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I could go mad, in a nice way, of course, trying to figure out this difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/12

there are two different constitutions. the second version was released in 1871.
---aka on 3/9/12


Trish: The liberals you vote for not only discriminate against a baby's right to live, but their discrimination is evident in the education system too.

An example from a local school here where a classroom of 6 year old children were forbidden any Christmas celebrations in their class so as not to offend ONE Muslim girl. Another distorted view of "rights" by the Left.

And it takes a brave person to publicly speak out against the politically correct view that marriage should also include man with man,etc. The mainstream media and other Leftists will soon shut you up.

For the liberals you endorse, "rights" really means politically correct discrimination.
---Haz27 on 3/9/12


Nurseroberts, of course I expected a response like yours, do you think I thought you would say great point, thank you brother? Of course not. I'm not going to splite hairs on which laws and what, you should know if you are born of God. If you don't know by now, then you have chosen not to know, and not care. When a person is convinced in their mind what they want, no matter what anyone says, nothing can change them. No one is telling you not to vote liberal. Like you said, it is your right. But as a child of God, my right is that, I am always going to vote against you. I have a responsibility to God.
---Mark_V. on 3/9/12


Trish, I love you and what I say I say it with love. No matter what you do in life, like voting, God will judge us by our motives and desires. Were they for our benefit or for the benefit of God? In the end God already knows who's going to win and who's not, because they will be there by permission of God, not because they are good, but because they fulfill the will of God in some way or another. What really matters is what we do and why. Many vote for what benefits them and not the kingdom of God. No one has to tell another child of God, we should all know what we should stand for. That's as far as I will go with this topic with you. I want to leave you peace.
---Mark_V. on 3/9/12


Trish: You do know what causes pregnancy, don't you? If a pregnancy is unwanted, why not eliminate the cause? Or do you advocate the rampant immorality that causes most "unwanted" pregnancies. Since the pregnant woman made the decision that caused the pregnancy (in most cases), why should it be other people's responsibility rather than hers?


---jerry6593 on 3/9/12




Jed said: "Its certainly not anyone's right to take an innocent life."
True.
BUT, not according to the liberal/Left who deny the rights of innocent babies to live.

Interesting that the liberal/Left voters here don't speak out against abortion. It seems it's more important for them to uphold their side of politics rather than admit and confront it's many evils.
---Haz27 on 3/9/12


There are laws being put in place that will force people to go against their consciences. ---fred on 3/8/12


What laws are these, Fred?
---NurseRobert on 3/9/12


Jed: I am not in the mood to deal with your narrow mind. I agree to disagree with you, and leave it at that.
---Trish on 3/9/12


I don't know what the big problem is anyway. Any female can walk into the country health center and get them with their parents knowing.
---shira4368 on 3/9/12


Jed:

Even Jesus and Paul knew that abstience would not work for everyone, yet you are suggesting that "if you can't afford children, you should be celibate" - which is placing an even heavier yoke on such couples than Jesus and Paul would do.

Paul said "it's better to marry than to burn", suggesting marriage as an acceptable outlet for those who are unable to restrain their sexual urges. But you are turning Paul's advice on its head by saying they should be married AND celibate - getting the worst of both worlds.

Jesus came to break the yokes of the oppressed, not place new ones on them.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/12




I must admit I am not up on all who are Conservative or Liberals either. What concerns me very much are those who,I suspose are so conservative,they want to start changing our Amendments to the Constitution so they can eliminate the Amendment which gives Americans the right to bear Arms and own guns. When anyone,whatever their stand L or C ,begins killing parts of the Constitution off and restructuring it to suit their desires we are in danger of becoming a dictatorship. That Constitution is our weapon for freedom of Americans. With the removal,bit by bit, of any part of it is a death sentence to the rights of all Americans and the beginning of the end for America as we know it.
---Darlene_1 on 3/9/12


