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Inaccurate Verbal Statements

In the written Bible record, when people used poor judgment and made inaccurate verbal statements, God consistently rebuked them and set the matter straight. So, if there's no Godly rebuke can we safely assume there's no error in what certain individuals, e.g., David, said in the Bible?

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Mark,
Let me remind you there are no contradictions in right division.
Where were you when Jesus spoke John 3:18?
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
---michael_e on 3/21/12


---michael_e on 3/21/12

thanks brother-
Blessings.
---char on 3/21/12


Michael e, if you are ok in contradicting the word of God, that is your right. Since we know people are in hell and will continue to go there because all without Christ are condemned already,
" He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).
Let me remind you that many have already died not believing in the only begotten Son of God.
So we know that the passage that Char gave does not teach Universal Salvation since there is none. That is a false gospel Now, you want to believe it, go for it.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


Char, you are correct with 1Tim 4:9-10, Mark, as usual quotes something that doesn't pertain to him. Stick with your scripture and God bless.
---michael_e on 3/21/12


Char and Mark v. It seems like the bible contradicts itself after all.
---Pat.pat on 3/21/12




//1Tim4:9-10This is a faithful saying and worthy of all [acceptation].
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
---char on 3/20/12//


1Timothy 4:9-10

not 1 char 4:9-10
---char on 3/21/12


// The problem is never with God. It's always the hardness of heart (pride issue) of man-- ---Leon on 3/7/12///

Agree.
---char on 3/21/12


I just copied and pasted the scripture.

1 Timothy 4:9-10This is a faithful saying and worthy of all [acceptation].
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
---char on 3/21/12


Char, I didn't know you also believed in Universal salvation. Not many believe in Universal salvation. I don't know if you noticed but by giving ( 1 Tim. 4:9,10) you are teaching universal salvation, and contradicting (Matt. 25:41) which says
"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
And also, (Rev. 20:11-15). Speaking of those who are standing before the "Great White Throne of Judgment"
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


1Tim4:9-10This is a faithful saying and worthy of all [acceptation].
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
---char on 3/20/12




None should have any problem believing
"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." ( Proverbs 16:4) and
"For the wicked are reserved for the day of doom, They shall be brought out on the day of wrath." ( Job 21:30).
God did make the wicked for the day of evil, but He did not make them wicked, they did it all by themselves. And yes, God does reserve the wicked for the day of doom, because on that day they will have to answer to Him.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/12


Exodus 4:21_23 "And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn."

It was Pharaoh's hurt pride which hardened his heart.
Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
---Nana on 3/8/12


" And when Pharaoh saw... the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart , he and his servants.v 34...Scripture is very clear...God does not make,coerce, or program anyone to sin. Man does it by himself..."
---Ruben on 3/1/12


I agree Ruben. The problem is never with God. It's always the hardness of heart (pride issue) of man. God knew Pharaoh's prideful heart & what he'd do. Pharaoh cried uncle (I give!) when God overpowered & forced him down. But as soon as God let him up, his prideful rage (anger) returned & ultimately destroyed him. It still happens today with prideful people who are bent on pursuing their own way instead of God's.
---Leon on 3/7/12


Leon, I'm sorry you are still not happy. I would have hoped that peace was in your heart. Please, just disregard all I said. I will still leave you peace, for what its worth to you. Peace
---Mark_V. on 3/6/12


"...we can move on to other answers.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12"


Gee, thanks Mark ~ that's so very kind of you! :D
---Leon on 3/6/12


Leon, I'm glad you see things the right way. We are not always going to agree. The main thing is the Word of God. Not whether I'm right or you are right since this has no bearing on our salvation, but whether the infants go to heaven or not. It was just that nowhere in the story does it say the son was in heaven, only that the father was going to meet him, because his son could not come to him. Actually in Scripture it talks about a lot of stories and if you notice hardly does it say whether someone was saved or not. Thanks, we can move on to other answers.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12


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"Leon, if you are going to get upset when someone answers your blog why do you even post it?....If it causes you to sin [HUH!] :),...You said,
'You wrongly claim what David felt & said about his dead son was only his opinion (or as you're often given to say "speculation").'...David assumed [speculated :]...You have to speculate [?] it was heaven...
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12"


Mark: I'm not upset, but you clearly are in a passive- aggressive way. How often must I say this before you get it, i.e., you be Mark & I'll be Leon (not Mini-Mark)! :D

It's okay that you don't get my point on what the Bible truely reveals concerning David's statement. It's not a salvation issue. Peace!
---Leon on 3/5/12


Leon, if you are going to get upset when someone answers your blog why do you even post it? You are going to get different answers that you are not going to agree with. If it causes you to sin, then your blogs are only hurting you.
You said,
"You wrongly claim what David felt & said about his dead son was only his opinion (or as you're often given to say "speculation")."

