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Is Evolution A Valid Theory

Is Evolution (in any form) a valid alternative to the instant Creation of the Bible?

Moderator - Even if I was not a Christian, I could not believe in evolution because it is such a foolish theory. Right up there with Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy :)

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jerry6593:

The Earth is NOT a closed system. It constantly receives energy from the sun.



Warwick:

You said: StrongAxe, your answer is nonsense. I asked whether you believe the Bible account of Adam's creation.

No, you didn't. You asked: Do you accept Adam was made by God, out of the earth, as Scripture says, or do you believe he evolved from a nonHuman creature?

It is the EITHER/OR nature of your question I object to, as I have described. If you say "yes, and yes" is not a valid answer, your question IMPLICITLY forces me to acknowledge the two conclusions are mutually exclusive. Even if you believe they are, I don't agree, and many others don't agree either.
---StrongAxe on 2/28/12


Is Noah Flood and Ark a valid theory?
---atheist on 2/28/12


StrongAxe, your answer is nonsense. I asked whether you believe the Bible account of Adam's creation. You obviously don't and want to leave open the possibilty God used evolution to create him. This is contrary to what Scripture says. But you prefer to leave your options open. Those further along the parth to Biblical Liberalism agree and also prefer to leave their options open to the rest of what Scripture says. Did Jesus physically rise from the dead. They answer, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Doesn't matter anyway, they say. Do you believe it matters whether Jesus physically rose from the dead? If so why?

In response to your comment show me how evolution is compatible with the Genesis account of God's supernatural creation.
---Warwick on 2/28/12


warwick,--> Moderators fault, i did see my misstake, and corrected it, but moderator failed to put it on line,
---andy3996 on 2/28/12


MarkAxe: I well understand the definitions regarding entropy. The earth IS a CLOSED SYSTEM with regard to new information for genomes. But you have EVADED the questions I asked. Would you please attempt an answer:

Do you believe that Theistic Evolution is an ongoing process today, and if not, when do you think it stopped, and why?


---jerry6593 on 2/28/12




Warwick:

It is one thing to believe something. It is another to skew objective truth, whether deliberately or inadvertently, because of that belief.

When one asks a question that, as part of the wording of the question, makes assumptions, the question is not a fair one. You believe the "evolution is incompatible with the Bible". So when you asked your question, you made that part of the question - making it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who believes otherwise to answer the question at all.

The question at the top of this blog is a valid one - but your question PRESUMES a specific answer to it, making it impossible to answer otherwise - in other words, it makes it impossible to discuss this blog topic at all.
---StrongAxe on 2/27/12


StrongAxe, I am biased. I am biased towards God, and His word. You on the otherhand philosophize about what may be possible even if it is directly contradicted by Scripture. Did the people of faith praised in Hebrews ch.11 stand doggedly for God and His word or did they have 50 cents each way, as you do?
---Warwick on 2/27/12


Warwick:

The length of time it takes me to give an answer depends on how much time I have to spend reading the blogs. I am not glued to them 24/7, and do have a life outside them.

My answer is not "evasive". It merely points out the bias implied by your question.


erry6593:

The second law of thermodynamics says that entropy increases IN A CLOSED SYSTEM. There is nothing to prevent it from decreasing locally. For example, if you stick a crystal seed in a super-saturated solution (which also happens in snow clowds), a crystal grows (decreasing entropy locally, while increasing it globally). Man raises cities from the earth (local decrease) while depleting natural resources (global increase).
---StrongAxe on 2/27/12


Andy, I do not remember making a comment about what you wrote. When was that?
---Warwick on 2/27/12


StrongAxe how long it took you to give such an evasive nonAnswer to a straight question! It is obvious your belief in evolution causes you to 'hedge your bets' regarding Scripture. Your attitudes and views are far from new, nor unique but common to those who do not have the faith nor the courage to hold to what God's word says. Many decades ago the Methodist church in Australia began to reason as you do. Their scepticism regarding the Truth of God's word began in Genesis (as is common with BibliSceptics) and has spread throughout Scripture. Today most of them do not even believe Jesus actually rose from the dead. That is where you are headed.
---Warwick on 2/27/12




the Bible does not say 'evolved', it says 'created'. Still changing Bible truths to fit man's thoughts.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane [and] idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge--
---micha9344 on 2/27/12


Andy,

Because I do not believe in god does not mean I believe in evolution, at least whatever peculiar and weird version you seem to think is "evolution."
---atheist on 2/27/12


Warwick:

The question as contains the assumption the two answers are mutually exclusive (EITHER God created Adam out of dust, OR he evolved out of non-dust). The answer "He evolved out of dust" says "yes" to both.

