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Act Of Man's Free Will

One person here said, "It is an act of mans free will (John 1:11-13). When an individual chooses to respond in faith, welcoming Jesus into his life, he becomes a new creation" Is there truth in that?

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Nana thank you,you gave some interesting verses too. If we just follow Christ and live by the Bible we won't go wrong.
---Darlene_1 on 3/6/12


Eloy
How all you have to do is show me one!
Show me, born of the devil or son of the devil.
Show me it in the bible or even coming from the devil.

All you are showing me is a man who believes the devil has God children.
Trying to make some believe, that the devil has a son, shame on you.
Paul was shaming him Act 13:10 for a season!
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Trying to take away the joy of Christians through deception!
A child can be fool, not a man!
---TheSeg on 3/5/12


Eloy, good answer. Not everyone is a child of God, for not everyone has faith in Christ:

"But as many as receive Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, "who where born," not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, "but of God" ( John 1:12,13).

those who believe are born of God, and those only. It does not include those who are not born of God. Those other children are "..walking according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" They are by "nature children of wrath."
---Mark_V. on 3/6/12


Ruben O Ruben, you are indeed very "cunning" when you quote verses from the Scriptures. I show you a verse from Exodus 4:21 that God declared He will harden Pharaohs heart.

Then you quote a verse 34 without the chapter - deliberately i must say. Really "cunning", just like someone else. Here's the chronological verses that God declared He will harden Pharaoh's heart: Exodus 4:21, 7:3,13,14,22.

The verse you "quoted" does not appear until well into Exodus 9:34 - the after effect of God's hands in hardening Pharaoh's heart. And do you think this "hardening by God" stopped at only Pharaoh? Think real hard.
---christan on 3/6/12


Ruben, and of cause this was evil right.
Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

Oh Ruben
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Why do people keep looking around to see who sinned?
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/5/12




//And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: BUT I WILL HARDEN HIS HEART, that he shall not let the people go." Exodus 4:21

If the Lord God did not rule over the affairs of His creation, then we would have to assume that some of man's actions would take Him by surprise and that He is really not in control and that He has to modify His plans all the time.
---lee1538 on 3/5/12


Seg, All are not sons of God, Jesus clearly declares that there are also sons of the devil: John 8:44. We need to use righteous judgment to discern between the two: Matthew 7:21, John 7:24. When God gave his word to man saying, "Know you not if you do well you will receive it? But if you do evil, by and by your sin lies open in the door, Notwithstanding let it be subdued to you, and see you rule it." when he strove with man like this for 16 centuries since the beginning, did he save all the world? or was only 8 souls saved out of the whole world? Indeed only 8 humans. And so he says again, before his consuming fire, "Nevertheless, when I come, will I find faith on the earth?
---Eloy on 3/5/12


" thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: BUT I WILL HARDEN HIS HEART, that he shall not let the people go." Exodus 4:21-christan

" And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants. .v 34

Is God contradicting himself, of course not! Scripture is ver clear that God does not make,coerce, or program anyone to sin. Man does it by himself. James 1: 12-14 tells us "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."
---Ruben on 3/5/12


When people refuse to humble themselves and accept God then God hardens their heart,
Eloy on 3/5/12

You know Christ not only said:
Joh_12:47
He also said:
Joh_9:39
I could ask you what you see in this. But Im going to die one day.
So let me tell you what I see first.

God is not going to judge the world, why? That is already done!
He has found it guilty. Rom_3:10!

Believe me! I know we all want to find something good in us!
Well Christ is trying to tell you, how to find it. Luk 17:20-21!
You cant observe it!

You believe you are a son of God, right!
I believe we all are!
Well, Joh_5:22
Remember sons of God! Mat_12:37
Joh_7:23-24!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/5/12


The Seg thank you for saying I sound like a person who can truely love. I hope I am. I just didn't want to be on any list which may sound judgemental or against you in any way because I'm surely not. Its not so much the list is bad I just don't want to sound unfair to anyone. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/5/12




"And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: BUT I WILL HARDEN HIS HEART, that he shall not let the people go." Exodus 4:21

"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will." Proverbs 21:1

"Carelessly evil"? Has the creature that's made of dust suddenly become the judge of the Creator? To question what He can or cannot do? "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
---christan on 3/5/12


When people refuse to humble themself and accept God then God hardens their heart, this is a natural process for all flesh. It is not that God says, "This one I will harden, this one I will soften, this one I will condemn, this one I will save." No, God forbid! For then God would be carelessly evil, and condemning souls without the soul having free choice to serve or freely obey God. The hardening and the separating and condemning of a soul comes about by the soul's poor choice to reject God. The same sun melts butter, and hardens clay: will we melt in front of Jesus, or will we harden ourselves against him. When Lot was turned to solid salt, yes God hardened her, but it was her free choice to turn back and become hardened.
---Eloy on 3/5/12


Darlene_1, you sound like a person that can truly love.
Ok! You said, The Seg,please don't include me in the your "don't believe it" about me list.
Why do you think its a bad list to be on? Let me put it another way.

