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I read on the newcast that some have undergone baptism more than once. Is this really necessary?

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//Totally agree that we have communal worship on the Lord's Day - Sunday by our tradition.
=lee1538

Francis reponds - Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
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However you ignore the fact the Apostles and their immediate successors established the tradition of communal worship on the Lord's day. They did not annul any of the 10 commandments in doing so. However, they did not teach Sabbath observance because it like circumcision remains a tenet ONLY of the Old Covenant.

2 Thes. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
---lee1538 on 4/10/12


Totally agree that we have communal worship on the Lord's Day - Sunday by our tradition.
---lee1538 on 4/10/12
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.



My point is that an attitude toward any rules and regulations is the issue, realizing one is accepted by God through Christ.
---Rod4Him on 4/10/12
Jeremiah 7:9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?
---francis on 4/10/12


If we really have anything at all that is worthy, it has to come from the Lord.

1Co 1:31 Therefore, as it is written, Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.
---lee1538 on 4/9/12

and Paul did not use sarcasm when talking of circumcised/uncircumcised.

if you think some of the stuff that you write is of the Lord...well, you fit right in with the other Calvinists here.
---aka on 4/10/12


Rod4Him//By the way, the rule of Sunday "worship" is a traditional rule not based on the canon.
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Totally agree that we have communal worship on the Lord's Day - Sunday by our tradition.

However there has been those who would make sunday the Sabbath. We see that in the Westminister Confession of Faith and other documents.

Yes, there will be those who claim since they followed all the rules, went to church on the Sabbath, did not violate the Levitical food laws, lived a good moral life by trying to obey the 10 commandments, etc. believe that they merited heaven. But they ignore the fact that Jesus is our savior, that salvation is wholly of God, that our righteousness is in Him.
---lee1538 on 4/10/12


//I predict there will be many that have advocated obedience to law...//

Perhaps...and there may be also those who say, they went to church every Sunday, gave 10 percent, memorized scripture, taught Sunday School, read my Bible everyday, had my devotions, went to prayer meeting, patted the Pastor on the back,saw the Pastor as Moses, didn't smoke, didn't drink, and the legalistic rules could go on.

My point is that an attitude toward any rules and regulations is the issue, realizing one is accepted by God through Christ.

By the way, the rule of Sunday "worship" is a traditional rule not based on the canon.
---Rod4Him on 4/10/12




besides being a Calvinist, what is your problem?

through irony and a little humor francis was expressing some measure of humility.
---aka on 4/9/12

Much like his bible reading, he did not understand the context.

He saw the words but the meaning as always excaped him.
---francis on 4/9/12


aka//through irony and a little humor francis was expressing some measure of humility.
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If we really have anything at all that is worthy, it has to come from the Lord.

1Co 1:31 Therefore, as it is written, Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.

I predict there will be many that have advocated obedience to law that will stand before the Judgment and boast how they have obeyed the commandments and thus God is obligated to give them entrance into the eternal life. And Adventists like the law promoting and Sabbath keeping Pharisees will probably be among them.

And what will the Lord tell them? "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels". Mt. 25:41.
---lee1538 on 4/9/12


leej,

besides being a Calvinist, what is your problem?

through irony and a little humor francis was expressing some measure of humility.
---aka on 4/9/12


//I have been there
Bought a house there
Ran for Mayor and won
---francis on 3/17/12
Big frog in a little pond? brag, brag. brag.
---lee1538 on 4/7/12


we have all been there. more often than we think.
---aka on 3/17/12

I have been there
Bought a house there
Ran for Mayor and won
---francis on 3/17/12




---christan on 3/13/12

we have all been there. more often than we think.
---aka on 3/17/12


---christan on 3/13/12
accepted
---francis on 3/13/12


My sincere apologies to francis for thinking it was he who wrote the blog instead of michael_e.

Thank you for bringing it to my notice, aka.
---christan on 3/13/12


An easy read.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, ONE baptism,(not three)
1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit(not man) are we all baptized into one body,(not water) whether we be Jews or Gentiles
---michael_e on 3/13/12


christan, that last quote was a quote from micheal_e and not francis. take the time to read and consider in total before you respond. you may learn something.

michael_e is correct. we are to hear the Truth and believe. yet, we go round-and-round picking certain things that was once practiced and leaving others behind. (it is otherwise known as Judaizing.)

the bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ, a progression of righteousness that is beyond us. it is not a vicious circle created by us based on 'do this' and 'ignore that'. if we remain in our present by always reaching for the past which we superimposed on ourselves, we never go forward.
---aka on 3/13/12


"While all the Bible is FOR us it's not all written TO us. There are things in the Bible that don't pertain to us today. Water baptism is just one of them." francis

And where in the Scriptures does it says what you say that water baptism does not pertain to a Christian?