Leon, was God speaking? I don't think so. Did God say, your son is in heaven? No. David assumed he was going to meet him. It does not say that he would see him in heaven or hell are in the grave for that matter. You have to speculate it was heaven.
Was David without sin? I don't think so. Look what he did.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12


Mark: True to form, brother, you are once again dragging a whole lot of fluff into the conversation. If it floats your boat, please feel free to agree with Lee indefinitely. :]

You wrongly claim what David felt & said about his dead son was only his opinion (or as you're often given to say "speculation"). The Bible is very clear on what David said & what God didn't say to him in reprimand.

The point of this blog is David wasn't corrected by God in Scripture concerning the matter. So, it really isn't debatable since the Lord didn't say David erred. The lack of a rebuke from God "indirectly" settles the matter. It's that simple!

Peace to you too. :)
---Leon on 3/4/12


Leon, I like a lot of the subjects you bring up because they allow me to study more and many times new revelation is brought to us that God wants us to know. But when we do discuss godly matters we cannot get mad. If you do then others will not discuss anything. You said to Lee,

"In David's situation, biblical "silence" speaks loudly to persons who have an ear to hear. Obviously, you're not one such person. So be it ~ have a nice day!"

There was no need for that when debating godly matters. Give the Word, explain what you mean, but don't get mad as so many others who respond by getting angry, be different. I love you brother, Peace.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12


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Leon, brother, I agree with what Lee said. I believe what you have wrong is your hermenuitics. The whole Bible is the Word of God which is Truth. When God speaks in the Bible is always Truth. What man speak in the Bible may or may not be true, what satan speaks it is always mixed with truth and lie.
What is written of David is Truth. What he experienced and his feelings are his own.
Second, are you debating that David's son is in heaven because of what David said? This is a good debate and we can all make attempts to get to the Truth. Peace.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/12


// Don't you know sometimes silence communicates better than verbalized words?

Very rarely are arguments from silence convincing.

The fact is all humankind is born into sin due to the sin of Adam. Romans 15, 1 Cor. 15.

If you say babies go to heaven upon their death, then you truly have to believe in a salvation of works as well as salvation outside of Christ.
---lee1538 on 3/4/12


"The view that God did not rebuke David on the death of his son, is really an argument from silence.
---lee1538 on 3/3/12"


Okay Lee! Like I said, that's your "assumption", not what the Bible actually says. Don't you know sometimes silence communicates better than verbalized words? In David's situation, biblical "silence" speaks loudly to persons who have an ear to hear. Obviously, you're not one such person. So be it ~ have a nice day! :)
---Leon on 3/3/12


leon//Regarding God's justice, I want to reiterate, what God says about Himself in the Bible (Is. 55:9) should be the rock on which every believer's stands. Not our sinking sand, invalid assumptions.
---
Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

We all too often make assumptions because we really do not think like God thinks, nor can we ever.

The view that God did not rebuke David on the death of his son, is really an argument from silence.




---lee1538 on 3/3/12


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Jesus said, "I do nothing of myself, but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things."
and,
John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him."
While God may ultimately save a man whom He have had LEFT ALONE, that surely is not doctrine to preach as you do.
The example from Jesus is, to learn from the Father and to do his will.

Hebrews 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"
Is that what you call being co-savior then, we are. Do you think on being saved without seeing the Lord? Perhaps sneak through a back door?
---Nana on 3/3/12


"The belief that babies go to heaven upon their deaths can only be an assumption based on what we view as justice from our own perspective..."

Lee: Can only be an assumption? Hmmm! You certainly are entitled to your opinion (assumption). However, what you said doesn't square with what "the Bible says". If what David said is inaccurate, where is the recorded rebuke from God in Scripture? For you, or anyone else, to play off biblical statements like David's undermines the integrity of the Bible.

