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Why didn't God leave a clearer message?

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e allows sin to continue in every persons life, because He has already ordained that at some point He will do away with sin. He designed it that way. ---MarkV

He sure did...and He carried it out fully in His Son.

Hebrews 9:24-28

You aren't waiting for Him to be sacrificed again, are you? Gonna be a long wait ~ Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:9-10
---blogger8980 on 3/20/12


Mark says that God neither speaks to nor hears sinners. Who was the original sinner? ADAM was. Immediately upon his disobedience, he died spiritually and released sin and the curse upon all men. Yet God comes into the garden and asks ADAM (first sinner) where he was......and ADAM (first sinner) hears God and answers. Then, get this, God responds to him by speaking again. Until the law sin was in the world but sin is not imputed where there is no law. Cain, the first murderer, was also spoken to and he heard and answered a God who heard him. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world being manifested in due time is far more powerful than you give Him credit for.
---blogger8980 on 3/20/12


Blogger89, the God of the Bible cares about saving His Children only. He allows sin to continue in every persons life, because He has already ordained that at some point He will do away with sin. He designed it that way. He already knows how much I will sin, and how He is going to deal with my sin in this life. All has been ordained already and all will come to pass. The plan is done. Nothing can change what is done. Not even your rejection of the Truth. It was going to happen. Only He can bring Truth to you. All things are certain with God. He never makes mistakes are is He ever defeated by man or the enemy. Everyone is condemned already, they have nothing whatsoever to say against God.
---Mark_V. on 3/20/12


Tell me something dose it sounds to you like I'm trying to make you believe in God?
As so many say go forth and preach the gospel? Trying to tell you, you must believe?
I'm telling you, you can't believe! I mean lets be truthful, I can't do anything for you.
Isn't that so, isn't that what I'm telling you? You think Christ was lying when he said:
Luk_16:30-31?

So you say, is the best you can do! Did I say it? No, I repeated it!
Dude I found myself lucky to get thought it the first time I read it!
But this I'll do if God permits.

You can talk to anyone you want or everyone!
But you know it, as well as me!
---TheSeg on 3/20/12


" Blogger89, God is not the author of sin. Get that right. Man sin because they love to sin. God does not make them sin. "Does He make you sin?" Is He working in some unknown way to make you sin? I don't think so. ~MarkV

So...you still sin, therefore you must love to....and the God who has all power is powerless to keep you from loving to sin. You, MarkV, preach a more powerless God than those you accuse of doing so.
---blogger8980 on 3/19/12




a metaphor about pottery is the best you can do?
---atheist on 3/19/12


From the very start, the salvation message has been clear. To Adam who had sinned and made clothes of skin, God message was that his own effforts could not cover him. Thus God made coats of skin

From the time Adam sinned till Jesus, it has been known that salvation was a gift given to man by God, and God had a plan to redeem man from his sin.

In His most ellaborate, clear teaching, God gave a sanctuary by which the world was taught the plan of redeemption. That it is by the shedding of inocent blood, that sinful man would be saved.

Through the sanctuarty everyone would learn how God would die in mans place to remit mankind of their sins

This message was in both pictures and words, so that all could understand
---francis on 3/19/12


Blogger89, God is not the author of sin. Get that right. Man sin because they love to sin. God does not make them sin. "Does He make you sin?" Is He working in some unknown way to make you sin? I don't think so. Did he permit sin to enter the world? He sure did. Did He know it would? He sure did. It was all in His plan. His plan is complete before Him. From beginning to end. Nothing is going to change it no matter what you do. He already knows all that will happen because He ordained it all. It was His plan, not yours. He is not a man that works through time and learns new things. He is all knowing. Before you blaspheme His actions, learn first who He is. Then you will know where man stands before Almighty God.
---Mark_V. on 3/19/12


You saying Christ did not leave you a clear message?
You saying you, have no idea what is going on?

Rom 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay,
of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,
and another unto dishonour?

He does, doesnt he!
Seems to me, this should be clear enough for anyone, who wants to hear it.

Those who dont want to hear will say, there is no clear message!
Those that do will hear his voice as clear as a bell.
Because his voice is all they hear!