Many questions cannot be answered with "yes" or "no" because the questions themselves assume something not necessarily true.

"Have you stopped beating your wife?" presumes "you did, at one time, beat your wife". Someone who never beat his wife cannot say "yes" (he can't stop what he never started), nor "no" (it implies he started and never stopped). The flaw is not with the answer, but rather with the question itself.
---StrongAxe on 2/27/12


Cluny and MarkAxe: As Theistic Evolutionists, I assume that you believe that God works through nature to counter the Law of Entropy and infuse additional information into the genomes of all creatures to get new and improved ones. My questions to you are: Do you believe that this is an ongoing process today, and if not, when do you think it stopped, and why?


---jerry6593 on 2/27/12


Atheist, so you do not believe the evolutionn theory? what do you believe then?
Warwick, i did not say what you said i said. I said that IF all conditions are met according to evolution, THEN an evolutionary process MAY occure, this is by deffenition a generational process ( a process that continues from one generation to another) that cannot be seen, yet which is pressent and working (this is the evolutionist's idea). the hard-core evolutionist sees it is better to terminate the devolutionary elements (sicklars and lesser forms) as to influence possitively the evolution of Nature. some people have no idea what evolution really is...
---andy3996 on 2/27/12


StrongAxe, why do you evade answering my question regarding Adam?

Do you accept Adam was made by God, out of the earth, as Scripture says, or do you believe he evolved from a nonHuman creature?
---Warwick on 2/26/12


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Yes, because it is just that... THEORY not science.
Dawkins is daily becoming more absurd saying he's not 100% sure there is no God but still believes everything came from nothing without a cause for the chaos that created design.
Huh, Dawkins has no idea he provides cover for the behavior of Bashar al-Assad saying there is no such thing as good or evil, its just a result of your DNA. Guess he's off the hook?
---larry on 2/26/12


neither is it that i went to an "anti-evolution" seminar directed by a creationist christian who wants to be a scientist (as you pressume)....andy


Where do you get this stuff? Why do you think I believe anything?
---atheist on 2/26/12


andy3996:

Natural selection does NOT say every generation is better. Individuals better able to survive statistically have more young, so the next generation will have statistically more of their genes. Every life is subject to random chance, but the better suited have slightly better luck.

Warwick:

I just said it twice. If you believe:
1) The ark was as in Genesis
2) The flood was as in Genesis (no animals from elsewhere)
3) No species can evolve from another

this is logically inconsistent with the number of species on earth today. You MUST reject one of the above three.

Biblical literalists are most likely to believe 3, yet sould they not believe what Genesis says (1+2) over what they merely infer?
---StrongAxe on 2/26/12


Atheist, what i said about the effects of darwinism is not made-up, neither is it that i went to an "anti-evolution" seminar directed by a creationist christian who wants to be a scientist (as you pressume) i read Darwin's works and i studied about it. of course it is normal that when someone says the truth, those who are deepest about a failing system, those within the first ranks of that system feels attacked. but like it or not the truth remains.
---andy3996 on 2/26/12


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StrongAxe I wrote "The Bible is not a book of science but revealed Truth far above mans falible science"

To which you replied "The Bible is not a book of science. Any scientific knowledge in it is secondary to its other messages."

We seem to agree. What is your point?

Regarding the 'sea', we aren't told where the vessel was measured. They were mostly tulip shaped with a thick rim. The girth therefore may have been measured around the largest circumference and the measurement across may or may not include rim width. It of course was not meant as a mathematical exercise and does not prove the Bible is innacurate.

BTW why do you refuse to answer my question about Adam?
---Warwick on 2/25/12


StrongAxe, you wrote "I did not say too many species in the ark made a universal flood impossible. I said it did so IF you ALSO believe speciation is impossible."

Please explain!
---Warwick on 2/25/12


When the Biblical story of creation is compared with the creation stories of its surrounding cultures, several things become obvious:

1. The Universe was not created of pre-existent matter.

2. The Universe is different from God, it does no share His nature.

3. The Universe was created as a deliberate, peaceful, free act of a single and unique God's will and was not the result of war between deities or necessity.

