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Wages Of Sin Death In Hell

Is the wages of sin "death" or "eternal life" as a spook in a torture pit? What does the Bible say?

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John 8:24 Jesus said, "Unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins."
---char on 3/22/12


MarkV: "I don't dance to stupid questions."

ROFL! For a guy who won't answer a question, you sure wrote a lot about it. Dance on, little man.


---jerry6593 on 3/22/12


Warwick, let me show you what I mean. (v.6:8) says,
"But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord" Now who is speaking or writting this? Someone other then Noah. (v. 6:9) says, "This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations, Noah walked with God" Noah did not write this.
In (v.7:19) someone is writing this also, "And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered." The writer would have to see around the earth to know that it was Universal. If it was Noah in the Ark, how could he know?
Warwiok, that is my point, not everything is explained in detail. It was not meant to be.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/12


Mark, I responded to what you wrote "people frequently describe things the way they appear from human perspective." You explained about "all flesh" as though this was a human perspective when in fact as Genesis 6:13 and 17 show these are Gods words.

Genesis 6:9 says "This is the account of Noah." Considering Noah was "a righteous man" chosen of God for such a momentous task it is most certain the flood account (other than many quotes from God) was Noahs, God's chosen eye witness. Being specifically chosen by God do we need to doubt this account is inspired by God, written by Noah?

You say there is no detail but God gives 3 chapters to describe what happened.
---Warwick on 3/21/12


Jerry, I don't dance to stupid questions. Explain first what death and what life you are talking about, for Scripture mentions a few deaths and a few lifes'. Then you might get an answer. Not falling for your stupid questions.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12




MarkV: This is not an amateur tapdance competition, so stop dancing and answer the question.

Are DEATH and LIFE the same state of existence????


---jerry6593 on 3/21/12


Warwick, you are arguing with yourself. My point was that no details are given. I'm not arguing that the flood was not universal, I believe it was. But the details are not given. We also know what God said He was going to do. But the details are not given. We know the writer of the flood had to be an eye witness, we don't know who it was and we have to speculate. The writer said, the waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward. How did he know? He also says, all flesh died, no details how he knew. He even names the animals by name, how does he know? No details are given. We do know God was speaking to him to write what He was going to do from God's perspective, but not what he witness. His perspective. Not everything is clear as glass.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


Mark what you have said regarding the flood is the thinking of someone not prepared to believe the flood was universal. But God (not man) said:

"I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Genesis 6:13

And "For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die." 6:17.

See also 7:4. This is from God, not from man's perspective.

Why take creatures upon the ark if it was a local flood? Indeed why build such a massive ark if it was just a local flood? Nonsensical.
---Warwick on 3/20/12


Gordon:

1) I don't know what the Noahide laws are, so I can't search Genesis for them. I certainly don't ever remember seeing anywhere that saying the name YAH is worthy of death. Only saying God's name IN VAIN.

2) Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Antichrist will impose the Noahide Laws on the world. Where do you get THAT from?
---StrongAxe on 3/20/12


StrongAxe, The 7 Noahide Laws were designed by a certain sect of religious Jews who absolutely hate and reject YAHUSHUA (JESUS). They will receive the Anti-Christ as their messiah. These Jews believe that the 10 Commandments are only for the Jews, and that the 7 Noahide Laws are for the Gentiles. Well, look up the Story of Noah in GENESIS and tell me if you see seven Laws of Noah. If anyone so much as speaks the Sacred Name of "YAH", as in "YAHWEH" or "YAHUSHUA", under the Noahide Laws, they will be worthy of death according to these Jews. Death will be by decapitation. They accuse that to even speak the Sacred Name of "YAH" is "taking the Name of the LORD in vain." But, that's NONSENSE.
---Gordon on 3/20/12




Jerry, you did have an agenda. You are trying to speak for someone sleeping. Hey, I just woke up, I'm not sleeping anymore. Now you ask,

" Does conscious life continue after death or not? The Bible says NOT."