Rom_13:1
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Sounds clear enough?
Peace!
---TheSeg on 3/18/12


Theseg,

You need motive to answer this question? Is it to hard, and so you must turn it back on me?
---atheist on 3/18/12




---TheSeg on 3/18/12

I am not even sure what you are talking about or how it relates to the quetsion at hand

"Why didn't God leave a clearer message?"
---francis on 3/18/12


The message of God is clear on the positive and negative side.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers
and strange doctrines
On the positive side, if you follow the posts in all the blogs, one group of people speak of God as an unchanging God in his laws, diet, salvation, plan of redeemption, death, and life after death. Their message is clear and consistant from both OT and NT (yesterday today and forever) Their doctrine is not strange nor diverse from what has been established from the OT.

One the negative side the message of God is also clear:
Daniel 7:23 He said, The fourth beast (ROME) shall think to change times and laws:
Others teach ROME'S message
---francis on 3/18/12


//Why didn't God leave a clearer message?

I rather doubt that the Lord would have given us some kind of formula by which if we follow we will be saved. If He did, then salvation would be of us alone.

God in His soveriegn grace will have mercy on some but not others.

Ro 9:15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

If God has mercy on some, then they will receive His grace and be saved unto eternity life with Him.

Ro 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

All those whom God does not have mercy on will receive only justice.

Pray for God's mercy!
---lee1538 on 3/18/12


Again francis if you read carefully!
You will read the only insult you received is the one you used on me first

Is that not called hypocracy?
francis on 3/18/12

In like manner
You tell me who the hypocrite is.
TheSeg on 3/18/12

Calling myself a simpleton is simple truth!
Just because I can't understand a simply asks question!

Is simply ask: "Why didn't God leave a clearer message?"
francis on 3/18/12

This is not the first time I've called myself anything!
For me to say, you seem very young!
To me is truth!

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

just so we're clear!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/18/12


Can I ask you how old you are, you sound very young to me.
No need to answer me. It just seems to me a simpleton!
A person lacking intelligence or common sense!
That a question like this should be answer in the intent in with it was ask!
That is if you follow me!

---TheSeg on 3/18/12
Thanks for the unveiled insult. It shows the clear message of God: John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

What enforces the belief that there is no God, is the way christian treat each other.
---francis on 3/18/12


You know what francis your right, and I am sorry.
The question is Why didn't God leave a clearer message?
And not Did God leave a clearer message.
So again I am sorry!

Can I ask you how old you are, you sound very young to me.
No need to answer me. It just seems to me a simpleton!
A person lacking intelligence or common sense!
That a question like this should be answer in the intent in with it was ask!
That is if you follow me!

Now Mr. Atheist in truth!
Did you ask this because you are curious about God?
Go ahead tell francis, what is your intent.
Was it to help or hinder?
But address it to francis
Sleep well, Peace!
---TheSeg on 3/18/12


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On what possible level can I agree with him, he said there is no God!
We breathe air?
---TheSeg on 3/18/12
This post did not say that there is no God.

Is simply ask: "Why didn't God leave a clearer message?"

So for one who is not a believer in God, and looking at christianet, it is an obvous question seeing that those who profess to be followers of God have different messages.

I myself being a follower of God am at times baffled by what I read here, how much more one who does not believe?


I think this is a different question than asking for proof of God.
---francis on 3/18/12


MarkV, it doesn't have to say it. If God predetermines everything that happens and you sin, then He (by your doctrinal belief) is the author of the sin you committed.
---blogger8980 on 3/18/12


Blogger89, you and James are wrong. The passage in (Rom. 8:9) does not say that believers, who are born again do not sin. What that passage is referring to is that we are born of the Spirit if the Spirit dwells in us, go to the reference ( 7:5) we have been delivered from the law. And after (8:9) "And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is life because of righteousness" a body dead to sin means the body is not redeemed and dead in sin. And when you walk the street, you are either walking in the Spirit or walking in the flesh. With all that nasty sin in you. So I suggest for you to walk in the Spirit as much as you can.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/12


I am not sure about that.
What I am sure about is that being honest is proof of God in me.
If I disagee just to be disagreeable then where is my testimony that God is with me?