Trish,TThere is not a single conservative candidate that wants to deny women access to contraception. The debate is weather it should be provided to you for free by your employer, not whether women should be able to buy it on their own. Secondly, the only real way to prevent unwanted pregnancies is abstinence, wich is the last thing liberals are going to encourage. And republicans aren't keeping anything from children, it's their dead-beat parents that refuse to get a job that are denying thier kids their needs. Noone gives more of their own money to help the needy more than conservatives. We just realize that social programs do not really help those who really need it, it just enables those who could do better for themselves.
---Jed on 3/9/12


Haz27, I totally agree. Liberals say a woman's right to not be inconvenienced by the consequences of her own actions is more important than the right to life. That's completely backwards. The right to life is the most basic of all human rights, while a life of convenience and no consequences is not even a right at all. Its certainly not anyone's right to take an innocent life.
---Jed on 3/8/12


Haz: I vote for Liberals because the Conservatives you vote for make laws that prevent the babies from getting food, housing, social services and a good education.
---Trish on 3/8/12


Haz2: Almost forgot. Your Conservatives want to prevent women from preventing those pregnancies in the first place, not to mention the other health concerns that birth control prevents.
---Trish on 3/8/12


Trish: You said "the liberals I vote for..."

But the liberals you vote for discriminate against peoples rights.
Example: The liberals/Left are noted for making abortion easier. But unborn babies are people with a right to live. Why do you support the liberals who clearly discriminate against a baby's right to live?
---Haz27 on 3/8/12


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As I said in my first post, the differences between Conservatives and Liberals has to do with INTERPRETATION of the Constitution.

I was not trying to stir up a discussion of gun laws. I was trying to show how the differences between Conservatives and Liberals have to do with INTERPRETATION.

Oh, and Jed, I was not trying to tell anyone what the 2nd Amendment means. I was trying to explain how the differences are INTERPRETATED. Of course, you have to act like the Gestapo and jump all over me, as usual.
---Trish on 3/8/12


My colleague who is a liberal, says that everyone should have vaccinations, and it should be the law. No religious, medical or any other excuses. It has been decided. Even though experts say vaccinations cause diseases. Cars and vaccinations kill most people, not guns.
---fred on 3/8/12


There are laws being put in place that will force people to go against their consciences. Anyone who cannot see it is a poor blind sheep and needs to be prayed for.
---fred on 3/8/12


Here in Australia the liberal/Lefties are in government and they also dominate the mainstream media and education system.

The Lefties deceitfully proclaim they stand for the rights of victims and also for tolerance.
But the truth is the Lefties damage peoples lives with their distorted brand of intolerance and discrimination.

Having had some involvement in politics some years back and I got to see the extent of deciet at play. And by far the Left were the MOST deceitful, underhanded, corrupt political side out there.

I have no doubts the Left in the USA is just as bad.
---Haz27 on 3/8/12


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We all belong to the militia, meaning that we wish to defend freedom. Anyone who does not defend it, deserves what happens to their country, communism, fascism, concentration camps.
---fred on 3/8/12


NurseRoberts, I am not part of any militia. I am part of the "people" who have the right to keep and bear arms. Notice the comma between the two. Nowhere else in the Constitution does a right attributed to the people refer to anything other than an individual right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the Constitution that mention the people, the term unambiguously refers to all members of the political community, not an unspecified subset.
---Jed on 3/8/12


Jed: I did read the 2nd Amendment and again, I say that it has to do with INTERPRETATION.
---Trish on 3/8/12


Trish, actually read the 2nd ammendment before making a statement like that.
---Jed on 3/7/12

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Tell us, Jed.. what "well regualated militia" do you belong to?
---NurseRobert on 3/8/12


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When the law has rights over the rights of Christians it is our responsibility to speak out and vote against the law. ---Mark_V. on 3/8/12

Give examples of such laws
---francis on 3/8/12


MarkV: Which of your rights is being denied by the liberals? The liberal lawmakers I vote for don't want to take away any of the rights of the Christians I know.

