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Parables, Literal Or Figurative

What are the guidelines for interpreting a verse of scripture as being literal or figurative? When Jesus said "this is my body", are we to believe He was offering a chunk of His flesh to the disciples?

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Acknowledge: we dont know everything. Ask God for His wisdom- His counsel is truth [Ps1, Prov1] Prov1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Understand Hebraic perspective,the first language and concept God used to (adam-mankind).
Understand, the origin of His Word written to (adam-mankind) was in Ancient Hebrew, not English, Greek etc...
Each Ancient Hebrew letter, defines the Word itself. Ex 31:18,Deut 9:10. It is for this reason the scribes where instructed not to change anything, in doing so the complete meaning in context (meaning/Gematria ) would change.
Gods spoken Word was understood by the man named Adam Gen 1:28
First indication of anything written: Gen 4:15
---char on 2/13/12


Written to, by and for Israel. Idioms must be studied, they were plain to (eastern thinkers) but not to many of us who think in western thinking-recognize them.
The Pre-flood writings discovered before in the city of Kish are Ancient Hebrew. The Proto-Semitic language origin was written with pictographs (picture writing). The Language is tied to the nomadic culture of the people- Near East. The Eastern perspective describes an action - the nomadic journeys of the Hebrews through the wilderness. There was one language spoken, written and understood before the Tower of Babel. But after is was Egyptian, Sumerian and Hebrew. Evidence of the Greco-Roman influences is throughout translation and can be seen when the Ancient Hebrew is understood.
---char on 2/13/12


Cluny that Jesus' command to remember and give thanks for His sacrifice was separated from its foundations is not in question. That there is no Biblical command to do so is the point. Read 1 Corinthians 11: 24,25 and you will see that Jesus instituted this command as part of a meal. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it." Does it say do this at church, or as part of a religious ceremony? No! It says whenever you eat bread and drink wine (parts of a meal) remember me whenever you partake of these.

I have no argument against Communion/Eucharist being part of a church service but it is obvious that isn't what was originally commanded.
---Warwick on 2/13/12


\\I, nor holy scripture, nor inspiration follow changing manmade english rules, for words were made for man, not man for words. who or whom or which or thatsoever, \\

Humpty Dumpty said something similar in THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS. "When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean."

And we know what happened to him. Great was the fall thereof.

\\mine word will convey that I choose,\\

Only God's words have such power. Are youm confusing yourmself with God again, Eloy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/12


Eloy//sinners believe all manner of falsehood, for their minds are dark.

And then there are sinner who really want to believe they are Christians and sinless but scripture teaches otherwise.

No repectable Bible commentary or pastor or even anyone on Christianet agree with your positiion that you are sin free.

Perhaps your Greek Bible does not have the following verse.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---lee1538 on 2/13/12




jerry6593, I will continue to always and at all times post "whom" to "whomsoever" mine "whom" I post to. I, nor holy scripture, nor inspiration follow changing manmade english rules, for words were made for man, not man for words. who or whom or which or thatsoever, mine word will convey that I choose, and not some other nor the spritually undiscerning or ignorant to the words of God.
---Eloy on 2/13/12


\\Cluny, if you tear youself away from human tradition and read what Jesus says you will see it was not done in a church but as part of a meal\\

Warwick, if you will tear yourself away from human tradition and your own ignorance and bigotry, and look at the larger picture, you will see that the "mass" was separated from the "meal" by the time of St. Ignatius, the young child Jesus held in His lap.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/12


Eloy (or is it still Eloi?): Please stop using the word "whom" for "who". It makes reading your posts rather annoying.


---jerry6593 on 2/13/12


lee1538, sinners believe all manner of falsehood, for their minds are dark. I know of sinners whom call good bad, and bad good. I know of sinners whom say that God is a woman. I know of sinners whom think that all souls are sinners like they themselves are. I know of sinners whom think there is no evil and there is no Judgment Day, and that everyone is going to heaven. So do you yourself think that I am righteous? Honestly, I have zero care if a sinner thinks that I am righteous.
---Eloy on 2/12/12


Cluny, if you tear youself away from human tradition and read what Jesus says you will see it was not done in a church but as part of a meal. Most of us have Communion, or celebrate the Eucharist in church but that ceremony came later. To many people it has become a meaningless religious ceremony, divorced from its roots.
---Warwick on 2/12/12




Eloy//you are not careful enough, for you wrest the scriptures to support sin and blaspheme the righteous.
---
Am I to believe you are a righteous person? Your righteousness can only be as filthy rags.

