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Satan Is The Father Of Lies

Scripture teaches Satan is the father of lies. Once again Datstar is having a Share-A_Thon. Marcus Lamb, Steve Munsey, and Mike Murdock, etc were telling out right lies which proves Satan is the one they serve, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.
What are some of the lies you heard these people tell?

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Mark,you said
//But I know who God is, and He is not the one you believe in.//
He is the Son of God.
He lived a sinless life.
He died (for our sins).
He was buried.
He was resurrected from the dead.
He ascended to the Father.

Is this the same God you believe in Mark?
---michael_e on 3/8/12


Haz, you said:
"Sin is transgression of the law. BUT Christ set us FREE from law, Rom 8:2" The context is talking about setting us free from the condemnation of the law and that only.
Then you gave:
". And where NO LAW is, there is NO TRANSGRESSION/sin, Rom 4:15"
In the context it does not mean there is no laws of God. It means that believers by faith are not under the condmnation of the law anymore, as if it was not there. The law does not disappear. It is condemning those who have no faith. Believers still have to obey the moral laws of God, but are not condemned anymore. "of faith" refers to justification that is through faith alone, according to grace, not man's faith.
---Mark_V. on 3/8/12


Quotes Haz, quotes! If you can't produce them, then be a man and admit your error.



---jerry6593 on 3/8/12


>Sin is a transgression of what law, the law of Moses?

The law refers to the 10 C's the law of Moses refers, in general, to the ceremonial laws.
---David_J._Conklin on 3/8/12


David_J._Conklin//Sin is transgression of the Law. Knowingly sinning will cost you your soul.
---
Sin is a transgression of what law, the law of Moses?

The law says males must undergo circumcision, and if they do not, are they then transgressors of the law?

Since the Jerusalem council Acts 15 did not mandate circumcision or other OT laws to Gentile believers, was the church then in error when they made these decisions?

Await your answer.
---lee1538 on 3/7/12




"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."
Galatians 3:10-12

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10
---christan on 3/7/12


David Conklin said: "Knowingly sinning will cost you your soul."

David, consider this.
Sin is transgression of the law. BUT Christ set us FREE from law, Rom 8:2. And where NO LAW is, there is NO TRANSGRESSION/sin, Rom 4:15

Christians are righteous in Christ. And the law is NOT made for the righteous, but for sinners, 1Tim 1:9.

But SDAs are under the law thus making themselves transgressors/sinners, Gal 2:18, as they CANNOT keep it perfectly, James 2:10.

And if you sin willfully (your under the law and transgress it) after having the knowledge of the truth (Christ) then your lost, Heb 10:26. You have not seen him nor known him, 1John3:6

Following SDA doctrine will cost you your soul.

---Haz27 on 3/7/12


Consider Paul, "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews, as touching the law, a Pharisee, Concerning zeal, persecuting the church, touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, NOT having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith"
---JackB on 3/7/12


Quotes Haz, quotes! If you can't produce them, then be a man and admit your error.


---jerry6593 on 3/7/12


Francis and Jerry, I have share this before and I will share this again.

If a person wants to know the truth about SDA's, all they need to do is google "WHAT SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST WON'T TELL YOU".
---Rob on 3/7/12




>If we don't keep the Saturday Sabbath does that affect our salvation?

Sin is transgression of the Law. Knowingly sinning will cost you your soul.
---David_J._Conklin on 3/6/12


To prove you are both a LIARS, all a person needs to do is read your previous posts on these blogs. You both reject the letter the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church in Galatia. ---Rob on 3/4/12

Well then let me prove YOU are liar on TWO counts
1: Post any posting where SDA reject Galatians,. YOu will not because SDA do not reject any part of Galatians
which makes you a liar

2: you were never a SDA, you may have grown up in a SDA household, but you were never a SDA. None of your post suggest an understanding of anything taught in the SDA church. If you know anything about SDA teaching post SDA teachings on salvation by grace or righteousness by faith
---francis on 3/6/12


jerry6593: I find it hard to believe that you have not been following the debates against SDAs like Francis to have missed the references to his claims that only the "doers of the law are justified" and that those who don't are lost. Either you are being deceitful in your accusations against us or you are ignorant of the facts.

