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Ever study the history of Adventism when they took the Bible and made all those wrong prophecies about the second coming of Christ and the end of the world? ---lee1538 on 4/7/12

That was William Miller. P S He was NOT a SDA because SDA had not yet started. The " millerites" later continued his stody of the sanctuary and discovered that there was a sanctuary in heaven in chich jesus served as high priest.
As a SDA i am thankful to Miller for his studies of the sanctuary

The history fo the world is that when Rome broke up, it broke in to TEN nation. I listed all for you check it out.Antiochus Epiphanes was absorded by Rome and did not have ten kings come out from his territory
---francis on 4/8/12


Lee: Francis has engaged you in a perfectly valid discussion of the historical significance of Daniel's 4th Beast Prophecy. He has shown some of the reasons why the 4th Beast cannot be Antiochus, but you do not respond with scholarly rebuttal, but rather with your standard "hate SDAs ... olde Ellen White ... blah, blah, blah" rant. Grow up, will you! Stick to the subject, or everyone will naturally assume that you're wrong and just trying to muddy the water to cover it up.


---jerry6593 on 4/8/12


francis//you seem to be neither a student of history or bible, thus you cannot understand prophecy
---
What I do understand is that those who claimed to know prophecy were more often wrong than they were right.

Ever study the history of Adventism when they took the Bible and made all those wrong prophecies about the second coming of Christ and the end of the world? Even olde Ellen continued to create prophecies that were way off the base of truth.

You problem is that you are too naive as you believe too much in the rantings of olde Ellen White.
---lee1538 on 4/7/12


Rome does not have 10 horns, nor will they ever have any power that would enable them to rule the world.
---lee1538 on 4/7/12

A horn, you remember, is a king. When the Roman empire collapsed, ten divisions resulted. Barbarian tribes hammered at the Roman empire for many years until it fell apart and the ten divisions were ruled by ten kings! The were: the Alemani (Germany), the Franks (France), Burgundians (Switzerland), the Suevi (Portugal), the Anglo-Saxons (Britain), the Visigoths (Spain), the Lombards (Italy), the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli

you seem to be neither a student of history or bible, thus you cannot understand prophecy
---francis on 4/7/12


Yes,the 4th beast - Antiochus Epiphanes ---lee1538 on 4/7/12

Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast,

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:

Antiochus Epiphanes did not have ten kingdome come after him, only Rome did

Daniel 7:23 shall devour the whole earth,
Antiochus Epiphanes served in a very very small part of the world and had no influence of other nations. Rome on the otherh and ruled the world and has incluence over the whole world. It if from the roman empire than christians all over the world reserve sunday as a special day

The roman empire and the ten nations that followed rulled the whole earth except for china
---francis on 4/7/12




Lee, I asked "who here has said we can be saved by observance of the 10 Commandments?" And you again ducked this too difficult (for you) question. You replied "Adventists...hold the belief that if you are a Christian you will observe the 10 commandments." But you have claimed Adventists believe they can be saved by works alone.

I have had a decades long association with Adventists who were well aware of my beliefs. Nonetheless I was invited to speak in numerous SDA churches,some many times, over a period of many years. Knowing my beliefs did not correspond with theirs in a few areas they still invited me to preach. Would I have been so invited if they considered I was really not a Christian as you claim?
---Warwick on 4/7/12


//Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings that shall arise:

These listed above are not true of Antiochus Epiphanies
They are only true of Rome
---
Rome does not have 10 horns, nor will they ever have any power that would enable them to rule the world.

Adventist eschatology is extremely hard to defend either from a scriptural, historical or logical standpoint. One has to either be stuck in the theology dungeons of Adventism, or hit in the head by a brick like what happened to olde Ellen White.
---lee1538 on 4/7/12


Yes,the 4th beast - Antiochus Epiphanes ---lee1538 on 4/7/12

Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast,

Daniel 7:20 ten horns that were in his head,

Daniel 7:23 shall devour the whole earth,

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings that shall arise:

These listed above are not true of Antiochus Epiphanes
They are only true of Rome
---francis on 4/7/12


//Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,..and he shall.. think to change times and laws:

Yes,the 4th beast - Antiochus Epiphanes did attempt to change the times of festivals, and holy days. He did thinking Greek culture was more superior to what the Jews had.

