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Calvinists believe God could save everyone but doesn't want to. Arminians believe God would like to save everyone but can't. Which is correct?

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God saves anyone who hears the gospel and believes
1 Cor. 15:1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
---michael_e on 4/14/12


Sarah, there is no such thing in Scripture that man has a free will. It is said that it is written cover to cover, but you cannot find it cover to cover. Here is why, God knows the will of men is not free, he would be lying if He said they did. The will is either in bondage to sin, or in bondage to Christ concerning salvation. If it was free it would be free indeed from everything, and the person would not know what to do. It would be neutral. if there is no prior inclination, desire, or bent, no prior motivation or reason, completely free, how can a choice even be made? If the will is totally neutral (free) why would it choose? That is why God never said the will of men was free.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/12


ELENA on 4/13/12 Amen. bless you!
Im assuming you mean 1Tim 1:15-16. Vs 16:"However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life."
1 Tim:2:3-6"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time"
and
John 1:12
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name"
---chria9396 on 4/14/12


REVELATION 17:8 The beast thou sawest was,and is not: and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,when they behold the beast that was, and is not and yet is

REVELATION 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
---RICHARDC on 4/13/12


Thankyou!Moderator- It is my understanding see1Tim:15,16. -ChristJesus came into the world to save sinners..(v.16)..ChristJesus might display his unlimited patience as un example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.1.Tim.2:3,4,5,6. Explains--- clearly,God's plan for all men come to the knowledge of the truth,that JesusChrist gave himself as a ransom for all men.So,it is he came to save all men not a distinct group.This is ELENA. Thankyou,love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/13/12




Leon, I want to understand the truth and have trouble with what you say. If the people who are lost are separated from God, whom are called unbelievers, if they have a choice as you tell it, don't you think you saying something contrary to what Jesus said, when He said, no one can come to Him unless it has been granted to him by His Father? I too have trouble with what you say, because the will of the lost is never for God. Can you explain that contradiction?
Love sister Sarah,
---Sarah_M. on 4/13/12


Michael_e: Free-will is the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate ~ the ability to act at one's own discretion. I agree with you, it is the "God-given" human ability to cognitively CHOOSE. The ability of man to "freely choose" is a thread that runs from cover-to-cover throughout the Bible, regardless of what some bloggers may choose to believe.
---Leon on 4/13/12


Michael e, (Romans 10:14) is a wonderful passage that Kathr should read since she said she came to Christ without faith. "How then shall they call on Him whom they have not believed?" People here say all they have to do is call on the name of the Lord, but how can they if they do not believe? shear nonsense. and goes on to say,
"And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?" Another great quote. Faith comes from hearing the word of God. If the Spirit does not testify of Christ through the Word of God, they won't know what to believe in. They need the testimony of the Holy Spirit to testify of Christ to their hearts. Its all the work of God from beginning to end. Great passages.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/12


Mark. you said
//Their hearts were never changed by God or else they would have first believed the Truth and so chosen life.//
This passage is plain she heard first what Paul then God changed her heart.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
---michael_e on 4/10/12


Michael, I do not see anything different with Lydia's story. She already worshipped God. Like Cornelius, she believed in the God of Israel but had not become a full Proselyte (10:2). The Lord had to open her heart which is another proof that in order to be save and believe the Truth by faith, God has to sovereignly open a persons heart.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12




Mark. you said
//Their hearts were never changed by God or else they would have first believed the Truth and so chosen life.//
This passage she heard first then the change of heart.
Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, HEARD US:(then what?) whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
---michael_e on 4/9/12


Michael e, to choose does not mean a person has free will. It only means he has a choice. And what did they do? They decided to suppress the Truth. Because they chose what was more desirable for them. Their hearts were never changed by God or else they would have first believed the Truth and so chosen life.
Here is the reason they are guilty, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, "who suppress the truth in unrighteousness," because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them" (Romans 1:18,19).
---Mark_V. on 4/9/12


Mark, as usual you are wrong
with your blenderized doctrine.
Life and death is before you, you are not forced to choose either one.
Deut. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
---michael_e on 4/9/12


Michael e, you too are wrong that man has free will. You want them to but they don't. In fact without God giving them eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart that perceives the truth, he will remain lost. You gave (Deut. 30:19) to proof free will, and it is not mentioned anywhere. But go to the chapter before (Deut. 29:2-5)
(v.4) "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day"
How can the free will of man help him choose the Lord if God has not given them a heart to perceive, and eyes to see and ears to hear?
No amount of "free will" can make you see, hear or perceive the Gospel Truth.
So you and follower are wrong. Free will does not exist.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/12


