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Making Of The Universe

Is Genesis 1:16-19 talking about the making of the Universe or our solar system within the Milky Way galaxy?

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"...-Day 4-The Sun, Moon and all the stars in the entire universe..."
---micha9344 on 4/11/12


Micha: Heavenly bodies in & outside of our solar system are certainly an integral part of the Universe. I see our solar system kinda like a skin cell (full of human DNA) which is a living, functioning part of our ever growing/expanding human bodies?

You seem to believe G1:16-19 is talking about the making of the entire Universe, not just our solar system. Why?

Thx. :)
---Leon on 4/13/12


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
-Day 1-the creation of time(beginning), matter(earth), and the expanse of the entire universe(heaven).
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
-Day 4-The Sun, Moon and all the stars in the entire universe.
Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
-Even the Andromeda Galaxy which can be seen with the naked eye.
1Co 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
---micha9344 on 4/11/12


One more thing Sarah, to further clear things up for you since I ran out of space on my last post. :): Yes indeed, I have always had & still do have lots of questions, but I've learned ~ first & foremost ~ to "always" take my questions to the Lord in prayer. Oftentimes, I've had to leave them there until He graced me with a response. If you'll allow me to give you some advise, always seek God's counsel first by studying & meditating on His word!

Let me reinterate, CN blogs are in the fast lane & sometimes you're going to get inaccurate (dangerously wild) responses here. Be careful/prayerful baby Sis! If what's being said (sped by you) here doesn't line up with God's word, resist it! God bless!!!
---Leon on 4/6/12


"Leon, I am very sorry if I did not understand you. I thought you said, "I've always had many questions, that it was part of growing with Christ." so I thought you were seeking to know something to grow in Christ. You were not seeking to know something about God you did not understand, you had different intentions. The reason you did not like other peoples answers is because they differ then yours, that is why I was confuse and wanted to hear what everyone had to say. Sorry I asked."
---Sarah_M. on 4/6/12


No apology necessary Sarah. We, who are seeking Him, are yet growing in the Lord regardless of how long we've followed Him. Have a GOOD FRIDAY! :) Thank you Jesus for being hung up for our hang ups!!!
---Leon on 4/6/12


Leon, I am very sorry if I did not understand you. I thought you said, "I've always had many questions, that it was part of growing with Christ." so I thought you were seeking to know something to grow in Christ. You were not seeking to know something about God you did not understand, you had different intentions. The reason you did not like other peoples answers is because they differ then yours, that is why I was confuse and wanted to hear what everyone had to say. Sorry I asked.
---Sarah_M. on 4/6/12




"Leon,...if you have questions because you do not understand something, nothing wrong with that. But when people answer the questions you put out...you do not like their answers. If you didn't know something why do you oppose what they say? Wouldn't you listen since you don't know..."
---Sarah_M. on 4/4/12


Dear Sarah: I never post questions I haven't already researched in Scripture, meditated upon & reached a conclusion based on what the Bible says. What I'm usually looking for is 1.) confirmation based on what other Christians have been shown by God from Scripture & 2.) also, I want to see where others are at in their Christian walk or otherwise. My goal is simply to help others if I can.
---Leon on 4/6/12


Leon, I do believe you are sorry, but here is why I answered, if you have questions because you do not understand something, nothing wrong with that. But when people answer the questions you put out because you do not understand something, you do not like their answers. If you didn't know something why do you oppose what they say? Wouldn't you listen since you don't know, and the reason you ask? Think about it. I didn't know the question either so was waiting for others to answer so I could study what they said.
Love Sarah
---Sarah_M. on 4/4/12


"Leon: 'Bible...facts support themselves whether or not you believe them.' Agreed!

That is why when the Bible calls the moon a "lesser light to rule the night" & then goes on to announce that God ALSO made the stars, I can clearly see that STARS is a separate & distinct group from the MOON.

Sarah has a valid point that your assertion (even if valid [?]) is an inconsequential point. [I'm] more concerned about...CN contributors [who] believe in the Big Bang Theory of the universe. [?]"
---jerry6593 on 4/3/12


Yes, Bible facts are just that ~ FACTS regardless of ONE'S disbelief. God bless & keep you Jerry, & may His light not only shine upon but also in you. :)
---Leon on 4/3/12


Leon: "Bible recorded facts support themselves whether or not you believe them."

Agreed!

That is why when the Bible calls the moon a "lesser light to rule the night" and then goes on to announce that God ALSO made the stars, I can clearly see that STARS is a separate and distinct group from the MOON.

Sarah has a valid point that your assertion (even if valid) is an inconsequential point. I am more concerned about the CN contributors that believe in the Big Bang Theory of the universe.