As to the future, the Sabbath will not be changed, as it is recognized by authorities as being part of the Jewish religion.

The problem is your mentors want you to believe Sunday has become the new Sabbath, that the Apostles and their immediate successors changed it, but in today's understanding the Bible does not require Christians to observe any day as holy. Romans 14:5-6.
---lee1538 on 4/7/12


Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,..and he shall.. think to change times and laws:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

WHO attempted change is Gods laws and times: Jesus, His disciples, his church, or the fourth beast(ROME)
---francis on 4/7/12




Look at history,.. Sabbath observance was no longer the norm by 135 AD.
---lee1538 on 4/6/12
YES LOOK AT HISTORY:

First was the kingdom of babylon: then came Medo-Persia: then came Greece, Then came the 4th beast (rome) Same as Daniel Chapter 2 and 7

Also in Daniel 7 and History is this prophecy:

Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,..he shall think to change times and laws:

This depature from the TIMES and LAWS of God is not from God, Jesus, his disciples or His church, it is a prophecy fulfiled of the work of the 4th beast


The beast: think to Change times and Laws
or
Jesus: Not one Jot of the law shall be removed

YOUR CHOICE
---francis on 4/7/12


kathr4453----And it is that Spirit that makes one want to obey the Gospel "for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure". Php. 2,13

---lee1538 on 4/6/12


Lee are you saying OBEY as in the Gospel AFTER we're saved, God working in us to will and to do...meaning our SANCTIFICATION,as Phil 2 is teaching

OR are you suggesting somewhere before obeying the Gopel (that Christ died for your sin and believing and receiving Him BY FAITH), you were ALREADY in Obedience as an ungodly sinner given the Spirit in your ungodly sinful state so that God could work in you obedience to receive Him by Faith?? Which Phil 2 is NOT TEACHING!
---kathr4453 on 4/7/12


Kathr, again you have it all backwards. You say,

"The Spirit is given to those who OBEY the Gospel."

I know why you say this, because you told us about yourself, that you came to Christ on your own free will, then you were given all things. But you are wrong, the Spirit is given so that you can first understand, believe, and then obey the Gospel truth.

"For what man knows the things of man except the spirit of man which is in him? "Even so no one knows the thing of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, "but the Spirit of God, "that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God" (1 Cor. 2:11,12).
---Mark_V. on 4/7/12


Leest:

No true Orthodox would teach contrary to the biblical truths taught by Jesus and the disciples. Heresies such as theistic evolution, license to sin, and a counterfeit Sabbath belie your appellation.

No true Presbyterian would deny the validity of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

You may be many things, but Orthodox Presbyterian is definitely NOT one of them!


---jerry6593 on 4/7/12


//Lee, would you have us believe circumcision is part of the 10 Commandments?

Why should we regard the 10 commandments as being more important than what else God has commanded us?

//BTW who here has said we can be saved by observance of the 10 Commandments?
---
Adventists in their Fundamental Beliefs (#19 The Law of God), hold the belief that if you are a Christian you will observe the 10 commandments. This implies that if you do not, say have communal worship on Sundays, you really are not a Christian.

While you may have had a friendly encounter with Adventists, you really have never studied their doctrine in any detail.
---lee1538 on 4/7/12


Lee, would you have us believe circumcision is part of the 10 Commandments?

BTW who here has said we can be saved by observance of the 10 Commandments?
---Warwick on 4/7/12


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Hello! Char,thankyou. I calm down,family you know ELENA love you you all know lot 'bout the biblejust don't take for granted ChristiaNet a real blessing! Thank God! many countries wud not allow any talk 'bout religion or much else! Let jesus be lifted up! a praise shall be in my mouth at all times... Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/6/12


Samuelbb7//you keep acting like the Four Gospels are not part of the New Testament.

