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Deuteronomy 21:18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother ...21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
---atheist on 2/8/12

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Scripture is not an authority. It cannot make demands on you.

You are NOT obligated to stone anyone (many believers will be relieved to know that they are not violating God's will by not stoning people).
---more_excellent_way on 2/21/12


\\Bibles may be restricted/confiscated and worship buildings may be shut.
\\

I've been hearing that paranoid fantasy for at least the last 50 years.

I'm not holding my breath.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/12


It is likely that there will come a time (perhaps wartime 'police state'/martial law) when it won't be 'business as usual'. Bibles may be restricted/confiscated and worship buildings may be shut.

Learn well that scripture IS NOT an AUTHORITY, it's simply a reference book (already aware of who the savior is).

The one who hung on the cross said "ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me".

God will guide all people all over the world who genuinely have a spirit of peace in their conscience/mind/heart who to claim as savior. BELIEVERS (already "aware") who are GENUINE/sincere CAN get along just fine without THE BOOK/scripture (scripture IS NOT an AUTHORITY, be like an Athenian, Acts 17).
---more_excellent_way on 2/20/12


Actually, it is quite okay to stone children before they reach the age of accountability, because when they die they will go right to heaven. But the one who does the stoning may go to prison, especially if he doesn't have good legal counsel.
---John.usa on 2/20/12


All,

Actually I am just trying to get clarification on what you all believe to be "law" for Christians. If this is not "law" then why not, and, what is "law."

How do you decided what parts of the Bible, if it is the word of god, is what you believe and follow?
---atheist on 2/20/12




You should also read the story of the prodical son. This son said "dad I want you died so I can have my money" We agree this is a rebellious son thus Deut 21 would apply. But what does the Father say (the role of God in the analogy) come back to the house and lets have a party for my son was dead but now alive. We humans are that son. This is the forgiveness God offers. yes this is Christian Law but Jesus creates a path around that Law.
---Scott1 on 2/20/12


Of course, no Godly person today would even consider "stoning" anyone at all (it's simply 'out of the question').

When a Godly person is faced with a problem, we shouldn't be so narrow minded as to think there is no other alternative solution. Since the REAL CONSIDERATION should be teaching the kids to grow up properly, maybe we should find a civilized way to penalize THE PARENTS instead (but nobody considers that to be an option....because very often, WE ARE THE "PARENTS", not always, but "parents" ARE often neglectful of their God-given responsibilities).
---more_excellent_way on 2/20/12


No, instead of stoning kids, teach them how to behave so they can learn to be productive members of society.
---Eloy on 2/19/12


\\---Cluny on 2/18/12
Think about what you are asking.
You are either asking when was the last time the death penalty was carried out in the USA, or asking how old does one have to be before he stops being a son.
---francis on 2/19/12\\

Wrong again, francis. I'm asking neither question.

Let me rephrase it. I hope you can understand my question this time.

When was a rebellious son put to death by due process of law in the United States of America simply for rebelling against his parents? (I'm not talking about mahometan honor killings here, but these victims are almost always female.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/12


other blog closed...

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled(DIETARY LAW), and from blood (DIETARY LAW). -- francis

things strangled (human and animal sacrifice) and consuming the blood has to do more with the things that were being done in dark places (secret) than in dietary habits.
---aka on 2/19/12




---Cluny on 2/18/12
Think about what you are asking.
You are either asking when was the last time the death penalty was carried out in the USA, or asking how old does one have to be before he stops being a son.
---francis on 2/19/12


\\In every nation where there is a death penalty rebelious son are put to death
---francis on 2/13/12\\

And when has this happened in the United States of America, francis?

Can you tell us?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/18/12


Mark, Not a problem, the Spirit may have led you to make that point. If God didnt have a point to make with Atheist, I dont think he would continue to have some desire to keep coming back here. Of course, arguing for the sake of arguing is something that many thrive on, or from boredom, pride, or that is how they mask their curiosity or hostility as well, but even in that, God has a purpose.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 2/16/12


Poppa Bear, I'm very sorry brother to cut in that way. I suppose when athiest says something, even though he doesn't believe in God, one day he could. Nothing is impossible with God. The Truth sets people free. peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 2/16/12