Your problem is that you are sick spiritually and blind to the truth of the Bible.

Read and heed God's word -

Re 3:18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.
---lee1538 on 2/12/12


\\That they have become a religious ceremony is sad as it is thereby disconnected from its original meaning. It has become simply a religious form rather than true living thanksgiving.\\

Wrong.

It happened under the leadership of the Holy Spirit in every church of Apostolic foundation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/12


THE GUIDLINE for interpreting a verse of scripture as being literal or figurative IS THE EARTHLY SANCTUARY. The earthly sanctuary contains items that a figurative of Jesus, such as the bread, and body which is eaten fo the passover lamb.

___christan
The bible does not prohibit the making fo graven images. It prohibites the making of graven images for WORSHIP

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

The ark of the covenant had two graven Angels, the Most Holy place was filled with graven Angels, and Moses made the brass serpent. It was only when they started worshiping the brass serpent did Hezekiah destroy it
---francis on 2/12/12


lee1538, you are not careful enough, for you wrest the scriptures to support sin and blaspheme the righteous.
---Eloy on 2/12/12


Cluny, giving thanks today through the eating of bread and drinking wine as part of a meal is in line with its origin, it originally being part of a meal. That they have become a religious ceremony is sad as it is thereby disconnected from its original meaning. It has become simply a religious form rather than true living thanksgiving.
---Warwick on 2/12/12


\\Cluny whether you are prepared to believe it or not the English 'eucharist' comes from the Greek 'eucharisto', (pronounced efharisto) which simply means to give thanks. \\

You are telling me nothing I don't already know about Greek pronunciation.

And you're wrong. The Efcharistia (to use the Greek pronunciation) IS a religious ceremony of the Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/12


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Eloy //You need to take your own advice, for what you preach about isolating a verse from its context is exactly what you have done on another blog in order to support your sin and to malign the righteous as sinuous.

I am careful in all my interpretations as I review the various commentaries written by those the Lord has called into the ministry of teaching. AND all of them will tell you that you sin sin sin.

Hopefully one of these days you will be given some salve for your eyes that you can see yourself as God sees you - naked and sinful!

You really need to stop twisting the scripture to fit your erroneous view that you are not full of sin (you are also full of BULL wind).
---lee1538 on 2/11/12


lee1538, You need to take your own advice, for what you preach about isolating a verse from its context is exactly what you have done on another blog in order to support your sin and to malign the righteous as sinuous. This blasphemy is common among sinners, projecting one's own faults outward onto the innocent, delusionally saying, "all are like me", when in truth, "all are not like me: for there are the righteous and the sinuous, the good and the bad: not all are sinners nor are all saints, for there are sinners and saints growing together in the world, and one Judgment Day the King will come and divide his children from the sinners, and cast the wicked into the furnace of fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
---Eloy on 2/11/12


Cluny whether you are prepared to believe it or not the English 'eucharist' comes from the Greek 'eucharisto', (pronounced efharisto) which simply means to give thanks. Whether we remember Christ and give Him thanks at church or at any meal, isn't important. It is a personal act of worship not a religious ceremony.
---Warwick on 2/11/12


"In other words, you have no answer to give other than your own ignorance and prejudices."

As I have continuously told someone in this blog the answer to salvation is plain and simple. You have a Bible and so do I.

Here's the answer for your benefit: "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth", confirming what Christ declared in John 6:44, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Salvation is 100% God. Man 0%.It's either you're a true Christian and I'm not. You're going to heaven and I'm not. Make no mistake, we will be going in different direction when that time comes.
---christan on 2/10/12


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\\Cluny I say we should remember and give thanks (eucharisto) to Christ when we eat bread and drink wine and you disagree?
---Warwick on 2/10/12\\

While the Bible says, "In all things give thanks," the Eucharist is an act of the Church, not of private devotion.