The liberals I vote for are in favor of protecting the rights of all citizens, including Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Atheists, etc. While many of the conservatives I know of are in favor of violating the rights of those who do not believe in Christ. The Constitution of the United States of America is there to protect all citizens, including those who do not believe in our Bible.
---Trish on 3/8/12


Trish, do you have a law degree? Then how dare you try to tell us what the 2nd ammendment means and then tell me I have to have a law degree to enterpret the constitution. It doesn't take a law degree to be able to read plain English. And it actually is in plain English. It's not like trying to translate a bible from ancient Greek and Hebrew. All you have to do is read it. From what you said about the 2nd ammendment, it's obvious you have not even bothered to read it but rather just repeated other liberal's opinions. Like I said, please actually read the 2nd ammendment for yourself before replying about it again.
---Jed on 3/8/12


\\the Constitution for the united states of America

OR

the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
---aka on 3/8/12\\

I could go mad, in a nice way, of course, trying to figure out this difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/12


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Lets get it right, liberals as we know them in this country are for the rights of the people with complete disregard to the will of God. ---Mark_V. on 3/8/12

What utter balderdash...

You have a self decided, right wing directed view of liberalism. As a liberal, I believe that we have an obligation to help our fellow man, to show dignity for everyone, to care about the welfare of the people....

Psalm 12:5, Psalm 14:6, Proverbs 14:31, Proverbs 19:17, Proverbs 28:27, Jeremiah 5:28, Ezekiel 18:7, Matthew 25:35, Galatians 2:10, and a couple of personal favorite, 1 John 3:17-18 and Proverbs 31:9 as well as multiple others..
---NurseRobert on 3/8/12


Lets get it right, liberals as we know them in this country are for the rights of the people with complete disregard to the will of God. It's fine for all those who are not Christian. But not fine for those who follow God's will for the believer.
While many laws are good for the side of the world, they are not good for the side of Christ. We are not of the world but of God. When the law has rights over the rights of Christians it is our responsibility to speak out and vote against the law. If you support the world then you might as well belong to the world. It's pretty simple to me, why split hairs? There is no hairs to split when it come to God's will.
---Mark_V. on 3/8/12


//INTERPRETATION of the Constitution.//

are we talking about

the Constitution for the united states of America

OR

the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
---aka on 3/8/12


Jed: I suppose you also have a law degree in your list of credentials.

I said it is in the INTERPRETATION of the Constitution. Some liberals interpret the 2nd Amendment the way I do.

That is why we have the Three Branches of Government, to ensure that the laws of the land are aligned with the Constitution.
---Trish on 3/7/12


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Trish, actually read the 2nd ammendment before making a statement like that. The second does not only talk about melitia bearing arms. It guarantees the right of the people to bear arms.
---Jed on 3/7/12


Nurserobert,

Apparently you missed the whole section of the Constitution that starts out with the following:

"For the following crimes they will be stoned with stones until they are stone dead:".
---atheist on 3/7/12


As a liberal, I am opposed to everyone, having the right to own guns....Trish on 3/7/12

Trish, as a liberal, I believe that people should have the right to own guns, but that the goverment has the right and the responsiblity to regulate them, including qualifications to ownership, and type of weapon.
---NurseRobert on 3/7/12


Jed:

Could you list some of the Biblical principles that the constitution was based on?

If it WAS, the U.S. would be a theocracy, and the government WOULD regulate religious belief. But there is no mention of that in the original Constitution (and it's specifically forbidden in the First Amendment).
---StrongAxe on 3/7/12


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Instead of thinking as liberals or conservatives having different beliefs about adherence to the Constitution, I believe it is more that their beliefs on the interpretation of the Constitution differs.

One example would be the 2nd Amendment. It talks about the right of the militia to bear arms. The militia are the people who take on the responsibility of protecting our society, such as police and military personnel. As a liberal, I am opposed to everyone, other than the military and law enforcement, having the right to own guns. Most of the conservatives I know believe anyone over the age of 18, who does not already have a felony on their record, should be able to purchase any type of gun they wish, including automatic weapons.
---Trish on 3/7/12


Since the constitution was based on biblical principles,...--Jed on 3/6/12

No, it wasn't.
---NurseRobert on 3/7/12


\\The term "liberal" was given to democrats because they desire a liberal or loose adherance to the constitution,\\

Which is curious, because John F. Kennedy, today's liberal emblem, held the liberals of his day in scorn.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/12


