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Does The Soul Exist After Death

There are those who say the soul does not exist after we die in the flesh. Isn't such a teaching similar to that of the Sadducee, who does not belief in the Resurrection?

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---lee1538 on 2/23/12

Only you believe that they did not teach sabbath observance

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues EVERY SABBATH DAY.

Do you think that they were encouraging or discouraging gentile converts as per the sabath?

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Do you realize that if ONE church was meeting every Sunday that they would have met NEXT Sunday rather than NEXT sabbath?

40 years after the death of jesus John refers to the sbabath as this: Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,
---francis on 2/23/12


\\Which begs the quetsion: if people start to gather on fridays because this was the day of jesus death will that be acceptabel 135 years from now in place of sunday?
---francis on 2/23/12\\

Why not?

In large Orthodox Churches and monasteries, services are held DAILY.

Conservative and traditional Jews have services daily.

Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/12


Why did the church met on Sundays?
---lee1538 on 2/23/12
Because it is a BIBLICAL PROPHECY

Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ..
Daniel 7:25 And he shall ..think to change times and laws

which is contrary to the law of God

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Do you reject or accept the prophecy that the 4th beast would TRY change the times and laws, and that Jesus ( or his apostles) would not?

I need an answer before we proceed
---francis on 2/23/12


francis //Why did the church met on Sundays? beause it is a BIBLICAL PROPHECY
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So you believe the Apostles and their immediate successors taught error since they did not teach Sabbath observance?

And you really want to believe the Jerusalem council Acts 15 erred when they decided Gentile converts did not have to convert to Judaism to be legit?

Yes, there is no excuse for anyone to end up in the lake of fire, however, it would be because of their rejection of Christ as Lord, not on what day they have communal worship.

There are many who call themselves Christians today that simply have not yet come into the truth that one is saved by grace, believing instead works of the law is their savior.

Romans 3:20,28
---lee1538 on 2/23/12


Why did the church met on Sundays? Simply because BY 135 AD due to the Jewish rebellions of 70 AD and 125 AD, the leadership of the church passed to the Gentiles. And that is the conclusion by Bacchiocchi.
---lee1538 on 2/23/12
Which begs the quetsion: if people start to gather on fridays because this was the day of jesus death will that be acceptabel 135 years from now in place of sunday?
---francis on 2/23/12




Why did the church met on Sundays?
---lee1538 on 2/23/12

beause it is a BIBLICAL PROPHECY

Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ..
Daniel 7:25 And he shall ..think to change times and laws

which is contrary to the law of God

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

SO that there is no excuse for anyone found in the lake of fire
---francis on 2/23/12


\\I stated the norm of communal worship BY 135 AD was the Lord's day. \\

Acutally, Christians were meeting to worship at the Eucharist in the wee hours of Sunday morning before 100, according to St. Justin Martyr, who died in 110 AD.

He speaks of this as an old practice.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/12


Samuel //Now you might think that the early church believed in an immortal soul. But many jews of that time did not. Remeber the arguements in the New Testament about the resurrections? Neither side argued the immortal soul.
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You really need to back and review that section of the Bible as the dispute was about the resurrection of the body, nothing about a soul. Mt. 22:32f

However, Jesus in reply stated that God is the god of the living, not the god of the dead. And are the living sleeping?

And if you did the research you will find the ancient Jews as well as the ancient church believed in a consciousness after the grave. Hell to them was a real place for the damned. Luke 16:19f.
---lee1538 on 2/23/12


Gordon //So, 135 years later is when the Church began to observe Sunday instead of the 7th Day Sabbath.

I stated the norm of communal worship BY 135 AD was the Lord's day.

Why did the church met on Sundays? Simply because BY 135 AD due to the Jewish rebellions of 70 AD and 125 AD, the leadership of the church passed to the Gentiles. And that is the conclusion by Bacchiocchi.

The leadership of the church was at Jerusalem under James who was very legalistic in his views, when he was killed by the Jewish religious establishment, leadership passed to Simon his brother, who during the rebellions fled to Petra where later he and those who fled with him were killed by the Romans.(History of Christian Thought, Jonathan Hill)
---lee1538 on 2/23/12


Yes, whenever people stray from the scriptures they not only will refuse that there is a resurrection, but many will also even deny the very Lord that has come and died for them.
---Eloy on 2/23/12




Lee the first day of the week in Jewish reconing starts on saturday night. Notice Paul preached all night so he could leave in the morning. Which is why the New English Bible stated on saturday night.

