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Why do we need so many different versions of the Bible today? I can see a need for a modern version, but is not just one good enough really enough?

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MarkV, Your theology and judgment is off: for God does not destine people to stumble, he is the Light to the world, and his will is for people not to stumble nor to perish, but rather to walk righteously before him. Also, not all the lost are refusing to seek for God: for many lost people look for salvation and help from God. The Word from God says, "Seek, and you all will find: for every one that seeks finds. And you all will seek me and find, when you all will search for me with all your heart." And as I posted to you before, I do not condemn you, but you condemn yourself for embracing false doctrine. My God is not evil and causes people to stumble: and by you professing that he does, you condemn yourself.
---Eloy on 3/22/12


Cluny, YouM instruct me? silly man.
---Eloy on 3/22/12


Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. I have certain standards for my own use of language, but I don't demand that others adhere to them.
---Pat.pat on 3/22/12


trish, there are plenty of baptist because I am one of them. There are many different kinds too but I am only 1 kind...born again, bought by the Blood of Jesus.
---shira4368 on 3/22/12


This blog is just another one of satans attempts to attack the Word of God. I have studied this subject and I am a King James onlyist. Someone may have found a misprint in any book but please don't attack the King James bible. I know how it came to be and I also know how satan wants to destroy it.
---shira4358 on 3/22/12




Eloy: There were no such things as Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Presbyterians, or Assembly of Gods in the Bible either. That does not mean they don't exist now.

Your lack of logic is amazing.
---Trish on 3/22/12


\\There is no official agency or academy deciding on what 'standard' English should be.\\

Et cetera means "and so on."

"And et cetera" would thus mean, "and and so on."

Hence it is a solecism.

Besides, there are dictionaries that give the proper meaning of words, though Eloy says he doesn't go by sinful people's use of Standard English.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/12


trish, nope, no such thing, not from Genesis through to Revelation.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


All Christians are cafeteria Christians. You have to pick and choose, or else you would have to believe all the contradictory things the bible presents.
---Pat.pat on 3/21/12


Solecisms are in the eye of the beholder. There is no official agency or academy deciding on what 'standard' English should be. It is a completely subjective call on the part of the pedant.
---Pat.pat on 3/21/12




to be honest, we all pick and choose to some degree. we are limited by our own thought processes. that is why we need a savior.
---aka on 3/22/12


All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version

The first 1611 KJV translations said
"Thou shall convent thy neighbor's wife." A 1611 KJV Bible was recently discovered due to the misspelling and left out words.
---Scott1 on 3/22/12


Eloy, while lost, I never reached out to God. The lost do not seek God? You condemn me and you don't have the heart to perceive the Truth.

"For I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, as it is written: None is righteous, no, not one, no one understands, no one seeks for God" (Rom. 3:9-12).
You should know that the lost stumble because they were destine to stumble.
"..for they stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the wonderful deeds of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light" (1 Peter 2:8,9).
---Mark_V. on 3/22/12


Blogger9680, A-men. God's salvation is for all whom want it, but there is a requirement, its called, Repentance. If a person wants to be saved then they have to repent from sin, because God is a holy God and he will not accept sin. It is like those fancy restaurants, If you don't wear a tie then you don't get in. So if you don't trim yourself with the oil of the Holy Ghost, then you can't have supper with the King. Please Read- Mt.22:9-14+ 25:1-13.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


Eloy: Your ignorance amazes me. There is such a thing as a 'Cafeteria Christian," and you are an excellent example of one.

Cafeteria Christians are supposed believers WHO pick and choose what they will believe from the Bible. Like people in a cafeteria pick and choose from the food that is offered, you pick and choose which Scriptures you are going to believe and reject the ones that you disagree with.

Also, notice that I did not use the word 'WHOM,' which you misuse constantly.

Oh, and don't bother quoting what Christ supposedly tells you to tell me. I will continue to address you as long as you post lies.
---Trish on 3/21/12


Eloy:

I am not shocked that Christians can sin. You see this every day, and the Bible says so (John tells us what to do when we sin).

What shocks me is that you would admit this, because you have constantly been saying on these blogs that once Christians are born again, they are incapable of sinning anymore.