I suppose if you believe someone is asleep when they die, you believe a believer can be spiritually separated from Christ. Now that is not biblical. We are now one part of the spiritual body in Christ. Never to be separated again. Believers are born of God. They are very much alive in Christ.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, "made us alive together with Christ.." (Eph. 2:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 3/20/12


MarkV: Many words, but your are still dodging the question (and it is not a trick question). Does conscious life continue after death or not? The Bible says NOT. What do you say and why? And the term "spook" is easier for some to understand than "independent, self-sustaining, non-corporeal entity".


---jerry6593 on 3/20/12


The Seven Laws of Noah are found only in the Talmud. And only a Jewish court can enforce them, a Bet Din. No such courts currently exist having jurisdiction over non-Jews.
---Pat.pat on 3/19/12


Jerry, you ask a trick question. There is many kinds of death. Dead in sin, spiritual death, physical death, eternal death. In Life, it depends if you are speaking of eternal life, Spiritual life, born of the Spirit, physical life. Normally when you ask such questions, you only want to confuse a perticular subject you argue about.
When speaking about Scripture words, you have to read the context to know which is one its talking about. I know you have an agenda, are you would not have added "spooks" to the question. You are trying to put someone down when they answer another way, as you tried with Cluny. Only heretics try such stuff like Jehovah witnesses and Mormons as they do with the humanity of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/19/12


MarkV, You're right in saying that GOD makes no mistakes. So, if God sees fit to take someone to Hell, to show them what Hell is like by just being there, then, God can do so. And, He has done so. A number of times, in fact. He's doing so more now than ever. Sorry that you do not believe this. But, there are many others who DO believe it. And, many have been saved as a result. Which is GOD's intention for these Visitations to Hell in the first place. His Goal is being accomplished. So, just like you say that my words mean nothing concerning these Visitations to Hell. Likewise, your words of doubt, in this issue, mean nothing. Because, again, GOD's Goal is being accomplished by these Visitations. And, PRAISE HIM for HIS Grace and Mercy! :-)
---Gordon on 3/19/12


Gordon:

How do you know the Antichrist will "set the seven Noahide laws in motion"? Is that from personal revelation too, because I don't recall ever seeing it in the Bible.
---StrongAxe on 3/19/12


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Hell is not the lake of fire. Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. At least give the impression you actually read the Bible for yourself instead of spew what someone else has said. Revelation 20:14
---blogger8980 on 3/19/12


If you are alive and burning in the lake of fire for ever, then you are stil alive you are not dead.

Death means death

So based on the bile, people will burn and die in the lake of fire, and turnt o ashes. They will not be alive and being burnt in the lake of fire: that would also be eternal life
---francis on 3/19/12


MarkV: OK, just for you... the shortened version. (We'll get to the spook later.)

Are LIFE and DEATH the same state of existence?

Cluny has been unable to answer the question. Perhaps you can.


---jerry6593 on 3/19/12


Gordon, let me say I have read the passages many times. Of course not every word Jesus said is recorded. If God felt we needed to know those words, He did not forget to give them to us. You are suggesting that God did not have enough room for the others things so He cut us short. If God wanted us to have two books or three books as our Bible we would have it. You are one who looks for myteries and wonders. We have what we need. God makes no mistakes. And nothing outside of God's Word is truth unless it can be authenticated by the Truth. What you say cannot be authenticated by the Truth. We don't take your word for it, for man while still sinful makes many mistakes. God makes no mistakes.
---Mark_V. on 3/19/12


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If the antichrist is to enforce the Seven Laws of Noah, then he will be Jewish. So we can now get a little antisemitism rolling.... People will start to wish the Germans had finished the job....
---Pat.pat on 3/18/12