Follower, you are absolutely correct.
//KJV 1 Tim 2:3-5 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.//

Deut. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Josh 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
---michael_e on 4/8/12


Follower, your are wrong, you said,
"If God doesn't want to save everyone than the mission of the Lord Jesus Christ and the NT are the work of fraud"
Christ came to save His own who were lost. That does not make Him a fraud?
Second, you say,
"If God would like to save everyone but can't then God has deceived all of mankind and it is Satan who has all power and God has none or what is given to him by Satan."
If God wanted to save everybody there would have been no curse. He does His will in the army of heaven and the inhabitants of the earth. Satan does not have all power, he is a created being, God has all power, that is why He is call God. What satan does is by permission.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/12


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Him we preach
---chria9396 on 4/8/12


If God doesn't want to save everyone than the mission of the Lord Jesus Christ and the NT are the work of fraud.

If God would like to save everyone but can't then God has deceived all of mankind and it is Satan who has all power and God has none or what is given to him by Satan.

Both views have no truth.

Scripture states is is Gods will all will be offered salvation once given knowledge of his saving truth. Not all who claim the Christian namesake have Gods truth now. KJV 1 Tim 2:3-5 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 4/6/12


Strongax, yes you can use simple html for font styling here. But it is rather limited though, for example, the form on this site does not read the semi-colon character which greatly restricts much html rendering.
- Eloy U
---Eloy on 4/3/12


Thanks Axe! :)
---Leon on 4/2/12


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Leon, my pleasure.
---Eloy on 4/2/12


Leon:

If you ever see something on a web page that does something interesting that you don't know how to do, you can see how it was done by using View Page Source in your browser.


Eloy:

I am surprised you can get away with putting less-than signs in text, since these usually introduce HTML tags.
---StrongAxe on 4/2/12


francis, you strip God of His deity, you say,

"God would like to save everyone but can't".

Where in Scripture does it say that God can't? If God can't do something, He is not God.
"But our God is in the heavens, He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased" (Psa. 115:3).
"You ought to say, "if the Lord will" (James 4:13, 15).
But you say He can't, because man won't let Him. Shear enmity against God.
The god you mentioned is the figment of your own amagination, of your own carnal mind.
"You openly declare that whatever power He possesses much be restricted by man's free will" And you cannot even find free will to back up your carnal believe.
---Mark_V. on 4/2/12


"All who ever lived and died without the Lord will be included in salvation in the future Kingdom of God..."
---Follower_of_Christ on
3/31/12

That's not exactly true Follower. All OT & NT "believers" (past, present & future) "BY FAITH" in the Word of God have the assurance of salvation in God's kingdom.
---Leon on 4/1/12


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Calvinists believe God could save everyone but doesn't want to. Arminians believe God would like to save everyone but can't. Which is correct?

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

ANSWER IN THIS CASE: Arminians

God would like to save everyone but can't. Because all will not repent
Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
---francis on 4/1/12


Follower, where do you come out with those ideas you mentioned? All will be saved?, even those who died rejecting Christ? If that is the case, why have missionaries? Why as you say,
" and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." What good would it do us if I going to be saved anyway?
In fact, why love Christ? He died for nothing, since everyone will be saved. In your case you can go kill a few people you dislike and rape all kinds of children and in the end you will be saved, is just nonsense.
I don't really know how you can believe such ideas but they are not Scriptural. You believe in what is called "Universal Salvation." A heretical view of salvation.

---Mark_V. on 3/31/12


KJV 1 Tim 2:3-5 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The Eternals will is to save everyone. Satan as god of this world today deceives the whole world with deception that Elohim has no mercy and will not save everyone and that he (Satan) is more powerful and his power prevents the Eternal from saving everyone. Satan who is the devil, father of lies, the serpent in the garden, seeking to destroy the truth of The Eternals salvation plan which has many phases.

All who ever lived and died without the Lord will be included in salvation in the future Kingdom of God.

