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Is Eternal Life For All

Is eternal life a present possession or will it be a future award from God depending upon our obedience?

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Jesus said that only those who hear His voice and follow Him have eternal life.

"Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. as I said to you then, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life," and they shall never parish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:25-28).
---Mark_V. on 3/13/12


Blogger, the question you should ask, is if you are one of the elect.---MarkV

But I already know if I am or not. I have yet to hear you or Christan state how you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are one of those elected for salvation and not damnation. Please help me out here.
---Blogger9680 on 3/13/12


He knows you are going to trap him. Thats why he wont answer. He typically does that when put on the spot.
---LindaH on 3/13/12


Blogger, the question you should ask, is if you are one of the elect. I don't know where you are heading to. I don't even want to know. If you are heading for hell, I would not be happy, so why should I want to know? In the end it will be as God has ordained it to be. I know that I stand on the Sovereignty of God, that He chose me, I didn't chose Him. And, the assurance of my salvation is in the love I have for Christ, and by faith I know the Spirit testifies to my spirit that I'm a child of God. That without that love for Christ, no one can be saved. I know I didn't deserve to be saved, I deserved death, for there was nothing good in me.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/12


God already knows for what you are destined for. But you sure don't.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/12


But you do?

I have a blog open named "How To Know You Are Saved" (poorly named but ok). Please respond there.
---Blogger9680 on 3/13/12




//JW's who's doctrine teaches ONLY 144,000 will be saved.

Yes, the JW's has to change their doctrinal beliefs on this issue. They now say they have a listing of the names of the 144,000 who will be in heaven but since that quota has been met, they now teach that the best any convert can have is paradise on a reconstituted earth.

Of course, only the saved will be resurrected, as all others have ceased to exist.

And do they believe eternal life is a present possession? No, since such acquisition is dependence upon points earned while a member of the Kingdom Hall.
---lee1538 on 3/13/12


"And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand..., and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28,29
---christan on 3/13/12


Jesus gives us a story about a son who was in the hand of the Father:

"Father, give me the portion of goods"(LK 15:12)

And when he repented, the Father said:

"For this my son was dead , and is alive again , he was lost, and is found. "(LK 15:24)

And still you can be in his Hand and have resentment:

"And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him."(LK 15:28)

Try again!
---Ruben on 3/13/12


Worry about your own soul is what you should do--Christan

That sounds so Christ-like of you Christan.

I apologize for caring for others but when Jesus came into my heart He gave me the desire to share that love with every person that I run across so that they too can experience His love. If you think that came from my own evil heart or from the devil then you are a lunatic!

Do you even care about those who are not elected? What if it was your child that wasnt "predestined to salvation" but was "predestined for wrath"? Would you be praising the sovereignty of God then or would you finally see that your doctrine blasphemes his holy name?
---Blogger9680 on 3/13/12


No, that's not the reason and if you're born of His Spirit, why would you even leave your Father? If you think you can leave Him, it's because you were never even born of His Spirit at all---Christan

You are mistaken.

Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in DEPARTING from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end
---Blogger9680 on 3/13/12


Blogger, have you ever wondered why "you" are one of the elect? What good did God see in you to elect you? I would bet you believe you made yourself an elect all by yourself?
Don't worry about what the Calvinist believes, worry about your own salvation. Were you chosen before the foundation of the world? And if you were, how do you know? Maybe you were not elected and you are just one of the reprobates. Go ahead and reject the Word of God, the gospel, for in the end you will find out if you are a vessel of honor, or a vessel of wrath prepared for destruction. God already knows for what you are destined for. But you sure don't.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/12




"Ive often wondered how a Calvinist knows for sure that they are one of the elect." Blogger9680

Why? Are you so sure you are saved? Worry about your own soul is what you should do. As for the elect, God will let them know through His Holy Spirit. As for the 'free-willers' like yourself, concentrate on working for your own salvation, for if you don't, you might loose your it. As for the elect, they have this assurance from Christ,

"And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28,29
---christan on 3/13/12