When we read john_13, we come to a part where Christ said:
What I do thou knowest not now, but thou shalt know hereafter.
Now when Christ said: and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
This was now, all explained!

Christ then says: One of you shall betray me. Wow!
John_13:22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
This is why there is only one list and everyone is on it me2!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/4/12


The Seg,please don't include me in the your "don't believe it" about me list. I gave Bible verses to you which when they differ from what you said doesn't mean I am deadheaded set on pounding something into you. Whatever you believe is between you and God,it is not for me to judge you because of it. I never intend to say anything judgemental. I just touch on the way it's written in the whole chapter to get the bigger picture of all that is going on. Just because our view and opinions differ,and I may mention my opinion but it doesn't mean we can't care about others in our God family and show respect as you have me. Thank you for "God Bless" and the observation I already am,yes so true and I know you are too. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/3/12


Aka, absolutely right!
Why I you think that is, do you know?
Why do you think Christ said the father must draw you?
Why does God keep men in darkness, harden their hearts, cover their ears or blinds them?

Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
I tell you, Nay!
Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Lord, let it alone this year
I shall dig about it, and dung it:
And if it bear fruit, well
if not, then cut it down.
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/3/12


Darlene_1, I am in no way disagreeing with all, and I mean all you have written.
And if you can believe me, I see and clearly understand all you and the other are saying.
You guys believe this is just my opinion, my interpretation of things.

Like when Nana said, The seq can't tell the broad from the narrow way?
What did I say? I meant it! He like you and other think, I don't believe it!
Well, if I don't believe it, than I don't believe God!
Because clearly he said, and few there be that find it!

I always end with, Peace and not God bless you.
That because I know he already has!
Long before, you were born.
Before time, itself!
Bye
---TheSeg on 3/3/12


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"Calvin agreed that we do have free will in the sense that we have the ability to choose..."

lee, the correct term is "will" and not "free-will" as you said. That is you correctly quoted that the will of man is skewed toward his very nature which is "fallen" and as Paul declared, "dead in sins and trespasses". When the sinner suddenly turns toward God in repentance and faith in His Son, "it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth".

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
---christan on 3/3/12


Darlene_1, A-men sister. The apple does not fall far from the tree. God's children shine as our Father does shine: and them without God are unshining as the worldly are unshining.
---Eloy on 3/3/12


The Seg,HI,Romans 3 it's talking about all under the Law,none righteous,none good,however verse 3:21,22 "But" now a righteousness from God apart from the Law,has been made known,to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Not all mankind but believers on Jesus. As Christians we repent,baptized in water which represents the death,burial,and resurrection of Christ,therefore we are buried with Christ. The old flehly man is gone and we arise new creatures in Christ. There is no good in the flesh until we are born again of the Spirit,then we have God,Christ,and the Holy Spirit in our hearts to quicken the flesh by the Spirit and guide the new us in righteousness.
---Darlene_1 on 3/3/12


The Seg,Hi,I just want to share a thought. Maybe a lack of training for Christians in the Church on how we are to fight the good fight of faith and resist the Devil so he will flee from us is lacking. Although churches touch on the Bible verses which tell us this,they are not really given much emphasis on how to use the Word of God to fight Satan and temptation. Timothy was told in 1 Timothy 18,19 he is to fight the good fight,holding on to faith and a good conscience. 2 Corinthians 10:4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary they have devine power to demolish strongholds. Through Christ we became no longer just natural children,but the Supernatural Spiritual children of God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/3/12


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//I believe or know there is nothing good in man.// TheSeg

Agreed. Rom_7:18...et al.

//I believe all men are saved...it's not just those that believe...Joh_6:44!// TheSeg

John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life...