Hello Mark, I understand what you are saying, I am laying out the argument for the nature of faith. Whether biblically, or secularly, it still possesses the component of it being something that you may not be able to see or fully know, but still rely on. Also, it was in the context of Atheists desire to have people think for their selves and not just believe in stuff because others do. We believe in millions of things because others do, we respond to the world around us according to social contracts and cultural norms. So perhaps his statement could go a little deeper, or be examined to see if it is worthy of his aspirations.
---Poppa_Bear on 2/15/12


Athiest, that is true, that is not the same kind of faith people have in life concerning people, cars, planes, mechical things, or friends. This kind of faith has to come from God. And the reason you don't believe in God is because God has not given it to you. And as long as He doesn't, you will be an Athiest. One day, if you ever do receive saving faith, you will know it. You will have a hunger to know God. For now you will continue to feel the way you do.
---Mark_V. on 2/15/12


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Atheist, are your thoughts imaginary because I cant see them? What qualifies as imaginary? If you saw some people in a hot tub outside in winter, you had never been in one, and they said, get in your shorts and come in. You might think they were crazy. It looks so strange, people in water, in shorts in winter. If you actually tried it, your perspective would change, and the reality of their actions could be validated. So, have you ever thought to try God and see if He is real? Making a choice to believe in something doesnt make it real, but not believing in something doesnt make it imaginary either. Have you studied a-priori and a-posteriori knowledge and truth?
---Poppa_Bear on 2/15/12


Yes I have faith that my tap water will not poison me, but that is not the same as deciding to believe in the existence of someone else imaginary friend.
---atheist on 2/15/12


Atheist, you/us, all believe many things according to faith, and probably dont think about it much. Sometimes we mistake habits and routines for logical justifications of why we say or do this and that. If we needed evidence to do and say a quarter of the things we do, we would be paralyzed with the inability to even get out of bed every day. Small example, do you have evidence that the next time you turn on the water in your house to drink it, it wont be poisoned? No, you trust that dozens of things that you dont check or consider are a particular way to prevent that, you drink water by faith. That list gos on and on. Is this a valid premise to you?
---Poppa_Bear on 2/14/12


Rhonda,

If god made everything perfect, then all people would hear his perfect communication perfectly in the same way.

Given the almost infinite variety of gods, god, goddesses, and religions throughout time, clearly his communications are not perfect.

Or, a better explanation might be that god is a creation of men, and everyone who believes has their own version---as this website clearly shows.

For myself, I think we should all try to do some good before we die, and part of my contribution is to try to encourage people to think, not just believe anything that pops into their minds, or their parents and culture have encouraged them to believe without evidence.

Of course, for that thought, I should be stoned.
---atheist on 2/14/12


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Mark, I sware I have heard those words somewhere before, LOL. God bless you brother, I am glad that God's truth can be so contagious and stick with the right people at the right time. That is why I don't like to argue a point to the mat because if it is His way, it will serve its purpose, if it's not, it will just be a waist of words and time, so I try to make it as clear as I can the first time and then let it do what ever He wants it to.
In His loving grip.
---Poppa_Bear on 2/14/12


Worth repeating:
Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law. We live for God the father through God the Sons completed work on the Cross. We dont keep laws in the Old Testament to be saved. We try to walk by the teachings of Christ and His Apostles, using the laws of the OT to understand Gods Holiness, mercy, love, judgment, power and plan for Israel and humanity in its different dispensations and covenants. The theocratic, and Levidical laws and ceremonies have served their purpose and the agreement/covenant they were applied to has been fulfilled. The 10 commandments arent Levitical laws, and we do see the use of them in the new covenant, but they dont save us, they protect us and help us to honor God. Poppa_Bear on 2/10/12"
---Mark_V. on 2/14/12


So god builds lousy radios?
****

no man would build a lousy radio because anything one does is a reflection of the talents GOD has given them

GOD doesn't build anything HE simply creates it - perfectly I might add and HE doesn't need man to build HIM anything

RADIO concept is a great analogy for the god of this world who is the Prince of the Power of air which how he broadcasts his negative attitudes

although I've asked across another topic if you are the same "atheist" seeing you HIDE behind a label not using your name ...you don't seek understanding you just leave smug comments ...your life must be so empty you receive a warped satisfaction in whatever entertainment you crave by participating here
---Rhonda on 2/14/12


