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Legends and MarkV,

Both very excellent points on how "tithing" is not commanded. The 10th is not commanded.
We are supposed to pay taxes because Jesus says so himself. BUT, we are to give to those who need out of LOVE of our neighbor as we love ourselves. EXAMPLE: Now I know I love me a pair of new shoes(lol) and if I see any in my family (extended) or friends, needy people, I give out of love cause I love myself. i would not let myself go without so I certainly won't let my fellow man go without. I do what I can and give what God tells me is needed. That is what Christ is talking about. That is the "tithes" for today.
---ginger on 4/19/12


Legends, welcome back, and very good points. In Scripture, if something is a Law, as some claim tithes are, people will give 10% and no more. They will say, I gave 10% its up to others to give their 10% and not give more when it is possible for them to give more. They judge their gift by what others give. We should give as we can effort. God knows the heart of each one. It's like the parable of the rich young ruler. His refusal to obey Jesus revealed two things, He was not blameless as he claimed as far as the law was concern because he was guilty of loving himself and his possessions more than his neighbors, and second, he lacked true faith, which involves a willingness to surrender all at Christ's bidding (16:24).
---Mark_V. on 4/18/12


hello,Strongaxe..smiles! Ok hey,ELENA the faithfull,child she is sometimes..she was ready to tell you where the verseswere! :) well,believe it ha!ha! or not after Chemo this is actually better!thanks! Keeps me laugh'n...
---ELENA on 4/17/12


ELENA:

In my message to francis, I was not asking him whether or not such laws were for today (they are not, since we are not under the Law), nor whether they were required under Moses's day (they were, since he wrote them).

Rather, I was asking him whether or not he could show any evidence that ALL those laws were ALREADY in place BEFORE Moses wrote them down. The reason I ask this is because francis claims that they were, so I was asking him to prove it.
---StrongAxe on 4/17/12


Giving is a matter of the heart moved by love not the law of the tithe.
Unless you are self-employed or unemployed, it is virtually impossible to tithe ACCORDING TO the actual way people tithed in the OT and NT.
Why? Because tithing isn't "A" tenth despite popular opinion. It's THE FIRST TENTH.
Last time I checked, the US Government takes more than the first tenth of my income, Social Security, state taxes.
When teaching, tell the entire story please! I guarantee you, most teachers saying you will be cursed for NOT tithing DO NOT GIVE THE FIRST TENTH unless they don't pay taxes!
When I gave my heart in marriage, my wife didn't get a portion of my money, she gained access to ALL! My money went with my heart.
---Legends on 4/17/12




hello,Strongaxe, previous AOG church study all those prohibited laws 5:00a.m.Yes! women not allow near anyone,during that time of the month & anyone touch her also considered "unclean".. going to check! most were in Deutoromy & Leviticus..
---ELENA on 4/17/12


strongaxe
it is your obligation? the pastor has the obligation to the congregation. tithe HAS BECOME mandatory YOU HAVE to give not voluntary. i thought that pastors are the servants NOT BEING SERVED.
---mike on 4/17/12


francis:

Considering how many specific laws were revealed to Moses (for example, in Leviticus), and how little there was of Genesis before that point, there's no possible way most of his laws could have been hinted at, let alone explicitly spelled out in Genesis. This is not to say that such laws didn't exist, but if they did, Genesis would have to have omitted mentioning most of them because there just wasn't enough room.

Sure, there are prohibitions against murder, adultery, etc. But where in Genesis do you find prohibitions against mixing unlke fabrics, cooking a kid in its mother's milk, separation of women during their time of the month, treatment of leprosy, marrying your cousin, etc.? I would really be curious.
---StrongAxe on 4/17/12


Hello! wonderfull hear from you,bro.Mark! my pastor used to be so,worried 'bout me...smile! On ChristiaNet. He ok with it now. I found this vs. Finally 'bout giving! 2.Cor9:6,7.....He that soweth sparingly shall reapalso sparingly,and he that soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
---ELENA on 4/17/12


One cannot argue from a vacuum. Specific laws were generally not laid out until Moses.
---StrongAxe on 4/16/12

The only laws that were new to Moses was the laws of the earthly sanctuary.