Glory to Jesus Chris!
---Cluny on 2/10/12


Cluny I say we should remember and give thanks (eucharisto) to Christ when we eat bread and drink wine and you disagree?
---Warwick on 2/10/12


\\Warwick, I have shared with you and you still ask about the "eucharist" "how is remembering Christ and giving Him thanks when we eat bread and drink wine a pagan thing?"

I cannot open your "eyes and heart" to this matter pertaining to what it means when Christ declared,\\

In other words, you have no answer to give other than your own ignorance and prejudices.

Glory to Jesus Chris!
---Cluny on 2/10/12


//We cannot read into the scriptures, but let the scriptures read into us, as the Father to the Child.

I believe we can accept that but as scripture must interpret scripture, no part of it stands alone and we cannot base what we believe only on a single verse. And that is the reason we can easily see (if we have eyes) the sin in ourselves as well as in others.

My sin lies mainly in what I do not do, primarily in the area of stewardship.
---lee1538 on 2/10/12


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How does one "be in Spirited" and "be in the Spirit"? What theology is this?

Last I read in the Scripture, Jesus declared, "IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QICKENETH, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63 and "And you hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins" Ephesians 2:1

Jesus also declared, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Which simply means that it is the Spirit that's in the Christian after regeneration and not you in the Spirit. For if "you be in the Spirit", who's sanctifying who?
---christan on 2/10/12


We cannot read into the scriptures, but let the scriptures read into us, as the Father to the Child. Second, we must be inSpirited because the words are inspired, so read in a prayerful attitude, be in the Spirit, for the Holy Bible is not just another worldly book. To illustrate this, I know of a certain group of good-intentioned people whom take a bath once a week, because the scriptures read, that, on the seventh day keep sa- bbath. So we can see that it is important to study and to ask the Lord for wisdom to know the accurate meaning of his word. And Jesus told us that he was speaking spiritually during the passover in John 6:63: "the words which I talk to you are spirit, and stands life."
---Eloy on 2/10/12


Warwick, I have shared with you and you still ask about the "eucharist" "how is remembering Christ and giving Him thanks when we eat bread and drink wine a pagan thing?"

I cannot open your "eyes and heart" to this matter pertaining to what it means when Christ declared, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him." John 4:23

This is the reason why, "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth". I believe is because God has worked His grace and mercy in me to believe in His Word. Without Him, I can do nothing!
---christan on 2/10/12


\\is my understanding "THE BODY" refered to was in regards to those listening,the flock,and His 'Act'of service was to FEED THE FLOCK!!!!
hope this helps?\\

In other words, when Jesus said, "This is My Body, this is My Blood", He meant, "This is neither My body nor My blood."

Do I understand you correctly?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/12


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is my understanding "THE BODY" refered to was in regards to those listening,the flock,and His 'Act'of service was to FEED THE FLOCK!!!!
hope this helps?
---kevin5443 on 2/9/12


Christian, I know a few denominations have made the eucharist (giving thanks) a ritualistic religious ceremony. But I am asking how is remembering Christ and giving Him thanks when we eat bread and drink wine a pagan thing?
---Warwick on 2/9/12


Ruben, you said,

"Did the Jews in the OT march on their way to Hell following the 'Ark of the Covenant'?"

Oh, you might not believe this but most of Israel in the Old Testament died in their sins, the main reason was idol worship. They always went back to that, no matter what God did for them.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/12


\\There is a point where these trinkets become something the wearer trust in and integral part of ones worship.\\

They can be--but this is rather the exception, don't you think?

I wear mine as a sign of faith in Jesus Crucified and Resurrected.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/12


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lee1538 * Not really much different than what a pagan Hindu or Buddhist would bow down before and talk to it believing it hears prayers.

You can add Joshua and David Moses,,etc..etc to that list:

Joshua 7:6-7 Then Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the LORD until the evening, he and the elders of Israel, and they put dust upon their heads. [7] And Joshua said, "Alas, O Lord GOD, why hast thou brought this people over the Jordan at all, to give us into the hands of the Amorites, to destroy us? Would that we had been content to dwell beyond the Jordan!"
---Ruben on 2/9/12


lee1538* //Go ahead. Make your graven images.