MarkV, You totally ignored those Scripture Verses I quoted to you from JOHN. How can I say that? Because ALL details were not recorded in the Scriptures, and JOHN 21:25 testifies to that. ALSO, you disregard the Truth of how GOD even had the Prophet Daniel SEAL UP certain Visions and Prophecies UNTIL THE END TIMES. So, GOD does have, what would be "New Revelations" FOR US, for today. Not "New" to GOD, but, New for US. GOD revealed the basic Truths in the Scriptures. And, if GOD wishes to expound on the details of Hell and Heaven, HE certainly can do so. THAT you know is true. So, GOD has done so, but, if you do not wish to believe it, that's your affair. I'm just here to give witness to the Truth.
---Gordon on 3/18/12


Gordon:

So, there we have it. You believe that your own personal relevations about God are more true than the ones actually written in the Bible itself.

Since you consider your own personal revelations to be authoritative, but those written in the Bible not to be, what parts of the Bible do you actually believe in at all?

And, more importantly, why should we believe you, a single witness, than the writers of the Bible, many witnesses writing in concert?
---StrongAxe on 3/18/12


Gordon, you are suggesting there is new revelation not written in Scripture coming out every day. That is shear nonsense. When the Bible closed the Truth of God close. There is no revelation that God wanted to convey to us outside of Scripture. That revelation you talk about comes from man. There is no way you can authenticate it is coming from God. No possible way. If people don't believe in hell, it is not because God missed something. It is the Spirit that reveals the written Truth. They don't believe in hell because the Spirit has not revealed it to them. It is spiritual truth.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/12


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StrongAxe, I do not care what the "original writers" thought was sufficient. Why should I give a rip what religious men say when GOD HIMSELF has made the true Hebrew Name of the Saviour known to me and many others? To those who care to know, that is. The Scriptures say that it is better to obey GOD rather than men. What GOD has revealed, and is revealing today, through HIS people, override what some "religious scholars" think. If you really love the Saviour and King of kings, you should also want to know His true Birth Name. His true Hebrew Name is going to make a whale of a difference when the Anti-Christ comes and the 7 Noahide Laws are set in motion.
---Gordon on 3/18/12


MarkV, LISTEN, As I just mentioned, Not everything, not every detail about Hell, was recorded in the Scriptures. Just like, everything that YAHUSHUA said and did was not recorded in the Scriptures (PLEASE READ in JOHN 21:25!) But, because the other things that YAHUSHUA said and did were not recorded in Scripture, Does that mean that they were "unimportant"? NO. Of course not! Not by virtue of Who He IS! It's just that GOD chose not to reveal those things for the time being. But, NOW, HE is choosing to reveal details about Hell to us today. People are not even believing the Scripture's own description of Hell as it IS!! So He's giving witness of His Word so that, in hopes, some others will believe and be saved!
---Gordon on 3/18/12


Jerry, if you had written the question without
"as a spook in a torture pit" maybe someone could answer you question. Seems the spooks in the torture pit, you are refering to are not mention in Scripture. Why not ask a real question?
---Mark_V. on 3/18/12


Follower: Thanks for answering the blog question.



Cluny:
Why don't you try answering the blog question - Are LIFE and DEATH the same state of existence?


---jerry6593 on 3/18/12


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Gordon:

1) The original writers of the New Testament used the Greek name "Iesous". They seemed to think it was adequate enough. Why don't you?