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, 1 Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10, 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/31/12


Thx Eloy! :)
---Leon on 3/31/12


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Leon, You just tell the the system to display 50% on the left, and 50% on the right. Here is the code. Just replace these { and }, with these < and >

{div align="left"}{span style=font-size:14pt}{nobr}{marquee direction=left width=50%}{font color=blue}{b} <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ {/b}{/font}{/span}{/marquee}{marquee direction=right width=50%}{font color=blue}{b} ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~>{/b}{/font}{/span}{/span}{/marquee}{/nobr}{/div}{p style="margin-top:10%"}{div style="margin-left: 1%"}
---Eloy on 3/31/12


Thx Lee!!! :)
---Leon on 3/30/12


Leon - google freecodesource dat com if you want to see how to do the marquees.
---lee1538 on 3/30/12


Eloy: I'm familiar with marquees, but how did you get it to run in opposite directions at the same time. :)
---Leon on 3/30/12


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Leon, It is called a marquee, and you can use any font or symbol for it.
---Eloy on 3/29/12


Eloy:

I know exactly what "says the Lord" MEANS. I was wondering just where and when did the Lord ACTUALLY say those words? I can't find them in the Bible anywhere.

1) This vaguely resembles Matthew 5:13, but your version includes much that is not in the Greek.
2) This is not in the Bible. Is it a personal revelation?
3) This is an extrapolation of what God implied in several places (but didn't actually say).

It is very dangerous to say "the Lord says" about things he doesn't ACTUALLY say. This is technically blasphemy, so whenever there is the slightest doubt about whether the Lord actually said something, it is best to err on the side of caution.
---StrongAxe on 3/29/12


Eloy: Just curious. Is that opposing direction html a suggestive illustration of jackasses pulling against each other? :)
---Leon on 3/29/12


Eloy, what you wrote is not what Christ said. Again you twist the truth to a lie. You have gone back to your roots, the teachings of the RCC, Islam, Mormons, J. Witnesses, salvation by works.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/12


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strongax, God's words are none of the three interpretations that you posted, but rather "says the Lord", even a child understands. "says the Lord", is exactly what is written, God's words.
---Eloy on 3/29/12


strongax, here's another cool html:

<~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ <~ ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~>

---Eloy on 3/29/12


Eloy, you said,

"for God's commandment is "Work, do my works"

There is no commandment that says what you said. You made that one up.
If what you say is true, then you are going to hell for not forgiving your wife. And for condemning others who do not agree with your man made commandments. I give you the passage that Willie c just gave to show you are wrong,

"Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another, love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous, not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing" ( 1 Peter 3:8,9). In your case you inherit a curse.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/12


Eloy:

You just made a comment about do-nothings. You used the words "says the Lord" and also highlighted his supposed words in red, and in quotation marks.

This is either
1) an incredibly loose (and therefore inaccurate) paraphrase of Matthew 5:13
2) s personal revelation
3) a rephrasing of what you interpret God means, being rephrased as something God actually says

So which is it?
---StrongAxe on 3/28/12


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Peter says God "is not willing that anyone should perish but that all should come to repentance." (in 1 Peter 3:9) So, it is not correct to say there are people whom God does not want to save.

Also, God is able to save us "to the uttermost", we have in Hebrews 7:24. So, it is not correct to say there are people whom God is unable to save. And Jesus says, "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God," in Luke 18:27. So, not God, but humans are the ones who are not able.

Both those views, then, are incorrect, and I am not going to assume you have represented Calvinists or Arminians correctly. I can not guarantee your sources.
---willie_c: on 3/28/12


"The do nothings are of no profit to me, says the Lord: salt that loses its saltness, is to no thing worth more, no, but to be thrown out and be trampled by people." The "Do Nothings" are the "Get Nothings": for God's commandment is "Work, do my works", so when one refuses him and does nothing for God, then that one doesn't receive grace and salvation from the Lord, but instead will rightly receive wrath and damnation from the Lord.
---Eloy on 3/28/12


Ruben, A-men. That's right.
---Eloy on 3/28/12


Eloy:

Are you having fun with a newly-discovered HTML tag that lets you post sideways text? I see that you posted the same message in this blog three times, and once in another blog.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/12


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FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD! WORK! OR BE CONDEMNED!
---Eloy on 3/28/12


That's because "obeying" is having to work for salvation - which God never made such a promise.
---christan on 3/28/12

But God does expect us to do 'Your' part in his grace!

He says to enter eternal life one must keep the commandments (Mt. 19:16-17).