John 6:64 ...But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)

Acts 16:30 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Acts 16:31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Some beliefs are scriptural, some are personal based on a bit of scripture.
---aka on 3/3/12


//When Christian denies free will then he is following in the Paths of Calvin whether he says it or not."

Calvin agreed that we do have free will in the sense that we have the ability to choose what we want BUT that ability to choose is not only mildly influenced but is radically conditioned by the human corruption of our hearts, out of which flow the choices we make.

In other words, we make evil choices not from indifference, but from a prior inclination to wickedness. Prior to regeneration, 'every intent of the heart was only evil continually' Genesis 6:5.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, kathy!
---lee1538 on 3/3/12


Lee1538 I never said I'm perfect,what was meant within what I said is I'm educated,experienced,and on guard. Added to that is God's supernatural discernment of spirits,with which he is good enough to equip me. Read further in 1 John,1 John 3:6,8,9 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. He who does what is sinful is of the Devil. No one who is born of God will continue to sin. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/3/12


I'm 73 years old,came to the Lord at 11,thats 62 years to learn and be sure.

Yes, practice does make perfect. The more you work at it, the better you become. However, if you were to ask the Lord about this, He would still be able to show you that you are still not perfect in everything.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---lee1538 on 3/3/12


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Samuel, you said,
"When Christian denies free will then he is following in the Paths of Calvin whether he says it or not."

If we put down Scripture, give you the Word of God, and what Jesus said, you tell us we are following Calvin. Doesn't that tell you that Calvin followed the God of the Bible and none of you follow Christ teachings? First read (Rom. 1:16,17) then ask yourself who are the one's that believe by faith? Not once is free will mentioned.
Now read,
"But as many as received Him, them He gave the right to become children of God, "to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13).
---Mark_V. on 3/3/12


Lets clarify something, whose Spirit is it were talking about right now.
And I want us including you Nana, to be absolutely clear about this.

Does this Spirit belong to you, is this your Spirit?
Or is it the Spirit of God given to you? Lets be clear!

If this Spirit belongs to you, it is your Spirit.
If it belongs to God, then it is the Spirit of God dwell in you.
If so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you!
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

But if ye through the Spirit (of God, you) do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Now are we doing this?
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/3/12


Now Darlene_1 you told me:
I'm 73 years old,came to the Lord at 11,thats 62 years to learn and be sure.
God bless you Darlene, but Joh_6:44!

You spoke about 1 Corinthians 13
It talks about how love:
1Co_13:4-7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Because I believe or know there is nothing good in man.
Does not mean men are not saved. Just the opposite, it is because of this I believe all men are saved.
There is no difference in any of us. Rom 3:23-26
But it's not just those that believe! Why?
Because of Joh_6:44!

To me, it's like what God really Christ told Adam
Who told thee that thou wast naked? Heb_4:13!
God bless you
---TheSeg on 3/3/12


How is it you use the same epistles and you're not a Calvinist?
---christan on 3/1/12

how is it that you keep on asking 'why' or 'how is it' when according to calvinism it is clear? it makes me wonder if calvinists really believe in their own doctrine if they keep asking 'why'.

but, to answer your question, throughout the scriptures, i read about God's will AND predestination (covenant). i do not read about "free will" OR calvinism. and, i do not insert myself into scripture where i do not belong.
---aka on 3/3/12


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Darlene_1,

Wonderful repply and reference to Romans 8:9-14!

The Spirit leads but the man must keep the deeds and desires of his body in subjection.

Man must learn what good is and then enact it:
Hebrews 13:16 "But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased."
James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

Hebrews 12:12 "Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way, but let it rather be healed.
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"
---Nana on 3/2/12


Seg,hi I'll try to answer. No I don't doubt,I do recognize Satans lies which are contrary to my commitment to God. I'm 73 years old,came to the Lord at 11,thats 62 years to learn and be sure. Please go back and read Romans 8:9-14 you will see what Paul was saying was he can't do good but God's Spirit can cause him to do good. Sorry to disappoint,but I can do good,with God's Holy Ghost leading me,living by the Word of God,and the Law of love,being reminded what love is in 1 Corinthians 13,then it becomes easier and easier to die to self and live to God. I don't have to try to do good I live for doing good,I choose to do that because I've loved God all my life. The Bible tells us do unto others as you would have them do unto you. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/2/12


Mark thanks!
But just because Nana doesn't agree with what is written, as it is written!
Starting at Rom 3:10!

Or Christ
Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Nana it's love each other, as I have loved you!