Yes, let them march on their way to the fires of hell.

Did the Jews in the OT march on their way to Hell following the 'Ark of the Covenant'?

lee1538* I for one, will never recognize them as being Christians if they follow what their denomination believes in.

The Temple itself was filled with images and statues of cherubim (Ex 26:31, 2 Chron 3:7).

Acts 2:46 " And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple"

Acts 24:18" Whereupon certain Jews from Asia found me purified in the temple"


It safe to say the first Christians and even Jesus himself worship in the temple with all those graven images around them!
---Ruben on 2/9/12


Sorry Cluny, while your personal convictions are your own, the wearing of religious trickets such as crosses really depicts the wearer view in a religious rabbits foot.

There is a point where these trinkets become something the wearer trust in and integral part of ones worship.
---lee1538 on 2/9/12


to steveng, Lee, and others"

Mahometans and vampires hate crucifixes, too. Are you all of one mind with them?

Whether you consider me a Christian matters not. Jesus and I know I am.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/12


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//Go ahead. Make your graven images.

Yes, let them march on their way to the fires of hell.

I for one, will never recognize them as being Christians if they follow what their denomination believes in. There are, howver, those Roman Catholics that attempt to follow Christ instead of their church. It is those that I can respect.

---lee1538 on 2/8/12


Go ahead. Make your graven images. The making of stone figures and apparations of Mary, for instance, has increased tenfold over the past few years. People still pray to Mary to thank her for the many miracles she performed. Shrines are built to her and many festivals are gaining notoriety including the Feast of Maria SS Lauretana which began in 1900 in Altavilla Milicia, Italy.

People today still bow down to her and many other saints as though they are alive. People today still place lighted candles around the stoney figures. People today still still kiss their stoney feet and rub their fingers along their stoney hems for good luck.

Are these biblical?
---Steveng on 2/8/12


//So why is the statue of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and past saints a graven image?

Not really much different than what a pagan Hindu or Buddhist would bow down before and talk to it believing it hears prayers.

The brass serpent in Numbers 21:7-9 did become an image that was worshipped as it was destroyed by Hezekiah in 2 Kings 18:4 in his reformation.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


christan, what do the supposed idols in Roman Catholic Church have to do with Eastern Orthodoxy?

Are you even capable of grasping that the two churches are NOT the same?

\\Ruben -you probably do not realize that nearly all the recent popes were obese- an obvious indication that they fast not by abstaining from food but by eating only certain types of food. \\

I don't know what you mean by "recent popes". Pius XII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI are certainly not obese.

I will grant you that John XXIII was a mite roly-poly.

Of course, Protestants are NEVER overweight, especially their clergy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/12


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francis, quoting Numbers 21:8,9 is your justification to making idols? Seriously? Do you even read? Who instructed Moses? The Pope? Billy Graham? It was God!

Now with the complete revelation of the Scriptures, we know that the "fiery serpent set on the pole" was a shadow of Jesus Christ at Calvary being prophesied by God to Moses. Or do you not know that?

Jesus said to Nicodemus,"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:14,15

Is Numbers 21:8,9 now clearer? So, please don't go making idols and say God said so.
---christan on 2/8/12


lee1538 * Ruben - you really need to look up the defintion of what graven image is.

graven image - carving of god: a carving representing a god.

So why is the statue of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and past saints a graven image?

lee1538 * The ark of the covenant is not a graven image but was something God ordered His people to make.

So there are exception. Where did God say to make Lincoln monument or monuments to war heroes?

lee1538 * The Roman Church is full of graven images which they do bow down to. And that is clearly against the commandment as much as you would like to say they do not.

Then God is a liar Numbers 21:7-9, even Jesus alluded to it Jhn 3:13-15
---Ruben on 2/8/12


Ruben -you probably do not realize that nearly all the recent popes were obese- an obvious indication that they fast not by abstaining from food but by eating only certain types of food.

Their idol is really their appetites.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


Ruben - you really need to look up the defintion of what graven image is.

graven image - carving of god: a carving representing a god.