The problem is interpretation. While Jesus was under the law, we read in Galatians we have been redeemed from the law.

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so we might receive adoption as sons.

So with the introduction of the New Covenant, is not what Jesus commanded under the Old Covenant binding on Christians under the New Covenant?

Do we still need to practice circumcision or did Jesus fulfill the law? Mt. 5:17

Was the law simply a temporary provision until we could be justified by faith? Galatians 3:24f
---lee1538 on 4/6/12


kathr4453//The Spirit is given to those who OBEY the Gospel.
---
And it is that Spirit that makes one want to obey the Gospel "for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure". Php. 2,13

Adventist OTOH discount the testimony of God's saints in that they have not fallen under any conviction to observe the Jewish Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 4/6/12


Lee you keep acting like the Four Gospels are not part of the New Testament. Sabbath observance is spoken of how to properly keep it by JESUS. Why would He do so if it was to be gone. Also all the Early churches and Protestant founders all taught the Ten Commandments apply to Christians.

You also forget that in 135 AD many kept both days and in fact Christians had to be forced to not keep Sabbath about 300 years latter when it was outlawed.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/6/12


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Mark, don't you read what you write?

//I'm not the only one who knows the Truth of the gospel. Many do. What gets all of you upset is when you are told the Truth,//
You say many know the truth, then you say what gets ALL of you upset.
Many know the truth, but when you try to tell the truth, we ALL get upset?? Doesn't make sense.
---michael_e on 4/6/12


francis //Neither the pharasees nor ellen white commanded the sabbath: GOD DID

AND God commanded circumcision of all males otherwise they would not be part of His covenant. But like the Jewish Sabbath, that is not part of the Covenant of His church.

Sorry religion peddler, all you need to do is to point to at least one command in the New Testament that says Christians must observe the Sabbath, but you cannot. All you can do is to show where Jewish converts to Christianity continued to observe the Sabbath.

Look at history, even SDA church historians believe Sabbath observance was no longer the norm by 135 AD. And that would tell us that the Apostles & their immediate successors did NOT teach it.
---lee1538 on 4/6/12


(1 Cor. 15:50). It's impossible for man in the flesh, without the Spirit to inherit the kingdom of God, that's why Jesus said a person had to be born again of the Spirit. For only God can bring spiritual life.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/12

Yes and scripture tells us we are born again by the WORD OF GOD. Not of corruptable seed but the incorruptable seed. THE SEED IS CHRIST and the WORD is Christ Jesus.

Yes we need to be Born Again, to be a NEW CREATURE IN Christ to inherit the Kingdom of God.

This is WHY we are told we must be Born Again.

Place your faith in Jesus Christ and YOU WILL BE BORN AGAIN.

The Spirit is given to those who OBEY the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/12


Neither the pharasees nor ellen white commanded the sabbath: GOD DID...And pharasees like Paul, and nicodimus kept the sabbath and commanded it to christians
---francis

i have no problem with sabbath (fri sundown to sat sundown), but in one sentence you said that only God not the pharisees commanded it. then, in the next sentence, you say that the pharisees, like paul and nicodemus, commanded it.

i will add to your assertion that only God commanded it, that ONLY God will judge it. it is in his determination and not our opinion of service during sabbath like the pharisees.

(btw-i never read a story about Jesus in the pharisees holding hands by the fire singing kumbaya. saul was a practicing pharisee, and paul was not.)
---aka on 4/6/12


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//---ELENA on 4/6/12//---Amen.

Now this I say, brethren, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Cor. 15:50).

It is God who knows the heart that diligently seeks him.

A man can deceive himself or listen to the lie of the adversary convincing him he knows the heart of another, and in turn that man places himself in the Judgment set- as the judge and false accurser.

False witness-corruption-repentance is required.
---char on 4/6/12


They say that it is one thing to tell an occasional lie, but yet another thing to live a lie.