Or Isaiah a real prophet
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

We must remember this 1Th_5:15!

Nana, I don't agree with everything Mark and christan say.
But if I look for real truth, guest where I find it? Consistently!
God bless
---TheSeg on 3/2/12


Paul says, "But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered." (Romans 6:17) In slavery to sin, my will was not free, or else why haven't all free-willed people made the same choice . . . if they all are created "equal", therefore with the same character to make the same good or bad choice? The thanks is to God, how He made me free so I made the right choice with Him > "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13) No worship and credit to my own created will!!! (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/2/12


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When Christian denies free will then he is following in the Paths of Calvin whether he says it or not.

I am not preparing myself by free will. I am emptying myself. JESUS is preparing me and all who choose to follow Him. He does the work in us. But we can choose to be lost. We must die to self daily by our free will. GOD does not force.

If He did then all would be saved. For GOD is not willing that any should perish.
---Samuel on 3/2/12


Nana, your attacks on The Seg are uncall for. He answered Darline with respect. He did not answer you and you in turn say to him,

"The seq can't tell the broad from the narrow way?
Nothing good, nothing holy in you?"
.

Do you think that fruit you just produced puts you over the hump and makes you holy and puts you on the narrow path, just because you do not agree with what he said?
yes, we should "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
"Ye shall know them by their fruits." Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
---Mark_V. on 3/2/12


James L, what you are saying is that you belong to the group that doesn't abuse Scripture but all those who give you explicit statements from God's Word, belong to the group that abuse Scripture. Didn't you stop to think that maybe your interpretations on implied passages are wrong?
The implied passages you support and give only imply something, they don't give fact. But when you are given explicit statements they are not true to you. Christan never mentioned he was a Calvinist and neither have I, I don't even have one book of his, yet you and others label us when you want to attack what we say concerning the Lord and His actions towards man. I have give you facts from Jesus own words, and you and others group us as abusing Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 3/2/12


"Because there's a difference between "use" and "abuse". It's pretty clear who is which. JamesL

Glad you know the difference and that's your opinion. What's more important is Judgement Day.

"And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom PREPARED FOR YOU FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."


Whereas, you are still preparing yourself by your "free-will".
---christan on 3/2/12


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Well, you have nothing to worry about fulfilling Matthew 7:6.
---Nana on 3/1/12

Believe it or not youre absolutely right!
---TheSeg on 3/2/12


\\How is it you use the same epistles and you're not a Calvinist?\\
---christan on 3/1/12


Because there's a difference between "use" and "abuse"

Those who use, do so in order to grasp truth better. Not ashamed to admit that they can still learn. Not afraid to question the established order of interpretation


Those who abuse, do so by approaching it with doctrine already in hand, and have a fear that if anything they believe is found to be false, their entire faith will shrivel like a blade of grass in the scorching sun.


It's pretty clear who is which
---James_L on 3/2/12


Matthew 7:13_16 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

The seq can't tell the broad from the narrow way?
Nothing good, nothing holy in you?
Well, you have nothing to worry about fulfilling Matthew 7:6.
---Nana on 3/1/12


I dont want you to think I misspoke.
When Paul said:
He couldn't find, How to perform that which is good.
I want you to believe he did!
When he successfully realized he completed or brought to its end!
I know how unclear this may all sound.
But believe, everything that comes from God is good.
And doesnt everything come from God?

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

You know God calls things that arent, as thought they were!
God bless you!
---TheSeg on 3/1/12


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Darlene_1
Hi, God bless
I just want you to run something by us one more time.
"We need to know if our thoughts are contrary to our commitment to God."
I agree we need to know be-on a shadow of a doubt. So you don't doubt yourself.

I don't know how you feel about this. I only know how I feel.
I don't think I have to say anything else.

In Rom_7:18.
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Paul couldn't find, How to perform that which is good.
And no matter how hard you try, you won't
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/1/12


The Seg, we do. Christians do choose to do good, all the time, because it is our desire and it is Christ whom lives within us which moves us to do his will, all the time. Only the NonChristian does not do Christ's will, all the time, and they delight in misjudging Christians because their ways are evil, all the time, but the Christian does Christ's will because our ways are good, all the time.
---Eloy on 3/1/12