Regarding God's justice, I want to reiterate, what God says about Himself in the Bible (Is. 55:9) should be the rock on which every believer's stands. Not our sinking sand, invalid assumptions.
---Leon on 3/3/12


Lee, what you said was very true, God does not save anyone on the basis of works.
"For by gace you have been saved through faith, 'and that not of yourselves' it is a gift of God' not of works, lest anyone should boast" ( Eph. 2:8,9).
If we were saved by our works we would boast and take the glory that only belongs to God.
Jesus did heal on the basis of faith before He died on the Cross, some without faith. And still does to this day, faith in the will of God.
What the passages in (Matt. 9:2) does tell us is that only Jesus who is God can forgive sins. And will forgive them if a person has true saving faith in Him.
---Mark_V. on 3/3/12


Nana//Does God heal on the basis of faith?

While God honors faith, there really can be no salvation apart from the working of His Spirit in our lives.

Was the Apostle Paul saved because of his faith? No, as God raised him up for the purpose of His will.

If something within us is necessary for our salvation, then clearly we are co-saviors with Christ and we esssentially save ourselves.
---lee1538 on 3/3/12


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"The view that God saves on the basis of works or lack of works,..."
---lee1538 on 3/2/12

Does God heal on the basis of faith?
Of course,
Mattew 9:2 "And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, be of good cheer, thy sins be forgiven thee." (even the faith of others!).
Matthew 9:22 "..., Daughter, be of good comfort, thy faith hath made thee whole..."

Yes, God can show grace and save the servant spoken in Matt. 24:44_51 but, what does Jesus say the consequence of that servant's works was to be?
Something like be cut assunder and share with the hypocrites unto weeping and gnashing of teeth?
---Nana on 3/2/12


The belief that babies go to heaven upon their deaths can only be an assumption based on what we view as justice from our own perspective.

Man is born with the sin nature from Adam.

The view that God saves on the basis of works or lack of works, is simply not supported by scripture. God is sovereign and salvation can only be by His grace alone.
---lee1538 on 3/2/12


I posted this blog because of what some bloggers said on the "WAYS TO GO TO HEAVEN" blog, regarding King David's statement about seeing his dead son again. (2 Sam. 23) Because God didn't rebuke David in the Bible for saying that, I believe it's absolutely true (Bible accurate) & proves infants (children before the age of accountability) really do return to God at death. GOD IS JUST!!! (Is. 55:9)
---Leon on 3/2/12


Jack, I'm totally surprise you gave a great answer. God doesn't make anyone sin, He knows they will, way before they do. And in order to complete His own purpose and will for the people, He allowed Pharaoh to hardened his own heart even more. It was all in God's plan from the very beginning. In life God protected him so that one day he would rise to be a pharaoh. Undoubtely Pharaoh thought his position and actions were his own free choice to accomplish his own purposes, but in reality he was there to serve God's purpose. "For the Scriptures says to the Pharaoh, "for this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth" ( Rom. 9:17).
---Mark_V. on 3/2/12


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Exactly Ruben! God also foreknew that pharaoh would resist, but also knew what it would take to break him

Exodus 3:19
But I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him. So I will stretch out my hand and strike the Egyptians with all the wonders that I will perform among them. After that, he will let you go.

Proverbs 16:9 shows that we may choose our path, but God directs our steps. He put pharaoh in a position of power (raised him up) and then used pharaohs rebellious heart against him (showed his power by the plagues he sent).
---JackB on 3/1/12


He told Pharaoh, "But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, may show My power in you," Exodus 9:16

--christan on 2/29/12

Prior to that it reads:

" And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart , he and his servants.v 34

Is God contradicting himself, of course not! Scripture is ver clear that God does not make,coerce, or program anyone to sin. Man does it by himself. James 1: 12-14 tells us "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."
---Ruben on 3/1/12


Ruben, what I might add to the issue of Jacob and Esau, is the fact that,
"Not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by on man, even by our father Isaac, "for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand" not of works but of Him who calls, it was said to her, The older shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob I have loved and Esau I have hated"
He said before they were born or had done any good or evil God show His love to Jacob. He was not talking about what Esau later did, for both were sinners, "not of works" but of Him who calls. That the purpose of God according to election might stand.
---Mark_V. on 3/1/12


"Yes, God hates the wicked" Ruben

Glad you know that God hates the wicked. Then you shouldn't have a problem believing "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4 and "For the wicked are reserved for the day of doom, They shall be brought out on the day of wrath." Job 21:30

He told Pharaoh, "But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." Exodus 9:16

Bottomline, God created the wicked for a Holy purpose and Paul simply declares that they are "vessels of wrath prepared for destruction". You believe?
---christan on 2/29/12


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"Clearly God rewards those who prevail and overcome. Jacob's perseverance earned him a new name, Israel."