I could go on, but I'm limited to 125 words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/25/12


Andy,
Your understanding of evolution is wrong. The perverse use to which o which the Nazi's and "social darwinists" applied their underspending of it was wrong.

What any person, alive or dead, believed the theory of evolution to be has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of god.

You are making up a beliefs about other people beliefs based on your misunderstanding of the of what you think people long dead believed.
---atheist on 2/25/12


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Atheist, evolution theory is bassicaly the idea that every generation is the progenitor of the improved version. thererfore every generation creates a better ofspring if all propers conditions are met. (social evolution finds its roots in this, and the holocaust of the jews was an honnest and genuine attempt of the evolutionary Nazi's to quicken humanities evolutionary process. so how can you say that evolutionists do not see themself as "creator" of their own??
---andy3996 on 2/25/12


Warwick:

The Bible is not a book of science. Any scientific knowledge in it is secondary to its other messages.

Science 50 years ago had less information than today, but even then we knew more details about dinosaurs than what the Bible said about them.

1 Kings 7:23 says a circular "sea" was 10 cubits across and 30 around, suggesting pi=3. We know it's closer to 3.14159... so it 31.5 would have been closer. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that mathematical accuracy was not the purpose of that verse (and anyone who uses it to teach math will have problems).

I did not say too many species in the ark made a universal flood impossible. I said it did so IF you ALSO believe speciation is impossible.
---StrongAxe on 2/25/12


Eloy,

No atheists don't believe they are the creator. silly boy.
---atheist on 2/25/12


StrongAxe on 2/24/12

I think we may see it the same way. I do not think that there was a long horn and short horn cattle species in the ark, one came from the other or both came from the medium horn cattle.

The great evidence which should be very obvious to us that that we have so many people of diverse ethnic origins. Yet I would boubt that Noah an eskimo in appearance. So where did eskimos come from?
---francis on 2/24/12


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Phillip you are correct. The Bible is not a book of science but revealed Truth far above mans falible science. Having been involved in science for many decades I have seen scientific 'fact' constantly change. You should read a 1950's textbook on evolution if you want a good laugh. Neanderthal Man was siad to be one of man's preHuman ancestors. Now discarded. The brontosaurus was considered to be a variety of dinosaur, now known to be the head of one dinosaur fitted to the body of another. Whoops.

Meanwhile God's word has not changed as God got it right the first time.

When the Bible speaks on science it is correct. See Job 26:7 "He .....hangs the earth on nothing." What a startling revelation to ancient man.
---Warwick on 2/24/12


atheist, In the atheist manifesto Warwick posted, don't stheists believe they are the Creator?
---Eloy on 2/24/12


If I hand a bible to you and ask you to fix my car, explain clouds, or how we got to the moon, you can not do it. Using the bible to explain science is using it for the wrong purpose. We use the bible to explain the interaction between God and us. Using it to create a science is using the bible incorrectly. Beware.
---Phillip on 2/24/12


Strongaxe,Scripture says only 'kinds', e.g. dog and horse kind, went on the ark. Therfore only 1 pair of dogs, were necessary. Today great variety in dogs exist but no speciation has yet occurred, as all dogs can breed with one another. Therefore they are 1 kind and 1 species. So how many 'kinds' had to go on the ark?

New species arise (via loss or corruption of genetic information) so a creature can no longer breed with its own kind. For example the arctic tern, where some can no longer breed with other terns for the above reasons.

That there are many species today is irrelevant to the situation regarding the ark.

You did say the impossibility of fitting all the species on the ark proved the flood wasn't universal.
---Warwick on 2/24/12


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Since beings in UFOs did arrive after the flood to show the Egyptians how to build pyramids, they very well may have brought new species of animals along with them as gifts to the earth.
---John.usa on 2/24/12


Warwick:

I was NOT arguing against a universal flood. I was pointing out that many pro-creation anti-evolutionists strongly maintain that evolution cound not happened BECAUSE one species cannot evolve into another.

Regardless of how many KINDS went on the ark, there are far too many SPECIES alive today to have fit on the ark at the same time. So they either speciated AFTER the flood (which they deny), or avoided the flood, or arrived some other way (on UFOs, or something equally ridiculous, perhaps?).

