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I agree with 1st Cliff's explanation of mankind's free choice to freely do a series of catastophic evils against their fellow man. When God expresses his perfect love to man, and man in turn spits on his face and nails him up on a cross, that is man's doing all by done by themself, God does not force any human being anywhere to do any sin or evil against others, as a matter of fact he personally came down here in the flesh to persoanlly show all of us the right way on how to love one another, and not to continue to do evil to one another.
---Eloy on 4/16/12


I agree with 1st Cliff's explanation of mankind's free choice to freely do a series of catastophic evils against their fellow man. When God expresses his perfect love to man, and man in turn spits on his face and nails him up on a cross, that is man's doing all done by themself, God does not force any human being anywhere to do any sin or evil against others, as a matter of fact he personally came down here in the flesh to personally show all of us the right way on how to love one another, and not to continue to do evil to one another.
---Eloy on 4/16/12


Mark E, your view sounds great but you need to read the passages with spiritual eyes. You did not understand (Rom. 10:17)
"And hearing by the Word of God" How does someone hear? By the word of God. hearing comes from God. And how does faith come? By hearing. You cannot have faith if you do not hear. Spiritual ears to hear. That's what it means, the people in the desert heard, saw what God did for them, (Deut. 29:2-4)"You have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes" and then gives the things, then he says, "yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day" Hearing comes from God. If you don't hear, you cannot have faith.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/12


//TRUE believers christian take ALL the word of God.

Very true, and if we were to study Calvin and his writings, we would conclude that he took ALL of the word of God for his beliefs, most of which his predecessors also believed in.

//Cults on the otherhand cherry pick verses to fit into their false doctrine.

And the Adventists whom you greatly admire, are regarded as a cult and do indeed cherry pick the bible to fit their false doctrines. If you disagree, I would suggest you become one of them, the spirit of Ellen White would welcome you with open arms and led you to the fires of hell.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12


"No where does scripture teach that God DRAWS you THROUGH regeneration."

See, a classic case of an unregenerated heart is in view, and it comes straight from your heart through your mouth. Your theology of a regenerate heart only happens when a sinner calls on the Lord. If you can already call on the Lord without a regenerate heart, why do you even need the Holy Spirit? You have been made perfect by your own 'free-will', right? You are now free to enter the kingdom of God, isn't it?

Sadly for your 'free-will', and thankfully - God gave us John 3 to know what regeneration is truly all about and how it happens. Most definitely not the way you describe.
---christan on 4/16/12




Scripture explicitly declares, "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul." confirming "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Women (many) were listening to Paul's preaching but God only "opened" (regeneration) Lydia's heart to "heed" Paul's preaching. You won't find a verse that says Lydia by her own 'free-will' asked God to open her heart.

Christ declared "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." Spirit! Jesus said unless you're born of the Spirit, your call of His name is nothing but a vain act of false worship.
---christan on 4/16/12


Rom 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/16/12


AMEN Mark_Eaton, one who is TRULY taught by God and lead by the Holy Spirit into all truth.

BUT OH how often and always I have brought those verses to their attention. THEY refuse to respond or even acknowledge they exist.

TRUE believers christian take ALL the word of God. Cults on the otherhand cherry pick verses to fit into their false doctrine. SEE the difference??

Is that calling names? Or calling it as it is clearly SEEN!
---kathr4453 on 4/16/12


Great posts Mark E., Ruben and Kath.

They also need to look at St. John 1.
People know that the light..Christ.. has come and most have been told (hearing) some refuse to believe (place their trust i.e FAITH in Christ) some have chosen to believe thus placing their trust (FAITH) in Christ.
None are regeneratd until they place their trust in Christ. Then he makes his abode inside of them.
It is when we place our trust in Christ AFTER we have heard of him that we become saved and the Holy Spirit takes up residence inside of us. None can have the Spirit in them unless they believe Christ came to save them.
---ginger on 4/16/12


No where does scripture teach that God DRAWS you THROUGH regeneration.

Scripture uses regeneration 2 times.

Those who follow Christ IN the Regeneration will reign and rule with Him.