You seem/act upset about our criticism of SDA doctrine so perhaps you can clear up YOUR position by answering this questions.
If we don't keep the Saturday Sabbath does that affect our salvation?
---Haz27 on 3/6/12


Sorry, Mark, I thought you decided to believe what the Word said.

2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which BELIEVE NOT..
---michael_e on 3/6/12


Haz: Are you Rob? All I hear from you is more un-Christian hate spew. If you are so sure that our doctrines are not what we say they are, please be so kind as to provide the quotes from our own posts. If you can't, then have the decency to retract your statements.


---jerry6593 on 3/6/12


Michael E, I do not admit to your false believes. Satan is the god of the fallen evil world. Not everyone in this world is fallen, so he is not god of believers. God almighty is God of heaven and earth. Get it right. Don't ever replace God with Satan.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/12


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jerry6593: Thanks for answering my question of whether you support the same false doctrine as Francis.

I fail to understand why you falsely accuse others here of lying when you do clearly believe SDA error doctrine of justification as doers of the law.

But Rom 11:6 says, "But if it be of works, then is it no more grace".
Clearly you CAN't mix law and grace as SDAs do.

And Rev 3:15,16 " I know thy works , that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, I will spew thee out of my mouth".

SDAs are the lukewarm in that they mix law and grace.
---Haz27 on 3/5/12


//Satan is the god of the fallen evil world though. And those people are blind already//

2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not..

Thanks Mark for finally admitting the Word is right.
---michael_e on 3/5/12


Rhonda, great answer you gave. You see I can say you do give good answers many times, you were right on. Satan is the god of the fallen evil world though. And those people are blind already, that is why he is their father. They do the desires of their father already and don't even know it. Great answer, peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12


Rob: "Once again you have proven yourself along with Francis to be LIARS!"

You may not be aware of this, but lying is a violation of God's Ten Commandment Law - which Law Francis and I uphold, whereas you do not. You are also apparently unaware of the fact that calling someone a LIAR when they are not lying is itself a LIE, and thus the caller is a LIAR.

You claim to have proof of our having claimed a "SDA DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION THROUGH THE LAW". Produce it, or have the integrity to appologize for your un-Christian remarks. Even our friend the Atheist exhibits better Christian decorum on this site than you do.



---jerry6593 on 3/5/12


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I love the teachings of Paul who describes sin as something he KNOWS he should not do

the war going on in Paul's mind (the same in all Believers minds) that knows it should not sin yet because our minds are hostile to GOD we still want to sin

knowledge of sin brings man to realization he depends on GOD through prayer to help him overcome sin

Satan who is also known as the devil and the god of this world and the prince of the power of air broadcasts his evil attitudes to the human race ...Satan who was once the light bringer the perfect Archangel Lucifer is the father of lies and seeks to deceive many about GODS Truth and HIS Kingdom to come ...doing this through the traditions of man and false systems of Satans world
---Rhonda on 3/4/12


Jerry 2: If God does not know everything He is not God. If God is not controlling the affairs of the world and man, His not God. He did not create everything and just left. He cannot leave, He is Omnipresent. He cannot give His authority, if He does He is not God. He is Sovereign God of heaven and earth. He never learns anything, He is all knowing. Did you ever stop to think about who God is? For He says:
"Remember the former things of old, for I am God. And there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, sayin, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure..Yea, I have spoken, I will bring it to pass, I have purposed, I will also do it"
---Mark_V. on 3/4/12


jerry //There is no "SDA doctrine of justification through the law".