Seg I just want to share my opinion why people sin,of course other than what the Bible says,we are led astray when tempted by our own lusts. I frankly don't think that many Christians know how much power we have through Jesus Name. That they also have not been taught and don't relize how to rebuke Satan,or that we have been given by God power over all the power of the enemy. A vital thing we need to know is Satan attacks through thoughts and we need to know if our thoughts are contrary to our commitment to God we must know how to rebuke them in Jesus Name and not allow anything which is contrary to who we are in God and as a person. In a nutshell,we are in a war against Satan,fight the strong fight of faith. Avoid even the appearence of evil.
---Darlene_1 on 3/1/12


I hear so many of you say Yes I have freewill.
So why dont you choose to do good all the time?
Is it the devil is so strong or that Christ said there is none good?
So you freewheelers, how do you know you are the ones choosing?
How do you know God has not hardened your hearts?
Im sure Pharaoh Freewill told him, theyre not going anywhere, Exo_4:21, Exo_14:17!

Joh_12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

2Th_2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Not you right, you choose!
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/29/12


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"can you address the discussion of Esau?" aka

What's there for me to address or discuss this issue about Esau or Pharaoh or the vessels of dishonor fitted for destruction as written by Paul in Romans 9?

You call me a Calvinist when it was Paul who first wrote about the vessels of honor and dishonor, election, grace, reprobates - way long before John Calvin even came into existence. And just because I believe 100% what Paul wrote in his epistles, I'm branded a Calvinist?

How is it you use the same epistles and you're not a Calvinist?
---christan on 3/1/12


Darline, everyone has a choice, no one forces us to make a choice. That's why we are found guilty or innocent. If our will was free when we made a choice, God would never find fault in anyone. He judges us by our motives and desires. We choose what we desire. No one chooses what he doesn't desire.
Adam and Eve had a will that was free from sin before their fall. Once Adam sinned, all descendants of Adam are under the curse. Because of that curse they are all born with a fallen sinful nature. "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." and
"But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life"
---Mark_V. on 3/1/12


//why do you conveniently leave out the first part of 2 Corinthians 11:4 which is vital to that chapter? To deceive?//

it was actually an editing choice. i had a long response that i had to reduce.

my question is why would a calvinist ask why? isn't my deception according to you according to God's pleasure. isn't everything good or bad according to God's pleasure?

can you address the discussion of Esau?
---aka on 2/29/12


You just don't seem to understand what free will means to God. Yes God created us,yes he has a right to do as he chooses but he also created humans for fellowship with him. He wants mankind to love Him above all,to choose a walk with him above all,to make Him King of our lives above all. There is far more exaltation of God by choosing Him above all things and thats why he allows us free will,free will nullifies nothing of God's glory or praise or His Word,to the contrary we worship Him because we love Him for who He is and that he choose humankind for fellowship with Him. That he draws us by our hearts to Him. Glory to God !!!
---Darlene_1 on 2/29/12


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We have a free will with in Gods will. I believe in predestination, perseverance of the Saints and election, and at the same time, I live out a practical existence that consist of a day to day struggle to cling to God, choosing not to sin, choosing to love even when I am angry, choosing to let go of hurt, choosing to pray every day, read and acknowledge Him in all my ways. Many times I fall, sin, and become so confused about many things. He is on His thrown, seeing me to glory, but in that mystery of sanctification and glorification I have millions of choices to make. Thankfully with His Spirit, I bare fruit and desperately long for Him.
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---Poppa_Bear on 2/29/12


Darlene_1, A-men. Likewise I am blessed by your postings. Most people know that they have free will to do whatsoever they choose, saying, "I will do good, or I will do bad, for it is all in the power of my hand." And according to our free will actions and our free will words, people are either helped, or else people are hurt. And therefore God rightly created a heaven and a hell: one place is for the righteous, and the other is for the sinuous.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


There is very much truth in this. God gives us the free will to make decisions for ourselves. Genisus 3 is a good example when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. It is not in God's nature to let evil happen to us so therefore it had to be the free will of Adam and Eve. The same goes with His free gift of salvation, we choose it not him. God does not need us to feel glorified, rather he wants us to be a part of his perfect kingdom.
---Joe_Brown on 2/29/12


Eloy thank you,I liked the Bible verses you gave and all your input. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/29/12


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"God allows us to make choices, he wants us to choose Him over Satan."