Now you might think that the early church believed in an immortal soul. But many jews of that time did not. Remeber the arguements in the New Testament about the resurrections? Neither side argued the immortal soul.
---Samuel on 2/22/12


ELOY, 1) The Sabbath runs from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, a ONE FULL 24-hour day! 2) The Lord YAHUSHUA did NOT break the Sabbath Law. He obeyed it! The Pharisees ACCUSED YAHUSHUA of breaking the Sabbath when He performed Miracles. But, they were not the kind of works we're to abstain from on Sabbath. On Sabbath, we're to abstain from 9-to-5 jobs, House chores, Yard work, etc. But, doing Miracles of Healing was not a regular wage-earning job. The Pharisees added rules and regulations to GOD's Sabbath Law that GOD never intended to be there. They were LIARS, Eloy! That's why YAHUSHUA called them a Brood of Snakes and White-washed Tombs full of corruption! Their father was Satan, the father of Lies! YAHUSHUA obeyed the Sabbath perfectly!
---Gordon on 2/22/12


Lee, Yes, GREAT. So, 135 years later is when the Church began to observe "Sunday" instead of the 7th Day Sabbath. Why did it take so long? Why did it not happen SOONER? For 135 years, gave or take, the Church observed and recognized the 7th Day Sabbath. Well, the fact is that the Church began her Apostasy during that time. The Apostasy of the Church is not so much of a, BOOM!, one-time experience. It includes that! But, it is also a PROCESS over time. Like the proverbial "Frog in the kettle". The Church began to fall into disobedience, a little here, a little there, in 135 A.D.
---Gordon on 2/22/12


jerry6593, Jesus is more than "stuff." I offer the gospel of Jesus, which indeed is the living water.
---Eloy on 2/22/12


Many have had their thirsts quenched from the words of Jesus that I preach. And some refuse the cup, and go away still thirsty.
---Eloy on 2/22/12


Jerry //Lee: All of your tapdancing notwithstanding, you are still left with the FACT that your pagan sun-worship day is NOT Orthodox, as the scriptures do not authenticate it.

No one here holds the Apostles & their immediate successors who did not teach observance of the Sabbath, were pagan unorthodox in their beliefs.

Did they sin when they gathered to worship the Lord on the Lord's day?

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, ...

Jerry, you really need to read church history as it is just too easy to see that laws that were strictly Jewish in nature were NOT imposed onto the church.
---lee1538 on 2/22/12


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Gordon - thank you for your comments. yes, the early church being nearly all Jewish did observe the OT tenets including the Sabbath but when Gentiles became believers, it has to be decided what they must do to be legit (Acts 15). So we see in the early church a departure from laws that were strictly Jewish in nature. Church historians tells us that the norm by 135 AD was for Christians to gather on the first day of the week - called the Lord's day in early church writings.

Does the soul exist? I believe the early church held that it did, that the dead go to be with Christ awaiting the resurrection of the body.
---lee1538 on 2/22/12


Lee1538, If the 7th Day Sabbath is an "Old Testament Sabbath", as you call it, Why, then, do we find the early Church (consisting of both Jewish and Gentile Saints) observing the (7th Day) Sabbath as recorded in the Book of ACTS? The Book of ACTS is in the New Testament, isn't it?? The seventh day of the week was sanctified right after the sixth day of Creation! To sanctify something means to make it HOLY. And that is what we are to do with the 7th Day...to remember it and to keep it HOLY. You don't see the connection, here, of GOD sanctifying the seventh Creation Day and the Commandment of keeping the seventh day Holy?? Many people simply do not want their precious "week-ends" interrupted by GOD's Commands.
---Gordon on 2/22/12


//jerry6593, I can offer you the water, but I cannot force you to drink.
---Eloy on 2/21/12 //

The stuff you offer is NOT water!



Lee: All of your tapdancing notwithstanding, you are still left with the FACT that your pagan sun-worship day is NOT Orthodox, as the scriptures do not authenticate it.


---jerry6593 on 2/22/12


//Even your buddy Lee agrees that the Sabbath was kept exclusively for over 100 years after the resurrection. How do you account for such disobedience if indeed the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday?

Silly Jerry says I made this statement but SDA church historians among others have made the claim that the church no longer observed the Jewish Sabbath by 135 AD. It is not that they started Sunday worship in 135AD.