Athiest, as you well know, some of us do not agree sometimes when interpreting Scripture. some neglect other passages. First, satan is not the God of this world, Almigthy God is. Satan is the god of this age. He has no sovereign power to blind people, people are blinded by God. ( 2 Cor. 4:4) is referring to how the lost are blind by the ideals, opinions, hopes, and views, and encompasses the worlds philophies and commerce (10:5) and since satan is the father of the lost, he keeps them blinded.
For (John 12:40) shows us who really blinds the lost.
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them"
---Mark_V. on 2/14/12


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//So "god" builds lousy radios?
---atheist on 2/13/12

2 Cor4:4 In whom the "god" of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not...
atheist, notice the small g you used and the small g in God's Word? coincidence? not likely. the "god of this world makes lousy radios.
---michael_e on 2/13/12


//(if a radio is not receiving a coherent signal, the problem may be with the transmitter, but it may also be the receiver.)
---aka on 2/11/12 //
aka, I've been around a lot of years, and have never heard it said any better, thank you.
---michael_e on 2/12/12

So god builds lousy radios?
---atheist on 2/13/12


//So you are saying that god builds lousy radios?
---atheist on 2/13/12//
Be more specific as to what you are talking about, son.
---michael_e on 2/13/12


atheist: In using the radio analogy I would describe mankind, in its rebellion against God, shifted to a distorted/inferior frequency.

Until you have the mind of Christ (1Cor 2:12,16) frequency, you won't understand.
1Cor 2:13,14, "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

You've heard the gospel. It's your choice now what frequency you want to be on.
Rejecting God's gift is only opposing yourself.

---Haz27 on 2/13/12


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Michael,

So you are saying that god builds lousy radios?
---atheist on 2/13/12


Francis,

So rebellious sons are put to death in your country by more efficient means. Ahhh...the benefits of modernity.
---atheist on 2/13/12
In every nation where there is a death penalty rebelious son are put to death
---francis on 2/13/12


Francis,

So rebellious sons are put to death in your country by more efficient means. Ahhh...the benefits of modernity.
---atheist on 2/13/12


Rhonda, was the lord and Moses Pharisees?
Lev 1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses
Lev 27:34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.
Im just asking? Because you seem to have such a good understanding.
---TheSeg on 2/13/12


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Rhonda: if it was only ordinances that were blotted out as you say, then what relevance has the verse before (Col 2:13) to the 10 commandments in saying ALL trespasses were forgiven. Does that not include 10 commandments too?

And what about Col 2:16 including Sabbath days as being blotted out?

And also what about James 2:10,11 "whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in ONE point, he is guilty of ALL" (which means YOU are guilty of transgressing ALL the law).
James 2:11 shows the "LAW" includes the 10 commandments.

"Christ is the END of the law (including 10 commandments) for righteousness to everyone that believes" Rom 10:4
---Haz27 on 2/12/12


//(if a radio is not receiving a coherent signal, the problem may be with the transmitter, but it may also be the receiver.)
---aka on 2/11/12 //
aka, I've been around a lot of years, and have never heard it said any better, thank you.
---michael_e on 2/12/12


you must look at the nature of christ my dear friend for christ sees all life as some thing very dear and does wish to see any one die that is why he died for us on the cross so we can be made hole
glory to the lord and god bless you
---curtis on 2/12/12


What parts of the bible detail "law" that Christians must follow? What parts can now be discarded?
---atheist on 2/11/12


The NEW Covenant/Testament is what we as Christians are under now. Since Christ bore the punishment for all of our sins, we have no right to condemn each other for we are all equally guilty. What we are instructed to do is LOVE people just as Christ loved us. That is how people come to know God.

The OLD Covenant/Testament has been replaced by the new (Hebrews 8:10-13). Some people just simply wont let it go and they are unknowingly condemning themselves.
---JackB on 2/12/12


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Deuteronomy 21:18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother ...21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
---atheist on 2/8/12

The answer is simple.
The Government has more effiecent ways of putting people to death in this age rather than stoning.

The results are the same.
The death is done with the consent of the people
---francis on 2/11/12


No one has offered a coherent answer. What parts of the bible detail "law" that Christians must follow? What parts can now be discarded?
*****

GODS 10 commandments are HIS LAWS for mankind nobody will EVER be able to provide a COHERENT answer GODS LAWS were discarded because they have nothing from Holy Scripture to prove that claim

The Pharisee's created an additional 600+ civil "laws" or correctly identified as mosaic civil codes or ordinances that were CREATED by man (not GOD) to OBEY GODS Laws and all 600+ laws were abolished by CHRIST as proven in Holy Scripture

Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way...
---Rhonda on 2/11/12


AKA: The question is really simple...No one has offered a coherent answer... What parts can now be discarded?
---atheist on 2/11/12

and i offer and offered a simple answer. you just do not want it. Don't worry. Most Christians do not either.