"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him." Matthew 3:13

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:19,20

You are dead wrong!
---christan on 3/12/12


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Francis, A-men.
---Eloy on 3/12/12


While all the Bible is FOR us it's not all written TO us. There are things in the Bible that don't pertain to us today. Water baptism is just one of them.

As you study your Bible, rightly-divided, keep in mind that within the Pauline Epistles ALONE you find the doctrine, duty and destiny of the Church. The BoC. Don't be fooled by the teaching of religion, and denominationalism.
---michael_e on 3/12/12
GARBAGE
---francis on 3/12/12


//While all the Bible is FOR us it's not all written TO us. There are things in the Bible that don't pertain to us today.

Boy ain't that the truth!

Exodus 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

(20:8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

While clearly the Sabbath was for the Jewish nation, baptism was practiced both by the Jews as well as the church.

Baptism is only a rite of the church that was supposed to signify ones inner conviction publicly.

And some become baptized as adults when they were baptized as infants are really making a public profession of faith.
---lee1538 on 3/12/12


God says baptism saves because it is a part of salvation. And anyone whom breaks this commandment, and teaches others so, God will call that one the least in the kingdom and will take away their share from his Blessing the Life, and out of the city which holy.
---Eloy on 3/12/12


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The reason for confusion about baptism is failure to follow Gods directions for bible study.

2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

When we rightly divide the word of truth we give Israel what is Israels and we give the BoC what belongs to the BoC.

While all the Bible is FOR us it's not all written TO us. There are things in the Bible that don't pertain to us today. Water baptism is just one of them.

As you study your Bible, rightly-divided, keep in mind that within the Pauline Epistles ALONE you find the doctrine, duty and destiny of the Church. The BoC. Don't be fooled by the teaching of religion, and denominationalism.
---michael_e on 3/12/12


If the conscience of one who was baptized as a baby becomes Saved/ Born again as an adult, then that person chooses to be baptized out of OBEDIENCE identifying with Jesus Christ death and resurrection.

It's one thing to be sprinkled in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit, and quite another to be baptized into Christ's Death and resurrection life.

Baptism doesn't save anyone, however our testimony before men is that we openly testify we have received Jesus death and resurrection life, and are raised up together with Him a New Creature.

I believe this is why Calvin murderd Anna-Baptists, who re-baptized ADULTS in belivers Baptism. Calvin was baptized as a infant and continued the RCC belief of infant baptism .
---kathr4453 on 3/12/12


In our daily Christian walk, we press on to do all that we are able to do in order to please our Lord. So how many times a person gets batized is a matter of conscience. It is common for a person to get rebaptized as an adult, because of feeling that if they were baptized as an infant they had no personal affirmation from themself, regarding their infant baptism. I myself was baptized three times, as an infant, and twice as an adult: once in the trinity, and once in the name of Jesus.
---Eloy on 3/12/12


Lee, the answer is simple, "We are saved by Grace through faith" not by any works of ours. It is all of God. Water cannot clean a heart. But people will come out with all sorts of ideas even when they know what Scripture says. Knowing what it says and believing what it says are two different things. You can get baptized a hundred times and the water will never save you, even when a priest preaches over the water. The only salvation that comes concerning the water is when the pastor or preacher sinks you in the water at baptism and brings you out. If he doesn't bring you out, you will drown for sure.
---Mark_V. on 3/12/12


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---StrongAxe on 3/11/12
OK
---francis on 3/11/12


francis:

This is just the thing. How can you be sure about "required"?

All we have in the Bible is several anecdotes, NOT a baptismal formula (or a marriage formula either). From successful anecdotes, one can deduce what actions may be successful, and from unsuccessful anecdotes (like the "strange fire" one), one can deduce what actions may be unsuccessful. The converses are NOT true - from a successful act, you cannot deduce what would make an act unsuccessful.