2) I have frequently seen the spelling "Yehoshua". However, I have almost never seen the spelling "YEHUSHUA" (especially all uppercase, as you always write it). The only reference I can find online that spells it that way is someone named GaVaS, whose beliefs seem quite unusual, to say the least.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/12


Only those who receive gift of salvation receive eternal life all others do not have eternal life (1 John 3:15)

Psalms 146:4
His breath goeth forth(mans death), he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish (aka cease to exist), but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death(Psalms 146:4), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

~ humble follower of The Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, 1 Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/17/12


Gordon, don't you realize the arguement against Strongaxe. You are saying those persons experience should be believe over what Strongaxe says. People experience to other peoples experience and opinions. One is truth and the other is not. Nonsense. If someone gives me his experience should I believe him over what is written in Scripture? No. Many have experiences and visions and you name it. Why should we believe what they say as Truth? Can it be authenticated by the Word of God? The only Truth is written in God's Word. If it is not in God's Word it is only opinions, experiences and speculations of man. Where is God to vow what those people say is true?
---Mark_V. on 3/17/12


Many times (MANY, MANY), I've posted verses that are self-explanatory and clear as day, but alot of times, some believers simply INSIST on being rebelious to God and continue to disregard them as they were taught to do and they even ARGUE AGAINST these verses. The believers love Moses, Joshua, Noah, John the Baptist, etc. more than they love GOD ALONE (and they believe that they are not glorifying MAN).

"All who came before me are thieves and robbers".

...There is no need for me to cite the verse number for this verse because few seem to care what God says. Those who do care will look it up and see that it actually does exist.

in the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 3/17/12


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"Remember the Law of My servant Moses...."?
As I recall, you've been discounting it. Why?

---Cluny on 3/16/12
Because that portion of scripture has nothing to do with the topic of death. but rather of the sacrifices which God commanded through Moses:
Malachi 1:8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil?


Remember, these would b e the remains of people created in God's image Have you not the least hesitation at the idea, francis?
---Cluny on 3/16/12

Genesis 3:19 for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was
---francis on 3/17/12


StrongAxe, I grew up with the Name of JESUS. I just began using the Name YAHUSHUA in 2006. The Lord was born in Israel. He had a Hebrew mother (Mary/Miriam) and a Hebrew "step-father" (Joseph/Yosef). He was born in the royal Lineage of the great king of Israel, king David. The Saviour was born in, lived in and died in Israel (save for a short stint in Egypt after His Birth). Would His Name NOT be a Hebrew Name? "YAHUSHUA" is Hebrew. "JESUS" is Anglo-Grecian. "YAHUSHUA" means "YAHWEH is Salvation". "JESUS", being a mixture of Greek and English, therefore, cannot possibly be the Hebrew Saviour's true Name. This SHOULD be common sense. The Name "JESUS" is still Anointed for now.
---Gordon on 3/17/12


StrongAxe, You insinuate that the visitations to Hell and the "skin thing" should not be trusted or believed because nobody actually "witnessed" it? It's the people who have been to Hell and back's word against yours. Who should we believe? Them, who have testified of going to Hell and back, like Mary K. Baxter, Bill Wiese, Jennifer Perez, Angelica, and B.W. Melvin, etc.? Or, you? GOD has the Power to give insight and revelation to people concerning what Hell is really like. No one knows a place better than one who has actually been there. These people give testimony to what Hell is like. It's their word against yours.
---Gordon on 3/17/12


Gordon, you are correct when you speak of the parable of the rich man and the beggar, but I agree with Strongaxe when it comes to speculations about something not written in the word of God. It is all speculations unless God tells us. Things not written do not count. Every single individual would have his own spin on things. We can speculate, but in the end it is not Truth. No Scripture to compare it to. People would not be able to check any preacher on what he is teaching. We have the Word of God. If we needed anything else, God would have gave it to us.
---Mark_V. on 3/17/12


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Cluny: "I find the notion of treading over cremated human remains disgusting and distasteful."

That's the problem with guys like you and Axey, you trust your own emotions rather than the Word of God. Besides, all those ashes will make good fertilizer for the vegetation in the earth made new.

Why don't you try answering the blog question - Are LIFE and DEATH the same state of existence?


---jerry6593 on 3/17/12


BTW, francis, in your quoting of Malachi 4:3, why did you not go in to verse 4, where God says, "Remember the Law of My servant Moses...."?

As I recall, you've been discounting it.