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

the law is fulfilled...and not discarded, replaced, cherry-picked. Sorry, again you cannot get what you want. the simple answer was already written as it was already anticipated.

(if a radio is not receiving a coherent signal, the problem may be with the transmitter, but it may also be the receiver.)
---aka on 2/11/12


Is this Christian LawDeuteronomy 21:18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother ...21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."---atheist on 2/8/12

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme,
1 Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the PUNISHMENT OF EVILDOERS, and for the praise of them that do well

100's of people world wide are put to death by their governments for being rebelious.
---francis on 2/11/12


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Rhonda: "
if anything the law should be for irresponsible parents to be put to death for not providing boundaries for their children..."

Would that be death by stoning?

AKA: The question is really simple, what law are Christians supposed to follow?

No one has offered a coherent answer. What parts of the bible detail "law" that Christians must follow? What parts can now be discarded?
---atheist on 2/11/12


atheist, No, that is the ministry of death, being the old testament Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C., before Christ: it is not the ministry of Life, being the New Testament Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D., in the annual of the Lord.
---Eloy on 2/11/12


Athiest, no it is not a Christian concept, but it might be an SDA concept since they follow the letter of the law. Ask one of them. I believe all Christians are under the spirit of the law. At least all the Christians I know. Some here I don't know. I believe stoning the child to death will not teach him any manners. It might teach others but not the one that got stoned, and here is another thing, he will be dead not asleep and will turn to dust.
---Mark_V. on 2/11/12


Atheist

there are many passages in Deuteronomy that apply to ancient Israel otherwise known today as physical Israel due to the necessary physical nature of their obedience

although it is written there are virtually no examples of its USE because the FEAR of death was a deterrent for children to OBEY their parents

today this would be useless because majority of parents do not even discipline their children or provide any structure for them to follow!!

if anything the law should be for irresponsible parents to be put to death for not providing boundaries for their children to learn and grow instead children raise themselves today and rule the home as foretold in prophecy
---Rhonda on 2/11/12


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Is this Christian Law...yes or no.
---atheist on 2/11/12first,

do you think you can discredit christ if you can establish that christians do not agree?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven...

sorry, that you can't have what you were looking for.
---aka on 2/11/12


It would seem, that if anyone here understood what law applies today from the bible, they could simply explain it.

Saying that you understand it but that those who don't need to read the bible to understand it, does not answer the question and further proves your own confusion.

Pretend you are explaining it to someone who cannot read...
atheist on 2/10/12

it would seem I am and I did.
Now you want a yes or no answer

Christ said Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And
Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Tell me is this a yes or no?
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/11/12


Of course, the 2nd commandment PRINCIPLE mentioned in Mark 12 would be easier understood as "Love yourself the same that you love strangers" AND VICE VERSA (love strangers/others the same way that you love yourself).

You can only have self-respect if you also treat other people with respect.

Save your lovey-dovey kisses and favors for your spouse and close relations. Do not be a doormat to anyone AT ALL. Do not be a "MANPLEASER", be "master" of yourself.

Do not "SHOW" any of the brethren in Christ any special treatment or else you place yourself under the old law as a transgressor (James 2:9).
---more_excellent_way on 2/11/12


Is this Christian Law

Deuteronomy 21:18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother ...21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
---atheist on 2/8/12

Check the Police blotters, see how many rebelious kids were discipled by the police

I remembers a story of a young American male who was caned in an Eastern nation for(I think it was) spitting on the sidewalk.
---francis on 2/11/12


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If you are not emotionally unstable, you will treat/love your neighbor simply "AS"....(if you lovey-dovey yourself, get professional help from a shrink), but if you require simply that strangers treat you as a human being that deserves HUMAN RIGHTS and peaceful treatment (something that only a GENUINELY humble person would require), then you must treat "your neighbors" that way also (God demands it).

TRUE UNDERSTANDING (not mere "WISDOM") is for those who have the COURAGE (strength of heart) to DISOBEY what they do not sufficiently understand.

God admires courage (to he who has, more will be given).

Deuteronomy is for JEWS.