And that is what you get for following olde Ellen White - the sabbath and the law much like the Pharisees had.
---lee1538 on 4/5/12

Another lie huh.
When did God say itis Ok to tell an occasional lie?

besides I do not see occasional lies with you, it is constant lies

Let me tell you about the sabbath, ellen white and the pharasees.

Neither the pharasees nor ellen white commanded the sabbath: GOD DID

And pharasees like Paul, and nicodimus kept the sabbath and commanded it to christians
---francis on 4/6/12


Hello,Family..please you are all my family & I want you to be loving 'n happy! I don't understand all the stuff just maybe too much Chemo' but,I love all you brothers & sisters.please don't get mad no more.My birth family they argue religion & politics. I was the peace maker & they all went away! I just know I am getting upset 'n scared.. we need each other. Ok? I love ChristiaNet! I love all of you!
---ELENA on 4/6/12


Hello,Family..please you are all my family & I want you to be loving 'n happy! I don't understand all the stuff just maybe too much Chemo' but,I love all you brothers & sisters.please don't get mad no more.My birth family they argue religion & politics. I was the peace maker & they all went away! I just know I am getting upset 'n scared.. we need each other. Ok? I love ChristiaNet! I love all of you!
---ELENA on 4/6/12


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Ok Family! Now read this :) Col.3:12.Rules for holy living.Col.3:2,3,4a.col.3:8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these:anger,malice,rage,slander,....v.12.Therefore as God's chosen people clothe yourselves with compassion,kindness,humility,gentleness,patience.Bear with one anotherand forgive grievences you have against one another. ...All these virtues put on love...
---ELENA on 4/6/12


Michael e, I'm not the only one who knows the Truth of the gospel. Many do. What gets all of you upset is when you are told the Truth, that it was God who originated the love of Christ in your heart. That really gets suppose Christians saved by God, to oppose the very One who saved them. Why? because they don't want God to impose His right on their rights. They still have enmity (hostility) against God.
"Now this I say, brethren, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Cor. 15:50). It's impossible for man in the flesh, without the Spirit to inherit the kingdom of God, that's why Jesus said a person had to be born again of the Spirit. For only God can bring spiritual life.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/12


A cult does not acknowledge that people even Christians sin.

Some believe that they must rid their souls of sins committed in past lifetimes.
---lee1538 on 4/5/12


francis//We both know that you are telling lies.
What does it say about your relationship with God if yu keep telling lies?
---
They say that it is one thing to tell an occasional lie, but yet another thing to live a lie.

And that is what you get for following olde Ellen White - the sabbath and the law much like the Pharisees had.
---lee1538 on 4/5/12


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lee1538 on 4/5/12

We both know that you are telling lies.
What does it say about your relationship with God if yu keep telling lies?
---francis on 4/5/12


Duet 5:11-20
Declaring a testimony of deception in your friend/brother/neighbor is representing the character of God in a false manner.

If a man declares a false witness- [testimony/representation of deception] not only is it disliked
It is--- Sin.
The man needs to repent-not only is he Not helping others, he is Condemning---himself.
It is Sin that is hated.

1Jn 5 (all) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

If the True Word of God is spoken/written/declared---God [Himself] will testify of His Word.
The Word of Yah saves us. He is the Living Torah of Yah-Aleph/Tav-beginning/end- One/unity.
Is43:11,Jn8:18,Is45:23
---char on 4/5/12


A cult, primarily, draws people AWAY from the ONE and True GOD.
---Gordon on 4/5/12


Mark, you have an odd way of showing love with your name calling.
As for praying for me, I need the prayer and you need the practice,

//If you dislike me for bringing the Truth to you, I cannot help that.//
I don't dislike you, but I question you being the only one who knows the truth.
---michael_e on 4/5/12


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francis //All we need to know if they are of God IS this:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Agree but Adventists do not seem to want to acknowledge that Galatians is also part of God's word as they pitch the OT law and not that of the righteous living by faith (3:11), and neglect being made perfect by God's Spirit (3:3), and Adventists are really from the covenant made at Mt. Sinai being the children of Hagar (4:24), ETC.