Is that not called hypocracy?
francis on 3/18/12

You are absolutely right it is hypocrisy!
And since not even a sparrow can fall on the ground without your Father!
Then where is your honesty? You tell me who the hypocrite is.

Ye are they which justify yourselves before men, but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

On what possible level can I agree with him, he said there is no God!
We breathe air?
---TheSeg on 3/18/12


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atheist, again it's not my ideas, that offend you.
Nor is it even the fact, that I believe in God that offend you
What bothering you is, you can't understand why I believe in a God.
All I'm saying is that it's not up to me, it's up to God.

Everyone says I believe in God, but not everyone believes God.
If God had never talked to man, man would have never known God!
But, even when he came, did he come to all?

See! Here is where it starts!
How can God come to earth and earth not know?
In the same way!
How can God save the world and the world not know?

Now let's give everyone a bible, until they find the answer!
---TheSeg on 3/17/12


Agreeing with him on any level is reinforcing his belief, that there is no God.
---TheSeg on 3/17/12
I am not sure about that.

What I am sure about is that being honest is proof of God in me.

If I disagee just to be disagreeable then where is my testimony that God is with me?

Is that not called hypocracy?


If I were an atheist, and approached by a christian my question would be:

Should I be an Anglican, baptist, catholic, episcopal, seventh day adventist, penticostal, methodist, lutheran, later day saints, jehovah witness?
Who is teaching the clear message of God?

What enforces the belief that there is no God, is the way christian treat each other, not honesty.
---francis on 3/18/12


Theseg,

Actually you don't offend me. Your ideas offend me.

I hate the offense, but not the offender.

Id that Christ-like?
---atheist on 3/17/12


Nana
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field, the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.



francis
Sound like Some sinners cant be forgiven?
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/17/12


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TheSeg on 3/17/12

Yes the wheat adn tares

In these blogs everyone things he is the wheat and the other guy the tares

That is what is ironic

Only one can be wheat.
Both cannot be wheat, both can be tares.
---francis on 3/17/12


"Agreeing with him on any level is reinforcing his belief, that there is no God."
TheSeg on 3/17/12

"And who is my neighbour?", Luke 10.
Heard of a certain man traveling to Jericho?
Neither a priest, nor a Levite would have compassion on the man.
Only a Samaritan, a despised kind of man according to priests and Levites, akin to the objecttions
some have with each other and with those who believe different than them. But, what did your 'Lord' say?
Was it, "Go, and do thou likewise."

"If not, why ask man?"
Romans 2:24 "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."
1Pet.3:15
Matt.28:19
John 17:20
---Nana on 3/17/12


francis, you know the parable of the sower.
How some received seed into the good ground, hear the word, and understand.
But even though they understand it, some have hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Would these be in agreement? Yet in the same ground!

The kingdom is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
But his enemy came and sowed tares and went his way.
Which is all, I see here!

Should I try ripping them out? Nay!
Because I can only tell you what they look like.
Not what they are and one might be a mustard seed!
So I'll wait for a full harvest, even for atheist!
What I do thou knowest not now, but thou shalt know hereafter.
Mat_13!
---TheSeg on 3/17/12


---TheSeg on 3/17/12

Look how mark_V makes my point
---francis on 3/17/12


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Francis,

An additional thought:

If one sees the inconsistency of belief between oneself and other, then it is necessary to take personal responsibility for your beliefs and actions.

On the other hand, if you pretend that you all agree and take action based on some belief, you can lose that responsibility by agreeing with the group. ---Even if what the group does is wrong, like using god to justify a war.
---atheist on 3/17/12


If atheist were to?
Luk_16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Now look in to your heart and answer me in truth.
So I am loving it!
francis on 3/15/12

Do you really love it?
Its a long road, some are in front of you and some are behind you.
Now I am not trying to put you down!
But when I talk to someone who says there is no God.
I try to ask God how I should answer this person.
Agreeing with him on any level is reinforcing his belief, that there is no God.