The notion that the Bible's description of the ark's size and the universal flood is inconsistent with the presumption that species cannot develop from other species. So you must reject one, or you must reject the other.
---StrongAxe on 2/24/12


Atheist, you were blessed by the tooth fairy then. As for Santa, I don't quite remember.
---John.usa on 2/24/12


Atheist, ignorance of reality is no argument against reality.
---Warwick on 2/24/12

What does that mean?
---atheist on 2/24/12


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\\And what's with this tapdance about "I never said evolution DID happen, I said it CAN happen"? \\

As the old cliche says, "I know you think you understood what you heard me say, but I don't think you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."

If you don't understand mere human words, such as mine, where on earth did you get the notion you can understand God's word in the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/12


Eloy,

I have never heard of an atheist making a claim about performing miracles.

In fact, I do not believe that atheists generally believe that miracles have occurred.
---atheist on 2/24/12


Eloy, you are correct and delusion is a good description. I have also see and experienced the miracles like you mention. I have also see the redeeming power of the Lord Jesus christ transform people from a criminal life to service to God and man.

An atheist said socialism will put a new suit on every man. The Christian replied and faith in Christ will put a new man inside the suit.
---Warwick on 2/24/12


Atheist, ignorance of reality is no argument against reality.
---Warwick on 2/24/12


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StrongAxe, how many kinds of creatures had to go on the ark? Note Scripture does not mention any species going on the ark.

While you are answering this question answer another. Do you accept Adam was made out of the earth, as Scripture says, or do you believe he evolved from a nonHuman creature?

BTW it was no surprize to see you arguing against the universal flood. Those who reject Genesis creation and accept God used evolution are forced to do so. You argument on this holds no water. No pun intended.
---Warwick on 2/24/12


StrongAxe whether we are 'creationist' or 'evolutionist' does not affect real scientific endeavour. By real scientific endeavour I refer to operational science, as separate from scientific speculation.

Operational science is about physical testing in the present-testable, observable, repeatable. This has provided the technological marvels we enjoy. For example the MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imager), was invented by Dr Raymond Damadian a 'creationist.' His 'creationism' didn't get in the road of science!

I have seen numerous high-level scientific debates between scientists who are creationist or evolutionist. Generally the creationists won. These days evolutionists generally run from a debate with a creationist scientist.
---Warwick on 2/24/12


Warwick, What a foolish delusion they have, and how stupid can they really be to actually think that their puny little soul is The Almighty Creator. I have never witnessed one miracle from an ateist, no one. But I myself being a child of the King, have prayed for many people, and have witnessed many getting healed, a college professor totally cured of AIDS, and a dead infant given life again, et cetera. What power has any atheist expoilted in creation? None, absolutely none, because they are stuck on stupid rather than accepting the manifested reality and existence of God.
---Eloy on 2/24/12


Warwick, What a foolish delusion they have, and how stupid can they really be to actually think that their puny little soul is The Almighty Creator. I have never witnessed one miracle from an atheist, not one. But I myself being a child of the King, have prayed for many people, and have witnessed many getting healed, a college professor totally cured of AIDS, and a dead infant given life again, et cetera. What power has any atheist exploited in creation? None, absolutely none, because they are stuck on stupid rather than accepting the manifested reality and existence of God.
---Eloy on 2/24/12


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\\We bow before you o exalted one!
---Warwick on 2/23/12\\

You may rise, Warwick, and even retain your hat and be seated in my presence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/12


Don't be silly. I do not know of a single atheist who is even aware of a manifesto.
---atheist on 2/24/12


Atheist, the quote below shows atheists are well aware what they are doing to promote the Atheist Manifesto.

"We no longer feel ourselves to be guests in someone's else's home and therefore obliged to make our behavior conform with a set of pre-existing cosmic rules. It is our creation now. We make the rules. We establish the parameters of reality. We create the world, and because we do, we no longer feel beholden to outside forces. We no longer have to justify our behavior, for we are now the architects of the universe. We are responsible to nothing outside ourselves. for we are the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever." Jeremy Rifkin, Algeny, p. 244 (Viking Press, New York), 1983.
---Warwick on 2/23/12


My tooth fairy gave be money for my bloody teeth. I didn't have to pay here a disposal fee.

Did you have to pay for the present Santa Claus brought you?
---atheist on 2/23/12


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Strongaxe, you do not need a big ark. Species can come into existance at any time. God just has to say the word.
---Frances008 on 2/23/12


Warwick:

The reason anti-Creationists try to keep "Creation science" out of schools is not that it conflicts with evolution (whenever a better scientific theory comes, it supercedes the previous one). Rather, it is because "creation science" is not scienetific.