Allows? Choices? Really? Then these verses in the Holy Bible are erroneous, lies and should be struck off, "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

"The kings heart is in the hand of the LORD, Like the rivers of water, He turns it wherever He wishes." Proverbs 21:1, "A mans heart plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps." Proverbs 16:9

Don't make God out to be a desperado. He created us, He has the right to do as He please with our lives.
---christan on 2/29/12


Always wedging in your "free-will" in between Scriptures won't help your cause. ---christan on 2/29/12

"free will" is yours, and so is Calvinism. they are not in the bible. God's will and predestination is.
---aka on 2/29/12


Darlene_1, A-men sister. Free will and freedom of choice is a reality. Just as we freely choose to come to this website, so too do we freely choose to worship Christ and do his will.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


God allows us to make choices,he wants us to choose Him over Satan. Gods Spiritual History shows he has always given his creations free will. Lucifer was free through his own will to rebel,then Adam and Eve had free choice and rebelled against God. Next,God's choosen people Israel who rebelled against God. Finally God sent his Son to save lost Israel and once again they rejected his gift of life. God Spiritually ingrafted the Gentiles and gave them the chance to accept Christ and Him through the Word and faith and they did. No where in God's History did he not give all free will. What was predestined was that all of those had the chance to accept Him,and Christ,sacrifice for sin, was destined before the foundation of the world 1Peter 1:19,20.
---Darlene_1 on 2/29/12


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aka, why do you conveniently leave out the first part of 2 Corinthians 11:4 which is vital to that chapter? To deceive? This is what it says,

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

The context of chapter 11 is not about "free-will" but about "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."

Always wedging in your "free-will" in between Scriptures won't help your cause.
---christan on 2/29/12


MarkV, It is 100% free will to say YES to Jesus and accept him onto personal salvation, and it is also 100% free will to say NO to Jesus and reject him onto personal condemnation. Do you think calling out to Jesus is Jesus' doing? or is it actually your mouth and your pleading and your heart crying out? It is 100% your own free will to choose Christ. If a soul has no choosing, then God would be unjust in condemning souls to hell: but it is each individual that must make the choice for salvation, else rightly remain condemned. A person whom repents and asks the Lord Jesus for salvation, and God answers, how can we not give glory and thanksgiving to our Savior, for if we would remain silent then the very stones would cry out to glorify him.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


christan: "And the woman said to the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees in the garden we may eat: But of the fruit of the tree, that in the middle of the garden, said God, see that you eat not, and see that you touch it not, else you die. And the woman saw, that it a good tree to eat of and a desire to the eyes and a desirous tree for to make one wise, and took of the fruit of it and ate, then brought to her husband also nearby her, and he ate. Be you all holy, for I Yhwh your God holy. I have set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both you and your seed may live. Choose you this day whom you will serve." Gn.3:2,3,6+ Lv.11:44,45+ 19:2+ Lv.20:7,26+ I Pt.1:16+ Dt.30:19+ Jos.24:15.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


did the Scripture tell us that it is up to one to choose or reject this precious gift?
---christan on 2/28/12

Yes:

Mark 8:34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me" Nothing here that says 'Only' the elect will pickup his cross!

Jhn 6:57 "He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: " Nothing here 'Only' the elect get to eat my flesh!

Jhn 6:67 "After this many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." Now here it looks like 'Only' the elect walk away:)
many more verse about choosing!
---Ruben on 2/29/12


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//did the Scripture tell us that it is up to one to choose or reject this precious gift?//

yes, 2Co_11:4 ...if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted...

Gen 25:32 Esau said, "I am about to die, of what use is a birthright to me?"
Gen 25:33 ...So he swore to him and sold his birthright to Jacob.
Gen 25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew ...

somebody did not want his gift, so he chose to sell it to satisfy his flesh.

there really is no such thing as "free will" or calvinism. there is only God's will and predestination.
---aka on 2/28/12


I am still waiting to see from the Holy Bible "since the beginning God gave the gift: Choose". So as not to make yourself sound silly, it's pointless to keep on harping on something that's not in the Bible, let alone declaring God "gave the gift: Choose".

The only gift that God gave to man as declared in the Holy Bible, is the "gift of faith in Jesus Christ". Even then, you have to be elected before the foundations of the world to "receive" this "gift".