Why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/12


\\most of your questions are juvenile\\

In other words, francis, you cannot answer my question.

I find the notion of treading over cremated human remains disgusting and distasteful.

Remember, these would b e the remains of people created in God's image whom He originally intended for salvation.

Have you not the least hesitation at the idea, francis? Or is your conscience seared?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/12


Strong axe, I see your point. Yahushua sounds like Yahoo to me. Funny huh.
---Pat.pat on 3/16/12


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Pat.pat:

1) Gordon talked about Jesus taking people to hell. Unfortunately, all we have is anecdotal evidence of this. How can we know if they were ACTUALLY there, or if these were just hallucinations?

It's curious that when people see visions of heaven, hell, Jesus, Mary, etc., such visions usually conform to things they have been taught. This means, either they are totally fabricated within their own minds, or they are at least heavily colored by their own preconceptions.

2) He mentioned such visits to hell, but he did not say people specifially witnessed the skin thing.

3) Gordon always calls Jesus "YAHUSHUA". It's curious that he is unsatisfied with how Jesus is always ACTUALLY referred to in the Bible.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/12


Notice that francis made several posts, but never answered my question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/12
most of your questions are juvenile

Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.

Who is going to clean up the ashes, francis?

---Cluny on 3/15/12
---francis on 3/16/12


\\Who is going to clean up the ashes, francis?\\

Notice that francis made several posts, but never answered my question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/12


Strong Ax, looks like Gordon backed me up.
---Pat.pat on 3/16/12


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StrongAxe, YAHUSHUA (JESUS) has been taking some people to Hell and back so that they can give witness to that place to us on Earth. Some people don't believe what the Bible says about Hell as it IS. There are details about Hell that were not recorded in the Bible. LISTEN, it's the same thing as when the Apostle John stated in JOHN 21:25, that if every single thing that the Lord YAHUSHUA said and did on Earth were recorded, he supposed that the WHOLE WORLD would not've been able to contain the amount of books that'd've been written as a result. So, not everything YAHUSHUA said and did was recorded in the Scriptures, but, does that mean that what was not recorded was not important? Of course not! Same with the info and details about Hell.
---Gordon on 3/16/12


Pat.pat, GOD originally created Hell and the Lake of Fire for the Devil and his angels. These places were MEANT to be places of unspeakable pain and horror. Humans who choose to follow Satan and his evil ways will also end up in these places. GOD has it so that some souls in Hell will have skin that falls off and "grows back again". WHY? Because, it is the process of decay that continues on and on without any hope of ever having a beautiful, healthy body again. Beauty and health belong to only those in Heaven. Death is not "Annihilation". Eternal Death is the bringing down of the soul into a state of UTTER WORTHLESSNESS. Where the soul has to live out their eternity in continual utter worthlessness with pain and torments.
---Gordon on 3/16/12


---Rob on 3/15/12
I do not see how the clear word fits into this blog.

My question to you is:
HAVE YOU READ THE CLEAR WORD or are you just going by hear say?

If you left the SDA church why even both looking into what it is publishing?

The clear word was written by one individaul. It stated out as his own person notes on various chapters, then he publish a book. It was never intended to be a bible.

I have also published a book called The Image of God in This Generation: serving and worshiping an unchanging God

There are many SDA writers. So to me, it is not even a big deal.
---francis on 3/16/12


Pat.pat:

Can you cite any scriptures that say that in hell, people's skin burns off and is then replaced again? I thought I might have seen stories like that in mythology (or perhaps in cheap horror films), but not in the Bible.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/12


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"But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives." (1 Timothy 5:6) In sin she's "dead" but able to feel pleasure. Those in sin are love dead. And, about those who are dead in sin . . . "Destruction and misery are in their ways," > Romans 3:16 > so ones who are dead in sin can experience "misery".

After people die, they won't have their bodies for feeling nice things, but their spirit will continue and be able to experience misery that is not longer being "diluted" by physical pleasures.