Is it in your heart to "stone" others?.
---more_excellent_way on 2/11/12


//AKA---
Mat 22:39 "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

So it is so simple. This is all of the bible anyone needs to obey?// ---atheist on 2/10/12

this is the second command of the great summation of all the Law and Prophets. however, if you are not willing to do the first (Mat 22:37), you cannot do the second and vice versa.

it is much harder than it sounds, so even most Christians think that there must be more we have to do.
---aka on 2/11/12


Is this Christian Law

Deuteronomy 21:18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother ...21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

yes or no.
---atheist on 2/11/12


Atheist
So it is so simple.

Simple! You see this as simple?
Then why cant anyone do it?
Just like the law and there you have it!

The two commandments
Above all love God!
Everyone says they love God.
1Jn_4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

People understand it as, love your neighbor as yourself.
But better said, its as written, love your brother, even as I have love you.

Atheist, say there was a God.
Would you want him to forgive you everything? I would!
So what should you want for your brother?
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/11/12


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AKA---
Mat 22:39 "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

So it is so simple. This is all of the bible anyone needs to obey?
---atheist on 2/10/12


Love God. Love People.

Everything we do to each other we are doing to God.

Gods commandments are based on love, so yes all we have to do is love.

Those people who use the name of Jesus to hate do not know Christ intimately. They will be in for a big surprise on judgement day .
---JackB on 2/11/12


Atheist, this law is Christian, but with the present application. Yes, a stubborn child is better off dead, but Jesus wants people to stay in this life so we can change to do better. By being stubborn, we miss out on how we could have love. So, in sin we are as good as dead so it would not make any real difference if we die . . . not that people would make it look this way. Sin is that bad, that stoning is better. But . . . Ezekiel 33:11, please!! (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/10/12


AKA---
Mat 22:39 "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

So it is so simple. This is all of the bible anyone needs to obey?
---atheist on 2/10/12


//It would seem, that if anyone here understood what law applies today from the bible, they could simply explain it.// atheist

Mat 22:39 "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

clear enough? nothing to explain.

there is only one hitch. Jesus gave us two commandments to sum up the Law and Prophets.

the first depends on the second and the second likewise depends on the first. but, it requires faith and a good imagination. things that you continually deny.
---aka on 2/10/12


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andy3996
Jesus said this on the mountain.
Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You just said he added this:
He that is without sin among you let him first cast a stone at her.
Are you saying he change what he said on the mountain about the law in Mat_5:18?

Forgive me, if I misunderstood. But, nobody threw anything at her.
Not because Christ added it or even said it. But because its the word of truth!
The law has not changed, nor will it change. Joh_16:13!
Its not the law you should fear, but those who try to use it.
Rom_7:12,Rom_7:16,1Ti_1:8
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/10/12


Jesus said: love God above all, and your neighbour as yourself, now that includes all the law and the prophets.
don't see anyone loving his neighbour stoning a kid for an offence that he couldhave commited himself. when Jesus was presented the adulteress woman with the question about the law Jesus did not refuse what the law said, only he added "he without sin throwed the first stone" nobody threw anything didn't they. so the law remains and God is the judge. for it is given to man to die once and then to face judgement. BEWARE. or REPENT
---andy3996 on 2/10/12


Thou shalt not kill and Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Do you think its hard to find someone who commits adultery?
Im sure some will say how you know, he did. Just ask him!

What does the law say to do with them? Stone them to death.
Well, is this not killing them? Now read this Rom_2:16-24
Get this, read Jas_2:10-11 thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So, if you say I keep it, you are a transgressor of the law.

Now youll have people who say I keep it. So I, dont or try not to, sin.
The law itself is calling you a liar and transgressor.
Atheist, I am only a sinner. How do I know am a sinner?
2Co_12:9-11
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/10/12


Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law. We live for God the father through God the Sons completed work on the Cross. We dont keep laws in the Old Testament to be saved. We try to walk by the teachings of Christ and His Apostles, using the laws of the OT to understand Gods Holiness, mercy, love, judgment, power and plan for Israel and humanity in its different dispensations and covenants. The theocratic, and Levidical laws and ceremonies have served their purpose and the agreement/covenant they were applied to has been fulfilled. The 10 commandments arent Levitical laws, and we do see the use of them in the new covenant, but they dont save us, they protect us and help us to honor God.
---Poppa_Bear on 2/10/12


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It would seem, that if anyone here understood what law applies today from the bible, they could simply explain it.