Now you know why most Christians are not Adventists as they really shun the light.
---lee1538 on 4/5/12


--the RCC believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. And believe that the Son was and is Eternal and so did Calvin. You believe the Son became a Son at birth.--MarkV

Ive never seen anything written in scripture that requires us to believe that Jesus is the "eternal Son". Scripture makes it quite clear that He IS God in the flesh, the Word of God, the Son of God and that He IS the Christ. Those things we must believe. Scripture never declare WHEN He became the son.

If a son is an heir, just what would the Father need an eternal heir for? Will the Father die one day and Jesus take over?

Wouldn't it make more sense to see Jesus as the "heir" over Earth since He has purchased us with his blood?
---CraigA on 4/5/12


Apparently you really do not know much of what other denominations hold to be true doctrine. ---lee1538 on 4/4/12

A christian does not have to know every single detail of every other denominations teaching.

All we need to know if they are of God IS this:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 4/5/12


MarkV, slow to hear and understand.

I BELIEVE in teh beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with God and the WORD was God, and the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, as the ONLY begotten of the Father.

So now markv, tell us ALL, what part of that truth of scripture do you not believe?

Your the one who does not believe scripture. You keep saying anyone who believes John 1 is in a cult, and does not believe in the Deity of Christ.


MarkV, YOU are in a cult if you deny John 1. You deny WHO Jesus Christ really is.

THE WORD MADE FLESH.

Thank you for the opportunity AGAIN to show us all how you attack Bible Believing Born Again Christians.

Your lies and attacks don't hurt me.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/12


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Kathr 2: ----But under the New ministry the Holy Spirit, He is said to be in the believer empowering them to do their ministry for the Lord. He is not really inside since He is Spirit. Jesus Christ is also said to be in the believer, but He is in a relationship, for He is at the right hand of the Father.. Born of the Spirit is not the same as indwelling. Born of the Spirit is when God through the Holy Spirit brings a person from a state of death to Christ to a state of spiritual life to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/1/11

BEWARE of MarkV's interpretation of Born Again too. He clearly believes it it NOT the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit or the indwelling of Christ in you.

Talk about a CULT!
---kathr4453 on 4/5/12


And of coarse we have MarkV telling everyone that UNLESS you BEG for mercy AFTER you are saved, you are again not really saved.

MarkV, has some very peculiar ideas of our salvation and places great rules and regulations on one's faith of what to and what not to believe. Unless you do and believe as he has, having the same RCC mandate he denies he has then he plays God and tells you you are not saved.

MarkV I was GIVEN "a GIFT," the sure mercies of David at the time I was saved. I didn't have to WORK for it or try to earn it. It was a GIFT.

Shall we go on ?????? You really wanna do this?
---kathr4453 on 4/5/12


Michael e, because I tell Kathr she is speaking from a cult point of view does not mean I hate her. I do love her and pray for her, even you. I don't wake up thinking of her as I do my wife, but wake up with the hope she will change, and that she will speak the Truth of God, and not her own accusations everyday. If I don't tell her that what she preaches is another Jesus, I am not helping her. If she changes, as the Bible calls "repents" I have helped someone with the Truth. If not, I did what is required of me. This is for the glory of God. If you dislike me for bringing the Truth to you, I cannot help that. I knew I would not be liked if I spoke the Truth of who God is. Who wants to hear that all their lives they were wrong? No one.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/12


Mark, you said
//Aka, you observation of me is very wrong. I don't know how many times I have said I love all of you. Every day I pray for all of you.//
Then you said,
//Kathr, all we have to do is listen to what you say and know your teaching are from a cult. You follow another Christ, not the One from Scripture.//
Love and Hate coming from the same mouth?
---michael_e on 4/4/12


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Jerky6593//You may be many things, but Orthodox Presbyterian is definitely NOT one of them!