You're a self-confessed work monger which is definitely not an attribute of a Christian. What is it that you do not understand about election? Jacob was faithful simply because "it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." There's no way Jacob would become unfaithful to God, that's because He's God's elect from eternity.

Didn't Christ teach, "For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him." Jacob received his reward because God had already pre-ordained them to him.
---christan on 2/29/12


Genesis 32:26_28 "And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."

Romans 12:21 "Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"

Clearly God rewards those who prevail and overcome. Jacob's perseverance earned him a new name, Israel.
---Nana on 2/29/12


Twist and turn all you want, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13
---christan on 2/28/12

Yes, God hates the wicked, psalm 5:5-11:5 and Ecc 12:6.

Paul even warns about Esau,
Heb 12:16-17 " Lest there be any fornicator , or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."
---Ruben on 2/29/12


Truth be told in the lives of Jacob and Esau, lies the Sovereignty of God in His Election. If it bothers you so much that I speak of election ever so often and since it is mentioned clearly in the Scriptures, why do you want to hide that from the world?

Or would you rather go round like many, speaking lies that God loves everyone and wants to save everyone? Really? God was explicit when He declared that He only loved Jacob and hated Esau. You have a problem with that truth?

What's the point of minding that road ahead of you when you don't believe or learn anything from what Scripture teaches you about the past and why God created mankind?
---christan on 2/29/12


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Nana, a great passage you gave in support of God with (1 Peter 2:9) But before (9) verse (8) tells us "..They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed " These people who stumble are disobedient to the Word of God, these very people were appointed for that. Then the passage talks about the chosen generation, the royal priesthood, His own special people so that they can proclaim the praises of Him who did what? Who called them out of darkness into His marvelous light. He did that, and they had no choice, because man loved darkness rather then the Light. If God had not called them out of darkness, they would have stayed in the darkness for they loved the darkness rather then the Light.
---Mark_V. on 2/29/12


"A son honors his father, and a servant his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me? says the Lord Almighty. It is you, O priests, who show contempt for my name."
1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
Keep your eyes off of Esau. Should you be not minding the road ahead rather?
---Nana on 2/28/12


"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Romans 8:29,30

Twist and turn all you want, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13
---christan on 2/28/12


christan* "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

It does not say 'My sheep heard my voice, and I knew them, and they followed me.

So we must continue to hear and knowing and following in order to be his sheep!

christan* neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:27-29

Nothing in this scripture verse that says I can not walk away...In fact Luke 15 tells us about someone who was in his Father(God's) hands and walk away!
---Ruben on 2/28/12


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"...when Lot got drunk & slept with his daughters & got them pregnant...although that was poor moral judgment it was true because god didn't rebuke them & so it was okay...? But when Lot's wife look backed that was a really morally bad thing to [do] so he turned her to salt?
---atheist on 2/23/12"


No! :) Though a righteous (G18:23), just man (2 Pt. 2), the Bible shows Lot chose poorly, made a "bad move" by taking his family to live in Sodom. Consequentially, they became a Bible reality show dysfunctional family for all the world to see. Lot lost a disobedient wife, earthly possessions & sired the pagan Ammonite & Moabite nations thru his wayward daughters. Rebuked? Yes!
---Leon on 2/28/12


"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his." 2 Timothy 2:19, "and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. John 10:4,26.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:27-29
---christan on 2/28/12


If I didn't care about you I would not give you the Truth.---MarkV

mark, I have known Jesus as my Lord and Savior for going on 16 years now. My belief in your doctrine apparently didnt matter to Jesus when he knocked at my heart and I opened the door 16 years ago. I wanted him to change my life and save me from my sins and He is. Then I run across an arrogant hyperCal who tells me I dont know God because I dont believe exactly as he does? Give me a break!

Like I said before, it seems your desire to be seen as a teacher of "Truth" has surpassed the importance of encouraging and loving your brothers and sisters in Christ regardless of their denominational background. Whats more important ... knowledge or love?
---JackB on 2/28/12


Scripture is as clear as daylight.---Christan

It sure is.

"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

God took care of the "Limited Atonement" belief in ONE VERSE!
---JackB on 2/28/12


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What we have are two entirely different groups here.

One Group KNOWS from Genesis to Revelation that the Bible is about the REVELATION of Jesus Christ from Genesis to Revelation...


