said we can't stop sinning till after our salvation. Reread my post.
---Trish on 2/5/12


All sin must stop.
---Eloy on 2/5/12


The world will be convicted of sin "BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME (JESUS). John 16:9
---Haz27 on 2/5/12


Tommy8976, if one needed to STOP sinning in order to be saved, then one does not need Jesus Christ and His power within to be delivered, forgiven, cleansed and washed of sin.

SELF does not have the power to cast out self. That's WHY we need Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 2/5/12


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trish, your answer is on target. You explained it perfectly. Thanks. We are all sinners in need of salvation. That doesn't make us all perfect...because we still have these sinful bodies. We can overcome by the Blood of the Lamb.
---shira4368 on 2/5/12


Trish, where did you learn of such a doctrine that "Is there any sin one must stop to be saved?" For if you can stop sinning then the truth is, Jesus never died for your sins at Calvary. And adding unto your sin of unbelief is to tell God that He is obligated to save you because you have stopped sinning.

By the way, we have MANY MANY sins, not just one. I counsel you, please leave whoever is teaching you of such "salvation", for it is really damnation you are adding on to your soul if you really belief in this doctrine.
---christan on 2/4/12


"Is there any sin one must stop to be saved?" Yes.
The sin of Unbelief concerning the enduring sufficiency, of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, for the salvation of mankind. Yet "This is the work of God, [in us] that [we] believe in Him whom He sent." (Jhn 6:29) It is important for us to remember that "it is God who works in [us] both to will and to do His good pleasure." (Phl 2:13) Therefore we are admonished to Yield ourselves "as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is [our] spiritual worship." (Rom 12:1) And those of us who truly worship Him, know that we must do it in reliance upon His Spirit, to lead us into His Truth, and to empower us to live out that truth.
---josef on 2/4/12


Yes well, that is to say, as I believe.
I believe God sent Christ here for the forgiveness for sin. Act_26:18
Christ also told the world, if you believe my words. Joh_6:63
But, not only his words, but on him, on his person by the things he did. Joh_6:51-55
The works, Joh_10:37-38

But James said Jas_2:17. And Joh_6:29!
Mat_18:12 How think ye? Mat_18:13
Mat_18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father!
Take heed, Mat_18:18, Mat_12:36!
Christ said in Mat_16:11, Mar_8:21
All the truth must come from God to be believed!

In John 9, there is a story about a man who was born blind.
Here a story that has the truth, be-on belief.
Your answer is in the last line. Joh_9:41
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/4/12


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"Is there any sin one must stop to be saved?" Yes.
Unbelief concerning the enduring sufficiency, of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, for salvation of mankind.
---Josef on 2/4/12


For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God Eph 2:8
If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved Rom 10: 9-10
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Rom 10:13
---Chria9396 on 2/4/12


yes...one must stop assuming salvation. many still do...a few don't.
---aka on 2/4/12


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