And how can it happen that the church no longer observed the OT sabbath by 135 A.D.? If you guessed that the Apostles & their immediate successors did not teach Sabbath observance, you got the right answer.

Sorry Jerry but there are just too many things that are wrong with Adventism.
---lee1538 on 2/21/12


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jerry6593 // Even your buddy Lee agrees that the Sabbath was kept exclusively for over 100 years after the resurrection. How do you account for such disobedience if indeed the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday?
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I think while there was an attempt to change the Jewish Sabbath to Sunday, it is doubtful most theologians today would agree that any Sabbath was imposed on the church.

The scripture are very clear that one may observe any day as holy (Romans 14), only that the church by its tradition established by the Apostles & their immediate successors, observed Sunday, the Lord's day, as the day of communal worship. 2 Th. 2:15.
---lee1538 on 2/21/12


jerry6593, I can offer you the water, but I cannot force you to drink.
---Eloy on 2/21/12


Yes, the Sadducees did not believe in the Resurrection, they are Sad-u-see.
---Eloy on 2/21/12


"Shabath" is not "Sheba". The Hebrew word "Shabath" literally means "Rest", it does not mean "Sheba Yowm" which is, "seventh day". Jesus did not keep the Sabbath, as a matter of fact he worked on the sabbath day. Jesus said that "the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath." The Sabbath Day (Rest Day) and The Lord's Day (Resurrection Day) are two different days. The Sabbath Day, or more correctly Sabbath Days because it begins on one day and ends on the next, is Friday night at even (6:00pm) up to Saturday night at even (6:00pm). And the Lord's Day is Sunday morning at sunrise (6:00am) and lasts the whole entire day.
---Eloy on 2/21/12


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Eloy: None of the scriptures you provided gives any hint of the sanctification of Sunday as the replacement Sabbath. Indeed, you are still left with the facts that Jesus never mentioned such a change, the disciples never mentioned such a change, and the disciples kept the seventh-day Sabbath exclusively ALL their lives (Acts 13:34, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4). Even your buddy Lee agrees that the Sabbath was kept exclusively for over 100 years after the resurrection. How do you account for such disobedience if indeed the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday?


---jerry6593 on 2/21/12


//I find no command in the Bible to keep Sunday. I find the example of JESUS in the New Testament being taught by the Apostles and the Gospels are part of the New Testament.

Neither will you ever find a command in the Bible for Christians to keep the OT sabbath.

Breaking the Sabbath is not even listed as a sin in the New Testament nor do we find its observance supported in any of the Epistles - something it would be if applicable.

Yes, all scripture is useful according to 2 Tim. 3:16, but does that mean ALL OT laws are applicable to the Christian? I believe not.

Sabbath keeping is hard to defend as mandatory for the Christian as it is a totally optional thing in accordance to ones personal conviction. Romans 14.
---lee1538 on 2/20/12


Jerry contention concerning the issue of the spirits of the death going either to hell or with the Lord where they are conscious is really based on the works of olde Ellen White who had little or no knowledge of either the Scripture or its Author.

Adventism believes that God gave them an special annointing to reform the corrupted church back to the time when it was wholly Jewish in nature. But in doing so, they place themselves in judgment of what the Apostles & their immediate successors taught.
---lee1538 on 2/20/12


Well the Seventh day Sabbath is never called the Jewish Sabbath in the Bible so I would not expect to find those words in them since they do not exist.

I find no command in the Bible to keep Sunday. I find the example of JESUS in the New Testament being taught by the Apostles and the Gospels are part of the New Testament.

Since the Second commandments is not repeated in the New Testament is it done away with? Why then does Paul teach in 2 tim that all scripture if for doctrine if it is not true?
---Samuel on 2/20/12


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jerry6593, I already provided the scriptural justification in my posting below, and therefore the scripture is not a conjecture. Here are the scriptural justifications again: "Please read Matthew 28:1,5,6,9,16,17, Luke 24:1,5-8,51-53, Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 16:2."
---Eloy on 2/20/12


Jerry, you said,

"Rhonda: You are quite correct that many, if not most, Christians adhere to doctrines originating in paganism."