Yes, the promise from the Lord is when a sinner fears Him, it's the beginning of wisdom and knowledge that He will impart freely unto him of who He and His Son Jesus Christ is. The Truth!
---christan on 3/13/12

Christian that is not what Paul says, he tells believers to work your Salavtion with 'fear' and trembling', why if you are already save??
---Ruben on 3/13/12


Christan,

Judas who Jesus said " Did I not choose you, the Twelve?(JHn 6:70-71), "was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry"( Acts 1"17),"take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside."( Acts 1:24-25). And was performing the same miracles and having power to cast out demons (MT 10:1-4) who Jesus call "Even my close friend whom I trusted "( Psalm 41:9), but here you are a Elect who thinks he has a free ticket to Heaven, better check that ticket it might say " you be put in prison, truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny."( MT 5:22-26) Just saying!
---Ruben on 3/13/12


Blogger9680 //I've often wondered how a Calvinist knows for sure that they are one of the elect.
---
It is really a matter of believing what the scripture teaches.

The view that God in His soverignity has called out among all the people of the earth, those destined for salvation, is really the dominant view of most theologians and that because it has the most defense.
---lee1538 on 3/13/12


Ive often wondered how a Calvinist knows for sure that they are one of the elect.
---Blogger9680 on 3/13/12


"Why would God need you to fear him, unless of course you choose to leave him, right?" Ruben

No, that's not the reason and if you're born of His Spirit, why would you even leave your Father? If you think you can leave Him, it's because you were never even born of His Spirit at all. That's your 'free-will' theology talking - which is foolishness.

King Solomon explicitly declared, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Proverbs 1:7

Yes, the promise from the Lord is when a sinner fears Him, it's the beginning of wisdom and knowledge that He will impart freely unto him of who He and His Son Jesus Christ is. The Truth!
---christan on 3/13/12


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What also is sad, and along this very note are our JW's who's doctrine teaches ONLY 144,000 will be saved. Now I don't know if their doctrine has changed considering there are more than 144,000 followers, or if they are kept guessing if they are one of the 144,000. When God has a limited quota how can anyone have any assurance?

What is so wonderful about the TRUE GOSPEL is there is no LIMITED number, but WHOSOEVER will may come. That the blood of Jesus Christ was shed for ALL MEN for ALL SIN.

You can't LIMIT God. And God's LOVE can't be limited eiither. And God's plan of Salvation is NOT joining some SECRET SOCIETY!
---kathr4453 on 3/13/12


Ruben, if you are born of the Spirit you will never leave Him. For no one can separate us from the love of Christ. Every true believer is born of God. And only those who are born of God will remain with Him forever. For they have the truth and are spiritually baptized into one body in Christ. Those who leave is because they were never born of God.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"
If your will is not surrendered to Christ you will walk away "that they might be made manifest".
As you see them leave you know they were never born of God.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/12


Blogger, you ask?

"If God has predestined someone to salvation and they believe in Jesus Christ"

All who are predestine to salvation, will believe and come to Christ. Predestination teaches that our ultimate destiny is in the hands of God. It is decided by God not only before we get there, but before we are even born. If He didn't predestine us, no one would be saved.
Were all but clay of "the same lump" which agrees with (Eph. 2:3), which tells us, that all are by nature "children of wrath" It teaches that the final destiny of every individual is decided by the will of God, if He didn't save the chosen, the ultimate destination of us all would be the lake of fire.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/12


How come it is that everyone who pushes "predestination" seems to always be the ones "predestined" to be saved?
It could be, as they bypass God's plan and the freewill of man, that they ARE predestened to be lost and they just think they are saved.
---Elder on 3/12/12


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You know what is absolutely hilarious about this whole argument?

The focus is on predestination as though whether or not we believe in it has ANY effect on our salvation.

If God has predestined someone to salvation and they believe in Jesus Christ but dont believe in predestination to salvation, does that mean God is going to change his mind about saving them? NO!

If you say "yes" then you don't even believe what you are preaching!