The ark of the covenant is not a graven image but was something God ordered His people to make.

The Roman Church is full of graven images which they do bow down to. And that is clearly against the commandment as much as you would like to say they do not.

About the only reason God did not permit the total destruction of the Roman Church during the Reformation is that such a church is needed to fulfill end time prophecy concerning apostate religion and the false prophet of the beast.
---lee1538 on 2/8/12


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\\Cluny, "He also said, "The very word 'Cross'..." Keyword "word". Paul says "For the preaching of the cross...". Keyword "preaching".\\

I was quoting how the passage reads in Slavonic. You are one of those who are perishing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/12


"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." This is WITHOUT EXCEPTION!
---christan on 2/8/12
Numbers 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a FIERY SERPENT, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Numbers 21:9 And Moses made a SERPENT OF BRASS, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
---francis on 2/8/12


Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." This is WITHOUT EXCEPTION!
---christan on 2/8/12

Did that include the 'Ark of the Covenant'?
---Ruben on 2/8/12


Cluny, "He also said, "The very word 'Cross'..." Keyword "word". Paul says "For the preaching of the cross...". Keyword "preaching".

You continue with "Then how much more any visual representation of it is hateful to the lost?" which is a sure sign of your faith in the Romish paganism. No Scripture included "visual representation" at all. You added this to justify that piece of "idol".

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." This is WITHOUT EXCEPTION!
---christan on 2/8/12


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Christian how is the eucharist i.e. giving thanks to God Pagan? I don't understand what you mean.
---Warwick on 2/8/12


BTW--Lost unbelievers have mocked and ridiculed the image of our Crucified Savior since the Gospel was first proclaimed.

If you don't believe me, look up "Alexamenos worships his god", and share your thoughts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/12


\\Anyways, the crucifix to begin with is an idol which God never instructed the Christians to mold and wear. It's a contradiction of His ten commandments.\\

St. Paul said, "We preach Christ crucified: to the Jews a stumbling block, to the Gentiles foolishness."

He also said, "The very word 'Cross' is foolishness to those who are perishing."

Then how much more any visual representation of it is hateful to the lost?

Are you falling under this condemnation, christan?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/12


\\the Eucharist is encased in a Monstrans? Have you taken a good look at what it symbolises?\\

The window (for lack of a better word) in the monstrance (note the proper spelling) is called a "luna" or "lunette", which means MOON, not sun. (Further proof that if you don't know the right spelling of a word, you don't know what you're talking about, as your teachers told you.)

Orthodox, as I have said, have no such custom.

OTOH, if you have round offering plates in your church (especially if they are brass), does this mean you are making an offering to the sun?

Be consistent.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/12


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"There is nothing pagan about giving thanks for the sacrifice the Lord made of Himself, for us." Warwick

I do not disagree with you that whatever we eat or do, we must give thanks to the Lord for His gracious providence.

If you recall, whenever Israel worship God, they were not supposed to bring in the pagans worshiping patterns into their grounds which God has Holy or there were consequences from the Almighty One. Today, the "eucharist" is one such pagan worship that has nothing to do with Christians, that's all I'm saying.

Christ revealed, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

Don't be a compromiser.
---christan on 2/7/12


\\Notice on certain occasions in the Vatican calendar, the Eucharist is encased in a Monstrans?\\

Since I'm not a Roman Catholic--or have you grasped that yet?--it matters not to me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/12


Christian despite what certain denominations have done with the eucharist don't let us forget that the word simply means to give thanks. Jesus commanded that when we drink wine, and eat bread do so in "remembrance" of Him. To so remember His death and resurrection and our salvation which comes from that. Surely we should do so, giving thanks for what He has done for us.

There is nothing pagan about giving thanks for the sacrifice the Lord made of Himself, for us.
---Warwick on 2/7/12


"i celebrate the CHRISTIAN Eucharist."

So long as the Scripture does not support the "Eucharist" practice, guess who's blaspheming the Word of God?

Let's add more misery to your "faith" in the Eucharist. Notice on certain occasions in the Vatican calendar, the Eucharist is encased in a Monstrans? Have you taken a good look at what it symbolises?