The Adventist doctrine called the Investigative Judgment is totally a justification through the law doctrine.

Under the Adventist Investigative Judgment doctrine those in Christ are to be judged based on their works to determine if they merit eternal life. And if this is not a justification by works, then what is?

What does scripture teach?

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
---lee1538 on 3/4/12


Hello Trish. It is very refreshing and encouraging to hear that you use discernment and are able to recognize those who are FALSE TEACHERS, and are SERVANTS OF SATAN.

What is sad is there are so many people who don't use discernment and believe the lies they hear on both TBN and Daystar.

Scripture teaches we are to expose FALSE TEACHERS, but there are those who won't do this because they are COWARDS, they want to be POLITICALY CORRECT, and the don't want to OFFEND anyone through sharing GOD"S TRUTH.

May GOD BLESS YOU!
---Rob on 3/4/12


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Jerry, you wrote "THERE IS NO SDA DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION THROUGH THE LAW".

Once again you have proven yourself along with Francis to be LIARS! To prove you are both a LIARS, all a person needs to do is read your previous posts on these blogs. You both reject the letter the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church in Galatia. Remember scripture teaches that SATAN IS THE FATHER OF LIES.

Remember, I know what the SDA's teach and preach, because I grew up in a SDA home, and I have read many of the writings of Ellen G. White.

I expect you will write I am BASHING THE SDA's. This is because you HATE and REJECT GOD'S TRUTHS, and you hold onto the FALSE TEACHINGS of Ellen G. White!
---Rob on 3/4/12


jerry6593: Does your SDA doctrine differ from that of Francis? We constantly hear from Francis, Rom 2:13 "For not the hearers of he law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified".

By all means speak out against Francis and let us know if he is misleading us about SDA doctrine on Rom 2:13.
But if you agree with him then why make the false accusation that I am lying?

I suggest you make your position clear. Either your under grace OR your lukewarm like Francis who mixes grace and law.
---Haz27 on 3/4/12


Jerry, don't you realize that God already knows what you will do? or for that matter what everyone is going to do? You sin because you want to sin, God does not make you. Haven't you stop to think who God is? He sees the whole plan right before Him in the present. He is outside of time. And everything He purpose or ordained will come to pass just as He has told us. Even the second of your death and how you are going to die, and what you are going to teach is written already. What you do in life has already been determined. If you do evil, or if you do good. However your life will end is already known by God. If you decide to kill someone, it is known by God before the thought is in your mind. He knows all things because He ordained all things.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/12


Hazz: "The SDA doctrine of justification through the law"

Do you think that the constant repetition of a lie will make it the truth? There is no "SDA doctrine of justification through the law". We believe that we are justified by faith in the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross - nothing else. By your logic, I should conclude that you and Leest believe yourselves justified by distortions of Paul's writings and interdenominational hatred.


---jerry6593 on 3/4/12


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Jerry //How can you brazenly call Jesus words "not applicable" and still call yourself a Christian?

You fail to understand Christianity is more a relationship than it is an ethical system.

As to the law, Christians are to follow that ministry of the Spirit and not that ministry of death & condemnation. 2 Cor. 3:7,9

The law for the Christian was merely a schoolmaster or guardian to bring us to Christ.

Ga 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Usually the legalist calls himself a Christian but all he really has is a religion not a relationship.
---lee1538 on 3/4/12


jerry6593. Why do you disobey his commandments (1John3:23) then?

1John3:23 "And this is His commandment: that we should BELIEVE on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and LOVE one another, as He gave us commandment."

The SDA doctrine of justification through the law is UNBELIEF.

You make yourself a transgressor (sinner) by being under the law (Gal 2:18).

And "if we sin (being under the law thus making yourself a transgressor) willfully after having the knowledge of the truth (Christ), there remains no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" Heb 10:26,27
---Haz27 on 3/3/12


Leest: "laws that are obsolete and not applicable to the Christian walk."