We are saved by grace thru faith in Jesus Christ, not by grace thru faith in predestination!
---Blogger9680 on 3/12/12


Man's agency is seen in hebrews 3:15 "While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation."
God does not change, Paul says 1 Corinthians 6:8_10, thus encouraging obedience - that which God has always said.
Also, 1Timothy 1:13 "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief."

The knowledge of what ignorance and unbelief are lead Paul to issue the warning in Hebrews 6:4_8 for those in the 'know'. A warning which Christ
also issued in Luke 12:48.
---Nana on 3/12/12


Why would God need you to fear him, unless of course you choose to leave him, right?
---Ruben on 3/12/12


BINGO!
---JackB on 3/12/12


It's because you don't believe in predestination. Whether you like it or not, Judas was predestined to betray Christ.

"Probably why Paul tells us: "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12)

Can you really by your own 'free-will'? For verse 13 says, "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

That is, if you are really worried about your salvation, it's God who's working in you to fear Him. And I assure you, He doesn't work on everybody to fear Him.
---christan on 3/12/12


Why would God need you to fear him, unless of course you choose to leave him, right?
---Ruben on 3/12/12


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kathr, if according to you, "brag all you want about your imaginary election. SHOW us the proof of that election!" Like I've always said, you're a typical "Pontius Pilate".

Jesus said to Pilate, "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?" And like Pilate you ask, "SHOW us the proof of election".

---christan on 3/12/12


christan, funny how you QUESTION others salvation, but believe YOU ARE JESUS when it comes to questioning yours.

Are you delusional? Do you at times have hallucinations? Do you really believe you are Jesus?

Or are you an ordinary man who can be questioned just like you question and doubt others?
---kathr4453 on 3/12/12


Ruben, you want to argue that very wicked people make up the Church of Christ, that is just nonsense. Christ is the Head of the Church period. In His Church there is only genuine believers who make up the body of Christ. That is His spiritual Church. The visible Church is full of wicked tars especially in the RCC.
Christ does not build His Church upon people who are wicked. And if you look through history they were many wicked people leading the RCC. Would God build His Church on the wicked or the saved? Right out blasphemous to even suggest such a thing. I told you that the majority of the RCC have replaced Christ from being the Head of your Church, you are proof of that, they all think like you.
---Mark_V. on 3/12/12


Always running to the same 10-20 verses over and over again. Thankfully we have the ENTIRE word of God to combat heresy.

Completely agree with Ruben.
"was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry," (Acts 1:17)

Christan, since you are fond of using "Ye have not chosen me but I have chosen you" (John 15:16) to back up predestination and mans lack of free will to choose Christ..

Didnt Christ also choose Judas Iscariot? (ref Luke 6:13-16) Yet Judas betrayed Christ proving that even though God chooses us for life, some resist that calling and betray him! Scripture warns us of it! Judas loved money more than "the Lord who bought him"(Matt 13:22)(2 Peter 2:1,21).
---JackB on 3/12/12


Ruben, your constant babbling and erroneous understanding of Scriptures and complete unbelief that God has predestined everything from the beginning till the end is disturbing for someone who thinks he's a christian, even when Scriptures tells us in Isaiah 46:10,11

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it."

These are not my words but the Lord's you reject!
---christan on 3/12/12


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"How can you be a close friend and someone he (Jesus) trusted but be already condemn?" Ruben

It's because you don't believe in predestination. Whether you like it or not, Judas was predestined to betray Christ.

"Probably why Paul tells us: "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12)

Can you really by your own 'free-will'? For verse 13 says, "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

That is, if you are really worried about your salvation, it's God who's working in you to fear Him. And I assure you, He doesn't work on everybody to fear Him.
---christan on 3/12/12


christan* Let his days be few, and let another take his office.",

Can't have a office unless you were a believer! Look what else it says about Judas.

"was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry," (Acts 1:17)

"take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside ."(Acts 1:24-25)

Besides when Judas is mention, it is about his 'Future'betrayal not it is already done deal. It wasn't until Jhn 13 where we read Satan 'entered' Judas then he betray his Master!