See the difference? And I'm sure you know where these verses can be found in the Holy Bible. Plucking a verse from the Scripture and assuming that God says what you think He said is silly.
---christan on 2/29/12


Eloy, let me say I loved your answer on "I thank Jesus today" in it you gave all the glory to Christ. Not one time did you mention your 'free will.' Everything you said was about God and what He did for you.
Here you answer with,
"For following Jesus without following him from free will is not free will at all, but rather a mechanized and mindless and robotic control."
The question then becomes, "Why did you give all the glory to God in your other answer and here you take the credit for coming to Christ?
Yes, it is not free will at all. You are not robotic controlled, but God controlled.
"A man's heart deviseth his way: But the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9).
---Mark_V. on 2/29/12


free-will is not silly. For God offers his gift of everlasting life to the world because he does not desire anyone to perish in hell. He did not give his gift to one soul nor two nor three, but to whomsoever will receive him. The gift has been given, and yes millions of people reject the gift, they spit on the gift, and they beat the gift, and reject the gift onto their own damnation. This free-will is not silly, but is awesome and powerful and life-changing. For following Jesus without following him from free will is not free will at all, but rather a mechanized and mindless and robotic control.
---Eloy on 2/28/12


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"So some receive him and some did not!" Ruben

If there are those who received, there must also be a giver, right? So, who is the giver that these may receive? Unless you think that you can receive without being given the gift. And if those who did not receive then the giver did not give them His gift, right?

So in this act of giving and receiving salvation, did the Scripture tell us that it is up to one to choose or reject this precious gift? See how silly "free-will" theology seems to be when you know there's a Giver?
---christan on 2/28/12


Yes, since the beginning God gave the gift, "Choose".
---Eloy on 2/28/12


The Old Testament is our teacher,showing us God's ways and his will for humankind. This is its example about choice. Joshua 24:15 And if it feels evil for you to serve the Lord,choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,whether the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But for me and my house,we will serve the Lord. Although that was Old Testament its evident God wants us to make a choice,Satan or Him. God gave his son to make a way for us to be saved because He wanted to make the way easier to choose Him over sin,just believe,repent,accept,obey. God wants our love not our surrender.
---Darlene_1 on 2/28/12


Ruben, how much clearer can it be written and yet you do not believe? You said:

"Not really, prior to that he said " He came unto his own, and his own received him not." So some receive him and some did not!"

Of course, His own, are the 'Jewish nation' who did not receive Him. The ones that received Him were the ones who had been born of God (v.13). Very simple unless your eyes are close to the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/12


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"But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

John declares "received Him", clearly a gift from God. He never said "you have to choose to accept Him". He smashes "free-will" to a pulp when he teaches those who "received Him were "born by the will of God", ie "born of the Spirit". These two verses alone clearly demolishes the lie and deception of "free-will".
---christan on 2/28/12

Not really, prior to that he said " He came unto his own, and his own received him not." So some receive him and some did not!
---Ruben on 2/28/12


John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The individual is responding because the Father is drawing Him. So yes, there is truth to that.
---anon on 2/28/12


"But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

John declares "received Him", clearly a gift from God. He never said "you have to choose to accept Him". He smashes "free-will" to a pulp when he teaches those who "received Him were "born by the will of God", ie "born of the Spirit". These two verses alone clearly demolishes the lie and deception of "free-will".
---christan on 2/28/12


some will say 'yes' ... some will say 'no'.

some scripture says yes and some says no.

the Word has the final word.
---aka on 2/27/12

"Some" does equal "Scripture."

But does "Scripture" equal the "Word".

If scripture does equal the word, then logically you are saying that some word says yes, and some word says no.

Please explain.
---atheist on 2/28/12


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James L, great answer you gave. Every reason you gave is very true. The reason I posted the Question was that it was missing the rest of the verse that she did not put down. Another false statement to support 'free will."

"But as many as received Him, (Past tense "ed") to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"

Those who believed, were those who were born of God. If they had not been born of God, they would have never believed and given the right to become children of God.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/12


Yes and no. God does not force someone to love him and follow him. The OT says repeatedly if my people will return to me. That is a choice to repent and turn to God. I absolutely believe that God has to impart grace to us, Jesus said "I choose you" but we also have to accept it and abide in it and live in authority of it to be a new creation.
---Scott1 on 2/28/12


\\an individual chooses to respond in faith...Is there truth in that?\\

There isn't one ounce of truth in that. On the flip side, there also ins't any truth in the notion of a man with a captive will choosing to believe either.

There isn't any evidence in scripture, or anywhere else, that says a human being has the capacity to choose to believe something.

We must be converted.


\\welcoming Jesus into his life\\

Where does this nonsense come from ???

We don't "welcome" Him into our life, HE Welcomes Us Into HIS Life.
---James_L on 2/27/12


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