---jerry6593 on 4/3/12


"Leon you must think you are funny to play games with God's word.[by] Introducing questions that bring confusion to those who are beginning, like me, in my walk with God..."
---Sarah_M. on 4/2/12


Sarah: I don't mean to confuse anyone & certainly not to offend God. I take full responsibility for my actions & apologize if my comments seem to be misleading. Saved since '74, I've always had lots of questions. That's part of growing in Christ. :)

CN bloggers are in many places of understanding. It's the fast lane! As a new Christian, it may not be the place for you just yet. May I suggest you view all "WE" say here thru the Bible lens & by the teaching of the Holy Spirit. God bless Sis! :)
---Leon on 4/2/12




Leon you must think you are funny to play games with God's word. Introducing questions that bring confusion to those who are beginning, like me, in my walk with God. It's not wise to play games with the word unless you are not saved.
---Sarah_M. on 4/2/12


"...[yada, yada, yada] I'm waiting to hear what you have to say, so I can learn from you, but all you say is what you find wrong with me. yada, yada, yada."
---Mark_V. on 3/31/12

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"Leon, another trick question? "Come on man" (Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" How could He be creating the heavens (solar system, Milky way, galaxy) in (Gen. 1:16-19)? Get a grip."
---Mark_V. on 3/31/12

True to form, once again you've missed the mark Mark! P.S. Mark V ~ that's a "LINCOLN", isn't it?
---Leon on 3/31/12


Leon, boy as you see me I need a lot of stuff watering, taking a pill, looking out side the box, now getting a bag, coming down to earth. And in all you remarks you have not given any answers. I'm waiting to hear what you have to say, so I can learn from you, but all you say is what you find wrong with me, and avoid scriptural answers, sort of what Eloy does when we ask him a question, he responds by codemning us, you are coming close.
---Mark_V. on 3/31/12


Earth to Speculation V! Come in, do you copy Capt Mark? All indicators show you're too spaced out to coherently participate in this conversation. So listen up & be advised. Immediately take the brown paper bag in your emergency kit & place it over your head. The treatment will cure your current reality disorientation. You should quickly begin feeling better, be able to focus & see everything a lot clearer. :) You must correct your course since you are adrift (missed the mark) by light years from the right heading. Should you miraculously manage to reconfigure your coordinates & reenter Earth's atmosphere, you should be able to intelligibly communicate with us. Good luck, God be with you, over n out from Earth Com!
---Leon on 3/31/12


Leon, you must have another piece of the word that is not found in Scripture. Is is more speculation? Lets see if I am right, heavens and the earth. Could God have forgotten a perticular planet are star as part of the heavens and later decided to include the Sun and the moon because He was going to use the lights of both the Sun and moon later? Lets see, "Then God made two great lights :" Was He talking about creating a Sun or a moon or making lights? Maybe you know. I cannot wait for that answer also.
---Mark_V. on 3/31/12


"Leon, another trick question? "Come on man" (Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" How could He be creating the heavens (solar system, Milky way, galaxy) in (Gen. 1:16-19)? Get a grip."
---Mark_V. on 3/31/12


True to form, once again you've missed the mark Mark!
---Leon on 3/31/12


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Leon, another trick question? "Come on man" (Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" How could He be creating the heavens (solar system, Milky way, galaxy) in (Gen. 1:16-19)? Get a grip.
---Mark_V. on 3/31/12


"Leon: What a stretch! Good luck trying to convince anyone that the moon is a star!"
---jerry6593 on 3/30/12


I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything Jerry. Bible recorded facts support themselves whether or not you believe them. It's all about reading & then comprehending (being enlightened by) what you've read in context to the subject matter.

"Apparently God did not make anything outside of our solar system.
And to assume that He did and that it is written in Genesis is blasphemy."
---micha9344 on 3/30/12


Apparently you don't understand the question Micha. Please re-read & re-think before jumping to conclusions.
---Leon on 3/30/12


Apparently God did not make anything outside of our solar system.
And to assume that He did and that it is written in Genesis is blasphemy.
---micha9344 on 3/30/12


Jerry, Technically you're right,but back in the day all little twinkling lights were stars, they didn't know the moon was a reflector,far as they knew the moon was it's own light.
Only after the "canopy" fell as the flood was the sun and moon revealed and called sun and moon, before that they were just lights shining through the watery canopy that surrounded the earth!
---1st_cliff on 3/30/12


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Leon: What a stretch! Good luck trying to convince anyone that the moon is a star!


---jerry6593 on 3/30/12


Jerry: I do appreciate your concern poor dear boy. :) To help you understand my position, consider this. In many (certainly not all) Bible translations of G1:16, between the words "night. He", there's a period (.). Periods are used at the end of declarative sentences like the ones in God's declaration of the Genesis creation account. Declarative sentences are a statement of fact, a condition or a possibility. When used as such, one sentence reiterates (repeats) & actually supports the other. So, when G1:16 "night. He" is read, it is saying the same thing by calling the greater & lesser lights "STARS".
---Leon on 3/29/12


Leon: You are just digging yourself in deeper. The Bible calls the moon "a lesser light to rule the night" - not a STAR. In fact, by then saying "He made the stars also", the Bible indicates that the moon was NOT a star! What on earth would make you think that it is?