One curious things about Biblical anecdoetes is that when one compares them, in many cases, each one is different, indicating that there was no "one single right way" to do many things.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/12


Based on the number of different groups who have different interpretations of this question, the answer is not at all cut-and-dry.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/12
OK
But can we agree that in the bible, a large enough amount of water for two people to enter into was required for baptism?

Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:
John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
---francis on 3/11/12


francis:

Based on the number of different groups who have different interpretations of this question, the answer is not at all cut-and-dry.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/12


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---StrongAxe on 3/10/12

Luckily for us, words have meaning
what does the word baptize mean?
---francis on 3/10/12


//where is that supported in scripture? aka on 3/9/12//
you're correct, it's not supported by scripture. Most hear the word baptize and assume "water".
Some preach three baptisms, some two, some one for the current Church Age.

Some sprinkle, some pour. Some immerse Some baptize in the name of the Father, Son and HS, others in the name of Jesus only. Some baptize infants, others adults only. Some say you're not saved unless water baptized, others say baptism is an outward sign.

None of these agree with one another but all disagree with those who refuse water baptism today.

I believe in baptism for today, just not water baptism. I see water baptism, not for the BoC but for the nation of Israel in time past.
---michael_e on 3/10/12


Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Atcs 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
---Nana on 3/10/12


francis:

You totally missed my point. "He baptized him" says WHAT happened. Three words do NOT contain enough detail to say HOW, nor to give a prescription of how it should be done in the future for all time.
---StrongAxe on 3/10/12


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---StrongAxe on 3/9/12
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water

If sprinkling was baptized then jesus need not get into the water

John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there:

If sprinkling was baptizing why would they need much water?

Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

If sprinkling was OK why woould BOTH have to be in the water?
---francis on 3/10/12


francis:

Romans 6:4 and 2:12 say WHAT happens, not HOW. They give no specific details. How much water is needed? How long must one be immersed? Who is authorized to do the immersion? How much of one needs to be immersed? There are no details given whatsoever.

Jesus's comment about the leaven of the Pharisees (which talks about how a little leaven spreads through the whole batch) is nowhere near detailed enough to be considered a usable recipe for baking bread.

Mark 1:10 talked about how John bapized Jesus. That was not described as a general formula for Christian baptism. We also know that formula was not, in itself, adequate, because the apostles told those who were baptized by John to be re-baptized in the name of Jesus.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/12


Please show chapter and verse describing the precise steps that Christians are commanded to use to baptize.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/12
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen

no one rises from sprinkling
you go down in the water your are buried under the water and you rise out of the water a new man

Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

no one comes up out of sprinkling

and most important, the word baptized is defined by imergence
---francis on 3/9/12


If we recognize the progressive revelation given by Christ to Paul there would be less confusion.
We would understand the purpose of all baptisms in scripture and still know Christ is right when he taught Paul:
One Lord, one faith, one baptism, ---michael_e on 3/8/12

well said. i can't tell you how many people I meet that speak baptism of the Spirit (not Pentecostalism) and defend water baptism by saying, "but, just in case..."

or it is "an outward sign to show an inward changes blah, blah, blah...".

where is that supported in scripture? the outward appearance of an inward death is fruit of the Spirit. the only way a seed can grow is if the self dies and not only washed.
---aka on 3/9/12


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There is no baptism that saves anyone. We are saved by grace through faith in the works of Christ. Water only cleanses you on the outside. Water symbolizes death and resurrection. But God cleans you on the inside. When a believer is spiritually baptized into the body of Christ it is because he has already been born of God, and alive to Christ.
"Even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved) and raised us together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:5,6).
---Mark_V. on 3/9/12


francis:

Please show chapter and verse describing the precise steps that Christians are commanded to use to baptize.

Also, please show chapter and verse describing the precise steps that Christians are commanded to use to marry.

If you cannot do this, then your disagreement is just an unsupported personal opinion.