For those who have no idea, go google it. It's the crucifix with sun rays confirming the root worship of the Sun God whom the Vatican now calls "Son of God". How convenient! Anyways, the crucifix to begin with is an idol which God never instructed the Christians to mold and wear. It's a contradiction of His ten commandments.
---christan on 2/7/12


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Poppa Bear, I totally agree with you. Only those who are true believers by faith will understand many of God's Words. Parables, Metaphors, alligories, figures of speach, literal passages, passages that are explicit, and those which are implicit etc. A good student will do their best to find the Truth. We don't always get it the first time, but God later reveals it to us.

Concerning the question, the example was to do that which Jesus told them to do, communion, yet He didn't say how often, and as Christan said, it was talking about faith in His works, and the coming sacrifice they would understand later after His death, that He was going to give His life for them, and to remember later what He did for them with the communion.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/12


Steveng makes a good point. We have to identify whether the passage in question is a metaphor, a parable or a simile. There is also a literary tool called hyperbole that is often used in the Old Testament that falls into the same realm. Once these are examined from a literary perspective, aluminated by the power of the Spirit, then the beauty of Gods ability to use words to express himself to us becomes more amazing and our experience in His word becomes richer, deeper and more intimate to the believer. Much of the bible has a poetic literary slant, that says something about Gods nature to me, giving us a book that can touch the soul in so many ways, so deeply and still remain in exhaustive.
---Poppa_Bear on 2/6/12


A passage in the bible describes God as a hen. But is he a hen? No! It only describes him in a way we humans can understand as a hen who protects its young.

The bible is full of similes and metaphors in which parables are made from. You can always tell a simile by the words "like" and "as". An example is the simile is "a day is like a thousand years" as the comparison that God's time is not like ours.
---Steveng on 2/6/12


lee1538 * The interpretation of the Eucharistic elements becoming transformed into the actual body & blood of Jesus really reflected the corruption of the church hierarchy.

So the Apostles and their successors(ECF) were corrupted..really!

lee1538 * Such interpretation puts ones salvation into the hands of the church .. withhold eternal salvation from anyone they wish simply by refusing the elements to those that opposed their political ambitions.

When Jesus told the Apostles who listen to you listen to me, who rejects you rejects me(LK 10:16)and Paul tell us the "Church is the pillar and ground of truth"(1 Tim 3:15). Tell me what were Jesus, Apostles and the Early Church Fathers political ambitions?
---Ruben on 2/6/12


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\\celebrating pagan eucharist has NOTHING to do with Biblical Christ and the LIVING CHRIST sits at the right hand of The Father in Heaven\\

But I don't celebrate the pagan eucharist.

i celebrate the CHRISTIAN Eucharist.

Keep on with your blasphemies, for which I pray the Lord Jesus Christ (to Whom be glory) forgive you, as I continue to walk with Him.
---Cluny on 2/6/12


Rhonda, Eucharist is an Anglicanization of the Greek eucharisto 'give thanks.'

Matthew 26:26,27 'Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat, this is my body." And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks (eucharisto)he gave it to them, saying, Drink of it, all of you,..." '


---Warwick on 2/6/12


lee1538, your understanding of John 6:53 is probably the very reason the Vatican "created transubstantiation of the eucharist". Jesus wasn't inviting you to be a cannibal as what you imply or for that matter, the Jews thought in verse 52, "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Even if He was, how do you eat His body today when He's not around? See the folly in that understanding?

What John 6:53,54 really means is Faith in Him, believing that He's the Bread of Life. For Christ declared, "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." John 6:35
---christan on 2/6/12


"In the Eucharist, we receive the ENTIRE Christ,
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celebrating pagan eucharist has NOTHING to do with Biblical Christ and the LIVING CHRIST sits at the right hand of The Father in Heaven

Christ and Apostles never participated in or observed or alluded to the pagan abomination of a eucharist

Holy Scripture (GODS WORD) does not TEACH anything about a "eucharist"

There is nothing WRITTEN in Gods Word about Christ or Apostles TEACHING anyone to observe or participate in the pagan eucharist

When Jesus stated this is my body he was replacing the lamb of Passover with himself

Passover is observed ONCE per year as written
---Rhonda on 2/6/12


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I would like to reply to the blog title and not the question. The question talks about translation techniques which we cannot explain in 125 words.