---Ruben on 3/12/12


Predestination is very real, if you bother to read the OT.
---christan on 3/12/12


I believe in predestination just not your interpretation of it. God did not predestine some to go to Hell! Now let's look at free-will! Peter was the only one who Jesus gave the 'key' (MT 16:19) but yet we read where Peter denies Jesus three times(MT 26:33-34), and we know from scripture denying Jesus is a huge sin "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."( MT 10:33)But Jesus prays that Peter will have the grace to repent afterwards and be converted (LK 22:31-32) In these scripture verse are the ability to choose and to loose your Salavtion!
---Ruben on 3/12/12


"First of all, now where in scripture does it tell us Judas was born to be a betrayer." Ruben

I'm really baffled by your ignorance of Scriptures. For one who boast you know so much, how is it you cannot see the prophesy written of the coming son of perdition in the Old Testament?

Psalm 109:7,8 "When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. Let his days be few, and let another take his office.", Acts 1:20 "For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take."

Predestination is very real, if you bother to read the OT.
---christan on 3/12/12


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Mark_V.* Ruben, 1)" Jesus is the Head of the spiritual Church made up of true believers.

He left us leaders , the Apostles and their successors with Peter the head of them " I will give you(Peter) the Keys"

Mark_V.* " He said he will built his Church on the Rock of Peter . He was talking about the Rock which is Christ,

Cephas means Rock(Jhn 1:42)
"You are Cephas and on this Cephas"

Mark_V.*In your visible Church its filled with tars, the gates of hell have already prevailed. Murderers, pedophile priest who have molested children for centuries.

So were Moses,David and Judas so forth and so on, but yet Jesus said "the gates of hell will not prevail over it"
---Ruben on 3/12/12


"the scripture might be fulfilled."

---christan on 3/9/12

Lets see which scripture verse Jesus is talking about:

"He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me."(JHn 13:18)

Psalm 41:9: " Even my close friend whom I trusted , who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me."

Question:

How can you be a close friend and someone he(Jesus)trusted but be already condemn?

Probably why Paul tells us :

"work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12):)
---Ruben on 3/12/12


Ruben, you said,
"Mark, that is where your problem lies, Jesus never separates himself from the Church. 1)" Jesus is the Head of the spiritual Church made up of true believers. You also say: " He said he will built his Church on the Rock of Peter and the gates of Hell not prevail over it." He was talking about the Rock which is Christ, in that Spiritual Church the gates of hell cannot prevail over it. In your visible Church its filled with tars, the gates of hell have already prevailed. It's a human church. Murderers, pedophile priest who have molested children for centuries. Who were moved to other places where they molested more children. The gates of hell have prevailed against the RCC.
---Mark_V. on 3/12/12


Eternal life isn't longevity in the sweet by and by. It is knowing God and Jesus Christ, whom He has sent. If it is not a present possession, then all our questions and answers are in vain since we can't even know the Answer until sometime in the future.
---blogger8980 on 3/11/12


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Which means to say when Christ chose Judas, by surprise because "the scripture might be fulfilled."

---christan on 3/9/12

Christian,

First of all, now where in scripture does it tell us Judas was born to be a betrayer.

Second of all if he was born to go to hell form the get-go, then Jhn 3:16 is not the truth !

Third,read carefully what Jesus says about the twelve apostles especially Judas (Jhn 17:12)

"While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them,( Here Jesus protects 'ALL Twelve) and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction,( Here , there was a time Judas was njot lost) that the Scripture might be fulfilled".
---Ruben on 3/11/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, If you love Christ as you say you do, why is it that your church believes comes first?

Mark, that is where your problem lies, Jesus never separates himself from the Church. 1) He said he will built his Church on the Rock of Peter and the gates of Hell not prevail over it.

Mark_V.* I was never asked that question when I was a Catholic.

You never ask 'ANY' question period.:)


Mark_V.* "Is the reason why you don't answer for the Truth of Scripture because you don't believe that the Bible (God's Word) is final Authority?" Is that it?