Oh! Do you mean the ones that Jesus wrote Himself and declared that not one jot or tittle of them would change while heaven and earth remain? Those laws?

How can you brazenly call Jesus words "not applicable" and still call yourself a Christian?


---jerry6593 on 3/3/12


lee1538 on 3/3/12
Righteousness by faith is the imputing and imparting of the results of Christ sinless life and atoning death. It includes both justification and sanctification. He imputes, or credits, to us the merits of His sinless experience to deliver us from the PENALTY of sin. This is justification. To deliver us from the power of sin, He does not merely reckon us as righteous, but He actually imparts the strength to OVERCOME sin.
---francis on 3/3/12


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And you can also add that to the Adventists imparted righteousness is observing laws that are obsolete and not applicable to the Christian walk.

They really want to believe the righteousness wrought by the flesh counts in the eyes of God but fail to realize that any righteousness on our part is but filthy rags in God's sight.

They really want to boast in their obedience to commandments as they then can declare themselves to be more righteous than others.
---lee1538 on 3/3/12


Francis said: "we accept that as christians we should not BE FOUND SINNERS,"

But SDAs believe in 2 types of righteousness and it's the "imparted" righteousness which is SDA proof of salvation. Unfortunately SDAs fail on their "imparted righteousness". They don't even observe the Sabbath correctly. SDAs are deluded claiming justification as doers of the law when they clearly fail at doing it.

SDAs are "FOUND SINNERS" as they build up the law for themselves thus making themselves "transgressors" (sinners),Gal 2:18.

Gal 5:4 says to SDAs "Christ has become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace"
---Haz27 on 3/3/12


MarkV: "When someone sins they sin purposely, they have a purpose why they decide to sin."

How do you reconcile that with your predestination philosophy that the elect are saved independent of their choices, and the lost are lost regardless of them?

Are you ready to declare that it is a Christian's RIGHT to violate God's Ten Commandments as he sees fit?


---jerry6593 on 3/3/12


As clearly depicted in the Adventists Fundamental Beliefs, if you do not observe all the 10 commandments especially the Sabbath, you really are not a Christian.

So Jerry & Francis are here trying to convert people to what they view as the one true faith.They think all non-Adventists have is merely religion.

1Co 13:3 (Adventist version) If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love nor observe the Sabbath, I gain nothing.
---lee1538 on 3/2/12


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Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Can a Adventist really understand this?
---lee1538 on 3/1/12
we do understand this, and we also believe this:
Galations 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

We not only accept righteousness by faith, we accept that as christians we should not BE FOUND SINNERS, because CHRIST IS NOT THE MINISTER OF SIN.

Do you understand that?
---francis on 3/2/12


Jerry, what you take as an attack is not an attack. you believe it is, but it is not. I was answering to what you said. Purposely you said. When someone sins they sin purposely, they have a purpose why they decide to sin. They knew they shouldn't but still did without anyone forcing them, not even the enemy. No one is forced to sin, unless someone put a gun to your head and forces you. Then you would not be guilty, for we are judged by our motives and desires. I don't hate you are attack you, I answer to what you and others write. Your purpose has always been for keeping the Saturday law. And because you do, you want everyone else to follow your teachings and be under the Law as you are.
---Mark_V. on 3/2/12


y do Christin's Mock there brothers and sisters in christ do we not all fight for him?
Are we not all sharing the same word of god? so brothers and sisters stop letting non Christian people's words control your heart's to children of god
---curtis on 3/2/12


MarkV: Surely you must recognize that my harsh language to Lee is merely his own words thrown back to him with slight modification. If you find the language offensive, why don't you attack the originator?


---jerry6593 on 3/2/12


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Good point lee1538: The likes of the EGW followers believe one of the biggest lies ever told by the devil.

For such people we see Prov 16:25 say:
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death".