We must remember that whenever Jesus used parables, He did not lie nor did He make up a fantasy to illustrate the subject. He would not need to, Jesus created all things and He knows what is fact and what is real and how to illustrate a story without making things us.

Therefore, when Jesus told us of Abraham's bosom in the book of Luke, I can rest assured that it does exist and it is real.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/6/12


While Christan has a point in believing the elements of the Eucharist becoming the actual body & blood of Christ being of pagan origin, I do not see that in any pagan religion.

What I believe is more obvious. One needs to eat the flesh and blood of Jesus in order to have eternal salvation - John 6:53.

The interpretation of the Eucharistic elements becoming transformed into the actual body & blood of Jesus really reflected the corruption of the church hierarchy.

Such interpretation puts ones salvation into the hands of the church and they can then withhold eternal salvation from anyone they wish simply by refusing the elements to those that opposed their political ambitions.
---lee1538 on 2/6/12


\\The "Eucharist" is rooted in Roman paganism and has nothing to do with what is taught in the Holy Bible.\\

Roman paganism offers no parallels.

\\ How can a piece of wafer literally turn into the "body of Christ"?\\

The same question was asked by unbelievers in John 6, and walked with Jesus no more over this very issue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/12


"In the Eucharist, we receive the ENTIRE Christ, not just a piece of Him, much less a mere piece of His physical body."

The "Eucharist" is rooted in Roman paganism and has nothing to do with what is taught in the Holy Bible. How can a piece of wafer literally turn into the "body of Christ"? This "process" is termed as "transubstantiation" in the RC practice which is definitely not taught in the Holy Bible.

Hebrews 10:11, "And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins." Precisely what the RCs do every other day.
---christan on 2/6/12


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The Bible is written by human hands with HS empowerment. example is that some of the first five books was written by a person who used the word Lord a lot. Another person used God a lot. So if you read a something that is not realistic like a camel through a needle it is the same language as we would say "I could eat a whole horse"
---Scott1 on 2/6/12


It's spiritual.
See 1Cor 2:11-14. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned".

Luke 8:10
"And He said, To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand."
---Haz27 on 2/6/12


\\What are the guidelines for interpreting a verse of scripture as being literal or figurative?\\

There is only one guideline: How has the historical church always received and understood this or that verse?

\\When Jesus said "this is my body", are we to believe He was offering a chunk of His flesh to the disciples?\\

I will assume you are expressing yourself thus in clumsy ignorance, rather than as a polemical challenge.

This has never been the teaching of any church.

In the Eucharist, we receive the ENTIRE Christ, not just a piece of Him, much less a mere piece of His physical body.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/12


"...is it sensible to think any one under 6' of earth can "lift up his eyes?" 1stCliff

That's precisely why God declares to us He created the lake of fire for such a wicked sin of unbelief in His Word. And deservedly so.

Parables are real, very real. And to believe in the parables, Jesus reveals, "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive, and hearing they may hear, and not understand, lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Mark 4:11,12

Amen.
---christan on 2/6/12


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The deep things of God are for his people, and the ungodly cannot discern them. As one word from God may have many levels of definition, yet his word holds the precise truth understood only by the spiritually discerned. The hard-hearted and stiff-necked do not receive much from God, for their lives feed upon the world rather than upon the words and life of Christ.
---Eloy on 2/6/12


Lee: No! Scripture isn't given for us to privately interpret it. (2 Pt. 1:20-21) True born again believers in Jesus Christ are lead & instructed by the "guiding", Scriptural interpretations of God, the Holy Spirit (Comforter).(Jn. 14:21-26) Many people vainly struggle with the Bible because they aren't born again! (2 Pt. 2)
---Leon on 2/5/12


I never even thought about the possibility of "guidelines" (mans?)in interpreting scripture/parables. Early on, taught certain things(mans interpretations), but the Holy Spirit GUIDES, as He teaches us all things and leads us into (all) truth. He leads into other scriptural witness in the Word
---Chris9396 on 2/5/12


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