And YES after we are saved, or shoudl I say JUSTIFIED, Then we are washed in the Blood of Christ. the Word of God and the Spirit of God. None of these THREE work independently of one another.

The Spirit, Blood, and water AKA WORD are ONE. 1st John!
---kathr4453 on 4/16/12


"It appears that is the ONLY security they have...assaulting YOU! This is new age gnosticism through and through!"

Seriously, is that all you have in your armor? You've been rambling on with your commentaries about what you think the Scriptures means according to you and yet you have not one single verse to support your erroneous theology.

Honestly, if I have not been led by the Spirit of God to read the Scriptures and be guided by Him, even I would have been impress with your running commentaries. But alas, thank God and Jesus for the Holy Spirit, for indeed He does lead us to the Truth of the Gospel.

Name calling and cursing is all you do.
---christan on 4/16/12




I wonder where Jesus said, "By their 'free-will' they will choose to come to me and I will save them."
---christan on 4/16/

He does say although that by their 'free will' they refuse:

"You study the Scriptures carefully. You study them because you think they will give you eternal life. The Scriptures you study give witness about me. But you refuse to come to me and receive life." ( Jhn 5:39-40)
---Ruben on 4/16/12


There it is:
1. The Father has given the sinner to Christ
2. The Father draws the sinner to Christ
---christan on 4/16/12

You stop reading in John 6 way too soon.

Look at this verse and integrate it into your understanding:

John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall be all taught of God'. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me"

Did you see that? "Every man that hath heard and hath learned of the Father". Learned what? Heard what? What does the Scriptures say about hearing and coming to faith?

Rom 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/16/12


Some forget that the SPirit of God was poured out on ALL flesh.
Prophecied in Joel, came to pass in Acts.
Those who are drawn by God are drawn by his spirit that was poured out on ALL flesh 2000+ years ago by Christ.
How can one be saved? if you confess with your mouth and believe Christ with your heart you shall be saved.

MarkV and Christan are seriously peddling false gospel.
They don't understand that where your treasure is is where your heart is. Where one places their faith is where that faith is. When your faith is put in God and Christ, that is who you trust. That is your treasure and that is what makes you saved and ELECT.
---ginger on 4/16/12


If you can't comprehend that this is the result of "free will" making continuous bad choises, then you are seriously blind!
---1st_cliff on 4/15/12


Well it is much easier to blame our sin on God, Cliff. And then turn around and claim we love Him.
---CraigA on 4/16/12


CraigA, Romans 10:9-13 obviously does not imply that 'by your free-will' you are able to confess. If you bother to compare Scripture with Scripture, you will realise that those who are able to confess is because of what Christ has already declared in John 6:44,65

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

There it is:
1. The Father has given the sinner to Christ
2. The Father draws the sinner to Christ

Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture. It confirms! That's why the 'free-will' doctrine is erroneous and from the devil.
---christan on 4/16/12


Surely you jest, John
---CraigA on 4/16/12


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"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." CraigA

And Jesus also declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."
John 6:37-39

I wonder where Jesus said, "By their 'free-will' they will choose to come to me and I will save them."
---christan on 4/16/12


christan on 4/15/12


THEY shall deceive the elect?? WHO IS THEY christan??

I find it sad christan and company ALWAYS have to hide behind calling OTHERS SATAN in order to make themselves feel secure.

It appears that is the ONLY security they have...assaulting YOU!

Sad, sad sad testamony of a supposed Christian before others.

This is teh REASON for the hope within you? YET with that, YOU stilll cannot PROVE YOU are one of God's elect. Anyone can be brainwashed to believe they are the elect. Even the JW believe they are too!

The SOUL that sinneth it shall die.

Please give 3 scriptures where man's spirit is dead!

YOU CAN'T.

This is new age gnosticism through and through!
---kathr4453 on 4/16/12


Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Man is a triune being, and always has been. Our bodied came under teh curse too and we all die physically.

Cults HATE Hebrews.