Where does scripture say it is the final authorithy? While at it, Where does Jesus tell the Apostles to write everything down?
---Ruben on 3/11/12


Bro. Christan, you are correct. The facts are the facts. In Ruben case, I was just trying to get Ruben to think. Many defend their denominations and if they stop to just think why they do it, maybe it's the time God wants to bring light to, by convicting them that what they are doing is wrong. I'm looking for God to be working out there even if it is not with Ruben but others who do the same thing.
When I answer, and give them the Truth, I know most I answer want to kill the messenger as Scripture declares, as Kathr, Jack, Craig, but there are others out there God wants them to know the Truth. For His Truth does not return void.
I'm glad you are answering, we need more to speak the Truth. The Truth is the power of God which bring life.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/12


"Have you ever wondered, "why do you not defend the Truth"? If you love Christ as you say you do..."

MarkV, anyone can claim they love God and Jesus Christ all they want. But the cardinal significance of love for Christ must first come from the giver of life Himself. Scripture clearly declares, We love Him, because He first loved us." 1 John 4:19.

From this verse alone, the Christian have enlightenment that God does not love everyone as propagated by other so-called christians. Because it's not the Truth. God declared, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13

This, the sinful un-regenerated hearts of man hates to hear and will deny.
---christan on 3/10/12


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//Is eternal life a present possession or will it be a future award from God depending upon our obedience?

Scripture does attest to that truth.

1Jo 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

"have" is present tense.

Of course, there are those who would have us believe we must belong to that one true church Jesus established with hq at Rome, or that we must observe the Jewish Sabbath and all the other commandments but they lack any real support from the word of God on their contention.
---lee1538 on 3/10/12


Ruben, you are a good guy, I also know you answer with respect. I also know your a Catholic ready to defend their doctrines.
Have you ever wondered, "why do you not defend the Truth"? If you love Christ as you say you do, why is it that your church believes comes first? I was never asked that question when I was a Catholic. I never spoke to anyone who was not, for the purpose of understanding. I didn't want to, and I was not prepared to answer questions. But you know about the Bible for you read it. "Is the reason why you don't answer for the Truth of Scripture because you don't believe that the Bible (God's Word) is final Authority?" Is that it? If you can answer great, if not, that is ok. I still love you.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/12


Ruben, in Jesus's prayer to His Father, He prayed, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled."

Which means to say when Christ chose Judas, He already knew that he would betray Him that's because Judas was chosen to be the betrayer of the Son. It didn't catch Christ nor the Father by surprise because "the scripture might be fulfilled."

These verses does not support your doctrine of 'free-will' if that's where you want to go. Rather it confirms the doctrine of predestination.
---christan on 3/9/12


Let's read John 6:45 carefully, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

Have you asked yourself who are the "every man" and how have they "heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." By their own "free-will"?

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
---christan on 3/8/12

Christian,

Read it very slowly, v44 comes first and then 45.

Which are the ones the Father draws to Jesus, v44, v45 tell us, thoes who 'listen' and 'Learn'..
---Ruben on 3/9/12


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Eternal security is a promised or Christ would not declare, "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost"
---christan on 3/8/12

Really:

"Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil." 71He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the Twelve, was going to betray him.
"(Jhn 6:70-71)
---Ruben on 3/9/12


"Where do you get all of this from? Are you American by any chance? Part of some cult group?"

Since you address yourself as "perturbed" - I really don't need to give you any explanation. Your name give evidence for what you really are - "perturbed".
---christan on 3/9/12


Christan, thanks for the explanation on "eternal".
All things are subject to God's control. All things are moving in accord with His eternal purpose, "all things are working together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose" For of Him and through Him, and to Him are all things" (Rom. 11:36).
How little people think of God. They think He is only a spectator. A beggar, hoping man will change his own heart and choose Him.
God's on the throne of the universe, the sceptre is in His hands, and He is directing all things after the council of His own will.
God must either rule or be ruled, sway, or be swayed, accomplish His will, or be thwarted by His creatures.
---Mark_V. on 3/9/12


Christan. Where do you get all of this from? Are you American by any chance? Part of some cult group?
---perturbed on 3/9/12


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Badgering? Don't flatter yourselves. You "free-willers" will just pluck one verse and make that into a doctrine about "your free-will" which has nothing to do with John 17. Christ's prayer to His Father in verse 21 does not imply nor support "free-will".