"buried is buried" is not in any way a formula, just as "dust to dust" is not in any way a formula for how to conduct a funeral.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/12


On the other hand, the Bible does not lay out specific ritual formulas for baptism, marriage, etc. so there is no formulate to violate.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/
AGREE TO DISAGREE ON BOTH COUNTS

buried is buried that is the formulae
---francis on 3/8/12


It is a serious sin to say that baptism is nothing and unnecessary. Jesus was baptized, and he commands us likewise to be baptized, therefore it is extrememly important, for if it has zero virtue, then God is a liar and why bother obeying the Lord. Baptism is NOT man's work, none of man at all, but it is 100% God's work, we can impart zero of ourself into the power of baptism, for all that man can do is to obey, for it is all God's supernatural work and none of man's. Ezekiel 36:25-27. lit.Gk: "Now baptism saves us, not a putting off of rank skin, but a good conscience up-praying up to God through resurrection of Jesus Christ." I Pt.3:21.
---Eloy on 3/8/12


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Mat 3:11 we have 3 baptisms:

This doesn't include the Lords baptism which wasn't repentance since he didn't need to repent. His baptism was performed to fulfill all righteousness.

Have you been baptized with water? Have you been baptized with the Holy Ghost? Have you been baptized with fire? (Mat 3:12, Isa 4:4).
What Jesus revealed to Paul superseded prior teaching of baptism.
Or was Paul was wrong, is there more than one baptism?
If we recognize the progressive revelation given by Christ to Paul there would be less confusion.
We would understand the purpose of all baptisms in scripture and still know Christ is right when he taught Paul:
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
---michael_e on 3/8/12


baptism in the greek means to submerge or to cover. So water baptism is to be cover with water symbolic of Jesus being covered with death. Then raised into life. What this does spiritually is nothing but an outward sign of the change on the inside. Some people have had many baptism because they have feel it gives them a new birth and a new start on their christian walk.
---Scott1 on 3/8/12


francis:

That is because there was a SPECIFIC FORMULA laid out as to just how sacrifices were to be made to God, and Nadab and Abihu violated that formula.

On the other hand, the Bible does not lay out specific ritual formulas for baptism, marriage, etc. so there is no formulate to violate.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/12


francis:

That is because there was a SPECIFIC FORMULA laid out as to just how sacrifices were to be made to God, and Nadab and Abihu violated that formula.

On the other hand, the Bible does not lay out specific ritual formulas for baptism, marriage, etc. so there is no formulate to violate.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/12


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francis on 3/7/12 have I even mentioned FAITH in any post in this blog?

so is it the form that counts more then the faith attached?
---andy3996 on 3/7/12


Francis, so according to you:
infant baptism isn't vallid because of the "lack of faith" even when it is a full immersion,and with the right formula
---andy3996 on 3/7/12
have I even mentioned FAITH in any post in this blog?

francis, you go a little to far to argue about baptism. ---Mark_V. on 3/7/12

Did i go outseide the bible?
---francis on 3/7/12


Since Paul makes it clear there is only one baptism in Eph 4:5 why is there confusion over baptism?

If Paul says there is one then it must be the one baptism Paul teaches. It's found in 1 Cor. 12:13 and Rom. 6:3.

It's dry, performed by the Spirit baptizing you into Christ. This is the baptism that saves. It isn't water baptism of any kind.

If you see this you have succeeded making the scriptural understanding that the information Jesus gave to Paul supersedes the information found in Matt, Mark, Luke, and John.

If you don't see this you are stuck trying to reconcile the multiple baptisms taught in the Lords earthly ministry with the single baptism in Eph 4:5.

Matt 3:11 stands in direct contrast to Eph 4:5.
---michael_e on 3/7/12


Francis, so according to you:
infant baptism isn't vallid because of the "lack of faith" even when it is a full immersion,and with the right formula

adult baptism isnt vallid unless it is the right formula and the full immersion.
am i right about your ideas?
so are you a symbolist or a formalist?
---andy3996 on 3/7/12


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francis, you go a little to far to argue about baptism. You know you are not literally buried, don't you? The passages where God talks are true. He was literally talking. But what He said has to be understood by the context. In baptism no one literally dies, and is then literally buried under the ground, that would start another false doctrine. "Come on man" The whole thing is symbolic jesture of someone who is already a believer. Spiritually, you are considered dead and alive again when you are born of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/12


---StrongAxe on 3/6/12
I Understood all that you say. But we are talking about God here not man.

Numbers 26:61 And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the LORD.
FIRE IS FIRE?

2 Samuel 6:6 Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it, for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah, and God smote him there for his error, and there he died by the ark of God.

Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

I think God means exactly what he says. If God says bury, then let us by all means bury and not have another symbol for bury.