The fact is that almost all Christians don't know any of the pagan riduals days. Most of the SDA's do. People don't want to know about them. Why should they? They follow Christ not any pagan ridual days. In order for them to know you have to tell them because you make it a habit to know pagan riduals. The whole thing that matters is what is the intent of the heart. What is your intent? To show how holy you are above others? Because that is all you show. Give us all a break, do your Saturday Sabbaths, no one goes on what you should do. Carry the law till you die if you want.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/12


Jerry //Where, in scripture, is Sunday worship commanded as a memorial of the resurrection?

Communal worship on Sundays is part of those traditions established by the Apostles and their immediate successors.

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

There is virtually nothing in the Bible that commands Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath. No Adventists has yet to find a single verse that commands communal worship on the Jewish Sabbath.Hence Christians worship on the Lord's day, sunday.
---lee1538 on 2/20/12


Eloy: "Born-again Christians worship on Sunday because Jesus resurrected from the dead on Sunday, the first day of the week, and the disciples worshipped him then."

Can you please provide scriptural justification for these conjectures? Where, in scripture, is Sunday worship commanded as a memorial of the resurrection? (The Bible commands baptism as the only memorial of the resurrection.) When, other than one Saturday night meeting that lasted till midnight, did the disciples come together for Sunday worship? On the other hand, many instances of disciple worship on Sabbath are recorded.


---jerry6593 on 2/20/12


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lee1538, A-men. Born-again Christians worship on Sunday because Jesus resurrected from the dead on Sunday, the first day of the week, and the disciples worshipped him then. Please read Matthew 28:1,5,6,9,16,17, Luke 24:1,5-8,51-53, Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 16:2.
---Eloy on 2/19/12


//Worship of the pagan sun god entered Christianity as "Christian" Sunday worship.

Of course, anyone that is knowledgeable of early church history as well as the Bible and its Author, would be able to say that all that garbage about Christians having communal worship on Sunday had it origins in paganism is right off the cow barn floor of olde Ellen White.

The fact is that even Adventists scholars today believe Sunday worship was the norm by 135 AD - less than 100 years after the Cross, would indicate that the Apostles and their immediate successors did not teach observance of the Jewish Sabbath.

It is too bad that you are too steeped in the ignorance as promoted by Ellen White to understand the truth.
---lee1538 on 2/19/12


Rhonda: You are quite correct that many, if not most, Christians adhere to doctrines originating in paganism. Belief in the living dead (spooks, ghosts, etc.) leads to ancestor worship which leads to reincarnation and to Evolution (nature is god). Worship of the pagan sun god entered Christianity as "Christian" Sunday worship. And these ancient pagan customs sitll captivate Christian minds today.


---jerry6593 on 2/19/12


Rhonda, you forget that God also warned us of people like you who are legalist. In fact the Pharisees are a good example of a legalist. On the outside they tried to look good, but inside they were corrupt. They were guilty of adding their own laws to the law of God. They robbed people of their liberty and put chains on them where God had left them free. That kind of legalism did not end with them, for it has plagued the church in every generation even you.
Concerning immortality, no one has said that when we are born we are immortal. You are making more things up. What I said was,
"For this corruptile must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality..." (1 Cor. 15:53,54).
---Mark_V. on 2/19/12


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Rhonda //to believe in immortality at birth one must dismiss all of basic Scripture on death and reject the power of the resurrection ...
---
Yes, Scripture does state that only God has immortality.

1 Tim. 6:16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see.

While I do not see those who disagree with you are necessarily pagan, there are good reasons to believe that there is a entity in man that is apart from his body.

When Jesus called out on the Cross and said "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!".

I do not believe the scripture says that God the Father merely received a blast of air in the face but the spirit that dwells within people.
---lee1538 on 2/19/12


Rhonda, you continue to accuse believers of paganism. Everyone is a pagan but you. *****

GOD HATES pagan traditions one cannot be a "believer" by feeling persecuted by GOD for embracing pagan teachings

Christ WARNED True Believers to come out of the world and its traditions of men (which are pagan!! in other words not from GOD)

one is not born with immortality that concept is found NOWHERE in Holy Scripture as proven in 1Tim 6:16

GIFT of Salvation IS eternal life inherited by those who overcome at Christs return

to believe in immortality at birth one must dismiss all of basic Scripture on death and reject the power of the resurrection when Christ resurrects the dead to immortality and LIFE eternal
---Rhonda on 2/18/12


For a god that would murder thousands with a worldwide flood because he didn't like the way they behaved, why is he doing such a good job of hiding out now. Couldn't he step out for a few moments and make his presence, intentions, and expectations clear in a way all would understand? For one that created everything, he does not seem too good at creating communication. What's up with that?
---atheist on 2/18/12


A theist:

Do you know 100% of all human knowledge? I doubt it.