---Haz27 on 3/1/12


I've never heard Daystar. I know,Satan has a job,to steal souls by making them believe his lies and sin. He walks to and fro as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Satan will lie to anyone who opens the door for him to do so. To avoid Satan forsake worldy ways,know the Bible,Jesus told Satan it is written and rebuked him,so can we. If we live in the Spirit,by the Word,in the power God gave us through Jesus Name,which is power over all the power of the enemy,obedience to God,and resisting the Devil he will flee from us. Christians need to realize we are warriors in the war against evil and for holy good. The weapons of our warfare are love,faith,trust in God,hope prayer,worship,praise,knowledge,God's Word. Total commitment to God.
---Darlene_1 on 3/1/12


//Pity the poor struggling dummy that thinks he can go to heaven while purposely commiting sin!

Rather pity the poor struggling dummy who thinks he can obey all the law and thus merit eternal life.

Such are they whom Galatians spoke of.

Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified (declared righteous) by the law, you have fallen away from grace.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Can a Adventist really understand this?
---lee1538 on 3/1/12


Jerry, just because you believe in Saturday Sabbath you think you are holy and all others, sinners. You forgot you sin all the time purposely.
You said,,

"Pity the poor struggling dummy that thinks he can go to heaven while purposely commiting sin!"

Then, I will say pity you. For you are one of many poor struggling dummy. Why? Because you say that he thinks he can go to heaven while purposely committing sin"
When you sin, you puposely sin. You have a purpose for sinning are you would never sin. No one sins without a purpose. You get tempted, you make a choice, no one makes you, your desire for the sin was greater then your desire to please God at the moment of the tempation. In fact pity everyone.
---Mark_V. on 3/1/12


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//One lie Satan has promoted even among some on this forum is one can be saved while continuing to rebelliously transgress God's Ten Commandment Law.

One lie Satan and his minions, the legalists promote is the belief one is justified (declared righteous) not by faith but by the law.Romans 3:20,24,28

The Adventist legalist rejects the view that salvation is gift and that "we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:8-10

They wish to boast in the flesh how well they have obeyed the 10 commandments and thus merit eternal salvation.

Truly their god, the god of this world has blinded them from seeing the truth. 2 cor.4:4
---lee1538 on 3/1/12


One lie that Satan has promoted even among some on this forum is that one can be saved while continuing to rebelliously transgress God's Ten Commandment Law.

Sanctification is the work of Christ within us and all we can do is to cooperate by not fighting against it.

Pity the poor struggling dummy that thinks he can go to heaven while purposely commiting sin!


---jerry6593 on 3/1/12


Rob: Rather than expose oneself to the lies of Daystar, wouldn't it be wiser to teach young believers the Truth of God's Word, and encourage them to discern the Truth of the teachings of Daystar.

It's like the TV preachers on Sunday mornings, who buy time of various broadcast and cable channels. Having just spent two months shut-in, and unable to attend my own church, I would channel surf, and see a variety of charlatans who spout their lies. God has given me the wisdom and discernment to know who is lying.
---Trish on 2/28/12


It seems like attention is being placed on FOX.

Is this a ploy of Satan to keep attention away from Daystar, and TBN, and who they truly are, what they are about, and what they are doing.
---Rob on 2/28/12


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Shira and Haz, I agree with both of you on this one. I have no clue why any born of the Spirit believer would vote for the liberal cause, but really, I'm not surprise by what today's Christians do. They also have the ACLU to help their cause. Fox is the only station not bought by liberals. Most newspapers are liberal, most actors are liberal, and most Californian's are liberal. Here, everything goes. Even pedophiles have rights to meet in schools, just like everyone else. The rights of the people whether wicked or not.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/12


Trish: Our mainstream media in Australia is dominated by the liberal/Left and clearly the USA is in the same position.

Part of the problem here (maybe same in USA too) is that the liberal/Left also dominate the university subjects of Journalism, Arts, Philosphy and History. In this they indoctrinate students with their political bias.