The term "liberal" has nothing to do with how liberal you are with your giving. The term "liberal" was given to democrats because they desire a liberal or loose adherance to the constitution, whereas republicans desire a conservative, strict adherance to the constitution. Hence, the terms "conservative" and "liberal". Therefor, a biblical conservative would be one who desires literal interpretation and adherance to scripture and a biblical liberal desires a loose adherance to scripture. Since the constitution was based on biblical principles, there's little difference between a biblical and political liberal.
---Jed on 3/6/12


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jerry6593:

Biblical conservativism was epitomized by the Pharisees - people very particular about obedience to Law, who tried to force such particularity about law on others. They also made sure such behavior was highly visible, but often did not live up to the very standards they demanded of others.

Today, it's the right wing conservatives who are the "morality police", enforcing their views about interpersonal relationships, "family values", drug use, etc. on others, while sometimes breaking those very rules themselves. And don't forget that the divorce rate in the U.S. is around 50%, and is NO DIFFERENT among Catholics and Evangelicals, both of whom teach that divorce is not permissible.
---StrongAxe on 3/6/12


A biblical liberal is one who gives to those less fortunate without anyone else knowing about it.

A political liberal is one who assuages his guilt for not helping others by demanding that others do the helping by force of law. They also demand the right to lives of decadence with impugnity.


---jerry6593 on 3/6/12


And maybe he is wrong and it just got lost some how. many times I have though I had sent something when I hadn't. I go back and check and find out it is not in my history. I could have deleted it by touching one key. So many reasons why something is not posted. But I believe the mod have little to do with what we post. The site is so big, the mod's don't have time to check eveyone to see if they are liberal or not. They let athiest write, and some others with evil words to another and they still post them.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/12


Yes, Haz27, see it did get posted. But take the same word and use it in a conservative and biblical context then it gets deleted. Not just once, every time. Coincidence?
---Jed on 3/6/12


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Jed said "I was a bit more politically correct and used the more accepted term "same-sex". Surely the censorship of words is not that extreme. If this post makes it then it is obviously due to a liberal bias rather than word censorship."
---Jed on 3/5/12

It got posted. Maybe your right.
---Haz27 on 3/5/12


Mark, Its not a "conspiracy" but there is a bias on this site.
---NurseRobert on 3/5/12


StrongAxe, I have made posts about a type of certain marriage and lifestyle you are reffering to, however I did not even use the three-letter word to avoid getting censored. I was a bit more politically correct and used the more accepted term "same-sex". Surely the censorship of words is not that extreme. If this post makes it then it is obvioulsy due to a liberal bias rather than word censorship.
---Jed on 3/5/12


Haz72:

One word that I think is on the "gets automatically deleted" list is a three-letter synonym for "happy" that is more commonly used in a different context. I think I have attempted to use it in a couple of posts, both of which did not appear.
---StrongAxe on 3/5/12


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I have had some answers not posted. I don't believe one time, it has to do with liberalism, or anything like that. Sometimes it's because one person takes the whole Blog to himself. Other times because two answers in a row are not permitted so that other can have a chance to answer. And other times it has to be because of words not allowed to be posted. "There is no conspiracy." You guys are too much.
I don't know, are have seen a Mod. seating in front of a computer, or even know how much control they have, so before you guys judge think about it first. Unless some of you know the inside of CN, then you do have a case.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12


Haz, Jed, Strongaxe, et al.. Dont feel like the lone ranger. A lot of my posts have never made it to the boards. I strongly feel there is a bias on this site. In one debate, dealing with economics, the mod would refuse to post my responses WHILE responding to them on the blog, all the time insisting I was wrong when my posts showed I was not. This occurs regardless of what type of language or tone of speech is used.

This is one of the reasons I have cut back on posting. This site, time and time again, has shown itself not to be one of open discussion.