Saying that you understand it but that those who don't need to read the bible to understand it, does not answer the question and further proves your own confusion.

Pretend you are explaining it to someone who cannot read...
---atheist on 2/10/12


Atheist, the Bible is not all about the Law - the Law is a subset. Please read the Bible.
---Jimmy on 2/10/12


Elder, I do understand, more than you give me credit for.

There are those on this site who claim we are still under the law, laws given by God to the jewish people, and insist that we follow those laws, but they tend to pick and choose the laws they want to follow.

If this is the case, one cannot pick and choose what laws to follow and which ones to ignore.

---NurseRobert on 2/10/12


//If the Bible says we are to stone a rebellious son, then why don't we?//

first, it is not a christian law. second, the bible is a dynamic revelation and not a static book of broken verses.

funny how this is not practiced among christians today, and it is in other countries, and people use this to discredit christians.
---aka on 2/10/12


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Atheist
NurseRobert is absolutely right!
Dont believe anyone who tells you different.
If you follow the law then follow it as given to Moses by God.
Or dont say I keep it, because you are a liar.
If you keep it, then stone the boy.

If you cant stone the boy, dont give me the he who is without sin, speech.
Its because youre weak and you would rather forgive him then kill him.
You are now learning the law of the Spirit. Rom_8:2!

And remember Mat_5:18, in you. All of you!
So take off your shoe and rest your feet.
For: Mat_24:34!
As I see it, man still doesnt know his neighbor.
Let alone knowing who his brother is!
So, stone the boy!
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/10/12


If the Saturday Sabbath and not eating pork still apply, why does not this provision in Deut 21?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/12


When you take the time to understand the Bible you, atheist and Nurse Robert, will have your own answer.
Learn why the law was given. That will help your understanding also. That is, if you want to know.
After you learn a few of those things then study dispensational truth.
Ask yourself this question, can any man keep the law?
I think both of you have been stoned a few times, huh?
---Elder on 2/9/12


No, this is not Christian law as you are reading it.

Consider Romans 13:10
"Love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."

But in reading the Bible consider 1Cor 2:13,14:
"These things we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

atheist: if you genuinely want to understand scriptures then put on the mind of Christ, 1Cor 2:12,16.
---Haz27 on 2/9/12


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NurseRobert,

Thanks for getting the point...

Jimmy, Then what of the bible is left that you believe you must follow.
---atheist on 2/9/12


LOL Nurse, don't you know that Jesus Christ the messiah has come and we don't live under the Law anymore?
---Jimmy on 2/9/12


Amazing that the answers so far sidestep the question. If the Bible says we are to stone a rebellious son, then why don't we?

The Bible also said I can sell my daughter, own slaves (if the come from another country) and multi other things.

For all that believe the Bible is unfallible, and we should read and follow ALL of the Bible, how do you justify NOT doing these things?
---NurseRobert on 2/9/12


Regrettably young women do get stoned in Islamic countries with Sharia law. There have been several in Somalia.
---Blogger9211 on 2/9/12


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Depends where you live. the bible also says to obey the law.Here in the USA it is against the law to do that ,thankgoodness. however in other 3rdworld countries it isn't.
---candice on 2/9/12


Can we kill babies while they are still in their mothers tummies before they ever did anything wrong even when science can prove to the very, quite, astonishingly intellectual atheist that life does indeed start in the womb in a matter of days, if not immediately upon conception. Have you asked that on an Atheist board? The science wasn't available to prove that life starts that soon when the murderous law was passed, but the enlightened folks arent bothering to ban that now that it is. It must not be as devastating as the word God, printed on money, it is only the killing of babies. Wondered if more kids were stoned in the OT, or aborted in our life?
---Poppa_Bear on 2/9/12


IF you are a peaceful and just person (a TRULY decent person), are you really only BEHAVING that way because God wants you to be like that, or are you that way because THAT'S JUST THE WAY YOU ARE?. If that's just the way you are, the creator ("I am who I am", Exodus 3:14) would like to know you and return you to His "spiritual" dimension.

If I was told and believed that God ORDERED me to waterboard/torture people, I would WILLFULLY DISOBEY GOD because THAT'S JUST THE WAY I AM. I am who I am would likely take notice and say "I WANT HIM"....or He might just serve me the worst penalty imaginable (I don't care because 'I myself' am who I am (that's called GODLINESS/holiness, ironic, isn't it?).
---more_excellent_way on 2/9/12


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