Atheist if I offend you, its because you offend me!
---TheSeg on 3/17/12


francis, that is exactly how I feel. God does give a clear message that only His children will understand. It is not about denominations but about the Truth. Too many stick to thier denominaltional believes and miss out on the Truth. The children of God do not miss the message. Only they have eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart to perceive what God says, and understand it, and believe it by faith. Unbelievers are lost, separated from God.
Everyone who is wrong is because they think they can hear and see spiriutal matters, but the carnal mind is enmity against God.
---Mark_V. on 3/17/12


If atheist were to go to one denomination as ask that question. the congregation may answer with one voice YES IT IS CLEAR and THUS said the lord....

But when asked amoung multiple christian denominations, the answer is yes it is clear, but the other guys has muddied it up

Am I the only one who sees the humour and irony in that?

Or am I the only one who is not afraid of the obvious truth?
---francis on 3/17/12


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\\Saying you are still in the flesh is the same as saying the Spirit of God does not dwell in you and Jesus Christ IS NOT (present tense) come in the flesh. This is the spirit of antichrist.\\
---blogger8980 on 3/16/12


A M E N ! ! !
---James_L on 3/17/12


That is the irony.
Witty language used to convey insults or scorn, esp. saying one thing but implying the opposite.

Come on, you have to admit it. It is interesting.
Why would I admit to something I dont see?

Both cannot be right and different at the same time.
Maybe you should be asking yourself, why it is man always has to be right.

Why cant man just accept that he wrong?
This may not make any sense to you.
For he said:
Mar_4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
Mat_13:12!


No one can be right, if everyone is wrong!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/16/12


Atheist,
do you actually believe that God exist?

If not, why ask man?
I'm not asking to be condescending, just kinda wondering.
Mans words can confuse you,
Ask God, He is the true teacher.

:)
---char on 3/16/12


I do not have to be omnipotent to see that no one on your side is clear on any message from god. You all can agree on nothing.
atheist on 3/15/12

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Men only know what God! Permit them to know!
Just as you atheist, like everyone else in the world, can only believe what God give you to believe.
All you can see right now is our weaknesses. But, thats ok.
Laugh at it, make fun of it and dont worry, at the end youll be in God hands.
Trying to understand something you cant believe.
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/16/12


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So, If I understand you, you love the fact that people are confused about God.
And you dont see anything wrong with this, is that about right?
---TheSeg on 3/15/12

That is the irony.
If the message is clear, why should any christain be confused?
Why should one christian's view and belief be different from another if the message is clear?

Come on, you have to admit it. It is interesting.

I have said it many times and will say it again:
If two denomination have different set of doctrines. One may be right,the other will be wrong, or both may be wrong. Both cannot be right and different at the same time.

so is the message clear?!
---francis on 3/16/12


\\If Christians are sinners, as most here argue, then aren't we acting very "Christian" when we sin?

Thank you, James. We in this body do groan, not that we should be unclothed but that we should be further clothed with our habitation from on high, that mortality shall be swallowed up of life. He who has wrought us for this very thing is God. Sin dwells in the flesh. We are not in the flesh but in the spirit if the Spirit of God dwells in us. Saying you are still in the flesh is the same as saying the Spirit of God does not dwell in you and Jesus Christ IS NOT (present tense) come in the flesh. This is the spirit of antichrist.
---blogger8980 on 3/16/12


Atheist said: "As far as something from nothing? Gee I just don't know."

Atheist, either your Agnostic or you believe NOTHING created the huge diversity of complex life here. The "I just don't know" answer is hardly an convincing support for your claim to being an Atheist. Clearly you have an interest in the topic of where we all came from, etc.

And regarding alleged Christian conflicting messages, many here do in fact agree on the gospel in spite of different denominations. We believe on Jesus and are saved.

This is the clear message God has given mankind. Some reject it choosing Atheism, other gods, self-righteous works, or just not interested.