There are many books which point out all the laws in Genesis. People have gone into genesis and pointed out all ten commandments, dietary laws, many of the judgments and so on


Would you like the name of one or two of them?
---francis on 4/17/12




Elena, you are absolutely correct. We must do what we can, it all comes back to us many times over. I believe the problem many have is not so much they don't want to give, they just don't want to be made to give a certain amount. My former church taught tithes 10%, the one we are in now doesn't, it is small and it is still able to be maintain because people are very giving. But you are right, every time we give in any way, many good things happen to us.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/12


francis:

One cannot argue from a vacuum. Specific laws were generally not laid out until Moses. Some of them may have existed before then, but the only way we can be sure they existed was when they were mentioned - for example, prohibitions against murder (Cain), adultery (Potiphar's wife), etc. The fact that those particular laws existed do not in any imply that all the rest of the Mosaic laws did. If so, why would God have needed to bother writing them down on stone tablets for Moses, seeing how everyone would already have known them. The fact that he felt the need to write them down meant that they were NOT universally accepted laws.
---StrongAxe on 4/16/12


God did not command the tithe, Abraham chose to give it of his own free will ---michael_e on 4/15/12

Genesis 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I, neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou [art] his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

So God had no law against adultery, joseph just choose not to do it?

It is not the purpose of the book of genesis to point out in detail the laws, ordinances and statutes of God. But they are all in Genesis

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

You think tithing may have been one of those law or commandments or statutes?
---francis on 4/15/12


When noting Abraham, God did not command the tithe, Abraham chose to give it of his own free will (Genesis 14:17-23, Hebrews 7:1-10)
---michael_e on 4/15/12


markV, the wolves in sheeps clothing and brood of vipers would do well to learn what Jesus did when he walked into the temple and found the money chargers. He yelled at them, "My House will be a House of Prayer!" turned their tables upon them, and made a whip and whipped every one of them sinners out of his church, just as our Holy God casts souls out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, and he will love them no more. Reference, Hosea 9:15+ John 2:15+ Mark 11:15-17. "Here you all, says the Lord, if you have a lot, give a lot, if you have a little, give a little, and if you have none, then give none."
---Eloy on 4/15/12


elo:

Tithing is not a sin. Being in bondage to obsolete tithing laws is sin. Eating beef but not shrimp is not sin. Being in bondage to obsolete dietary laws is sin. Relaxing on the sabbath is not sin. Being in bondage to obsolete sabbath laws is sin.

The common thing here is not the specific acts (which, although not commanded in the New Testament, are not forbidden either), but rather placing onself under bondage to something that Jesus already freed us from.
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12


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hello! Family,bro.Mark goodmorning! Good you here,now,the lord so,very good to me.How cud I not give $ to the Lord? 1.book of Acts2:44,45.this is the first primitive fellowship of believers it says"All believers were together and had everything in common.45Selling their possesions and goods to anyoneas he had need. 2.Pro.21:26 -but the rightous give without sparing. My point is the house of God is to be reverenced.we got to give out of our finances,the pastor & his family have to survive,the church must be kept up,gas bill,electric,etc... I am happy do all I can. God has never been slack with me / I was homeless!churches fed me and yes! I did clean. God wants to see our love by how we treat His house.
---ELENA on 4/14/12


//My experence has been those that whine about giving 10% give very little if any at all//

Curious...how would one know this when the Bible instructs one to give in secret?

However, it is evident that the ones who generally yell the loudest to give are the recepients of the 10 percent.
---Rod4Him on 4/13/12


Not only is tithing a sin, but also requiring people to follow any o.t. laws is sin, including dietary laws, observance of religious days and customs, burning of incense, animal sacrificing, and et cetera.
---Eloy on 4/13/12


Tithing is not a sin. That is so rediculous. If a person want to tithe why not? Let them tithe. I do also find that when people talk or ask questions about tithes it is because they are trying to justify not giving at all. Their motives are wrong. God is working through many missionsaries who need our support. God provides that support through us. Bills have to be paid for places where Christians gather. Some pastors work for free, when they can afford it, but others have families and pastoring becomes the complete way of life. Kelly is right we should feel we need to give for the cause.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/12


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Adetunji:

I didn't say that people should stop giving. Yes, there are opportunities for people to serve, and yes, there are opportunities for people to give.