But, suppose that you knew 99% everything that it was possible to know.

Isn't it possible that God could exist in the 1% that you don't know?


---jerry6593 on 2/18/12


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Jack,

Of course I am aware and/or can perceive only part of the universe. That doesn't mean that god or the tooth fairy hangs out in the part I do not know about.
---atheist on 2/16/12


I am aware of parts of it, but certainly not all of it. What has the existence of the universe have to do with a god or gods?
---atheist on 2/13/12


Because only part of the universe is visible to you, and yet you put faith in the testimonies of other who have the right equipment to SEE farther than you. If you could use their equipment you would then see the things you dont now.

Its the same with faith in Jesus Christ. And our faith does not make us ashamed because when He comes to live in your heart you KNOW He is God and you love the changes He is bringing into your life. You begin to see him for the loving God He is and not what satan would have you believe.

It just takes one step on faith.
---JackB on 2/14/12


//You can so easily confuse yourself.// atheist

i used to then more than now. take good care.
---aka on 2/14/12


Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet IN MY FLESH shall I see God:
Job 19:27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another, though my reins be consumed within me.

JOB EXPECTED TO DIE, HAVE HIS FLESH ROT, AND SEE HIS REDEEMER IN THE LAST DAY.

Not in spirit or in soul, but with his own two flesh eyes did he expect to see Jesus
---francis on 2/13/12


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AKA,

You can so easily confuse yourself. Of course I believe the "universe" exists. I am aware of parts of it, but certainly not all of it. What has the existence of the universe have to do with a god or gods?
---atheist on 2/13/12


A theist: Are you trying to prove that the universe does not exist? You may be right about the one in your mind, but the rest of us live in a different one.


Christians: Did Jesus and Martha believe that Lazarus was still alive after he died?

Joh 11:23-25 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother SHALL rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he SHALL rise again in the resurrection AT THE LAST DAY. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet SHALL he live:

Notice that neither Jesus or Martha believed that Lazarus was alive at that time, but rather that he would be MADE ALIVE in the future (SHALL means future), at the resurrection AT THE LAST DAY.
---jerry6593 on 2/13/12


Rhonda, you continue to accuse believers of paganism. Everyone is a pagan but you. You say,

"immortality is a pagan teaching"


It is because you cannot hear. Listen, who gets eternal life?
"... you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds.' eternal life to those who by "patient contnuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality," but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness-indignation and wrath..." (Rom. 2:5-11).
The Bible also speaks of us changing, the mortal must put on Immortality in 1 Cor. 15:53).
---Mark_V. on 2/13/12


You may not know it but babies are made by the interaction of a man with a woman. And when that happens, a soul is created.
---lee1538 on 2/12/12

As long as THE BODY has the BREATH OF GOD it is a soul.

BODY + BREATH OF GOD - SOUL

teh question you may have is when does a fertilized egg receive the breath of God
---francis on 2/12/12


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i already acknowledged that i can/cannot prove anything to you. i don't have to. and, you should not have to use my methods to prove what isn't there.

just keep in mind that everything that you have is because of the imagination of someone else... car, light bulbs, computer, jeans, and so on...including your facetious thoughts. the words were not there until you imagined them. it only follows that everything was that i have is due to someone's imagination. but, it had to start somewhere. if you believe it was all pure, then you are wasting your time. because probability says that some will believe and some won't due to nothing else than random chance. something that you and i cannot help.
---aka on 2/12/12


You may not know it but babies are made by the interaction of a man with a woman. And when that happens, a soul is created.
*****

key word in Gen 2:7 is BECAME it just does not say "created" no matter how many times one repeats that LIE

Holy Scripture does not teach physical flesh and blood human being has immortality

immortality is a pagan teaching

believe GODS WORD that states the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE Rom 6:23

or believe pagan teaching of immortality

if pagan teaching of immortality is truth than GODS GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE in Rom 6:23 is worthless because one already has immortality

I choose truth from GODS Holy Word and reject the pagan teaching of immortality
---Rhonda on 2/12/12


Francis //How is a SOUL made!