He separates the sheeps and goats based on deeds and those who get to heaven have good deeds and those that don't, don't get to heaven (Mt. 25:31-46)

He says that those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, go to the resurrection of judgment (Jn 5:28-29, Rev. 22:10-14

He says that we will be justified or condemned based on our very words. (Mt. 12:36-37)
---Ruben on 3/28/12


Scripture also declares that salvation is ONLY BY GRACE 100% and cannot be earned by the sinner, meaning, God does not reward the sinner with salvation for obeying Him. This is clearly taught by Paul,

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace,

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
Romans 4:4,16, 11:6

That is, if one says you have to obey God to be saved, that's no more grace. That's because "obeying" is having to work for salvation - which God never made such a promise.
---christan on 3/28/12


Eloy, To understand the work of Redemption, it's important to understand the correct view of the law of God under which man has transgressed, and the state which he, by rebellion, has fallen. God points out the duty of man, requiring man that which is right and just.
The curse under which sinners have fallen, cannot be removed nor the transgressor released until full satisfaction has been made to it. Such satisfaction the sinner himself is utterly unable to render. "By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight" (Rom. 3:20).
In order for the curse of the law to be removed from him who had incurred it anathema, it must fall upon another (Christ) who is made a curse in his stead.
---Mark_V. on 3/28/12


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It comes down to what Scriptures declares that matters. Example, Scripture is explicit about a sinner going to Jesus Christ, for He declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 - making it very clear that a sinner MUST FIRST BE DRAWN BY THE FATHER in order for him to go to Christ.

Did the sinner have to do anything? No, because Christ also declared in verse 65 of the same chapter "Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." - What's to be "given"? FAITH! Which is a "gift" from God. This is what Scripture declares, period.
---christan on 3/28/12


Yes Eloy we are to obey the Lord your God and to keep His commandments.

And what are His commandments?

Read 1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, AND love one another, as he gave us commandment.

And if we are concerned about the law, we fulfill the law simply by love of neighbor. Romans 13:9-10.
---lee1538 on 3/27/12


Eloy, just like you have the ability to do fancy words on the computer, you do the same with your fancy words about God's Word. Go ahead and try to earn you way into God's kingdom and see where it gets you. You are like the rich man in the parable. He too said he kept all the commandments, but he could not sell all he had, and you cannot even forgive your own wife. See if you can enter God's kingdom with your unforgiveness.
You still do not understand, no one can keep the whole law, not even you.
---Mark_V. on 3/28/12


Obey the Lord your God! Save_Your_Soul Keep the Commandments!
---Eloy on 3/27/12


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Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God."
And some still say, "If left to themselves not a one would be saved." Cornelius did just fine.
Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."
Amogst all things, I've seen honest men and good and kind hearts.

Matthew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."
Luke 6:36 "Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful."

Luke 18:13.
---Nana on 3/27/12


Obey the Lord your God! Save_your_soul Keep the Commandments!
---Eloy on 3/27/12


Obey the Lord your God! Save_your_soul Keep the Commandments!
---Eloy on 3/27/12


Craig, it seems there are already millions of people who are dead who didn't cooperate, most of my family included.
---Pat.pat on 3/27/12


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Eloy //Exactly right, God says, WORK!, but if you refuse, then you are cast out.

Yes, we can see you are a salvation by works type. However, you are right that if you obey ALL the law ALL the time, there will be no basis upon which to condemn you. You can indeed work your way to heaven.

The rest of us, must depend upon God's Spirit working within us to do His will, not on our own efforts depending upon the righteousness that is ours in Christ.

1 Cor. 1:30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.
---lee1538 on 3/27/12


Craig, it is true, none want to cooporate the reason He has to make them willing to cooperate. If left to themselves not a one would be saved.

In answer to the Question, there is no such thing as God can't. "for men this is impossible, but for God all things are possible."

God can save anyone He so desires to save, such a God sustains all, but is Himself independent of all. He gives to all, but is enriched by none. Such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the Word.
---Mark_V. on 3/27/12


lee, Exactly right, God says, WORK!, but if you refuse, then you are cast out. "But what think you all? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, Son, Go Work today in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented and went. And the man came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I, Lord: but went not. Which of the two did the will of the father? They say to him, The first. Jesus affirms that the repented go into the kingdom of God, and not the unrepented. Mt.21:28-32.
---Eloy on 3/27/12


Pat, who said everyone will not cooperate?
---CraigA on 3/27/12


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Mark, whatever happened to God being meek and lowly like He said He was? Hes obviously a King that is not too proud to become a servant to his own sinful subjects. Now THAT is a God of love and mercy and one that I want to model my life after. That is a God who deserves all of my praise.