What made you change your stance?
---StrongAxe on 3/21/12


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MarkV, so you are saying when you were in the worse place in your life, that you did not reach out to God? I don't believe you. For if you never reached out to God, then you have no God.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


There's no such thing as a cafeteria Christian, please stay with the Bible, for "cafeteria" and "christian" have nothing in common.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. (MarkV)

Mark, what do you do with scripture that declares God has made himself known to everyone?

Romans 1:18

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, BECAUSE that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse
---Blogger9680 on 3/21/12


//Eloy, why do you say,

He must disregard all the passages in the Bible about backsliding and falling from grace and drawing back to perdition and staying in Christ and perseverance and stand therefore and fight the good fight and et cetera.."
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Eloy is really a cafeteria type of Christian as he picks and chooses what will be on his plate from a theological standpoint.

Those that truly love God's word will accept it for what it is in its entirety, the truth of God.

Hopefully the day will come when God's Spirit will unplug his ears and open his eyes to his own ugly sinfulness.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---lee1538 on 3/21/12


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Eloy, when God changes the heart of a person, by giving him a new heart, that person comes alive together with Christ. And when he does, he cannot help but embrass the Lord with all of his heart. When I was in the worse place I had ever been, He reached out to me, changed my heart and gave me the faith to believe. The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. Nor is God known by the intellect. God is Spirit and therefore can only be known spiritually. But fallen man is not spiritual, he is carnal. He is dead to all that is spiritual. Unless he is born again, supernaturally brought from death unto life, miraculously translated out of darkness into the light, he cannot even see the things of God ( Jhon 3:3).
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


There is the HOLY BIBLE, which is GOD'S WORD!

Then there is the New World Translation which belongs to JW's, The Book of Mormon which belongs to the Mormons, the Clear Word Bible which belongs to SDA's, the Breakthrough Bible which belongs to Rod Parsley, the Drake Bible which belongs to Benny Hinn, etc, etc.

Who's WORD do you believe?
---Rob on 3/21/12


Strongax, Rather than be shocked at the truth, just accept the truth. The issue is FREE WILL, the issue is NOT whether a person sins or does not sin. MarkV says people have no free will to be saved, and he maintains OSAS, Once saved always saved: but this is Not Biblical, for people indeed are endowed with free will or freedom of choice to choose either to stay with Christ, or else to leave Christ. And Scripture details the truth of backsliding, and of falling from grace, and of people leaving the faith in order to serve sin, and also of people whom are hypocrits whom "say" they walk in fellowship with Christ but instead they are walking with darkness. This truth should not be shocking to you brother.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


MarkV, as Jack has said, you cannot cherry pick verses out of their context in order to support false doctrine. You say we have no free will, Christ says we do: you say we do nothing to be saved, Christ says we do: you say a believer is always saved and has no free will to leave salvation, Christ says we do. When Christ talks about eternal salvation, that is only for those sheep whom choose to remain his sheep and not those whom freely leave the fold in order to serve sin or some other false shepherd. Those whom beat Christ and nailed him on the cross and blasphemed him and cursed him and spit on his face, they are not saved neither do they sit at our heavenly table, for their lot is the lake of fire and damnation.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


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My mom, who is going through a lot right now, has said she would read The Message, it may be a loose translation but I'd rather see her reading it than nothing, right? I enjoy The Message myself.
---Mary on 3/21/12


Eloy, why do you say,

" He must disregard all the passages in the Bible about "backsliding" and "falling from grace" and "drawing back to perdition" and "staying in Christ" and "perseverance" and "stand therefore" and "fight the good fight" and et cetera.."

I've read all of them. All believers presevere, they all overcome. All believers were bought. None is lost. Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never parish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" You say that's a lie. That Jesus is wrong and you are right. But your wrong, His right.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


\\and et cetera and et cetera.\\

Another solecism youm have made, Eloy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/12


I knew from the start who took me out of the gutter. If He hadn't I would still be there. Not one thing I did saved me. I was dead in trespasses and sin. He made me alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


Mark,
What do you mean you did nothing? Did God just touch you on your shoulder and said 'you are now born-again or did you 'have' to believed and be baptist' as Jesus said in Mk 16:16.
---Ruben on 3/21/12


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MarkV, If you did not turn to Christ and repent from your sin, then indeed you still are in the gutter. And, if you are no longer in the gutter and are claiming that Christ pulled you out of the gutter, then you must have obeyed him and followed his commandment to repent and ask him for forgiveness and salvation, else you would still be in the gutter of disobedioence: because God does not honor nor accept evil people, but instead he commands them to repent in order to have his grace, else he will whip you out of his temple and cast you out of his garden and out of his presence and love you no more. Therefore either you did repentance to the Savior, or else you did not repent from sin and therefore are still in the gutter, but it cannot be both.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


Eloy:

I found your last comment surprising. You keep insisting over and over again that Christians cannot sin - which would mean that they are incapable of backsliding - yet now you say that passages about backsliding and falling from grace cannot be overlooked.