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Still having a problem with God's word?

You may not know it but babies are made by the interaction of a man with a woman. And when that happens, a soul is created.

Sorry that the god you worship is simply a god of the sleeping heads, not the god of the Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who are presently with the Lord.
---lee1538 on 2/12/12


AKA,

It is not possible to prove that ANYTHING does not exist---, god, gods, flying spaghetti monsters, or invisible pink unicorns.

I can therefore say facetiously or not, that the universe was created in 7 minutes and 32 seconds by the one and only, true and holy KING OF INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS HIS ONENESS "RAPLHERICKYSTAN", and there is no way for you to disprove it. If you can disprove it, show me how, and I'll use the same method to disprove the existence of your god, gods or whatevers.
---atheist on 2/12/12


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The questions that I ask require rational answers. If you cannot answer with nothing but something you imagine, you really don't have an answer...The post I made about invisible pink unicorns was facetious.
---atheist on 2/11/12

my answer is in things that are unseen. your answer is in facetiousness. you started with wanting proof for the existence of souls. i asked you for the proof for the non-existence of any gods. you did not answer with proof, you answered with facetiousness. The questions that I ask require rational answers too.

in contrast, i did not answer in facetiousness, i answered with that we cannot see like love, peace, kindness. you cannot see them...do you deny those also?
---aka on 2/12/12


---The post I made about invisible pink unicorns was facetious. I am an a-invisible-pink unicornist, BTW.
---atheist on 2/11/12---

How many Christians do you think would hang out on an Invisible Pink Unicornist blog website for months on end?

You know how many. None! Unless they were searching for proof of these pink unicorns...
---CraigA on 2/12/12


AKA,

Atheists lack belief in a god or gods. It is that simple.

The questions that I ask require rational answers. If you cannot answer with nothing but something you imagine, you really don't have an answer.

The post I made about invisible pink unicorns was facetious. I am an a-invisible-pink unicornist, BTW.
---atheist on 2/11/12


atheist, john lennon, who denied the existence of God, wrote "Imagine". to have any belief, like atheism, you have to have imagination.

instead of using your imagination to poke fun at christians and christianity, give us something to believe in.

I prefer to think on things that you cannot see or measure like love, peace, kindness...things that have found me over time instead of the very predictable and measurable sarcasm that you offer on every one your posts.
---aka on 2/10/12


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How can you argue with those who don't know what a "soul" is?
A soul is a living sentient creature!
Yes, even animals "are" souls
Look it up ,Soul=nephesh.
Example Gen.1.24 "Let the land produce living creatures" (NIV)text says nephesh (souls) No consistency
Try telling me translators were not biased!
Chek it out with Strong's concordance!
There are countless examples, are we really at the mercy of the translator??
---1st_cliff on 2/9/12


How is a SOUL made!

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

BODY of DUST + BREATH OF GOD and Adam became a living soul / living being or soul

Adam was not given a soul, he became a soul. He became a soul when he received THE BREATH OF GOD

BODY + BREATH OF GOD = SOUL

so what happens at death
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

BREATH OF LIFE goes back to God who gave it, the body returns to dust, NO MORE SOUL

BODY- BREATH OF LIFE= DEATH
---francis on 2/8/12


2.Co.5:8 and Ecc.12:6-7 tells us that when the body dies it goes back to dust and the spirt or soul goes back to Heaven where it came from.
---Clarence on 2/8/12


Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death. In this verse death is just another name for satan, or the antychrist, satan causes the soul to die, a brother will deliver his brother to satan thinking he is Christ, remember 6 comes before 7.
---Clarence on 2/8/12


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Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death
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In CONTEXT, the verse refers to the end of end times.

---lee1538 on 2/8/12
IN context this verse referrs to the ABILITY of MAN to take the life of man. Be in end times or mid times or cain and abel

When Humans take the lives of one another it may only be temporary. Jesus can restore the soul ( BODY AND BREATH of God)

But when Jesus destroys a person in the lake of fire, that person is destroyed NEVER again will his body be reunited with the spirit of God (NO MORE SOUL)

---francis on 2/8/12


francis //CONTEXT: Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death
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In CONTEXT, the verse refers to the end of end times.

I believe the church is correct in their belief that the soul sleeps in the grave until the resurrection while the spirit in man, goes to be with the Lord. And since that has been the belief held by the church since it conception, it is likely that is what the Apostles taught.