---Haz27 on 3/16/12


Athiest, from your view it does look like exactly what you said when you said,

"The most likely explanation is that god was created by man and not the other way around. Thus god is, what each person says he is,"

If I was you, which I'm not, I would think the same thing. It does seem like most so call Christians have created their own god the way they answer.
But the God of Scripture makes no mistakes. He does save His own children. They will come to faith, they will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, they will receive the Holy Spirit, they will know the Truth and will not be deceived by any false doctrines. They will be receive eternal life and never parish. God does make His word known to them and them only.
---Mark_V. on 3/16/12


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What could be clearer, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. That's it. Do you believe?
---Pat.pat on 3/15/12


Haz,

I do not have to be omnipotent to see that no one on your side is clear on any message from god. You all can agree on nothing.

As far as something from nothing? Gee I just don't know. But that doesn't mean your imaginary and invisible friend had anything to do with it.
---atheist on 3/15/12


\\unchristianlike bahaviour of " christians" \\
---francis on 3/15/12

Hmmm.

If Christians are sinners, as most here argue, then aren't we acting very "Christian" when we sin?
---James_L on 3/15/12


Atheist, everyone will tell you, you not saved.
Because you dont believe!
Why even you would have to say, you are not saved.
Because there is no God to save you, right!
How hear me out!

Somehow your understanding of God makes you believe.
That one day, TheSeg was walking down the street and just decided to believe in God.
Maybe some man I talked to or even the bible, mom, dad or family.

See, you like so many here seem to think, its their pick, choice or freewill who decided.
And its not! Its God who decided when and where youll believe.

I say, I know everyone is saved!
Everyone tell me thats not what God says!
I tell them, Yes it is!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/15/12


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Atheist: Are you claiming omnipotence to be able to see that God's message is not getting through?

Some accept the gospel others reject it.

Rom 1:19-28 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,...although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened...as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind"

Your belief that NOTHING created all the complex diversity around us shows belief in foolishness and evidence of a debased mind. You've heard the gospel but reject it. But others accept it.
---Haz27 on 3/15/12


It does seem to me that an omnipotent god would know how to communicate perfectly to ALL. And ALL would be in agreement. That this has not occurred is proof that god is not omnipotent,doesn't care what we believe, or doesn't exist.
---atheist on 3/15/12
This is one of the arguements made by Christopher Hitchens " God is not great"

the other agruement is the unchristianlike bahaviour of " christians" toward non-christains, and also towards christians
---francis on 3/15/12


So I am loving it
francis on 3/15/12

So, If I understand you, you love the fact that people are confused about God.
And you dont see anything wrong with this, is that about right?

And an atheist, by his name, agrees with you. Saying:
It does seem to me that an omnipotent god would know how to communicate perfectly to ALL. And ALL would be in agreement. That this has not occurred is proof that god is not omnipotent,doesn't care what we believe, or doesn't exist.

And youre good with this!
Just seems to me a simpleton!
That hes right in something he said.
God doesn't care what we believe.

Nothing you believe will change the faith of God.
Just thought you should know!
---TheSeg on 3/15/12


Of course nobody ever understood that the 'BOOK TRAP' is part of the strong delusion (because we were all indoctrinated to believe that the "strong delusion" is a FUTURE event.....the earthly term and concept of "future" is not relevant to divinity/spirituality.....this is the age of ETERNITY).

The CLEAR message can be found in the only doctrine that we are to be concerned with...the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST (Christ and Him crucified), BUT so many believers will ALWAYS insist on being 'BOOKMASTERS'.....and so, the strong delusion will continue as long as people wish to be "bookmasters".
---more_excellent_way on 3/15/12


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Francis,

It does seem to me that an omnipotent god would know how to communicate perfectly to ALL. And ALL would be in agreement. That this has not occurred is proof that god is not omnipotent,doesn't care what we believe, or doesn't exist.

The most likely explanation is that god was created by man and not the other way around. Thus god is, what each person says he is, using scripture to interpret the points of disagreement.
---atheist on 3/15/12


YES, this is a very good question (because it will separate the "dogs"/"swine" from the "sons of the most high"), but it's only the first step in "wisdom"). There are many TRULY SINCERE lovers of God (many even become backsliders out of disappointment) and there are also many "dogs" who'd rather trade "the pearls" for a "TEXT".

When God was speaking to Ezekiel about those "dogs", God was in effect telling Ezekiel "LAY OFF them" (meaning "don't you go chewing them out or correcting them, THEY'RE ALL MINE, I will answer them MYSELF").