However, under the New Covenant we are not under a yoke of obligation to give exactly 10% under penalty of law. We are to give gladly and with thanksgiving, not under compulsion.

Note the Christian hymn "I surrender ALL", not "I surrender ten percent".
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12


StrongAxe: Remember the popular verse of Malachi 3: 10, "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house,..." God's house is still existing in Christianity today even though it is not only the Levites that are in charge. The Lord Jesus had opened the door to many to serve.
---Adetunji on 4/13/12


"God owns everything: tithing is sin, and an insult to think God is only worth 10% to a person."
Eloy
So inform us as to what part of your 100% you give?
My experence has been those that whine about giving 10% give very little if any at all.
---Elder on 4/13/12


Kelly, how right you are. That is exactly how I feel. What good is it to be forced to give a certain amount? Not good to force anyone. The Spirit speaks to our conscience, and we follow the conviction we feel coming from the Spirit. The Televangelist try to convict the people to give. And people get convicted by them, not the Spirit. They have many tricks they use. I remember when a guy misled the people when he said his house caught on fire in Texas, and people were sending money left and right. The people didn't know that only his drapes caught on fire. He also had two mansions.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/12


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When we give, we should give with the attitude that we are bringing a present to our King Jesus. It's between you and God how much you are giving. God loves a cheerful giver and I also believe in the principle of sowing and reaping. God has always provided for me and my family when we give even though sometimes it's not making sense to give.

After I bring my gift (money) to God's house, I trust that God is happy with my gift. It is between the church pastor and leaders of how they use the money. God will deal with them if they have misuse the money.
---Kelly on 4/12/12


Amen! Bro.Eloy,you are correct.This happens too many churches,God is not ignorant & he is a holy God. He cautions them to be honest and not be greedy for money,be doers of good 'n not evil.Tim.3:2,3,5.
---ELENA on 4/12/12


mike:

In a small church where pastoral duties are part-time, it may make sense for a pastor to do that part time, and have a job to provide for his upkeep. However, in a larger church where a pastor may have 40 hours a week of pastoral duties, he doesn't have time to actually have a real paying job - in such cases, it makes sense for him to be hired and paid a wage by the church.

This does mean that everyone is obliged to give 10% for his upkeep, but people need to contribute something so the church can survive as a financial entity (paying for power, heat, gas for buses, real estate taxes, wages for paster, custodial staff, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 4/12/12


When offerings and groceries and services are called for in the church, in order to help the widows and those in need, it is a good thing. But when a church lies and says, Pay a tithe or you are sinning, that is the churches sin. And when I see a pastor driving a new car and wearing expensive jewelry and expensive clothing, and able to take vacations, and I also see the pastor's sheep struggling and being poor, I feel indignant exactly like Christ does, when he made a whip and whipped out those ministering robbers whom greedily fleece the poor sheep of God, rather than helping them and giving to them.
---Eloy on 4/12/12


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---Rod4Him on 4/12/12
2 Kings 23:35 And Jehoiakim gave the silver and the gold to Pharaoh, but he taxed the land to give the money according to the commandment of Pharaoh: he exacted the silver and the gold of the people of the land, of every one according to his taxation, to give it unto Pharaohnechoh.

1 Kings 12:18 Then king Rehoboam sent Adoram, who [was] over the tribute, and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.

better I have ten more
Kings / government did NOt get the tithes. they took taxes
---francis on 4/12/12


pastors should apply for a job & work & stop quoting malachi or passing the tithe bucket.
---mike on 4/12/12

This is exactly WHY I no longer attend any Assemblies of God (AG) churches anymore.

The ones I've visited all quoted those verses from Malachai:

(1) Your Tithe is a COMMANDMENT for supporting the local church. Be obedient!