One will be able to experience being "tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." (in Revelation 14:10)
---willie_c: on 3/16/12


Not spook in a pit. You will have a body in hell. The skin burns off and then God replaces it with new skin, and then burns that off. That goes on forever. So don't go to hell. Get fire insurance as a saved person.
---Pat.pat on 3/15/12


JERRY, In the Story of the rich man and Lazarus, of LUKE 16:22-24, the Lord YAHUSHUA (JESUS) said "And it came to pass, that the beggar (Lazarus) died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried, And IN HELL he (rich man) lift up his eyes, BEING IN TORMENTS, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me...for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME." JERRY, this Story shows that the rich man was in Hell AFTER he died. No mention of "soul-sleep". NO MATTER, it shows that there IS a tormenting Hell awaiting after death. YAHUSHUA would've given indication of any symbolism IF the Torments and burning flame were merely symbolic.
---Gordon on 3/16/12


Francis, I had asked a question about the Clear Word Bible, but it was never posted.

Once again you have proven yourself to be a liar and want to divert attention away from the truth.

The Clear Word Bible was inittialy published by the Southern Press Adventist University.

After receiving controversy, (even among some SDA's) the name was changed to the Clear Word Devotional, which is now published by The Hearald Publishing Association, which is SDA owned and also endorsed by some SDA Pastors.

Nothing about this book has changed except for calling it a DEVOTIONAL, instead of calling it a BIBLE!
---Rob on 3/15/12


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Samuel, on 3/15/12 you wrote to Lee, WILL YOU ALSO ADMIT WE DO NOT CONSIDER THE WRITING OF E.G. WHITE TO BE SCRIPTURE?

Samuel if you look through these blogs, you will see that both Francis and Jerry have acknowleged "NO CHRISTIAN LIBRARY IS COMPLETE UNLESS THEY INCLUDE THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G. WHITE.

The Clear Word Bible (which the SDA's now call a Devotional) has many of the writings of Ellen G. White!
---Rob on 3/15/12


//What does the Bible say?"

Romans 8:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

(Spiritual) death is really the opposite of eternal life in Christ. It is essentially everlasting separation from God.

While we think of the condemned being cast into the lake of fire, it may very well be that the lake of fire is a mere descriptor of a greater horror that a conscious being could suffer.

Whether the resurrected damned will have an asbestos body that will cannot be burned up or a body that will eventually be destroyed is really something that the religious still debate as to what the Scripture teaches.
---lee1538 on 3/15/12


Can we get back to the blog topic. If you guys wish to speak about the clear word some more, start a clear word blog

But the topic is: "Is the wages of sin "death" or "eternal life" as a spook in a torture pit? What does the Bible say?"

can we deal with that
PLEASE
---francis on 3/15/12


\\
Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.\\

Who is going to clean up the ashes, francis?

Refusing to call the CWB does not stop it from being one, even if terribly mangled.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 3/15/12


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So Lee are you going back on your statment on the SDA being like the Witnesses and the Watchtower?

Will you also admit that we do not consider the writing of E. G. White as scripture?

The doctrine of Conditionalism is upheld in the book "The fire that Consumes" by Fudge a nonadventist Professor. He came to the conclusion from studying the bible only. Just like we Seventh day Adventists did.
---Samuel on 3/15/12


The Clear Word Bible is not produced, nor endorsed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, but is the private enterprise of an individual. The Adventist Church does not use the Clear Word edition,... the church uses the King James Version, the Revised Standard Version, the New American Bible, the New International Version, and others Australasian Conference Association Limited[4]
---lee1538 on 3/15/12

OK NOW WHAT?