This said, I have always believed this site belongs to the owners and the 1st Amendment doesn't count here. They can post or delete as they choose.
---NurseRobert on 3/4/12


Thanks StrongAxe. It sure makes it difficult though to discuss some topics with such a overly restrictive word censorship on CN.
Most of us here never thought that normal innocuous words would also be on the "bad" word list.
---Haz27 on 3/4/12


its another ideology as opposed to atheism which is just plain stupid.
---larry on 3/4/12


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Haz27:

I have noticed that when my posts include certain innocuous words that have multiple meanings, some of which may be popular among liberals and unpopular among conservatives, those posts are automagically [sic] deleted by the system, regardless of the context.

For example, if "adultery" happened to be such a word, any post saying "adultery is good" would be deleted - but so would any post saying "adultery is bad". This makes it impossible to discuss such subjects in any context without tip-toeing around one's words.

I can't mention what such words are, because doing so would automatically delete the post they were mentioned in.
---StrongAxe on 3/4/12


Jed: Another possibility for the censorship on posts challenging the beliefs of the liberals/Left is that CN itself may be obliged to abide by an internet code of politically correct speech censorship.

I had heard of well known search engine web sites abiding by a politcally correct code of censorship against internet users who want to speak out against politically correctness.

But it would be better to hear from the Mods themselves what their actually up to.
---Haz27 on 3/4/12


Haz27 and StrongAxe, my comments that went unpublished by the mods contained no profanity or hate and did not violate any of the posting rules. I was actually as "politically correct" with my language as I could possibly be, as to avoid being censored. Still, they never posted. It was not just once either. There are two moral issues that never get posted every time I have brought them up. It's sad when you can't promote morality on a "Christian" site.
---Jed on 3/3/12


Jed and StrongAxe: Another post failed to post. The words I used were not "bad" words. They were normal words/labels for issues the liberal/Left push for.

Either some Mods are liberals or CNs software for excluding "bad" words is so strict it even excludes normal words/labels for issues that the liberal/Left supports.

I guess it's possible the Mods could be conservative but go too far in that they exclude even normal words/labels for issues that the liberal/Left stand for. It makes it hard to discuss the negatives of the liberal/Left with such restrictions.
So perhaps these issues that the liberal/Left stand for are seen as so bad that the normal words/labels for them are in the "bad" word list.
---Haz27 on 3/3/12


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Haz27:

From the comments I have seen from the moderators, I would guess that they come from the extremely conservative end of the spectrum. If a comment wasn't posted, it may well have been because the posting software automatically rejected it because of some pro-forma rule violation (such as using one of several forbidden "bad" words, posting a web site URL, posting multiple messages close together, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 3/2/12


Each person is different. So, I'm not really into putting people into categories. Liberal can mean a person who makes up ideas that aren't in the Bible, even though there are a number of Bible things that clearly speak against that idea. That would be a wrong sort of liberal. But there are plenty of right things in the Bible, that I have never heard from a number of people who call themselves conservatives. So, either way can be limited.

If liberal means freely loving in Jesus, and conservative means keeping God's way, both are good (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/2/12


Haz27, I have noticed as well that comments I have posted wich contain conservative views on moral issues go unpublished by the mods. I have questioned them about this before, asking them to respond in an email if they did not want to do so in public, with no response. I think we all know what moral issues we're reffering to, so it makes you wander if there really is a liberal agenda among the mods.
---Jed on 3/2/12


\\Makes you think there are "liberals" amongst the Mod's who don't want inconvenient truths about the 'liberals' mentioned.\\

As I said, everyone is a liberal in some things and a conservative in others.

I was taught in high school, today's liberal is tomorrow's conservative. If you don't believe me, look at the big difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution--both documents worked on by most of the same people.

Bible-believing conservatives at the time of the American Revolution were royalists. And giving women the right to vote was a LIBERAL idea promoted by both Williams Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/2/12


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It difficult to say what a "liberal" is here on CN.