Who are these who will believe? Anyone and everyone? Christ said in 9-10 "but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them." Only the elect will believe.

No doubt Christ was referring to His disciples in His prayer. Eternal security is a promised or Christ would not declare, "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost"
---christan on 3/8/12


Thank you Ruben for your refreshing viewpoint amidst christan's unending badgering and bad mouthing.

Here is more:
John 17:9 "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine."
You like that one christan? So do I.
How about this one: John 17:20 "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,"

I love that one for in it Christ's looks at the future and prays for those believers to come through the word of his ministers.
In times past the promises were for all the house of Israel only till today where it has been extended to all men.
Romans 5:18
---Nana on 3/8/12


All of you surely have the knowledge of God and interpret scriptues in worldly ways - ways you have been taught in school. Even atheists have as much worldly knowledge of God.

God DESIRES to have all men to come to him, but not all will come to him. The end times will have an abundance of knowledge of God througout the world, but few will choose God's way.

God will hand out the eternal rewards, first, at the second coming of Christ when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead and second, at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works. Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 3/8/12


O Ruben, here you go again. Let's read John 6:45 carefully, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

Have you asked yourself who are the "every man" and how have they "heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." By their own "free-will"? Ya, right! That's because the verse before in 44 says,

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

They were drawn by the Father to start with! Go take your "free-will" and play somewhere else.
---christan on 3/8/12


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christan* Does the Father draws "EVERYman" in this world? Most definitely NOT!

Only those who 'Listen' and Learn'! "Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."(JHN 6:45)


christan* To preach that "God wants to save EVERYman" is bearing false witness of the Gospel, especially when the will of God has been revealed.

And to preach that Man refuse to go to him is making God a liar!

"Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

"And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."(Jhn 5:39-40)

---Ruben on 3/8/12


"So, is Eternal Life for All? Yes, any man can be adopted."

If "ALL" and "any man" can have eternal life outside of God's sovereign election, then Christ was a big liar when He declared,

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws Him, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:37,44

Does the Father draws "EVERYman" in this world? Most definitely NOT!

To preach that "God wants to save EVERYman" is bearing false witness of the Gospel, especially when the will of God has been revealed.
---christan on 3/8/12


Only for zombie, until someone smashes their heads with a shovel.
---atheist on 3/8/12


Romans 9:3 "For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,"

Romans 11:24 "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?"

Even they were adopted! Deuteronomy 7:6.
So, is Eternal Life for All? Yes, any man can be adopted.
---Nana on 3/8/12


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Romans 9:3 "For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,"

Romans 11:24 "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?"

Even they were adopted! Deuteronomy 7:6.
So, is Eternal Life for All? Yes, any man can be adopted.
---Nana on 3/8/12


The English dictionary defines eternal: without beginning or end, lasting forever, always existing - basically timeless.

How does, "Let us make man in our image" equate to "we once had eternal life in its fulness"? Do you even know what's the meaning of an "image"? Man created from dust can never be eternal, that's why God had to create time, space and matter for the man to live. But only for a while.

Only God is eternal. The Christian inherits eternal life when he's born of the Holy Spirit - it's God's Spirit that will sustain the Christian for all eternity. Never to die again and that's because his Savior conquered death on his behalf through His resurrection.
---christan on 3/8/12


Aka, I agree with almost all of what you said with the exception of one word Calvinism". The "we" you speak of who are saved, are the Elect. The predestined from the foundation of the world by God's will. You said, by Predestination and God's will. That is very true, not by free will. Calvin has nothing to do with our salvation whatsoever.
---Mark_V. on 3/8/12


"eternal life" is often thought of as a future time. it also consists of the past and present. we once had eternal life in its fulness(Gen 1:26). then, after man's fall, it was guarded (Gen 3:24). God gave man a temporary cover with the skins of animals (Gen 3:21 )which requires bloodshed.

however, true cover requires a permanent blood covenant between God and man to restore man to God's eternal presence. God provides it and makes it available. man has nothing to do with that. but, we, by covenant, accept the true Gospel (2Co 11:4).