As for those who take advantage of his gentleness....I wouldnt want to be in their shoes on judgment day.
---CraigA on 3/27/12


Mark v, you are responding to some other question. If you can't or won't answer this one as I've asked it, that's fine. No one is obligated.
---Pat.pat on 3/27/12


IT IS WRITTEN:

"6 Seek the LORD while he may be found, call...him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked [turn from] their ways & the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the LORD, & [he'll] have mercy on them...[he'll] freely pardon.
8 'For my thoughts [aren't] your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' [says] the LORD.
9 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways & my thoughts than your thoughts...
11 my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will [do] what I desire & achieve the purpose for which I sent it.'"
Is. 55:6-11

God alone is correct! "Choose" to believe His word & be saved!
---Leon on 3/27/12


neither. God calls those who will listen to him. it is up to us to follow him or not.God can do anything he wants to do, but he gave us freewill.Jesus came to save ALL mankind, but not ALL will listen.
---candice on 3/27/12


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First you have to receive Him. John 1:10-13. "To as many as rececived Him He gave the RIGHT to BECOME children of God." To receive Jesus we must believe and trust in His words.

To become children of God we have to go thru a learning process...we have to humble ourselves and become as little children forgetting all that we have been told and allowing the Holy Spirit to sanctify us in the truth.

"And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely". Rev. 22:17. Anyone who is willing to follow the Lamb wherever He goes can be saved.
---barb on 3/27/12


Eloy //God only saves the Doers, if you don't repent, then you will remain in sin and be condemned: no ifs, and no ands, and no buts: the soul must repent, or else the soul will go to hell.

That would clearly reduce our salvation down to works of righteousness which God says are only filthy rags. Salvation is wholly of God, it is not in our hands.

As to repenting of your sins. There are some on this forum that simply do not acknowledge that they are sinful. They believe Christians cannot sin (1 John 3:9 KJV). The same epistle in 1:8 also states that everyone has their sin and those that say otherwise really do not have the truth.
---lee1538 on 3/27/12


God only saves the Doers, if you don't repent, then you will remain in sin and be condemned: no ifs, and no ands, and no buts: the soul must repent, or else the soul will go to hell.
---Eloy on 3/27/12


More options.
God is creator-capable of everything and anything.

Death is conquered.
Repentance is required for re-mission

Jn 8:22-26
Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath, I am from above: ye are of this world, I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true, and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
---char on 3/27/12


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Pat-pat, if God cannot save people who are lost, He is not God. We might as well not have a God. God never tells men, "I will do what you tell Me to do." So call Christians, would strip Deity of His Omniscience if they could- proving that "the carnal mind is enmity against God" (Rom. 8:7). The wicked do as naturally hate this Divine perfection as much as they are naturally compelled to acknowledge it. The heathens outside of Christendom form gods out of wood an stone, "While the millions of Heathens inside Christendom manufacture a "god" out of their own carnal mind" They speak for their own sinful free will.
The miracle is that He saves any, for if He so willed, He could have saved none.
---Mark_V. on 3/27/12


Craig, if God can't save people without their cooperation, then He is absolutely unable to save everyone, because everyone will not cooperate.
---Pat.pat on 3/26/12


Atheist, I don't understand your question.
---Pat.pat on 3/26/12


God CAN save everyone and desires to but He requires us to have a desire to change from our sinful ways and call upon his Son for forgiveness and the power to change!

That is why even though Christ died for all, not everyone will inherit the kingdom of God

Some will deny the very Lord who bought them (2 Peter 2:1)
---CraigA on 3/26/12


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A long time ago a man asked the question, "What must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:30). First of all, God saves the following kind of people: "sinners" (Rom. 3:23), "ungodly" (Rom. 4:5), those "without strength" (Rom. 5:6), His "enemies" (Rom. 5:10).

If you don't think you are any of the above, you can't be saved. If you still think you're good enough, you cannot be saved. God does not save GOOD people, or people trying to earn their way to heaven. You must come to God God's way. (1Cor.15:1-4)
---michael_e on 3/26/12


God's word says: "I have set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing: therfefore choose life, that both you and your children may live. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord Yhwh: not that that one should return from their ways, and live? For I have no pleasure in the death of one that dies, says the Lord Yhwh: wherefore turn, and live you all. The Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any rightly perish, but that all should come to repentance. For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be regretted of. And God commands all humans every where to righten." Dt.30:19+ Exk.18:23,32+ II Pt.3:9+ II Cor.7:10+ Acts 17:30.
---Eloy on 3/26/12


Save for what?
---atheist on 3/26/12


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