(2) Your Offerings are needed for AG World Missions. Nice, but what about the United States?

(3) New Building Projects! Be ready to give those special offerings. Many of us are earning LESS because of the poor economy.

(4) Question the Pastor about any of the above and you're blacklisted.

Good Bye! AG extortioners.


---Sag on 4/12/12


//2 Chronicles 8:8 [But] of their children, who were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel consumed not, them did Solomon make to pay tribute until this day./

"pay tribute" appears to better translated "forced labor." In any case the people who "pay tribute, or forced labor" were not the Israelites, but foreign nationalites.

To use this verse to "prove" taxes came from Israel is an error.

If a person is wrong they need to admit it.
---Rod4Him on 4/12/12


//LEVITES GOT THE TITHES

And you want to believe that Adventist pastors replaced the Levitical priesthood and thus are entitled to the tithe? Adventism demands the 10 percent from its misguided followers.

If Adventism is moving toward observig the Jewish feasts with modifications, then can we come to view them just as another pseudo-Jewish religion maybe with a few things pertaining to Christ tossed in for good measure?

Play religion!

Luke 7: 32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced, we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
---lee1538 on 4/12/12


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Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

LEVITES GOT THE TITHES

2 Chronicles 8:8 [But] of their children, who were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel consumed not, them did Solomon make to pay tribute until this day.

KINGS/ GOVERNMENT COLLECTED TAXED

The kings or government which mostly came from judah were not supported by tithes, they were supported by taxes
---francis on 4/12/12


//KINGS? GOVERNMENT COLLECTED TAZED//

I don't know what you mean, but for clarification the Levites were the Priests and the civil authority. When the Law was written, there were no Kings. That was not God's intended proceedure for the Hebrews to have Kings.

The tithe system as presented in the OT was to the Hebrews, and to try to apply the Law to today without major modifications is impossible. Christ is the end of the Law.

Either a person can focus on Christ, and be filled with Christ, or there will be a thousand Rabbis with another opinion saying, "follow me, if one really loves God they will do ...," and list goes on.
---Rod4Him on 4/12/12


Every man/women are accountable for their actions (and that includes trying to make a "Mockery" of God's Word).

Many unbelievers have taken "biblical" principles achieving great things in life and yet many of Gods children are dying in poverty, debt and sickness simply because of ignorance and disobedience to Gods words and promises. Their prayers fall amiss because they do not understand that everything needs a seed (that what the tithe is).

No wonder God says "my children perish through lack of knowledge".

Its the TRUTH that we know (through Gods word) that sets us free.

When are we ever going to learn!!!!!!!!
---The_Believer on 4/12/12


Under the law only products produced within the boundaries of Israel were to be tithed. Only Grain, fruit, and livestock. Jews living in Gentile lands were exempt (Lev 27:30-34).
A farmer with only 9 cattle didn't tithe because the law specified the "tenth which passeth under the rod." Likewise a farmer with 19 sheep paid only 1 sheep.
Jewish farmers in the land could redeem (buy back) the tithes of their crops with a penalty of one fifth. In other words, if a farmer wishes to keep his tithe of grain worth $1,000, he could pay the cash equivalent of $1,200 (Lev. 27:31).
God ordained Levites to recieve the tithe (Numb.18:21). It was used for the service of the tabernacle (later the temple) (Numb.18:20-28).
---michael_e on 4/12/12


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A few things to keep in mind in regard to Old Testament tithing is that the Hebrew society was a civil-religious system. The tithe supported their government leadership and their religious system, which were one and the same. ---Rod4Him on 4/11/12

Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

LEVITES GOT THE TITHES

2 Chronicles 8:8 [But] of their children, who were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel consumed not, them did Solomon make to pay tribute until this day.