GOD's WORD is sharper and more powerful than we can imagine and HIS WORD is what penetrates our soul spirit, heart conscience. Nothing about a new heart or NEW spirit here.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/12


1Cliff, I know you think the God of Scripture sucks for not doing things the way you would like Him to. I knew that from the beginning. Now you know what depravity means. No one puts a gun to your head in order for you to believe the Word of God. You are free to choose. But you will never choose God, even though you think you have free will as others do. You cannot, because you are not able to listen to the Word of God (John 8:43). Only His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. All the free will, will never help you see, hear or understand. People here say they can change their own minds about God because they have free will, what they need is a new heart, a new disposition. Otherwise they remain the same, unbelievers slaved to sin.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/12


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As Christian has so cogently and clearly shown, you are all children of Satan. Why do you keep arguing with him? His position is unassailable.
---John.usa on 4/15/12



See anywhere Paul teaches you that you have to believe first and God will save you?
--Christan

Absolutely! How could you miss it?

Romans 10:9-13
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---CraigA on 4/15/12


Kathr, you are tangling yourself when you are reading. He never said you did not have to be born again. In fact He said,
"According to the Scriptures, when one repent towards God and believe in Jesus Christ, it's simply because the Father has drawn the sinner through regeneration." Which means that he has to be made alive by God in order for him to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. If you cannot understand that you can understand nothing.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/12


Mark V, **His plan all through history**
He had to drowned a whole world,rain down fire on Sodom,Kill all Egyptian first born,sacrifice His own Son,see Christians killed for sport in Roman arenas (for 300 years)witness the Roman inquisition,see 6 million Jews cremated by Hitler ?
While we await Armageddon!
Some "plan" this god of yours,frankly it sucks!
If you can't comprehend that this is the result of "free will" making continuous bad choises, then you are seriously blind!
---1st_cliff on 4/15/12


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Jospeh has it right, God will accomplish all his will inspite of mankinds obedience or disobedience. All people are given freewill and freedom of choice to do whatsoever they desire. God's control is seen when people obey him and receive the rewards, and also seen when people disobey him and receive the consequences. Just as when a parent instructs a child what to do, the child has the freedom to obey or else to disobey, but the fact remains, the parent is the one in charge and not the child whom receives direction from the parent.
---Eloy on 4/15/12


I must reiterate, God does not give anyone POWER to believe. Not before salvation or even after salvation. The POWER that works through us is HIS POWER as we surrender to His will.

God does not FORCE you by His POWER to obey. Obedience as obedience of faith is exactly that, OBEDIENCE of Faith.

Obedience is OUR responsibility. If God forced obedience on you before salvation or after salvation, then those saved would be perfectly obedient and NEVER AGAIN SIN.

We sin even after we are saved because WE disobey. That is why God chasten us. If God is also responsible to force his power to OBEY, then why chastizement.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/12


Now I can fully appreciate the words of Christ when He told the Jews, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

This is the order of salvation:
1. God must first love you, that's why He elects
2. You come into this world born in sin and dead in the spirit
3. He calls you and BY HIS POWER, HE REGENERATES (BORN OF THE SPIRIT) your dead spirit!

"insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Can the elect be deceived? IMPOSSIBLE!
---christan on 4/15/12


Paul did not say "one must have POWER FROM GOD TO BELIEVE" and neither did I. This is what Romans 1:16 says, "for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes". There's a great difference to what you say and what Paul says.christan///

Well PRAISE GOD christan. You just denounced your own TULIP doctrine.

You just blew Calvin out of the water by declaring one does NOT have to be Born Again First (POWER) in order to believe.

If you keep at these guys, FINALLY they will get themselves so tangled up in their own web of lies, they themself even FORGET what they believe.