So which is it? Can Christians mess up, or can't they?
---StrongAxe on 3/21/12


JackB, A-men. People like MarkV need to let the Bible's words read into them, rather than they read their own thoughts into the Bible. He must disregard all the passages in the Bible about "backsliding" and "falling from grace" and "drawing back to perdition" and "staying in Christ" and "perseverance" and "stand therefore" and "fight the good fight" and et cetera and et cetera.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


Jack B, It is impossible to win a battle against the Word of God. By taking the time to read who God is, every verse where God speaks, and those the writer speaks about God, you would know Him. Then read the passages that speak about fallen men, you have no choice but to pick what God says. That's called "God centered" theology. Beginning with God first, "In the beginning" and you will be able to see what God does for fallen men. Not what fallen men does for God. The whole of Scripture makes sense. I knew from the start who took me out of the gutter. If He hadn't I would still be there. Not one thing I did saved me. I was dead in trespasses and sin. He made me alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


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Jack, God bless you. We would all be wiser and a lot happier if we followed your lead and left this place. All the best to you.
---Pat.pat on 3/20/12


Im not running. Ive just been convicted of spending too much time here arguing instead of being about the Fathers business and loving people the way Jesus did. He didnt spend all his time in the temples debating with the Pharisees. I would imagine that He is very disappointed at the amount of time we spend bickering amongst each other here. We are being carnal. Its time to move on. God bless you all.
---JackB on 3/20/12


Jack B, you did a good job of twisting the passages I gave you but that is ok, that is the practice of so many who don't want God to be the originator of their salvation. I heard that before. About my son, don't worry about him, he is in God's hands. I turned him over to God. What better hands to be in. I have contol of only giving him the gospel Truth the rest is up to God. I will pray for your two daughters that they too will be born of God.
And you will continue to hear us speak on behalf of God, for He commanded us to do so. You might get mad, and many others too, but that is understandable since many don't like to hear the Truth. Many just run away.
---Mark_V. on 3/20/12


"Be honest with yourself. You lost your assurance right?"

Can Christ be lost? He is our assurance. I don't think He is going anywhere. For we are One body in Christ. You just don't believe it.

"... so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, "who will sustain you to the end," guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Chrst. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord" ( 1 Cor. 1:7-9).

You just don't believe it. All genuine Christians (the elect) are the (called out) the church, of Christ. He gives us every spiritual gift we need, and sustains us till the day of our Lord.
---Mark_V. on 3/20/12


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You guys are like broken records. Im done.

Be honest with yourself. You lost your assurance right? So then you turned to a doctrine that makes it IMPOSSIBLE for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do. As pleasant as that sounds, it is very dangerous.

Why do you think the Holy Spirit even bothered to write warning after warning after warning for us believers if there is no danger of us falling away from the faith? Think!

Sin is deceitful. You must repent of it. You cant cover it up by pulling 20 scriptures from amongst thousands to get your assurance back. There is more denying your version of the "truth" than there is supporting it. Please come back home before its too late.
---JackB on 3/19/12


Mark, I think you are running from the guilt of not properly teaching your son about Jesus Christ and not showing him Christ in your life. As a father of two girls 14 and 11, my heart aches for you. I also share the same guilt at times. I can imagine what you must feel.

Forgive yourself and change that by being a better example for him. Don't run to a doctrine that makes it Gods fault your son isn't a believer. It wont work. All that is doing is keeping him away from Christ permanently. After all Jesus probably didnt die for him right? Imagine what is going on in his mind.

Peace to both you and Christan. My days on these blogs are over. I wish you both and everyone else here well. I pray I see you all in his kingdom.
---JackB on 3/19/12


Doug, there are 238 omissions left out of the NIV, which are public on the web-
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---Eloy on 3/19/12


I dont refuse to believe it. I read it for exactly as it says!