I am sure we agree on that.
---francis on 3/6/12


francis:

Does a photo of an American flag on TV represent America?

Does a printed Bible, which is a copy of a copy of a copy of ... of manuscripts represent the Word of God?

Does your name here, an electronic copy of your printed name, which is a paper copy of your actual name, represent you?

If any of these things are true, a symbol of a symbol of something, like a symbol of that thing, represents that thing.
---StrongAxe on 3/6/12


The "burial" in baptism is symbolic, because if it were literal, it would be underground. ---StrongAxe on 3/5/12

SPRINKLING THEN WOULD BE A SYMBOL OF A SYMBOL
---francis on 3/6/12


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francis:

The "burial" in baptism is symbolic, because if it were literal, it would be underground. As such, it is the symbolic meaning that is significant, and not the exact specific motions performed. Note that, except for Jesus's baptism, descriptions of baptismal procedures are notably lacking.

The same is true for weddings. What matters is that people are married, not the specific details of HOW they got married. Scripture gives no details of marriage ceremonies (only feasts, that come later). Probably because the exact details aren't important.
---StrongAxe on 3/5/12


---andy3996 on 3/5/12
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism

If you are not "buried" under the later at baptism, youare not baptized

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water
---francis on 3/5/12


If we go back to Jesus on earth, we're in an OT religious Jewish program, not the dispensation of grace or the BoC.
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, said, Christ sent me not to baptize.Paul never intimated that water baptism was a witness that a member of Christs Body had been baptized into the death of Christ, buried and raised with Him. Rom. 6:3,4 if this is water, water baptism made saints out of sinners.

Col. 2:11,12:.. Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead.
Gal.3:27.For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph. 4:5: ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM
---michael_e on 3/5/12


Francis, now in many missionary countries, majority catholics are bapised on an older age (between 12 and +) is their baptism vallid? since they where no more children, and the "formula" in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit was used (be it in latin) your thoughts please.
---andy3996 on 3/5/12


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Lee, many have been water baptized more then once. This baptism is of works. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is only once. When a person is spritually baptized into the Body of Christ, it is for eternity.
When reading about baptism in Scripture people have to know which of the two it is speaking of. Many were water baptized by John the baptist. The Spiritual baptism is not something one sees are has any involvement in it. It is done by God. The indwelling of the Spirit is also, under the New Ministry of the Spirit after Pentecost, a permenant thing for service.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/12


Can you show any biblical justification for being baptized a second time when moving from one denomination to another?
---StrongAxe on 3/4/12
4: When you move from one denomination to another***
---francis on 3/2/12

see my *** and this is the only one I did not put a scripture besides.

It is not always nessessary to be baptized when moving from one denomination to another.

One example would be if you are moving from a denomination which practiced infant sprinkling rather than submersion baptism.
---francis on 3/5/12


francis:

Can you show any biblical justification for being baptized a second time when moving from one denomination to another?

One is baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (or in the name of Jesus, if you are Apostolic). One is not baptized in the name of a church. So regardless of whether you're Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, or Baptist, you're still worshipping the same Christ.
---StrongAxe on 3/4/12


Once we believe that Christ was the blood propitiation for our sins, that He died and resurrected for our justification, we are baptized into the Lord himself.

1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body..."
We aren't baptized into water to remit sins, we are baptized into Christ. This baptism isn't just a cleansing,it's an extermination. Our baptism into Christ crucifies our flesh and places us into his death.
Rom 6:3-4 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
---michael_es on 3/3/12


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It's not necessary but I think it's a nice display of faith in Jesus when you want to re-commit your life to Him. :) I personally think He smiles on it. :)
---Mary on 3/3/12


//let's thank the Lord for the Truth. ---aka on 3/2/12//
amen
---michael_e on 3/3/12


//Thanks for the truth//
---michael_e on 3/1/12

let's thank the Lord for the Truth.
---aka on 3/2/12


I read on the newcast that some have undergone baptism more than once. Is this really necessary?
---lee1538 on 2/29/12

It is biblical

~3 condition can lead to being baptized two times.

1: If you left the church and lived a life of sin Hebrews 6

2: Not being baptized fully IE not in name of Father Son and holy spirit Acts 19:

3: Anytime you find yourself in sin, whether you left the church or not John 13:10

4: When you move from one denomination to another***
---francis on 3/2/12


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Lee, it depends on who you are talking about. If I have been baby-baptized by a group that disobeys God > Jesus says, "without Me you can do nothing," in John 15:5.