KINGS? GOVERNMENT COLLECTED TAZED
---francis on 4/12/12


sag

what is that 'some' monetary compensation. fulltime? do pastors pay those sunday school teachers, day cares? NO. how people are there in megachurches right now. thousands. so every sunday we are told to obey malachi & use guilt, shame & fear to give. so 'some' monetary compensation adds up to 100s of thousands. right now ACTS 20:33-35 does not exist in the bible only 1 tim 5:17. in order to stop this controvertial issue, pastors should apply for a job & work & stop quoting malachi or passing the tithe bucket.
---mike on 4/12/12


A few things to keep in mind in regard to Old Testament tithing is that the Hebrew society was a civil-religious system. The tithe supported their government leadership and their religious system, which were one and the same. Consequently, they didn't have a 35 percent tax and a 10 percent tithe. Much of the American tax system already goes to the poor.

For "churches" to expect a 10 percent tithe is unconscionable.

In the NT most of the proceeds from the giving were directly given to the poor, not for a wealthy "institutionalized" church system.
---Rod4Him on 4/11/12


anon, your right. What's the problem with giving ten percent? I believe the only argument is, if it is law, and are we under the written law, or the spirit of the law. Under a yoke, or freed from the weight of the law?
That is the problem I see. I myself give a percentage. If we leave town and not at church, when we come back I make up for the week we missed. I don't feel pressure from anyone to give a percent or make up what I missed. I do what my heart tells me. I also give to foundations like world Vision, and a few others every month. I feel if I can, I will give. If I cannot, then I won't. My wife feels the same. We should alway give for the cause of God. We know He doesn't need money, but puts it in our heart to help the cause.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/12


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mike, francis:

1) I believe that the Tithing command was OT only. In the NT, we give freely as the Spirit leads our hearts to give. Matthew 10:8

2) Elders -- Pastors, Teachers, Leaders, etc. -- deserve some monetary compensation. 1 Timothy 5:17

But, NOT to the point where Christians have to support the expensive lifestyles of some Televangelists, Traveling Preachers, etc.

3) We are NOT living under the OT law. Thus, we are NOT obligated to support, or pay for, glamorous church structures, evangelist's travel expenses, Pastoral retirement funds, etc.

Many churches use verses from the Book of Malachai to make people "feel guilty and tithe". Wrong thing to do!
---Sag on 4/11/12


anon:

I think my specific wording may be unique (the only copies I can find online are my own quotes of it on here several times). However, I didn't come up with the idea. I heard it elsewhere, and it struck such a chord, I quote it frequently.

I think it may have been from Tony Campolo, although I'm not sure if he was the first one to come up with it. You can find many references if you search for "I surrender one tenth", "I surrender ten percent", or "ten percent to thee my blessed savior".
---StrongAxe on 4/11/12


PAUL DID NOT RECEIVE PERMANENT fulltime salary from the POOR CHURCHES.
---mike on 4/11/12
He did reserve the right to do so.
1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? ...
---francis on 4/11/12


In the NT, which was written AFTER Jesus Christ came to Earth to save us, Tithing is NOT required like it was in the OT.---Sag on 4/11/12

And that is based on which scriptures?
---francis on 4/11/12


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sag
it is to support FULL TIME ministry? NOwhere in the bible says that pastors are paid full time in the bible. PAUL DID NOT RECEIVE PERMANENT fulltime salary from the POOR CHURCHES. Paul worked to set an example that he was not in it for the money. pastors have exploited malachi & 1 tim. so they can justify their laziness greed love of money. that is why you see televangelist are making $300,000 $400,000 / year. acts 20:33-35 1cor. 9:6-7 14. Paul did not CHOSE to receive financial support.
---mike on 4/11/12


Tithing is Gods means of supporting those who work full time in his ministry. This has not changed from Ot to NT
---francis on 4/10/12

Yes, it HAS changed.

In the NT, which was written AFTER Jesus Christ came to Earth to save us, Tithing is NOT required like it was in the OT.

Jesus Christ freed us from the Bondage of the LAW. We are now Living and Giving under GRACE. Or, at least I am.

If modern church leaders, and their staffs, missionaries, building programs, etc. can't live with what people give out of GRACE, I question where those folks should be in ministry.

Many churches claim what you do as a way of controlling their flocks.

I was once there, but I'm now FREE in Jesus Christ! Amen.
---Sag on 4/11/12


StrongAxe....LOL!