But as many as received him....to THEM gave He the power to BECOME the sons of God.

Do you not become a son through birth? Its a spiritual rebirth that occurs when the Holy Spirit comes into us and that sir is AFTER you believe in Jesus Christ! I just showed you that in scripture many times. You are putting the cart before the horse.

The HOLY SPIRIT is what renews us/makes us "born again". He is the LIFE OF CHRIST within us that gives us eternal life. (Titus 3:5)

When God says He desires all men to be saved and come to the truth, why do you not believe it? (1 Tim 2:4)
---JackB on 3/19/12


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Jack B, you said a lot and what you said doesn't change a thing. Of course the indwelling of the Spirit is given to all who believe. Only they will get it. What does the indwelling of the Spirit have to do with been born of God? Only those who are born of the God, believe and receive Him.

"But as many as receive Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, (now who are they that believe in Him and received Him?) "Who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13)

Why do you refuse the Word of God?
---Mark_V. on 3/19/12


I hear a lot of people talking about the 1611 KJV Bible. I have an original text 1611 King James bible and you can't understand it! The King James Bible so many carry today is actually a 1760 version (the 4th revision) which updated the english so we can read it today. I personally like the 2011 NIV bible - it is so clear that I have learned stuff that is in my KJV but I never noticed them until I got a newer version. For me at least, God used the 2011 NIV to make the Word come alive. I read the Bible more now as well. I have had folks from the King James only crowd tell me stuff that is wrong with the NIV, but when I open my NIV and show them that they are wrong they usually admit "well, that's just what I heard..."
---Doug on 3/19/12


MarkV, if you were trying to disprove what I said, you failed miserably. Even if I showed you the child you would not believe. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.
---blogger8980 on 3/19/12


Such a God as ours cannot be found out by searching.--MarkV

Oh really?
Verses saying God is found by seeking him with all your heart:

Jeremiah 29:13, Deut 4:29, Proverbs 8:17, Lamentations 3:25, Matt 6:44, 7:7,8, Psalm 119:2,10, Psalm 9:10, 1 Chron 6:11,

Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him, and he will shew them his covenant.

Maybe the problem is that you don't fear the Lord, but instead detest a god who would give us the power to choose.

Only a man (spoiled child I should say) who has made BAD choices will hate God for giving him the freedom to choose.
---JackB on 3/19/12


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O JackB, does "whoever" means anyone and everyone? Really? Does Scripture supports your understanding? That's what you specialize in, pluck one verse and it's your 'free-will' that rules.

Okay, how do you support your understanding of "whoever" when Jesus declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Isn't it clear then the "whoever" points to those whom the Father has drawn? Or are you still gung-ho about your 'free-will'?
---christan on 3/19/12


Matt 19:27-30, Christan.

Open your eyes, sir. Check THIS out! John 7:38,39

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him. (By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were LATER to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified)(also proven in John 20:21-23)

God grants the Holy Spirit to those who ask (Luke 11:13) with a repentant heart (Acts 2:38, 8:21,22) and that Spirit is received AFTER a man believes in Jesus Christ (Eph 1:13)(Acts 8:14-17)
---JackB on 3/19/12


" A humble child could receive in a twinkling of an eye what an adult studying for forty years can't. blogger8980 on 3/18/12"


A humble child cannot receive in a twinkling of an eye more than an adult in forty years. Show us that child? Just nonsense. No one can receive any revelation unless the Spirit gives him the revelation. Such a God as ours cannot be found out by searching. He can be known as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the Word. The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. God is Spirit and therefore can only be known spiritually.
---Mark_V. on 3/19/12


Saul (who became Paul) devoted his whole life to the study of the Scriptures. He learned at the feet of Gamaliel. And he still didn't recognize Jesus until he had a personal encounter and received his information by revelation. Until then he was a Jesus hater and a Christian persecuter. Afterwards, he was a Christ (head and body) lover. He would have never written 2/3 of the new testament with all his naturally received knowledge and wisdom. Jesus Himself said, "Search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life, but these are they which testify of Me." A humble child could receive in a twinkling of an eye what an adult studying for forty years can't.
---blogger8980 on 3/18/12


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//There are people who claim that they had knowledge of Biblical languages mystically infused into them, but their delusion is shown in how the mistranslate Greek, Hebrew, and sometimes can't even transliterate words properly.