Also, we have how we of Jesus "were baptized into His death," in Romans 6:3. So, the "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) is into Jesus Christ's death. And His death was before His burial. So, burial in water is not this "one baptism", I consider.

John the Baptist preached a baptism of "repentence", not of water > when we turn to Jesus, dying to sin, we are joined to Him in His death which is before burial.

And do everything in His name > Colossians 3:16. In His name is in His love > 1 Corinthians 16:14.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/2/12


Everybody is allowed to read scripture (EVERYBODY). Even the people who STUDY scripture are allowed to KNOW/UNDERSTAND scripture. In fact, they are even allowed to be KNOWLEDGEABLE of it.

"not all flesh is alike".

"heart of flesh" and "heart of stone" are also verses in the RSV.

If you really want to be a scholar, you must read AND understand, then at least when you disagree with the words of God, you can at least provide an INTELLIGENT objection to what God wants us to understand.

....(say "NO GOD" that is not satisfactory to me", just like Peter the Denier said "NO" to The Lord)...

Acts 11:8 "But I said, 'No, Lord".
---more_excellent_way on 3/2/12


\\It comes from the heart (a "heart of flesh" instead of a "heart of stone")\\

I thought Jesus said, "The flesh profits nothing," mew.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/2/12


The "water" that causes baptism is "LIVING". It comes from the heart (a "heart of flesh" instead of a "heart of stone") and flows out our eyes (tears of love/sorrow). The woman in Luke 7:44 wiped the feet of Jesus with living water because she had sought and found whom her "SOUL" loves.

Song of Solomon 3:2
"my soul loves".

If you truly do have the spirit that God wants you to have (this is His WILL), then God's Spirit has "baptized"/CONSECRATED you to Himself, but if you choose to BECOME A BOOK instead, then you will be seeking 'RITUAL' "baptism" from MAN with H2O.

1 John 5:8 "There are three witnesses....".
---more_excellent_way on 3/1/12


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//the one baptism that counts is not of water.
---aka on 2/29/12//
//...."one lord, one faith, one baptism".
---more_excellent_way on 2/29/12//

Thanks for the truth
---michael_e on 3/1/12


Christian I didn't say two baptisms,or two at different times for one person,I said "so called" two baptisms,and that is totally based on what Denominations call them,I'm not the one who labeled them that way. Those who believe in the Trinity Doctrine baptize in whats called the Trinty baptism,the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost. The Oneness Doctrine churches baptize in the Oneness baptism,in the name of Jesus. Do a little research on how different churches baptize and you will see what I am talking about. Thanks though I was looking for that "crucify again" verse.
---Darlene_1 on 3/1/12


"in Acts its plainly said the Lord Jesus to me the so called two baptisms are actually the same thing said two different ways" Darlene1

Did I hear you right? Two baptisms? Maybe you should read Hebrews 6:4-6,

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame."


Quoting Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38 and Colossians 2:9 does not justify the title of this blog.
---christan on 3/1/12


Matthew 28:19 Go therefore,and teach all nations,baptizing them in the "name" of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Acts2:38 Peter told them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Colossians2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."Name" is singular therefore,I searched and decided the "name" of the three is Jesus Christ and in Acts its plainly said the Lord Jesus to me the so called two baptisms are actually the same thing said two different ways. Its all Lord Jesus Christ. I heard a pastor baptize in the name of the three,and quickly said in Jesus name. Baptism represents our death,burial and resurrection with Christ. Once is enough.
---Darlene_1 on 2/29/12


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Over the years I have been baptized more than once, because it is a matter of conscience. I was sprinkled as a baby, later dipped in the trinity, and later still baptized in the name of Jesus. The issue is, Jesus commanded to get baptized, therefore if anyone is a follower of Jesus, than they should get baptized as he commanded.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


i have been water baptized about five or six times. one of those times, i had no choice.

the one baptism that counts is not of water.
---aka on 2/29/12


In the past, I have made Ephesians 4:5 no secret, but obviously, it is ignored for the sake of the common teachings.


......"one lord, one faith, one baptism".
---more_excellent_way on 2/29/12


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