I love your song!!!

"I surrender one tenth" I am hysterical laughing over here and I think this is the cutest thing I've ever seen on this site. How true is it that we sing "I surrender all" and bicker about giving 10% to God and not bicker about the US government taking 28% in taxes.

Thank you for that StrongAxe, how true that song is!!!!
---anon on 4/11/12


Scott 1, So God is learning as He goes

I think we have a word choice issue. When you say plan you mean what happens in your life. When I say plan I mean His will for your life. I totally believe that God knows what you are going to do, obey his will or not. But God will stop His will until you do that next step. example I could not grow until I signed up to Kenya on a mission trip.
---Scott1 on 4/11/12


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Tithing is Gods means of supporting those who work full time in his ministry. This has not changed from Ot to NT


Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation

1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
---francis on 4/10/12


"And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God." (2 Corinthians 8:5)

So, they gave themselves to the Lord, and they gave themselves "to us". So, they did not give just money. If I give myself to the Lord and to His approved leaders whom He trusts, I have given all.

"Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you." (Hebrews 13:17)
---willie_c: on 4/10/12


God owns everything: tithing is sin, and an insult to think God is only worth 10% to a person.
---Eloy on 4/10/12


anon:

Excellent point!

As I have asked on several occasions, how many who insist that the tithe is for today go to church and sing the hymn:

I surrender one tenth
I surrender one tenth
One tenth to thee, my Blessed Savior
I surrender one tenth!
---StrongAxe on 4/10/12


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Scott 1, So God is learning as He goes, is that what you are saying? He doesn't know what your next step is, really? He gains knowledge, Really? What god is that? Scott, listen to the Word of God,
"For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" (Ez, 11:5)
"Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, Thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquanited with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue O Lord, Thou knowest it altogether" ( Psa. 130:2-4).
"A man's heart deviseth his way, "but the Lord directeth his steps" ( Prov. 16:9).
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12


The most profound thing I've heard about tithing came from a Pastor in California, forget his name.

He said, "that's fine if you don't want to tithe, but if you don't, then do what Jesus said to do, "Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, shaken together and runneth over."

"Sell all that you have and give to the poor"...remember when Jesus told the rich man to do that? Can you do that? Can you let go and let God?

Tithing is only 10% so what's the beef about? We get to keep 90%, and what a deal that is, right? OMG we give God TEN PERCENT and He mulitplies it back to us some twenty fold, some fifty and some a hundred fold. So why bicker about this?
---anon on 4/10/12


//Question: Is God a LIAR? Does his word CHANGE? (Mal 3v6, Numb 23v19, Heb 6v18)

No God is never a liar but those who try to impose laws that are not applicable to the church are indeed liars.

Does God command Christians to be physically circumcised? Did He institute a change in the priesthood (Hebrews 7:12). Was the law given simply as a schoolmaster until we could be justified by faith (Gal. 3:24f)? Or are we freed from the law to live by God's Spirit?

Sabbaterians have religion as their savior but Christians have Christ.
---lee1538 on 4/10/12


Mark V
He would then be changing His plan every time someone sinned.

But He does change his plan every time we sin. God wants desire, loves, to bless us. Yes God does know that we sin and that sin has consequences and those consequences effect our relationship to Him. God will not overlook sin to bless us. Time and time again God says "If my people return to me I will bless and heal there land." I am talking about daily life not salvation.
---Scott1 on 4/10/12


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Adetunji:

The tithes in the Old Testament were specifically paid to the Levites, because all other tribes were given an inheritance (so they could grow their own produce, etc.) but the Levites were not. Instead, they were supposed to be supported by the other tribes.

While there is no scriptural note that this has ever stopped, there is also no scriptural note saying that the beneficiaries should be transferred to anyone else either.

When was the last time any tithe-paying Christian paid 10% of his income to a Levite or Jewish priest?