One university lecturer even told me of the bullying she suffered from Leftist academics when she refused to indoctrinate her students with the Leftist ideology they demanded she present.
---Haz27 on 2/27/12


Shira, you are deluded if you think Fox is telling the truth. They perpetuate lies constantly.
---Trish on 2/27/12


Fox news is the only channel that tells the truth. I have seen many others twist things around to sound a certain way. Thank God we have one that tells it like it is.
---shira4368 on 2/27/12


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Trish: I really can't comment on Fox News. I know nothing about them.
But I do know that it is always liberals/Lefties who denigrate it.
And I know the Free-To-Air media are far worse than the examples you gave against Fox.

Here in Australia our liberal/Left dominated media is incapable of telling the truth. Also I read a publication by a liberal/Left activist that the Free-To-Air media in the USA is dominated by the liberals/Left who deceive to manipulate public opinion in the USA.

If Fox is deceitful as you say, they can't possibly be as bad as the Free-To-Air media.
---Haz27 on 2/27/12


Haz: Blogger's information is wrong. FOX News perpetuated the myth that President Obama was not a U.S. citizen for a very long time, and also reported that President Bush's reasons for starting the war in Iraq was justified, even after it came out that there were no weapons of mass destruction. FOX is more extreme to the right than any other American media station. CNN is more centrist. MSNBC is liberal, but not as extreme as it could be.
---Trish on 2/27/12


//If Jesus did die for the "whole world", then everybody should be in Paradise. christa on 2/25/12//

christa, the wages of sin is death. To them that RECEIVE Him, to those He gives the gift of eternal life.

Yes, Jesus died for everyone's sins, but not everyone receives that truth and if you don't, then you don't reap the benefit of His death which is ETERNAL LIFE!!!

Only to them that receive, to them He gives the Gift of Eternal Life.
---anon on 2/27/12


One lie that Satan has promoted even among some on this forum is that one can become sinless by obedience to law.

Sanctification is the work of God's Spirit within the Christians and all we can do is to cooperate.

Pity the poor struggling dummy that thinks he can reform the flesh!
---lee1538 on 2/27/12


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1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Romans 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
---micha9344 on 2/27/12


//Seems like a more effective lie would be that you can do very bad things to one another, still be forgiven, and go to heaven. That way "Satan" can encourage people to do bad, everyone can hurt each other, and still think it will be okay for themselves in the end.
---atheist on 2/26/12 //


Very perspicacious!

Many examples of such behavior can be seen on these blogs.


---jerry6593 on 2/27/12


Blogger9211 said: "Fox is the only media service disseminating honest News reporting in the USA."

Thanks Blogger. I'm in Australia and do not subscribe to cable TV, hence I know nothing about Fox news except that Leftists always denigrate it. It's good to hear that Fox offers honest news compared to the Left/liberal dominated Free-To-Air media.
---Haz27 on 2/26/12


//Seems like a more effective lie would be that you can do very bad things to one another, still be forgiven, and go to heaven.

Merely the other side of that same wooden nickel!

While works no matter how good and sincere do not determine salvation, the lack of works in ones live would mean that there is something wrong for God in His Spirit does discipline all who would come to Him transforming them into a bride for His son in the age to come.

When we come to faith in Christ, we are given a new nature that abhors sin. 2 cor. 5:17.
---lee1538 on 2/26/12


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atheist, The passage is sinners performing good deeds are filthy rags: but Christian saints doing good deeds shine brighter than the sun. Christ Commands: "Thus let shine your light in the sight of persons, that they may see your Good Works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. For I say to you, except your righteousness be more plenteous than of teachers and of ministers, you all will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. For the Son of man will come in the glory who's Father of him, with the angels of him, then he will reward to each according to the Works of them." Please Read- Revelation 14:13.
---Eloy on 2/26/12


"One lie that Satan often uses is that if we do good things, we are truly Christians. However, works no matter how good, are viewed as filthy rags in God's eyes."