Then we have an entirely different group who see the Bible as the Sovereignty of God, where THEY SAY God can do anything He wants, even LIE, because He's God and cannot be held accountable to anyone for His actions, and where Jesus plays second fiddle.

ANYTHING to take your eyes off Christ.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/12


"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." 1 Corinthians 2:9

It's not that one cannot see nor hear, it's that you cannot believe, period. Scripture is as clear as daylight.

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3,4
---christan on 2/27/12


Jack B, I will say it again, I don't hate anyone. I love everyone. I don't wish for anyone to go to hell. I wish that everyone would be saved. But what I wish, and what God ordained cannot be change. If I didn't care about you I would not give you the Truth. I copy it down for you, give you the verses, explain them to you what they say. What else do you expect from me? I save no one, I change no one hearts for Christ. God does, with His Truth that goes out. It never returns void, it always accomplishes the purpose God intented it for. Many will hear it, and many will reject it. Those who receive it by Faith will be saved. The others will continue their walk rejecting the Truth. I'm only a messenger.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/12


32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
[AND AFTER SEVEN YEARS]
:----.

EXACTLY WHERE did God actually TURN Neb into an animal.....NO SUCH SCRIPTURE states anything like you lied about christan!

You shall be WITH THEM, not one of them!!
---kathr4453 on 2/27/12


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JackB, a old twist on calvinism is kathr4453 misquoting lee1538 saying in teh Sovereignty of God he can change man into a monkey and have it swing from the trees.

If you were to read the post, what was said was that the God is all powerful and in His sovereignity can do whatever He pleases and that with people.

But I am left wondering if Kathyrn can be made to accept the truth of scripture especially if it is also held by Calvin? Perhaps He is content to let her continue to act with the mentality of a monkey.
---lee1538 on 2/27/12


"There is always SOMEONE here that will condemn you because you dont believe exactly what they do." JackB

And you're totally guiltless of this?

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye, and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"
Matthew 7:2-4
---christan on 2/27/12


I don't depend on you and Kathr to be able to change yourselves, you need a touch of the Spirit to bring you alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/12

JackB, a new twist on calvinism is Lee1538 saying in teh Sovereignty of God he can change man into a monkey and have it swing from the trees.
They can say anything they want and call it the "Sovereignty of God" and we're suppose to believe it...and if we don't then we've blasphemed the Sovereignty of God Calvin DOGMA that they can just make up anything they want without any scripture to back it up.

Yes, markV is BITTER to the bone, because Christ in us is so much stronger than their false doctrine that they have no power to enslave us into false teachings.
---kathr4453 on 2/27/12


Jack B, I don't bother God with stupid questions. Why should I waste time asking Him to reveal if you are Kathr? It's your sin not mine.---MarkV

I think youre simply afraid that God might tell you that your assumptions are wrong and that your discernment is compromised by bitterness. The possibility of being wrong seems to be a real issue for you.

Im also still waiting for scripture that shows God has blinded anyone to Christ since his ascension and after the Lords claim that he will draw all men to himself. Do you have any??
---JackB on 2/27/12


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John.usa, As I have already told you, if you choose not to be saved, then that is all on you, and no other soul can be blamed for your free choice to be condemned, you cannot even blame God for you abusing his free gift and you making the poor choice to choose sinuousness over righteousness. It is your free choice that you choose. When a soul is Pro-sin which is AntiChrist, they have chosen condemnation for themself, that is the consequences for disobedience: and when a soul chooses Pro-Christ which is AntiSin, they have chosen salvation for themself. That's the beauty of true love: you have the choice to either accept Christ, or else reject Christ.
---Eloy on 2/26/12


True Johnusa.

There is always SOMEONE here that will condemn you because you dont believe exactly what they do.

If the SDA doesnt condemn you for not attending church on Saturday, the Catholic will condemn you because you dont believe Mary is the "mother of God", or the Calvinist will condemn you because you believe Christ died for everyone, or someone... will condemn you for having a cookout after church.

Everyone is so focused on finding a reason to condemn that they forget to love one another like Jesus commanded us to. What did Jesus say repeatedly that he would judge us by?
---JackB on 2/27/12


Jack B, I don't bother God with stupid questions. Why should I waste time asking Him to reveal if you are Kathr? It's your sin not mine. I go to God with more pressing issues. For after listening to both of you, how you conduct yourselves and what you say about the Word of God, and the rejection of most of His Word, tells me you are far from the Truth. And only He can change your hearts and reveal the Gospel Truth.
I pray for everyone on line, for healing, strength, stronger faith, and that His Truth be revealed to those who are lost. Why? Because I am, as a believer, dependended upon God for everything. I don't depend on you and Kathr to be able to change yourselves, you need a touch of the Spirit to bring you alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/12


John.usa//So God will throw me into the Lake me Fire while all the true Christians clap and praise the Lord for his wisdom and justice. God bless, his will be done.
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I believe that somewhere along the line you will be given an assurance of salvation for God truly loves His creation and wishes all to be saved that would seek Him.