You really want to believe in soul sleep since that belief is of necessity for your Investigative Judgment theory - a view that supports a salvation strictly by works alone for the believer.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


Mt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
---lee1538 on 2/7/12
When Humans take the lives of one another it may only be temporary. Jesus can restore the soul ( BODY AND BREATH of God)

But when Jesus destroys a person in the lake of fire, that person is destroyed NEVER again will his body be reunited with the spirit of God (NO MORE SOUL)

CONTEXT: Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death
---francis on 2/7/12


//BODY + BREATH OF LIFE = SOUL.

yes, we all realize that Adventist beliefs are based on the ranting of ole Ellen
White and not the Bible. We see both body and soul being spoken of in the Bible as well as the spirit that is in man.

Mt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

1Co 2:11 For who knows a persons thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
---lee1538 on 2/7/12


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Would you deny God created everything and all belong to Him? Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground..." which means to say there was no form of man until God formed it, right? And you're implying that in the dust there existed a soul before God breathed into it? Really? Seriously?
---christan on 2/7/12
I am saying what the bible says
that the SOUL did not exist until AFTER God breathed his breath into the body

BODY + BREATH OF LIFE = SOUL
BODY - BREATH OF LIFE = DEATH

God did not put a soul in the body of Adam, God breathed ( PUT BREATH OF LIFE) into his body and he became a living soul/ living being/ or soul
---francis on 2/7/12


1Co_15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Heb_10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him
---TheSeg on 2/7/12


From the "Leave Your Body At Death" Blog

"to deny one DIES is to DENY the resurrection of all

1Corin 12-14,21,22... how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:... For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive"
---Rhonda on 2/6/12
Amen.
---joseph on 2/7/12


"he did not give to the body a soul, the soul only came about after the breath of God entered the body" francis

Boy, you're falling deeper into the abyss.

Would you deny God created everything and all belong to Him? Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground..." which means to say there was no form of man until God formed it, right? And you're implying that in the dust there existed a soul before God breathed into it? Really? Seriously?

Or did you not know, "Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4. Who do you think created the soul? The dust?
---christan on 2/7/12


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aka,

Of course. Just as billions and billions of other things I or you could imagine.

What is the point of discussions about imaginary things?

What is the weight of an average invisible pink unicorn? Are they on average, heavier or lighter than invisible purple unicorns,---and do they live longer?
---atheist on 2/6/12


The body of a man (made of dust) is merely an earthly vessel God has created to put the soul and spirit in.
---christan on 2/6/12
God has nover placed a soul in anybody
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

he gave to the body of adam his BREATH and then adam BECAME a living soul

he did not give to the body a soul, the soul only came about after the breath of God entered the body
---francis on 2/6/12


francis, your analogy of the nails and the box to that of a living soul is nothing short of ridiculous. How on earth can you compare things that have no life to a living soul that's created by God? This clearly shows that your soul and spirit is still in darkness (just like the nails and the box - dead) and prove that the light of God has not shine in your heart that you may believe in the Truth of His Word.

The body of a man (made of dust) is merely an earthly vessel God has created to put the soul and spirit in. You can see and hear the manifestation of the soul from his actions. The first death is when you die in the flesh and the second death is when your soul is thrown into the lake of fire, with a new body that never dies.
---christan on 2/6/12


First, can you prove the claim that the soul exists?
---atheist on 2/5/12

no, just like you cannot prove the claim that God does not exist.
---aka on 2/5/12


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SOUL = BODY + BREATH OF GOD

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, AND breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul

BODY - BREATH OF GOD = DEATH

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: AND the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

At death the soul no longer exists because the body no longer has the spirit of God in it.

A box can be made from nails and wood. As long as the two are together you have a box. Once you seperate the nails from the wood it cannot be called a box anymore.
Same as a soul. Once the breath of God is taken, you have dust and breath of God seperated. That is not a soul
---francis on 2/5/12


"Isn't such a teaching similar to that of the Sadducee, who does not belief in the Resurrection?" Yes.
If one teaches that the soul no longer exist. However whether or not a soul is active and conscious after death, has nothing to do with whether or not there is a resurrection of the dead. When one is resurrected the soul is restored, (Psa. 23:3>Job 33:30 ) and the body changed or made anew. (1Cr 15:52)
---Josef on 2/5/12


Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known.
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

One should believe this!
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/5/12


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