Twice I have posted issues that "liberals" are well known for believing in and both times it was not posted. Makes you think there are "liberals" amongst the Mod's who don't want inconvenient truths about the 'liberals' mentioned.
---Haz27 on 3/1/12


Strngax, A-men. We Christians are called...what does scripture say? "A peculiar people, a royal priesthood." Why are we labeled as such, it is because God dwells in us, and whom can understand the mind of God, save the Spirit of God. It is the "love thing", the "forgiveness thing", these things are alien to this world: to "love and pray for our enemies", because we know that those whom hurt and destroy us are without God in their life.
---Eloy on 3/1/12


Eloy:

I was referring more to Jesus and his disciples 2000 years ago. Here was a man preaching peace and love, and not stressing slavish adherence to the Jewish laws that the Pharisees lived by. He would have been percieved as a dangerous anti-establishment anti-conservative liberal. The image of Jesus and his disiples as appealing to hippies, as in "Jesus Christ, Superstar" comes to mind. While inaccurate in its representation of Jesus, it gives us insight into the thought processes of his critics.
---StrongAxe on 3/1/12


Strongax, "liberal hippies", that's funny. I never thought of Christians that way. The main thing that we are known for is "love" and "compassion", and if stodgy conservatives want to call us "liberal hippies" because we love others, well then so be it.
---Eloy on 3/1/12


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Eloy:

The identification of liberals with Democrats, and conservatives with Republicans, is fairly recent. Decades ago, the southern states (that are traditionally conservative) were mostly Democratic, while Lincoln (the first Republican president) was very much pro-civil rights, even though today, civil rights issues are usually favored by Democrats and opposed by Republicans.

2000 years ago, by today's standards, Jesus and his disciples would be considered liberal hippies, while the Pharisees would be hard-core conservatives.
---StrongAxe on 2/29/12


a liberal is the opposite of a conservative. Traditionally, a liberal is a democrat, and a conservative is a Republican. But it depends on the context in which the word liberal is used, as to whether it carries a positive or a negative connotation. For example, "He is liberal with his handshakes", meaning he is free to greet every body. Or else, "He is liberal in insults", meaning he insults excessively.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


Cluny, you should really look into how Social Security works before making a statement like "you get out of social security what you put into it". That is definatley not the case. Fact is that the majority of people who are receiving Social Security today have never paid into it or even worked a job at all. There are even a large number of children who receive Social Security Disability. Most working people under the age of 55 will prabably never see a dime of the money they've paid into Social Security their whole life.
---Jed on 2/29/12


---StrongAxe on 2/29/12
AGREED
---francis on 2/29/12


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francis:

The same applies to conservatives. There are those conservatives who want everyone to choose to be responsible for his own actions. Then there are other conservatives who want to shove thier beliefs down everyone else's throats by the force of law.
---StrongAxe on 2/29/12


Francis, I think you may have made a mistake. You put the definition of Conservative for Social Liberal. I believe this must have been an honest mistake. ,)
---Jed on 2/29/12
I did and i corected it. thanks



If you went to a public school, you have received the advantage of what you call "liberalism".
As far as veterans' assistance, do they not deserve it?

---Cluny on 2/29/12

I defined them without passing judgment
---francis on 2/29/12


Francis, I think you may have made a mistake. You put the definition of Conservative for Social Liberal. I believe this must have been an honest mistake. ,)
---Jed on 2/29/12


\\POLITICAL LIBERALS are those who think that the government should spend money on social programs such as SS, WIC, Low income houseing, education, veterans assistance programs, medicaid, and medicare\\

francis, people get out of Social Security what they pay into it.

If you went to a public school, you have received the advantage of what you call "liberalism".

As far as veterans' assistance, do they not deserve it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/29/12


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SOCIAL LIBERALS
A liberal is one who believes in the individaul right to choose. He or she may be extremely conservitive in their lifestyle, but the hallmark of all LIBERALS in that while they wish others to aspire to the same lifestyle as they, they do not wish to force it on others by legislation. They wish their lifestyle to be the choice of others, they are not offended when others do not choose to live as they do.

POLITICAL LIBERALS are those who think that the government should spend money on social programs such as SS, WIC, Low income houseing, education, veterans assistance programs, medicaid, and medicare
---francis on 2/29/12


Odd,

I have never seen its meaning constrained when used in this blogs. What does the word mean to you?
---atheist on 2/28/12


Is there much different between political and religious liberalism?
---Jed on 2/28/12


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