the clear word is NOT A BIBLE it is a DEVOTIONAL and written to be used as such
---francis on 3/15/12


from Wikipedia -

The Clear Word Bible is not produced, nor endorsed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, but is the private enterprise of an individual. The Adventist Church does not use the Clear Word edition, which includes passages from Ellen G. Whites writings, for its worship services and Bible studies around the world, but quotes from well known and well accepted Bible translations in the various languages. In the English language for example, the church uses the King James Version, the Revised Standard Version, the New American Bible, the New International Version, and others Australasian Conference Association Limited[4]
---lee1538 on 3/15/12


so you guys hacve nothing biblical to say about hell and death based on the bible, so the SDA obsession continues?


because SDA teaching on teh subject is 100% correct, we believe God when He stated in Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood, neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



---francis on 3/15/12


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//The Clear Word Bible was written by a SDA, it is publisched by the SDA's, and it is sold in SDA book stores.
---Rob on 3/15/12
Yes, they have to keep up with the Jehovah's Witnesses as they also have a need to alter the Bible to support their errant doctrine. Of course, like the Awake and Wathchtower magazines, they can boast of the writings of Ellen White as scripture.

---lee1538 on 3/15/12


---Cluny on 3/15/12
Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

CLEAR WORD BIBLE or CLEAR WORD DEVOTION?
and what does it matter of one uses clear word, KJV, NIV NRSV ASV, NASV?
---FRANCIS on 3/15/12


In translating the Bible the word lost, example the woman who lost her coin and the word death, example death in hell is the same word. This means that non-christians will be eternally lost in hell without end.
---Scott1 on 3/15/12


\\there is no such thing as claer word bible\\

Yes, there is.

In fact, it's a paraphrase by an SDA minister. Didn't you know that?

\\I think we can all agree that the wages of sin is death by fire, and not life in fire
---francis on 3/14/12\\

Not if we believe the Bible.

\\\If that is SDA teaching, then you should be SDA because that i 100% bible:

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. \\

Only if you think "everlasting contempt" is the same as "being burnt alive to ashes".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/12


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Francis, you have been caught in another lie, in saying there is no such thing as Clear Word Bible.

The Clear Word Bible was written by a SDA, it is publisched by the SDA's, and it is sold in SDA book stores.
---Rob on 3/15/12


Romans 3:21-24 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it- the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Since we are justified by His grace as a GIFT, we need only accept that gift. However there are those who would believe we have to obey the law for our salvation and they use works as the criteria to judge the salvation of others.
---lee1538 on 3/15/12


Francis, do you use the Clear Word Bible?
---Rob on 3/14/12

there is no such thing as claer word bible

i use a kjv
---francis on 3/15/12


Let's make it even simpler.

Are LIFE and DEATH the same thing????


---jerry6593 on 3/15/12


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Cluny,

Your point is well taken.
---atheist on 3/14/12


Is the wages of sin "death" or "eternal life" as a spook in a torture pit? What does the Bible say?
---jerry6593 on 3/14/12
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

I think we can all agree that the wages of sin is death by fire, and not life in fire
---francis on 3/14/12


Francis, do you use the Clear Word Bible?
---Rob on 3/14/12


\\You just want to fight with Gordon again. Just accept Gordon for what he is,---very OCD about some bible verses regarding hell, and confused about some of them being in Dante's inferno.
---atheist on 3/14/12\\

You think GORDON is OCD? How about jerry and his fixation on evolution?

Glory o Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/12


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Of course, the SDA teaching is that God resurrects the wicked just to burn them up alive.
---Cluny on 3/14/12

If that is SDA teaching, then you should be SDA because that i 100% bible:

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

So we know thatthose who died and did not take part in the 1st resurrection will live again after 1000 years.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
---francis on 3/14/12


Unending life spent in hell IS death, jerry.

Of course, the SDA teaching is that God resurrects the wicked just to burn them up alive.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/12


Jerry,

You just want to fight with Gordon again. Just accept Gordon for what he is,---very OCD about some bible verses regarding hell, and confused about some of them being in Dante's inferno.
---atheist on 3/14/12


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