---jerry6593 on 3/29/12


"Leon: Poor dear boy! The moon is not a star. It reflects light - it doesn't produce it."
---jerry6593 on 3/28/12


Jerry: That went way over your head, huh? It's okay! I really didn't expect you to comprehend (be enlightened by) what the Bible actually says in the matter. If you'd lived in antiquity, no doubt, you would've been a flat-earther & thought the Sun revolved around the Earth. :)
---Leon on 3/28/12


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"How big do you want your image of God to be. A tiny galaxy or a huge gigantic universe of thousands upon thousand of galaxies. I want my God to be God of the universe. All of creation yells, screams out the name of the Lord."
---Scott1 on 3/27/12


I simply want the Truth (Jn. 14:6) Scotty! There's nothing "tiny" about the planet (Earth) we live on, about the solar system we live in, about other solar systems in our galaxy, about our galaxy (The Milky Way), about other galaxies in the Universe, about the ever expanding Universe (one version of God's ongoing creation). Everything about Omnipotent, Omniscient, Ominpresent God is exceedingly greater than great, even beyond our wildest imaginings friend!!! :)
---Leon on 3/28/12


Leon: Poor dear boy! The moon is not a star. It reflects light - it doesn't produce it.


---jerry6593 on 3/28/12


"...Gen 1:16 uses the word "stars", plural. [There's] only one star (the sun) in our solar system... obvious conclusion...more stars than "just" the solar system were created. To guess how many more would only be a guess [speculation :)]."
---jerry6593 on 3/27/12


Scientist "speculate" we have only one star in our solar system, namely our Sun. Might they be wrong? G1:14-19 talks specifically about making plural lights to separation day & night on Earth. True, we can see multiple stars in our galaxy, but they don't separate day & night on planet Earth. So, what might these great lights/STARS be? I believe they're the Sun & Moon, i.e., stars "plural".
---Leon on 3/27/12


How big do you want your image of God to be. A tiny galaxy or a huge gigantic universe of thousands upon thousand of galaxies. I want my God to be God of the universe. All of creation yells, screams out the name of the Lord.
---Scott1 on 3/27/12


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Jerry,

All my goat herding friends are now goatless. Their goats were all stolen by you hip boot owning friends....
---atheist on 3/27/12


Leon, you can hash that out with Warwick. :)
---Pat.pat on 3/27/12


"Leon, the passage mentions the creation of stars. They also were created about 6000 years ago, yet they appear astronomically to have been created in some cases multiple millions of years ago, being so many lightyears away. Interesting how God did that, eh?"
---Pat.pat on 3/26/12


Yes, very interesting Pat! I understand God to be eternal "Creator". As such, there has never been an instance when He wasn't creating except when choosing to rest. I believe God was creating before Genesis & is yet creating. Yes, the stars mentioned in Genesis 1 were made "in our solar system" approximately 6K years ago. But, science indicates there are stars throughout the Universe that appear to be vastly older.
---Leon on 3/27/12


//It is talking about the universe that a bunch of goat herders would know about.
---atheist on 3/26/12 //

Do say hello to your goat-herding friends for us, won't you?



---jerry6593 on 3/27/12


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Leon: There may have been a point in your reply, but I couldn't find it.


"My question is does G1:16-19 talk about the making of the Universe OR "only" (just) our solar system?*"

Gen 1:16 uses the word "stars", plural. There is only one star (the sun) in our solar system, so the obvious conclusion is that more stars than "just" the solar system were created. To guess how many more would only be a guess.


---jerry6593 on 3/27/12


Leon, the passage mentions the creation of stars. They also were created about 6000 years ago, yet they appear astronomically to have been created in some cases multiple millions of years ago, being so many lightyears away. Interesting how God did that, eh?
---Pat.pat on 3/26/12


Before we get too far into this blog, the moderator's banner "Making Of The Universe" IS NOT my question. The misleading banner comes far short of the real question.

My question is does G1:16-19 talk about the making of the Universe OR "only" (just) our solar system?*

*Our solar system is one or many solar systems within the galaxy (heavens) known as the Milky Way ~ the Milky Way is just one of an unknown number of galaxies in the, ever expanding, Universe.
---Leon on 3/26/12


"...Were there other stars, worlds, etc. in space before Creation week? Probably, but where scripture is silent, we shouldn't speculate".

---jerry6593 on 3/26/12

SPECULATE is a greatly misused word on CN blogs. Some use it to say, "I dunno & don't wanna know". I hate the mind-numbing way "speculate" is used here! :)

What does "speculate" really mean in light of what Scripture says?
-- It means to "consider", to "meditate upon"* to exercise your God-given intellect (mind).

*1 Tim. 4:14-15 ~ Ro. 4:4-8

IMHO, scripture is only silent to people who don't listen & "think".


---Leon on 3/26/12


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It is talking about the universe that a bunch of goat herders would know about.
---atheist on 3/26/12


All we can infer from this passage is that the sun, moon and the stars were made on day four. Exo 20:11 confirms that heaven and earth were created within the six-day Creation. Were there other stars, worlds, etc. in space before Creation week? Probably, but where scripture is silent, we shouldn't speculate.


---jerry6593 on 3/26/12


Leon, that passage shows that the earth was created first and is stationary, and the sun and moon and stars were placed in the sky on the fourth day after the earth was created. The earth is stationary, you know. See Psalm 104.
---Pat.pat on 3/25/12


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