Science makes a hypothesis (like "God created life"), then performing experiments to test whether the hypothesis could be true or not. "Creation scientists", however, begin by assuming the hypothesis, and then try to prove it. Evidence that weakens the hypothesis is discredited rather than considered. Regardless of whether it is true or not, this is not science - it is propaganda, and as such, should not be taught in science class.
---StrongAxe on 2/24/12


atheist: Talking about lies, we see in John 8:44 that the devil is the father of lies. Foolish fables like evolution are pushed onto society and for many of it's adherents it's a way to exclude God. I guess the selling of plastic dinosaurs might be just a novel sideline.

The belief that NOTHING gradually evolved into the myriad of complex life forms we see today due merely to random naturalistic processes requires a belief in the utterly ridiculous.
And all this just to exclude the realistic alternative that an intelligent creator God made it all.

As Rom 1:28 says: "as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind"


---Haz27 on 2/24/12


There seems to be a misconception here that speciation/natural selection is the same process which caused the imagined original single-celled creature to evolve into all the different kinds (as dog kind, horse kind) we see today. This isn't so as variation within a kind is a conservative process which reduces genetic variety. However for one kind to evolve into a totally different kind requites totally new, unique, specific genetic information to arise. It simply doesn't happen.

StrongAxe, how many 'kinds' of creatures needed to be taken on the ark?
---Warwick on 2/24/12


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Cluny: "The Bible does not say that Creation took place in an instant, but was a sequential event, spread out over a time period."

Psa 33:6, 9 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

If creation was not instantaneous, then God has a really bad speech impediment.

For the self-styled genious of CN, you sure are biblically illiterate.

And what's with this tapdance about "I never said evolution DID happen, I said it CAN happen"? What a crock! Do you actually believe anyone but you buys that? If you didn't believe in Evolution, you wouldn't defend it so vehemently.
---jerry6593 on 2/24/12


Speaking of the tooth fairy, when you were a kid, how much money did you have to put under your pillow with your tooth in order to get the tooth fairy to take it?
---John.usa on 2/23/12


Cluny among my friends, and associates I know of many scientists who believe Genesis, as written, is a superior explanation of origins than evolution. Not one feels the need to reinterpret Genesis away from its plain meaning to fit in into a unworkable, constantly changing idea like evolution. Or to imagine God used evolution!

Other than friends and associates I know of many highly qualified nonChristian scientists who became Christians when challenged to carefully investigate evolutions claims. Professor Rick Smalley, winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry is just one, who rejected evolution and confessed his faith in Jesus.

But if you are correct these people are but childish fools.

We bow before you o exalted one!
---Warwick on 2/23/12


Haz,

And who is behind this conspiracy to tell these lies?

And what is the purpose---to sell little plastic dinosaurs?
---atheist on 2/23/12


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Mod is correct. Evolution is no better than a fairy tale.

It's popularity as an alternative to creation in Genesis is clearly due to the indoctrination/brainwashing from the education system and mainstream media's documentaries etc.
If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true.
---Haz27 on 2/23/12


Warwick, unlike you and some others here, I do not limit God to a human, earthbound, childishly literal interpretation of Genesis.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/12


3) The many species we have now speciated AFTER the flood - thus, de-facto proof that species can evolve from other species.

Which of these explanations do you favor?
---StrongAxe on 2/23/12
I take window number 3
Species do evolve from other species*,

Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their KIND, and every winged fowl after his KIND: and God saw that [it was] good.

let me just say KIND come from their KIND.

It may already be in the DNA to adapt to environmental pressure
---francis on 2/23/12


The word 'theory' has a different meaning in scientific terms than it does in common usage. Commonly we use 'theory' to mean an idea i.e. my theory (my idea/belief) is...

However scientifically speaking an idea can only be called a theory if it can be disproved. Evolution is therefore not a theory for evolution is claimed to have happened in the past and it is not happening now. We see the occurrence of variation which is not evolution, but we do not see unique new kinds of creatures appearing. What happened in the past is not scientifically testable. For the past we turn to historians and the Bible is an amazingly accurate book of history. I supose it should be as it is God's handiwork.