AND there are those who have either taken one or two courses in the Biblical languages or worst yet, have done untutored studies and then proclaim themselves to be experts in Biblical translation.

And then agree there are those who upon having some mystical or supernatural type experience believe themselves endowed with all the truth found within God's Word.

In the final analysis believe themselves to be more knowledgeable than those who have dedicated their entire lives to the study of God's word.
---lee1538 on 3/18/12


\\With all of the many diverse kinds of Bibles on the market today, there still are people whom do not read the Bible, and yet they delusionally think they know what is contained in the Bible\\

There are also people who claim that they had knowledge of Biblical languages mystically infused into them, but their delusion is shown in how the mistranslate Greek, Hebrew, and sometimes can't even transliterate words properly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/12


JackB, obviously if you have to be "guided", you were definitely lost to begin with. "For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost." Matthew 18:11

Are you implying "following" and "free-will" is same? Try again. "Then He said to them, Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men. They immediately left their nets and followed Him." Matthew 4:19,20

Go try find in Scriptures that says "and the apostles by their own free-will followed Christ". What's presented above is known is "irresistible grace" - which if you were given to Christ by the Father, you will most definitely follow Him when the Spirit comes calling.
---christan on 3/18/12


With all of the many diverse kinds of Bibles on the market today, there still are people whom do not read the Bible, and yet they delusionally think they know what is contained in the Bible. But their ignorance is manifested in their unBiblical words that they say and in their unBiblical beliefs that they profess.
---Eloy on 3/18/12


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\\I have been translating for nearly 20 years\\

Youm don't even handle ENGLISH grammar and vocabulary correctly.

And I can tell from what youm do to Greek that youm don't know that language, either.

BTW--I've been translating for 40 years.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/12


Eloy:

You said: All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version are corrupt, and therefore unholy

Since it is unlikely that you are 400+ years old, so your own personal translations of the scriptures must necessarily have been made after 1611, does this mean that your own translations are also corrupt and unholy?
---StrongAxe on 3/18/12


"Most new Bibles that have been publish are products of editorial committees and all committees have agendas." Blogger9211"

"The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect. The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations." Psalm 33:10,11

"But He is in one mind, and who can turn Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth." Job 23:13

"There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD." Proverbs 21:30

Agendas? What agendas? No one can deny God His Truth!
---christan on 3/17/12


"He will guide you into ALL TRUTH"---Christan

Doesnt a guide still need to be followed?
---JackB on 3/17/12


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//I have been translating for nearly 20 years, and it is according to comparable study from copies of the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures putting them side-by-side with the English renditions- way off, way way way off they are, these English translations.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Sorry Eloy but there are dozens of translators that have far more credentials than you will ever have. Why should we believe you?
---lee1538 on 3/17/12


christan, I have been translating for nearly 20 years, and it is according to comparable study from copies of the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures putting them side-by-side with the English renditions- way off, way way way off they are, these English translations. And the issue today is, What will you do with this truth? Will you continue to knowingly use corrupted translations? or, Will you study to show yourself approved, and not be ashamed for having the confidence to know that you have the truth?
---Eloy on 3/17/12


\\Most new Bibles that have been publish are products of editorial committees and all committees have agendas.\\

And you think the KJV committee did NOT have an agenda?

\\\the only trust worth Greek source text ate the Nestle Alan's and United Bible Societies Greek texts [basically the same text but different critical apparatus] Textus Receptus just contains too many critical errors.\\

Did you know that the KJV NT is based on the Textus Receptus?

Of course, whether the Critical/Alexandrian Text or the TR is a more reliable Greek text for the NT is a debatable point.

The important thing is that with the exception of three passages, they are not that different.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/12


Most new Bibles that have been publish are products of editorial committees and all committees have agendas. To find out what the agendas are and who is on the study committee it is important to read the preface of that Bible version. Bible styles come in three general types Word for word translations, Thought packet translations, and more of a story form of the text [good for new Christians and English as a second language]. Most modern Old Testament Hebrew versions relatively error free. The New Testament is a different story, the only trust worth Greek source text ate the Nestle Alan's and United Bible Societies Greek texts [basically the same text but different critical apparatus] Textus Receptus just contains too many critical errors.
---Blogger9211 on 3/17/12


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And all the translations before that date are unreliable...
---atheist on 3/17/12


"The holy spirit only encourages one to study, have the proper text to read is strictly your responsibility." Blogger9211

"encourages"? Where did you get this from? Let's read what Jesus taught, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come." John 16:13

Jesus declared, "He will guide you into ALL TRUTH". Does this sound like "The holy spirit only encourages"? You must be of the 'free-will' persuasion.
---christan on 3/17/12


"All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version are corrupt, and therefore unholy." Eloy

According to who, you?