Seems like a more effective lie would be that you can do very bad things to one another, still be forgiven, and go to heaven. That way "Satan" can encourage people to do bad, everyone can hurt each other, and still think it will be okay for themselves in the end.
---atheist on 2/26/12


Lee, I agree with you.

Also, I shared with Trish, what is the only reason I do watch TBN and Daystar.
---Rob on 2/26/12


One lie that Satan often uses is that if we do good things, we are truly Christians. However, works no matter how good, are viewed as filthy rags in God's eyes.

Rob, I am surprised you would waste your time watching apostate teachers on TV. They only have an agenda to market themselves or peddle their religion. Like the literature you read, you need to be selective.
---lee1538 on 2/26/12


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Y'all are welcome to believe Satan is a god. I don't. You are welcome to believe God is not in complete control, that things are out of his control. It's okay by me. You can believe what you want to believe. If Satan had been created perfect, he would still be perfect. So he wasn't created perfect. He was created flawed like you and me.
---John.usa on 2/26/12


i heard myself tell me how good i am.
---aka on 2/25/12


Satan is the Father of Lies because that's the job God gave him.---John.usa

God does not tempt his creations with sin. Scripture declares it.

Satan inherited his job when he turned against God. God did not make satan who he is. God made him perfect. His pride made him satan.
---JackB on 2/26/12


Satan is the Father of Lies because that's the job God gave him. He's not working on his own, independently of God. God runs the whole show, all the good and all the evil.
---John.usa on 2/25/12

If god exists, and he's omnipresent, omnipotent, and etc. why would he need a satan to do the lying? Couldn't he do it all himself. that way he'd be sure to do it right...
---atheist on 2/26/12


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I seems we have quite a number on mentally retarded Democrats blogging on this hideous topic. Fox is the only media service disseminating honest News reporting in the USA.
---Blogger9211 on 2/26/12


Johnusa, that is not a lie, though you praised you answer wrong. Satan is the father life lies, and that is not the job God gave him, that is the job that God knew he would do. God permitted him to do what he did. Satan is not in control of anything that God doesn't permit. He is bound by God. If God who is sovereign wanted to get rid of him, He could. One day God will put him away, and the world will be free of him. Only God controls everything that happens in life for He is an Omnipotent God.
---Mark_V. on 2/26/12


Satan is the Father of Lies because that's the job God gave him. He's not working on his own, independently of God. God runs the whole show, all the good and all the evil.
---John.usa on 2/25/12


Trish: The Free-To-Air Media are just as bad (if not worse) than Fox news. It's stupid to listen to Free-To-Air News believing they are reporting the truth.

We should research the facts ourselves to see if the truth is being told by the news media.
Likewise we as Christians should search the scriptures to confirm if what the preacher is saying is correct.
---Haz27 on 2/25/12


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Trish, some people watch TBN and Daystar, so they can warn others about their latest scheme and con game, along with those of the WOF.

It never ceases to amaze me people will believe these peoples lies, send them money, buy their books, CD's, and DVD's.

But you can't get people to follow the instruction found in 2 Timothy 2:15-19, and the example found in Acts 17:11.
---Rob on 2/25/12


LIE1: That Jesus Christ died for the "whole world" and yet multitudes are already in Hades and multitudes to come. If Jesus did die for the "whole world", then everybody should be in Paradise. After all, Jesus Christ is God, right? Isn't God Almighty? So, what god are these people preaching? Answer: A god of their vain imagination direct from their father of lies.

LIE2: That one has to choose Christ by using their "free-will" in order to be saved. Christ contradicted these liars, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44. So what "free-will" are they talking about?
---christa on 2/25/12


Why would an intelligent believer in Christ tune to a channel where the people are lying about God's Word. That is as stupid as people watching FOX News, and believing they are reporting the truth.
---Trish on 2/25/12


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