Apparently you really do not know much of what other denominations hold to be true doctrine. And we may suspect that is because all you ever hear from the pulpit in an Adventist church is how terrible Roman Catholics are, how they changed the Jewish Sabbath to sunday, and how evil those denominations are that came out of the Reformation.

You really are not one that will study on his own or ask questions but a mere follower of what your denomination teaches - stuck under the smelly skirts of olde Ellen White.

1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
---lee1538 on 4/4/12


Kathr, all we have to do is listen to what you say and know your teaching are from a cult. at least the RCC believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. And believe that the Son was and is Eternal and so did Calvin. You believe the Son became a Son at birth. That He was not the eternal Son of God. You speak as the cults like the Mormons and Jehovah witnesses. You follow another Christ, not the One from Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/12


Thank you ELENA. Funny how markv is all talk, actually wants us to believe calvin's hateful heart was from quoting scripture, YET markv never shows us where calvin quoted any scripture.

But the difference is, those who believe themselves to be better than anyone else seem to think such hateful remarks are ok.

If God wants to hate, that's His business. He told me I'm to LOVE, even the lost, and to walk in the Spirit where LOVE Joy peace, longsuffering is manifest etc.

MarkV's flavor or christianity had been around since Cain! Seems as if MarkV loves holding his own inquisitions here on line too. I'm so underwhelmed and unimpressed with ???? Christ in him.

God bless you too!
---kathr4453 on 4/4/12


You know, just a tweak here and there with Calvins words could be the words of Hitler, KKK, RCC and more we all know too well or any group(cult)who believes they are superior to others, inciting VIOLENT behavior. "We don't want THEM in our schools, neighborhoods, towns, and on and on."

SINCE when are Christians still part of this world system? You see, I'm no longer a part of this world, crucified to this world and the world to me.

The world is now our missionary field, not our elite, exclusive property.

Cults are so easy to spot. Their leaders preach hate, brainwashing their little lost flock how much more superior they are then anyone else.

Thanks for showing your hand leej!
---kathr4453 on 4/4/12


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Leest: "nothing wrong with the Orthodox Presbyterian"

Oh really! No true Orthodox would teach contrary to the biblical truths taught by Jesus and the disciples. Heresies such as theistic evolution, license to sin, and a counterfeit Sabbath belie your appellation.

No true Presbyterian would deny the validity of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

You may be many things, but Orthodox Presbyterian is definitely NOT one of them!


---jerry6593 on 4/4/12


Kathr, you are only talk. All dumb remarks. And no passage of Scripture to support or indicate where he was wrong concerning the Word of God. All the words of a mad woman, always ranting and raving. I bet you have never read one book that Calvin wrote. You dare to compare youself with Calvin. Three weeks ago I begin reading "Calvin's Christology" one of his books for the first time since you talk so much about him, and His words came from Scripture defending the Faith. And you only speak garbage defending your own words. You who came to Christ with no faith. Expecting to get it all for doing your good duty. Who believe that the Son of God became a Son when He was incarnated. If anyone speaks garbage, it is you.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/12


Hello,family! For kath4453 certainly,agree with you post 4/3/12definitely,a cult can be church's long standing,many have this attitude "we right"everybody else wrong. God bless you sister.Love of jesus!
---ELENA on 4/4/12


I guess calvin or augustine never read about one's words being seasoned with salt and filled with grace. Out of teh heart...Right! It does appear some of his followers online here using the same horrible language and hate speach to others. Like father like son.

No such thing as a calvinist showing any humility towards those God didn't pick out to love and save.

Reminds me of a calvinist message I heard back in 1983 that those dying of thurst in africa's drought DESERVED to die, since they weren't the elect.

I dont attend any church or run with any poeople who show so much hatred towards others.
Hate is passed down and taught! Here is the proof!
---kathr4453 on 4/3/12


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Lee, Francis used 1 John 2:3,4 to illustrate what Scripture says about how Christians should live. However you dishonestly made out he was saying that nonChristians can be saved by obedience to law.