Ezekiel 14:4 "answer him myself".

...thus, the STRONG, STRONG "delusion".
---more_excellent_way on 3/15/12


Clear message of God.
Humans born of man are sinfull. The only payment for sin is death.
(Adam and Eve)
But John 3:16 "God so loved the world" (That is you and me) "he gave his Son" (the death payment), That whoever believes in [the Son] shall have eternal life".
How God does this is debatable.
The second message of God is sanctification. This is us striving to become more like Jesus. The issues here are giving up control of our lives and living as a son of God aka Jesus. "...Pick up your cross daily." Why this is complicated is because people do not want to give up control especially men so we create work arounds like Jesus really means this or this does not apply to me.
---Scott1 on 3/15/12


This is one of the best blogs ever.

Think about it!

An athiest asking a bunch of christians each with a totally different message "Why didn't God leave a clearer message?"

Obviously they will say that God's message is clear.
But if the message is so clear, why do they all have a different message from the same God.

Each will claim that is it not God's message that is unclear it is man's message

So I am loving it
---francis on 3/15/12


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Atheist
I agree it is not a very clear message. But it's not Gods message, it's man's message that's unclear.
Gods message to man, is much like someone giving you directions to a desired location. If you follow those directions, as they are given, you will get to your desired location.
God gave those directions, which lead to Salvation, through Jesus Christ, and his directions are found in the Four Gospels.

Many of the doctrines take these directions and tell you to go left, when Jesus tells you to go right.
Just one wrong turn, and you will never get to your desired location.
I was once an Atheist too, and I didn't find my way by following man's doctrines.
---David on 3/15/12


The one who Jesus said he will built on a Rock:)
---Ruben on 3/14/12

Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven


VERY CLEAR
---francis on 3/14/12


Francis //John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

*SORRY LEEJ, the ten commandments was NOT given through moses.

Deuteronomy 4:13 And HE DECLARED unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED you to perform, even ten commandments, and HE WROTE them upon two tables of stone.
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*John must have been talking about ANOTHER LAW.
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With statements like that it is evident that YOU NEED HELP.

Your statements are really becoming more crazy as time goes on.

Your religion is driving you crazy.

Suggest you take a break and regain your mental health.
---lee1538 on 3/14/12


A theist: God's message is clear enough for folk who are willing to hear (pay attention to) it. Leon


Meaning those who agree with what you believe that message to be.
---atheist on 3/14/12


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So which of the 2000+ denominations is teaching this CLEAR MESSAGE OF GOD?
---francis on 3/14/12

Easy:

The one who Jesus said he will built on a Rock:)
---Ruben on 3/14/12


Why didn't God leave a clearer message?
Joh 9:27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

If you dont believe there a God, how can you possibly understand anything he says?
All you guys seem to think you can talk to a man and hear God voice. Well keep going!
Its taken you this far.

There are just some things you should believe first!
Oh wait a minute! You cant, why because you dont believe.

And here a kick, but you wont believe it. Who fault is it?
Some of you are so foolish, you believe its mans.
Well, if this is what you believe! Your right!
---TheSeg on 3/14/12


So which of the 2000+ denominations is teaching this CLEAR MESSAGE OF GOD?
---francis on 3/14/12


A theist: God's message is clear enough for folk who are willing to hear (pay attention to) it.
---Leon on 3/14/12


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\\... all the right beliefs will not save anyone.\\

Wrong.

Jesus said, "Your faith has saved you."

Glory o Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/12


Don't go by any denominational doctrine even tho some are ok and mostly correct But rather go by the Holy Bible Doctrine. Read for yourself and see what God tells you in His Word. Because we'll be Judged by His Holy Word. Only way to salvation is thru Jesus Christ! His Shed Blood washes our sins white as snow!
---marlon on 3/14/12


\\If God was so clear, why so many denominations?

How is one who does not believe in God find truth among the 2000+ christian denominations each claiming to have the truth, while denouncing the other, each one claiming to come from the same bible?\\

That's because they are using the wrong approach.