Predestination AND God's will...not calvinism OR free will.
---aka on 3/8/12


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"should we say of lee1538's blog that is "overflowing with hypocrisy" also?"

Nana, don't change the subject. lee's question in this blog is completely different from what you are declaring. You say that certain verses only refer to those in Scripture and nothing to do with us outside of it.

If Scriptures were not for the admonishment of the Christians as written by Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16, we are all wasting our time reading and believing the Scriptures when it only pertains to only those in the Scriptures and nothing to do with the present and future believers.

You are quoting Scriptures and going out of whack with it's context.
---christan on 3/8/12


Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem", so yeah, Jesus was saying Jerusalem.
You probably think The International House of Pancakes (IHOP) was included in "the house of Israel" also, right?
Do you walk in his statutes and keep his judgements, do them? Well, is you or is you not?

"Deuteronomy 4:13 And HE DECLARED UNTO YOU (the nation of Israel) his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU (Israel)to perform, even ten commandments, and HE WROTE THEM upon two tables of stone."
lee1538 on 3/7/12

christan, should we say of lee1538's blog that is "overflowing with hypocrisy" also?
---Nana on 3/7/12


Its clear that you dont want to see the truth so maybe its time I take the Lords advice from Titus 3:10 and leave you be.

Scripture tells you plainly that we dont even receive the Holy Spirit until AFTER we trust in Jesus Christ. THE DISCIPLES didnt even have the Spirit when they were following Jesus!!! He breathed the Spirit into them after his resurrection and ascension! Go back and study.

If you two insist on believing that you were saved before you came to faith in Christ I feel a great swell of pity for you. Maybe you'll go straight to the Father on judgment day and bypass the Son altogether because you were saved before you even knew who Jesus was. (Romans 10:14,15) Good luck with that.
---JackB on 3/7/12


"Who Jesus address there? The people of Jerusalem?"

If Jesus was addressing to only the people of Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37, that verse has no relevance to Christians reading the Holy Bible? You by the same yardstick is also killing and stoning the Word.

Paul wrote to the Romans, Corinthians, Galatians etc. Wasn't he also addressing specifically to them? The Christians has no right to learn from his teachings just like they have no right to learn from Jesus or Ezekiel according to your understanding.

Your barrel that's holding your water is leaking and overflowing with hypocrisy. Why even bother to quote Scriptures if they only pertain to the people the prophets were communicating with, according to you?
---christan on 3/7/12


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JackB, you've failed miserably to understand Ephesians 1:1-12. You simply jump into 13 to justify your "free-will". Which if you read carefully 1-12, that's not what it means.

"in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise is in line with Justification by Faith. The "promise" is referring to ONLY the elects that will be "sealed in Christ". It has nothing to do with your "free-will" and you were sealed.

That's definitely not salvation by grace. It is salvation by works, which is "filthy rags" before God Almighty. In Ephesians 2, Paul declares the sinner DEAD, how does the DEAD choose? Good try but not good enough.
---christan on 3/7/12


"Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings"

At any event, when was the water sprinkled that cleaned all their filthines, when was a new heart given and when did God put his spirit within them that caused them to walk in his statutes and to keep his judgements, and do them?

Ezekiel 36:28 "And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God."

Mexico is not the land spoken of there.

Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,..."