You have a habit of misusing Scripture to beat people. And a habit of ignoring what Scripture says when it contradicts your your pet man-centered theories.
---Warwick on 4/3/12


//To be blunt, it would be better that these wicked and filthy scoundrels were cut off from the Church of God, rather than coming to mingle with the company of the faithful.

Surprising that Calvin made such a remark as nearly all that he believed in was also held by St. Augustine who complained about the mixture of believers, unbelievers, fornicators and other despicables that came to church every Lord's day.

So I guess there is some hope for kathryn after all!
---lee1538 on 4/3/12


1 John 2:1-2 My little children (can only be addressed to Christians), these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thank you very much for what you say I can only agree with. Christians do sin but as they walk more and more with the Lord, they sin less and less.

Who knows they may also come to understand that the Lord created the earth and everything in it in days that were more than just 24 hours in duration.
---lee1538 on 4/3/12


CALVIN ON THE SABBATH:
If people assemble to observe the sacraments, offer common prayer and show agreement in the union of faith, it is convenient to have a single specified day for the purpose. It is best that we keep the regulation that God has commanded and that we come together in the company of the faithful.

But what do we find? We find that service to God is treated with disrespect. They mock God and his doctrine. They are pigs which come to defile the temple of God, and they should be in stables. It would be better for them to stay in their stinking hovels. To be blunt, it would be better that these wicked and filthy scoundrels were cut off from the Church of God, rather than coming to mingle with the company of the faithful.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/12


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Just because a movement has existed for centuries, and is believed in by even millions of followers does not make that movement necessarily true.

Characteristics of cults:

1)Cults usually feature a strong leader who is admired with a fervent devotion. People will follow him... and on rare occasions, her... anywhere.

2)Cults try to keep their members isolated from outside influences that might cause doubt to arise.

3)Cults claim exclusive access to God's will. They're the only ones who have it all down right, they're the only ones getting into heaven. You see that in a lot of churches we don't think of as cults.

4)Cults control and sometimes destroy lives by dictating the personal lives of the members.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/12


What is a cult? To me it is an identifiable organization that emphases works over grace and generally was started by a leader that had very questionable credentials.

---lee1538 on 4/1/12

Totally agree. Calvin was one such person, holding Geneva in FEAR, keeping many under LAW and murdering anyone who got out of line. Same with the Calvinists in Mass. The "elect" accusing other "elect" of being demon posessed, murdering them.

Also the teaching and keeping of infant baptism is A WORK.

Are your works less dangerous than any other WORKS or QUESTIONABLE leaders?

You will never remove the spec in anothers eye until you take out the LOG in your own. That's what's so humorous about your posts!
---kathr4453 on 4/3/12


Lee, as I understand SDA doctrine salvation is definitely by faith, not works. But those who claim to be saved but continue willingly, purposefully, as a lifestyle live contrary to the 10 Commandments deceive themselves. But they were not, and cannot be saved, by obedience to law. This obedience concerns the post-salvation lifestyle.

1 John 3:9 ESV "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for Gods seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God." Barnes and Gill et al confirm this means the saved do not make a practice of sin.

Do I sin? Yes, and that is what John addresses in 1 John 2:1,2.
---Warwick on 4/2/12


Warwick //1 John concerns those already saved, by faith, those walking in the light.

Totally agree and 1 john 1: 8 tells us that the truth is not in us if we say we have no sin.

And yes Galatians 2:16 speaks of our justification by faith however, we must realize that we have a struggle with things of the flesh. As we read in 5:17 that "the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would".

Tell me Warwick do you sin and if you do are you really saved?

1 John 3:9 KJV9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
---lee1538 on 4/2/12


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Lee, you attrempt to evade the obvious. Galatians ch. 2 is about salvation by faith in Jesus. Verse 16 "a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." Salvation 101!

However 1 John concerns those already saved, by faith, those walking in the light. You confuse the two, either by ignorance of Scripture or by your desire to defeat Francis.