If they pay their tithes to anyone else, they are just as guilty of "changing the law" as anyone who doesn't pay tithes.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/12


YES, tithes are for today. There is no scripture that stopped it or forbid it. But our obedience or submission to God must be greater than just paying tithes, Matt.23:23.
---Adetunji on 4/10/12


Lets define tithe. I think this is what the confusion is over.
1) Cain and Abel gave "fruits of their labor". However Abel gave the first Cain gave some. Thus the first is important. Also the city of Jerico was given to the Lord first.
2) Abraham gave 10% of his spoils. Thus the idea of 10 became popular. 10 is also the number of challenge. aka 10 commandments, parable of the 10 virgins, and many more.
3) Solomans 1000 bulls in 1 Kings. Extravagant gifts are needed for true blessings.
4) Malachi Ch3 v8 "You rob me,... In tithes and offerings, you are under a cursed"
5) Sacrifically - the widow gave her last amount of food to Elijah before he blessed her with more food
---Scott1 on 4/10/12


cont.

6) The poor woman gave all she had to live on at the temple.
7) Cannot serve both God and money
9) In Acts the people gave all they had to the church not just the bare minimum.
10) where your treasure is your heart will be also
The point is the God wants to bless you. However He will not bless you unless you put him first in all areas including money. Money is the last obstacle for many people to turn over to God. In a good church, the pastor wants you to give so that you will be blessed not so that you will bless the church. Yes you can give 1% but are you not saying I cheerfully give $10 but not $100 but cause that could be useful.
---Scott1 on 4/10/12


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Strongaxe,

I don't think that I will even ask you whether or not your a tither?

Question: Is God a LIAR? Does his word CHANGE? (Mal 3v6, Numb 23v19, Heb 6v18)

Question: Does not EVERY word of God come to pass? (Isaiah 55v11)

Question: If Gods Word IS divided, then how can it STAND? (Mark 3v23-27)

With Gods Word in DOUBT then so is our "Salvation".(Rom 10v9)

There are MANY who testify of Gods goodness. Sow your tithe faithfully in obedience (forget about the Pastor) and watch God perform mighty miracles in your life.

The Word of God is "Non" negotiable under any circumstance - Please don't let fear, greed or people opinions make you lose the greatest miracles of all times.
---The_Believer on 4/10/12


//But if one would read the record, we see that Abraham gave only of the spoils of his conquest, nothing of his gross income.//

Abraham kept nothing for himself.
---Rod4Him on 4/10/12


So far, I am surprise no one has mentioned that God is not learning through time or is receiving new information, for He is outside of time and knows all things. What He gave us was His written word, Scripture.
He is not waiting to find out whether you will give ten percent or not, and if you do He finds out you were faithful, so He suddenly decides to save your life. What is wrong believers? If you didn't die, it is because He had already ordained when you would, and nothing is going to change His plan for your life. It is written already. He would then be changing His plan every time someone sinned. For us, who live through time, we are unfolding what is already present and complete before Him. Don't make Him a man, He is God Almighty.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12


The Lord God says, "All their wickedness in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes rebellious. It is written, My house will be called the House of Prayer: but you all have made it a Den of robbers. But woe to you Ministers, because you take tithes of the mint and the rue and every plant, and pass by the discernment and the love of God, these befits to do and them not to leave aside. For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice: and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." Ho.9:15+ Jn.2:14,15+ Mt.21:13+ Lk.11:42+ Ho.6:6.
---Eloy on 4/9/12


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Take diligent heed to do the commandments says the Lord, the commandments of the LORD is pure. The OT separates the commandments and the law of Moses. Joshua 22:5

Psalm 111:10
Psalm 112:1
Psalm 119:151
Proverbs 6:23
Proverbs 8:29
Proverbs 19:16

Matthew 5:19
Matthew 15:3
Matthew 19:17
Luke 23:56
John 14:15
John 14:21
John 15:10
1 Corinthians 7:19
1 John 2:3-8
Revelation 12:17
Revelation 14:12
Revelation 22:14

Need the Bible say more?
---Steveng on 4/9/12


Keep this commandment - the ultimate commandment of LOVE - without spot until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The OT laws were of a physical nature, the NT laws a spiritual nature. The NT may not say to tithe, but to give cheerfully all you are able to help those less fortunate. This means more than ten percent. A christian should be able to live on the bare necessities of life - a roof over the head, clothes you your back, food on the table. Does a christian need any more?