So call me all the names you want. You're angry because you don't like being challenged.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/12


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1Cliff, you are trying to throw me a loaded question, but it's no problem. There was no such thing as time or date. That is my answer. Before there was ever such a thing as time, God's decided to create the plan He created, and it was purely a soverign act on His part, cause by nothing outside Himself. The unfolding of His plan is what we are seeing all through history.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/12


Faith to believe is of the Lord does not recite within unbelievers. Man cannot create that faith from within. When a sinner is made alive together with Christ, he receives faith to believe. God is the Author and finisher of our faith. It is not of works lest anyone should boast. If you boast faith is from you, you are not saved by the grace of God. Faith to believe and repentance are gifts of God.
"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will"
---Mark_V. on 4/15/12


According to the Scriptures, when one repent towards God and believe in Jesus Christ, it's simply because the Father has drawn the sinner through regeneration. That's true salvation. No other ways as some would like to imagine and propagate.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)" Ephesians 2:4,5

See anywhere Paul teaches you that you have to believe first and God will save you? Nope, don't see it anywhere's in the other Scriptures either. Nothing confusing about what Christ declares and Paul teaches, they are one and the same.
---christan on 4/15/12


CRIAGA - 4/14/12 - That scripture you gave proves faith is not a work ?

1 THESSALIONIANS 1,3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith,and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of GOD and our Father.

( After a person becomes saved they do good works like having faith and believing )
---RICHARDC on 4/15/12


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John 15:4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine, no more can ye, except ye abide in me."
John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Is abiding and keeping a work?
Is this an example of God's control, that he requires of us to abide and to keep so that we bear fruit and abide in his love?
---Nana on 4/15/12


I'm sure you can't see what Paul is saying. But you claim you have to belief and God must reward you with eternal life, that's not grace but works! "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth". As for you, it's your own power to believe.
---christan on 4/14/12


christan, by your own words you rebuked craigA stating As for you, it's your own POWER TO BELIEVE."

Now you want to deny you said it??


AAA but don't you say you are re-birthed FIRST TO BELIEVE?

Seems if anyone questions christan, lee1538 wants to jump in like some senile bed wetter to defend his own CLICK.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/12


I'm sure you can't see what Paul is saying. But you claim you have to belief and God must reward you with eternal life, that's not grace but works!---Christan

That scripture you just gave proves faith is not a work. We dont "deserve" a thing but God is a keeper of his promises and that is the ONLY reason we now have life. He does not lie. He cannot deny himself. He is holy.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and (what?)....JUST to forgive us.

Have you ever asked yourself why God is JUST in forgiving?
---CraigA on 4/14/12


Paul did not say "one must have POWER FROM GOD TO BELIEVE" and neither did I. This is what Romans 1:16 says, "for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes". There's a great difference to what you say and what Paul says.

You remind me of the account in Eden. God warned Adam, "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" and what did the serpent tell the woman? "You will not surely die".

See the similarity between the serpent words and yours? Amazingly similar. And you accuse others of twisting the Word of God when you're truly the champion of what you accuse others of doing. Wow!
---christan on 4/14/12


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Please. let's not give Christian a hard time here. He is by far the wisest and most astute person ever to appear on this site.
---John.usa on 4/15/12


hello!family of God,this to Sis.Linda Helm wonderfull your blogg,helpfull 'n since recently,having health issues takes me twice as long,just want to say excellant way you write about forgiveness.Thankyou! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/15/12


In viewing this forum thread it grieves me to see someone like Kathryn degenerate it into personal attacks against other Christians.

Apparently she has problems that require the help of a professional counselor.

Maybe she has reached that age where there is no longer any possibility of bearing children?

Cantankerous! as she picks fights with everone on this forum.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12


Mark V,You didn't answer my question= When (date)did heaven and hell become an issue?
At what point,after the creation of Adam and Eve, did spiritual replace physical life here on earth?
---1st_cliff on 4/15/12


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Sounds like you're taking any verses you can and hoping you can nail them together to make a case.

It's "The POWER OF THE WORD". The WORD of God is Living and powerful than a two edge sword.

You want us to believe YOU personally had a relationship with the Father who GAVE YOU POWER IN YOUR SINFUL STATE TO believe in Jesus.

This is a very interesting but FALSE doctrine.

No one can even cofme to the FATHER except FIRST through His Son. Are YOU the exception OR have you taken scripture out of cotext?

You're taken John 6 totally of CONTEXT. God was NEVER a FATHER to Gentiles. John 6 is talking to Jews.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/12


Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


Israel, not any other , had a Father son relationship. God had no such relationship with any other Nation or People.