Any religious experience however, must rest on faith in God's word as we see it in scripture.
---lee1538 on 2/26/12


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Mark, I no longer believe everyone will be saved. Y'all have convinced me that I can't be saved because I don't believe as you and Warwick and Christian and Eloy and Lee and the rest believe. So God will throw me into the Lake me Fire while all the true Christians clap and praise the Lord for his wisdom and justice. God bless, his will be done.
---John.usa on 2/26/12


Atheist and Johnusa are no more the same person than I and Kathr are and youve made that accusation in the past also Mark. Ask the LORD for the truth about who is who and get back to us... or is God too "busy" again to answer such a question.
---JackB on 2/26/12


Athiest and Johnusa, thanks for answring. It was not that important. Only similar thing I saw was that both of you make remarks about God, Johnusa is just been sarcastic about the believes of other because he believes everyone will be saved, and you make remarks because you don't believe their is a God. If it was true you both were one, many other similarities would have shown but thank you both for answering.
---Mark_V. on 2/26/12


MarkV,

I do not believe that I am either Cluny or Johnusa, but perhaps I am because I have been tricked by Satan into not believing I am atheist by Satan who is MarkV disguised as Warwick's dog, Jerry.
---atheist on 2/26/12


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The Bible is "God's" word to man, and sometimes man's word back up to God. But we can rest assured the the scriptures were not written to deceive the reader, for what love of the Father would ever lead his children into error? This is where virtue and honesty and integrity and trustworthiness and sacrifice from the author comes in. When a soul truly surrenders up to God and the soul is bound together in love with the Spirit of God, then the words of that consecrated soul will reflect the Spirit, and not reflect error nor deceit.
---Eloy on 2/25/12


MarkV, you got us. The other day people thought I was Cluny, and now Atheist. Well, yes, maybe I am the same as Atheist, and maybe not. I do believe Jesus is the Saviour of the world, and maybe Atheist does too but is under cover.
---John.usa on 2/25/12


Athiest, God did not rebuke Lot, because his daughters got him drunk and he was not aware of what had happened to him. But God did punish the daughters, because their sons were considered unclean and their descendants were considered unclean forever. Their tribes were always considered enemies of God.
---Gena on 2/25/12


mark,

Everywhere on these blogs I see people making statements about god that don't make any sense. All you all the same person?
---atheist on 2/25/12


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Athiest, are you using the name "Johnusa?" He sure sounds like you. Everywhere his name comes up he is making some remark against God. Are you him?
---Mark_V. on 2/25/12


If God doesn't rebuke you, then you can be sure God doesn't care about you. There's a lot of rebuking going on here on these blogs by people claiming to be speaking for God. So by that you can know you are loved.
---John.usa on 2/24/12


atheist,

Bang Bang, Shoot, Shhot.
---aka on 2/24/12


God gave us a method through Paul to rebuke those that are incorrect and standing against what God's word said.
We are to go them one on one and correct them. If the refuse us....
Take two or three with you, ones that they respect or see as friends. If the continues to persist....
They are to be taken in front of the Church (notice the big C in that). And if they still persist with their problem they are to be removed from the fellowship of the Church.
It sounds bad but it is the Biblical method.
---Joshua_Williams on 2/24/12


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So does that mean when Lot got drunk and slept with his daughters and got them pregnant that although that was poor moral judgment it was true because god didn't rebuke them and so it was okay behavior too? But when Lot's wife look backed that was a really morally bad thing to to so he turned her to salt?
---atheist on 2/23/12


in one way or another, when was David in error and not corrected?
---aka on 2/24/12


I agree with the rebuke part and God does rebuke. The problem I see with your statement is that God rebukes people differently and at different times. Thus God breaking someone to become stronger or new can be viewed as a rebuke through human eyes similiar to Job. Job did nothing wrong but God broke him but Ch42:12 says that God blessed Job with twice as much as he had orginially. I would look more to the fruit produced than a rebuke. Good question.
---Scott1 on 2/24/12


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