Remember the story of Ananias and Sapphira?

Do you give $20 to a homeless person who asks for spare change WITHOUT THINKING about how he'll spend it? (whether on alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, etc.) Remember that you could be entertaining an angel.
---Steveng on 4/9/12


Tithing was made part of the law

Num 14:27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him, for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied, that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
---michael_e on 4/9/12


Many pastors in taking advantage of peoples ignorance of the Bible will pitch the view that Abraham gave the tithe.

But if one would read the record, we see that Abraham gave only of the spoils of his conquest, nothing of his gross income.

The OT tithe belongs only to the Old Covenant dispensation, and like the Sabbath we can find nothing of a command for it in the New Covenant.

What we do find in the New Testament is that we are to give in accordance to how God has blessed us.
---lee1538 on 4/9/12


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We aren't under the tithe. The tithe was part of the Law. Tithing was given to the tribe of Levi. ---michael_e on 4/9/12

I am not sure what LAW you are speaking of: is that the same law from which we get honour father and mother and also do not take God's name in vain?

I am am also 100% sure that Abrahm was not from levi nor was Melchizedek king of Salem
Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.
Genesis 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
---francis on 4/9/12


Try it and see what happens. "Taste and see that the Lord is good." Even if it's in the Old Testament and not the new, it's still God's word.

I tithed 20 percent of my inheritance and when I needed a miracle, God saved my life...I was bleeding to death in my liver. Was rushed to the hospital and the doctors told my family I wasn't going to make it. I'm here and alive and well and doing great. Try it for yourself and see if it works!
---anon on 4/9/12


We aren't under the tithe. The tithe was part of the Law. Tithing was given to the tribe of Levi. I doubt good Jewish people still tithe, they don't know who the Levites are either. Paul never says tithe, because that was part of the Law.
Paul said.
I Cor. 16:1,2 "Now concerning the collection for the saints, Jewish saints at Jerusalem) as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye (at Corinth). Upon the first day of the week (not seventh day Sabbath. Why first day? Resurrection day) let every on of you lay by him in store, (as a tithe? No) as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

That the beauty of God's Grace. He left us with that free will. We can give what we want to.
---michael_e on 4/9/12


"O LORD, your word is established in heaven forever" (Psalm 119v89).

Malachi 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


A double minded man is "unstable" in all his ways, and can expect to receive nothing from the Lord (James 1v8).

The word "tithe" means tenth. Its only when we are experiencing financial difficulty that we seem to want to query the tithe - when that is the best time to walk in obedience and see God perform his miracle.

We need to trust God in our most difficult times. I know from experience that he is always faithful.
---francis on 4/9/12


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The_Believer:

Your response addresses the idea of whether God is faitfhul, and whether we should trust him, and whether we should be double-minded. However, it does not in any way address the blog topic - i.e. whether or not we, as Christians, are still under the Old Testament commandment to tithe 10% (and if so, 10% of what, and to whom).
---StrongAxe on 4/9/12


We should make a habit (a conscious effort) of NOT IMITATING the practices of the scribes and Pharisees.

Jesus very clearly said that both the scribes and the Pharisees were CHILDREN OF HELL.

Matthew 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves".

IF you have a heartfelt 'conscience burning' desire to contribute to any charity at all, make sure that you DO NOT deprive your marriage family of ANY of the luxuries that God has enabled you to provide them with (be a good steward, your marriage family is your FIRST and only REAL ministry).
---more_excellent_way on 4/9/12


Happy Easter Mark!

"O LORD, your word is established in heaven forever" (Psalm 119v89).

A double minded man is "unstable" in all his ways, and can expect to receive nothing from the Lord (James 1v8).

The word "tithe" means tenth. Its only when we are experiencing financial difficulty that we seem to want to query the tithe - when that is the best time to walk in obedience and see God perform his miracle.

We need to trust God in our most difficult times. I know from experience that he is always faithful.
---The_Believer on 4/9/12


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