Often you write intelligent comments but when on one of your 'hobby-horses' your good reason deserts you. It is almost as though there are two Lee's! And there are aren't there?
---Warwick on 4/2/12


Francis, why is it there are people I know, who also are SDA's, yet the don't keep the first, fouth, seventh, and ninth commandments.

You say others who don't follow the SDA Sabbath only keep nine commandents, when it is very apparent SDA's keep less than six.
---Rob on 4/2/12


When Christians cannot agree to disagree on 2nd tier (predestination, free will) or 3rd tier (hymns, contemporary music, mega, small church size etc) issues. Have an opinion sure but respect someone else opinion also.
---Scott1 on 4/2/12


Warwick - thank you for your comments.

While we are justified not by works but by faith, the product of that faith is works of righteousness, not deeds of darkness.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Consider Eph. 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It is all too easy for the degenerates to brand others as being less than Christian especially when they themselves are unfamiliar with the Truth.
---lee1538 on 4/2/12


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Lee you quote Galatians 2:16 as though it somehow cancells out 1 John 2:3,4, but it doesn't. A casual reading of both shows Galatians is about justification, about salvation "by faith in Jesus Christ" while 1 John is to those already saved telling them how they should live, to "walk in the light." Verse 4 'Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,' You would have us believe we can be saved by faith in Jesus then "walk in darkness" continuing to live lawless lives! What heresy is this?
---Warwick on 4/2/12


Yes, Francis, It is very apparent that Adventists do not base any of their works salvation doctrine on what is found in Galatians.
---lee1538 on 4/1/12

here is the propblem with that statement.

You know it is a lie, and yet you post it.

Which tell me that you are not of christ
John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

A believer in Jesus would never lie
---francis on 4/2/12


Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Yes, Francis, It is very apparent that Adventists do not base any of their works salvation doctrine on what is found in Galatians.

Children of Hagar?
---lee1538 on 4/1/12


For God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him (and observes the 10 commandments) might or might not have eternal life.
---lee1538 on 4/1/12

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 4/1/12


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nothing wrong with the Orthodox Presbyterian but like other, there are fallible people that have been elected to provide organizational guidance.

What is a cult? To me it is an identifiable organization that emphases works over grace and generally was started by a leader that had very questionable credentials.

For God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him (and observes the 10 commandments) might or might not have eternal life.

sarcasm!
---lee1538 on 4/1/12


Leest: Why do you ask? Are you planning to join one? What's wrong with your pseudo-orthodox Presbyterian cult?


---jerry6593 on 3/31/12


How does one recognize a cultist?

Jesus says, "'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.'" (in Luke 9:23)

When we have denied our own selves . . . not just denying other people!! . . . and we have gotten with Jesus, He makes us able to know who and what is real, so then it is so simple to see and sense who is not real in Jesus and His message and loving.

If you want a real man, spend time with Jesus so you know how He is with you, then see if a man is like our Groom Jesus or not > "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)
---willie_c: on 3/31/12


Cults are any religious movements that are nonChristian, these are all false religions. "cult" is a derivative of the word "occult", which means, "sight covered, eclipse, a dark way". Thus, a cult is every religion, rather than following Christ the Light.
---Eloy on 3/31/12


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Christianity is a cult.
---Pat.pat on 3/30/12


There are basically two kinds of cults. The first kind is a manipulative group who controls its members completely and demands complete commitment and loyalty. The second kind of cult is one who deviates from biblical Christianity.

The Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions defines a cult as: "A separate religious group generally claiming compatibility with Christianity but whose doctrines contradict those of historic Christianity and who practices and ethical standards violate those of biblical Christianity."
---lee1538 on 3/30/12


Everyone is classified a cult until he's "born of the Spirit by the will of God", to see his sin nature.

A cult does not necessarily refer to a religious order. Example, someone who loves himself more than others, is a cult. The APPLE brand, who have multitudes of 'followers' is also a cult, for the believe in the philosophies of one such late Steve Job.

How true then when Christ declared, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come." Unbelievers will say Christianity is a cult.
---christan on 3/30/12


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