Evolution is at best an hypothesis.
---Warwick on 2/23/12


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Cluny, you like many others say a theistic model of creation is consistent with Genesis. Like you no one has ever been able to put a case to support this belief. Genesis says God created by His Almighty power often creating from nothing, making it all in 6 days. Can you provide one Scripture, from anywhere in the Bible, which shows God created in any way other than stated in Genesis 1?
---Warwick on 2/23/12


Many famous antiChristian scientists think the notion that God used evolution to create is laughable. God-hater Professor Richard Dawkins from Oxford University is but one:

Many atheists, in the fight to keep creationism out of schools, decide its best to say that believing in God and evolution isnt incompatible. But Im a boat-rocker-I make the case that Its difficult to believe in God if you understand evolution Richard Dawkins Beyond Belief Radio Times, 7-13 January, 2006, p. 27.
---Warwick on 2/23/12


francis:

If you look at how big the Ark was described as being in Genesis, and the number of (non-interbreeding) species on the earth today, you will realize they couldn't all fit. This leads to one of the following conclusions:

1) Most of the species today did not come on the Ark, but from elsewhere (invalidating the idea of a universal flood)
2) The Ark was much bigger than described (so Genesis is inaccurate)
3) The many species we have now speciated AFTER the flood - thus, de-facto proof that species can evolve from other species.

Which of these explanations do you favor?
---StrongAxe on 2/23/12


Is Evolution A Valid Theory
Is Evolution (in any form) a valid alternative to the instant Creation of the Bible?
---jerry6593 on 2/22/12

Micro evolution is a very valid theory
orgamisn do change under environmental pressures
Examples: Rabbits change colour during winter

Those little bugs which inhabit corn meal become canibals under certain temperatures

There are so many micro changes on orgaism due to envorinmental pressures, but none of them evolve into another oranism
---francis on 2/23/12


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Moderator, A-men.
---Eloy on 2/23/12


All theories are good, because they are theories and not laws.

Evolution is as good a theory as any
---francis on 2/23/12


\\ Did you notice that you and Atheist are on the same side in that you believe that Evolution accounts for the variety of life forms on earth?\\

Try again. I NEVER said I believed it did. I said it CAN. I said that a theistic model of evolution is consistent with Genesis.

Too bad you can't grasp the difference.

\\Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ - the instant, non-evolutionary Creator! \\

And you claim to believe the Bible, jerry?

The Bible does not say that Creation took place in an instant, but was a sequential event, spread out over a time period.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/12


Cluny: "Why do you ask the same question over and over and over, jerry?"

Just to annoy you, cluny. Did you notice that you and Atheist are on the same side in that you believe that Evolution accounts for the variety of life forms on earth?

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ - the instant, non-evolutionary Creator!



---jerry6593 on 2/23/12


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Samuel,

I cannot answer those questions.

Because I cannot answer those questions does not create a requirement that I believe in gods or a god.

what is your point anyway?
---atheist on 2/22/12


Well the Big Bang stated that the Universe had a beginning just like the bible said it did. But Atheists do not know how it happened or why. String theory has some suggestions but it is unprovable.

Atheist could you tell me what Dark Matter is and why the early universe seemed to move faster then light. Also why since the Big bang should have created equal amounts of matter and antimatter so that the universe should not exist why are we here?
---samuel on 2/22/12


Could it be that Jerry has Alzheimers?
---atheist on 2/22/12


Why do you ask the same question over and over and over, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/12


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The instant Creation of the Bible is such a foolish theory. Right up there with Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy :)
---atheist on 2/22/12


I was taught that in the scientific method you first think of an idea about what is true, an "educated guess" called a "hypothesis". But this idea needs to be what can be clearly tested by experiments that can prove or disprove your idea. But I see that people have not been able to design experiments which clearly prove or disprove "evolution". So, it isn't even a starting hypothesis, by the standards of the basic scientific method, I would say.

But "evolution", though it has not even started to be scientifically tested, is already being taught as a fact in books and shows claiming to be scientific.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/22/12


You are viewing science as the enemy of religion. you cannot do that. Science is man's view of nature. Creation is God's view of nature. Darwin showed large amount of evidence at how the birds on the island had changed. Before this the idea of animals and people changing over generations was not known. This is called micro-evolution or adaptation. Darwin went wrong when he extrapolated his data, and he and other scientist saw what they wanted to see (accidently or purposefully) to prove their point. This is found mostly in high school and beginner level college text books. A friend with a masters in biology says that evolutionary ideas are mostly thrown away at the higher levels.
---Scott1 on 2/22/12


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