Who Jesus address there? The people of Jerusalem?
---Nana on 3/7/12


"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:26

Who's the "I" that's doing this "spiritual surgery" of removing the "stony heart"? You and your "free-will"? MOST DEFINITELY NOT! // Christan


Nope thats the Spirit of Christ doing it. You know when I received that Spirit and regeneration began? After I believed in Jesus Christ and placed my faith in him, (Eph 1:13) just as scripture states.
---JackB on 3/7/12


It's one thing to take Scripture and quote and another to interpret it erroneously. Ezekiel 36:26 is the process of regeneration, born of the Spirit as declared by Christ in John 3. In fact, Ezekiel 36:25-38 confirms John 3 that the work of regeneration is solely the work of God through His Holy Spirit 100%.

For one to turn around and use Ezekiel 36:16-19 to say that Ezekiel 36:26 only pertains to those in verses 16-19 is nothing short of exposing the darkness your heart is in.

The verses about regeneration in Ezekiel 36:25-38 is also mentioned in Isaiah 4:4, 52:15, Jeremiah 31:33, 33:8, Joel 2:28, 3:21 and not to mention Christ in John 3:1-12. So I guess these prophets outside of Ezekiel got it all wrong according to you, right?
---christan on 3/6/12


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Ezekiel 36:16_19 "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman. Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it: And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them."

Neither that Spirit or that Heart were promised to anyone except those people.
---Nana on 3/6/12


"Yet you claim the rebirth or being "born again" is BEFORE faith in Christ. That is unscriptural." JackB

Unscriptural? Read what regeneration entails according to the Scripture:

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:26

Who's the "I" that's doing this "spiritual surgery" of removing the "stony heart"? You and your "free-will"? MOST DEFINITELY NOT! One thing's for sure, you still have a "stony heart" that's not been "surgically removed by the Spirit".
---christan on 3/6/12


Lee, it is a present possession guranteed by God. All those who are born of the Spirit are already bought and baptized into the body of Christ. The consumation of our salvation will be at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Genuine Christians are Spiritually already born of God and children of God.
In ( Phil. 3:10-14) Paul tells us that as Christ died for the purpose of redeeming sinners, so Paul had that same purpose in a lesser sense. He lived and would willingly die to reach sinners with the gospel. Paul uses the anology of a runner who runs to reach the crown. Believers have not reached his goal of Christ likeness, but like the runner in a race, he must continue to pursue the crown which will come at the Second Coming.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/12


When Paul wrote the Epistles, he wrote it with conviction after Jesus Christ struck and converted him on his way to Damascus in Acts 9. Paul never said that he went to Christ by his "free-will" or even "accepted Christ" unlike many, but rather acknowledged, "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace" Galatians 1:15

And that's what inspired Paul by the grace of God to write Philippians 3:10-14 to encourage Christians who are and will be "called by God's grace" which "free-willers" have no part in God's grace whatsoever.
---christan on 3/6/12


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Jack B, from another blog, the subject of dead, you said,
" James says "the body without the spirit is dead". If a man's spirit is dead, how does his body still live?"
Jack, you have a problem interpreting passages. Here the passage is talking about a man who is "spiritually dead." Not dead physically. Look up the word "spirit" for that passage. The spirit is the element in man which gives him the ability to think of God. It is the immaterial invisible part of man. If a man doesn't have the spirit, he is dead spiritually.
In Scripture "dead" refers to physical as well as "spiritual" dead in traspasses and sin" in need to be born again of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/12


"And this is the testimony, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have life." (1 John 5:11-12) So, by having Jesus in us we have His eternal life living in us, now > "My little children, for whom I labor in birth until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19)

So, having eternal life depends on Jesus growing in us, so His eternal love life is growing. So, this does not only depend on outward things we do or don't do. But His love will produce loving relating and actions.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/6/12


Christ is Everlasting: he is the bread of life and the living water, and by accepting him into your life you are accepting his everlasting life. The immortal Christian's life begins when the soul accepts Christ in their earthen life, then their natural life is converted into a member of Christ's body. And if your sanctified physical being dies before the rapture happens, then your soul will be resurrected onto life eternal, upon which the second death has no power. Jesus says: "I am The Resurrection and The Life: the believing in me, even if die, will live." Jn.11:25.
---Eloy on 3/5/12


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