Can satan or his demons overcome God's Truth? NEVER! It's like saying darkness can overcome light. Jesus declared, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life." John6:63

Meaning, reading or hearing the Word of God without His Spirit, one will be in total darkness. "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." is your answer to understanding His Word, for they are Spirit!
---christan on 3/17/12


\\All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version are corrupt,\\

Why do youm say this, Eloy. Why are they corrupt?

And did you know that the commonly available versions of the KJV are the recensions of 1789 and 1904 (which are NOT the same as the ERV and ASV)?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/12


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//All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version are corrupt...

That would leave us with the Geneva Bible. But wait, that translation does not match the KJV, so either it is correct or the KJV is correct.

How can I determine which Bible is corrupt and which is not?
---lee1538 on 3/17/12


All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version are corrupt, and therefore unholy. Whenever I hear someone quoting from a new fandangled translation either in a church or on TV or on the radio, I turn them off or I leave, because it is sin, a blasphemous sin to say the Holy Scripture says whatever lies they are saying, when in fact that is bearing false witness for the Holy Scripture says no such thing whatsoever they are saying.
---Eloy on 3/17/12


Christan, what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
---LindaH on 3/16/12


2 Timothy 2: 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed keeping the message of truth on a on a straight course. [Translated from Greek Text USB4]

The holy spirit only encourages one to study, have the proper text to read is strictly your responsibility.
---Blogger9211 on 3/16/12


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All translations are the work of fallible sinful men, and will all have faults--and virtues.

One thing the Bible in any language and translation makes clear is that mere mortals have never done anything for God and gotten it 100% right.

For ordinary purposes I prefer the KJV and Orthodox Study Bible (a variant of the NKJV).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/12


It's truly amazing that not a word about the Holy Spirit guiding the Christian is spoken of so far. Everything is the man, man, man. The Word has already declared mankind are all "dead in sins and trespasses."

I'm sure you'll find this in all the different versions when Christ declared in John 15:5, "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: FOR WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING."

"John answered and said, A MAN CAN RECEIVE NOTHING, EXCEPT IT BE GIVEN HIM FROM HEAVEN." John 3:27
---christan on 3/16/12


And who is going to decide which is the correct one?
---atheist on 3/15/12

some people do that mostly with KJV but that usually becomes a god in itself.
---Scott1 on 3/16/12


Paul said he became "all things to all men". (in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23) So, I can see he spoke the language that people knew. So, if a Bible is in another tongue than what people speak, I am concerned about this. But there can be ones trying to be modern without understanding. So, I would say it can be good to have a Bible that is up-to-date but also not just trying to get away from earlier work. This way, I can read with people using older or newer Bibles, and not be too far from any of them.
---willie_c: on 3/16/12


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All translations whether it is a Bible or secular can only be translate two major ways. Word choice or by meaning. The ratio of these two major factors effect the translation. ASV, ESV, KJV are good word for word but can sometimes be confusing because the English words do not usually go together or hard to read. NLT and NIV are good sentence structure versions that can be easier to understand but sometimes lack the "punch" of an individual word choice.
What this means is for younger christians or for a relaxing time with Father I suggest NIV or NLT. For an indepth word study and such I would go to ASV or ESV. In all reality spending time and reading is the most important. Reference "Doctrine" by Mark Driscoll
---Scott1 on 3/16/12


All the versions can help. I even like the Cottonpatch bible.
---Pat.pat on 3/15/12


As long as languages are different and dialects continue to change over time, newer versions of the Bible will be needed to help those people understand the word of God better. If not you end up with what we have today which is some people trying to interpret the KJV with American english and coming away with some doctrines which are way off the mark.

As to which version is right... that is something that we'll just have to lean on the Lord for. It is up to Him to ensure that his word isnt tainted. He knows who He can trust with his word to translate it properly.
---Blogger9680 on 3/15/12


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