The Orthodox Church existed before ONE WORD of the NT was written down.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/12


I believe God did leave a very clear message, but not written.

There is little evidence of any written message from Adam until Moses (except Job).

The message was intended to be taught verbally. Even in Moses' writings, the fathers were to teach their kids.

The NT writings came about decades after Christ died.

Why? God has always intended for the message to be handed down verbally. When men write it, then translate it into other languages, and time passes, the original message becomes less clear as people are influenced by culture, philosophy, and wishful thinking
---James_L on 3/13/12


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//How is one who does not believe in God find truth among the 2000+ christian denominations each claiming to have the truth, while denouncing the other, each one claiming to come from the same bible?
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However if we view the doctrines of many of those denominations we see a great commonality as far as the basic beliefs of the Christian faith is concerned.

I really do not believe that denominational barriers actually prevents the Lord from saving those of whom He will. Religion, denominational affliation or all the right beliefs will not save anyone.

However, some denominational affiliations will keep one from being a fruitful Christian as some of their doctrinal views are clearly in error.
---lee1538 on 3/13/12


Being omnipotent message delivery should be no problem, and language can be a confusing and misinterpretation tool.

---atheist on 3/13/12

There are two very important messages that cannot be ignored
1: the prophecies given in the book of daniel which gives the names and rulers of nation that would come years before the existed.

Ofcource those who choose not to believe will say they are written in retrospect

2: the earthly sanctuary:
God clearerly shwoing the plan of redeemption / salvation throught the earthly sanctuary, and Jesus coming to earth and fullfiling that prophecy exactly.


Those two messages are very clear
---francis on 3/13/12


Francis,

You hit the old nail on the head.

Being omnipotent message delivery should be no problem, and language can be a confusing and misinterpretation tool.

A few despots bursting into flames might get the point across, done only every century or two.
---atheist on 3/13/12


"For this is the message that you all heard from the beginning, that we should love one another: A new commandment I give to you: That you all love one another, as I have loved you, that you all also love one another. This is my commandment: That you all love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love no one has than this, that someone lay down their life for their friends." I Jn.3:11+ Jn.13:34+ 15:12,13.
---Eloy on 3/13/12


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Why didn't God leave a clearer message? atheist, Gods Word is clear as HE reveals it. It is Spiritually discerned. One can read or listen to it read and not truly understand unless/until He makes it clear. Then, when revelation happens, youll have no doubt it is of Him and not simply your own understanding. To know God has thus spoken to you is both humbling and exhilarating.
---Chria9396 on 3/13/12


well lets see this from atheist side:

If God was so clear, why so many denominations?

How is one who does not believe in God find truth among the 2000+ christian denominations each claiming to have the truth, while denouncing the other, each one claiming to come from the same bible?
---francis on 3/13/12


Your statement is unclear, atheist.

What do you mean by this question?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/12


He was very clear, atheist.

He gave his life for your sins because He loves you. Regardless of what you have done, He still loves you. He wants you to believe in the provision He has made for you in Jesus Christ so that you can experience the fullness of his love. When you do that, the fear of death no longer keeps you captive in sin (Heb 2:15) and you are free to experience the fullness of REAL life and love by the Spirit of Christ living in you.

Yes He WILL forgive you.
He even cried out for forgiveness for those that were crucifying him! That is a love that no other man has.
---JackB on 3/13/12


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Jesus says, "'No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.'" (John 6:44) The way God does this is very clear to God who is doing this with each individual.

But people in their own understanding and ability use Bible verses to invent what they can demand and copy-cat.

And the Bible is designed to be "a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart," we have in Hebrews 4:12. It is written to expose each person's motives. People understand the Bible according to their real character dictating how they understand things in the Bible, not necessarily according to all God means.
---willie_c: on 3/13/12


what would a clarer message look or sound like?

How about this one:
Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven, [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.
---francis on 3/13/12


It's just as clear - plain as the nose on a persons face. Acts v 38 Is The Salvation of God, to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost, & for us today, The Very Same as The Early Church. The is No other Salvation of God outside from Acts 2 v 38 which Fulfills Matt.28 v 19. In The name.
---Lawrence on 3/13/12


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