John 6 is talkig to JEWS. Jesus also clarifies, THOSE who have been TAUGHT of the FAther , come to me....It DOES NOT say, Those who have been GIVEN POWER by the Father come to me.

Being TAUGHT is those who HEARD the truth. Faith comes by HEARING, not by POWER.

Cause and effect.

You just don't toot BEFORE you eat the beans.

---kathr4453 on 4/15/12


How true when Christ told His disciples, "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." John 15:17,18

---
---christan on 4/14/12


You may very well be one of them who only honors with their lips.

Paul testifies, "Nothing matters but the New Creature, stating, I AM CRUCIFIED to the world and the world to me. I am Crucified with Christ"

AHHHHH now the TRUTH of what Jesus said is manifest.

Did YOU crawl over some other way christan????
---kathr4453 on 4/15/12


"Go do your PUFF DADDY act in someone elses face. It's odeous to me!"

You have been contradicted by the Word numerous times on your erroneous understanding and you react the only way an unregenerate is supposed to.

How true when Christ told His disciples, "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." John 15:17,18

Jesus did say, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."
---christan on 4/14/12


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My, my, the place is filled with smoke and hot gas when some talks. Let's analyse what Paul says slowly, "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"

Isn't it clear (unless one is blowing smoke and gas), that Paul is saying when someone belief in Christ, it's the power of God that causes them to believe? So, what is this power of God? Jesus declares, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

And why does the sinner need to be drawn first? "who were dead in trespasses and sins" is your answer. DEAD! The Spirit of God needs to raise you from the DEAD! That's the power of God!
---christan on 4/14/12


--- As for you, it's your own power to believe.
---christan on 4/14/12

well belief is one thing ...salvation is quite another. SEE how christan takes words and double talks, twists?

The Verse doesn't say POWER TO BELIEVE does it. It says power unto Salvation....to those who believe.

you can fool some of the people some of the time, all the people some of the time, but not all people all the time. You don't FOOL me!

You really have to watch EVERY word of these guys. Twist twist twist. The author of lies and confusion is SATAN, not God.

Again, more proof christan was blinded by another light, and that light was NOT the light of the Gospel unto salvation.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/12


WHAT verse says one must have POWER FROM GOD TO BELIEVE? NO such scripture exists.

Remember Thomas, who said, I won't believe ( Jesus resurrection) until I see Him)...and Jesus said, Blessed are those who DON'T SEE BUT BELIEVE.

Did Jesus rebuke Thomas, one of Jesus own elect? YES! Did Jesus say...Oh but Thomas, your the elect, I gave you POWER TO BELIEVE..why aren't you using that special power I have the elect only to believe I rose again?( was He not also seen by over 500???)BEFORE pentecost?

The more these guys talk, the funnier it gets. AND the more obvious it gets they do not believe scripture and are not saved at all ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE which God's Word is the final and only authority here.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/12


Christan, when you toot, did GOD create that power? Did He MAKE YOU TOOT? OR is it maybe those baked beans you ate that created in you gasses that created the power to TOOT! But You still had the power to hold it in, or let it out. God didn't Make you or FORCE you to let it out.

The same goes for the Gospel. When man hears the Gospel, the POWER OF GOD'S WORD, emPOWERED by the Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus. The SEED of those words upon our heart and soul and conscience create a REACTION within us.

The power is God's word. But no power is in effect on one until one hears, in otherwords the conscience injusts. The OUTCOME is what we do WITH what we have injested.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/12


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"Jesus said that if we believe in him we will have eternal life. So when a man puts his trust in Jesus Christ, God is simply fulfilling his promise to give us a new life." CraigA

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:4,5

I'm sure you can't see what Paul is saying. But you claim you have to belief and God must reward you with eternal life, that's not grace but works! "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth". As for you, it's your own power to believe.
---christan on 4/14/12


THIS is teh verse of TRUTH christan and company don't believe and don't want you to KNOW. SATAN has blinded their eyes. NOT GOD. And the HOPE of that LIGHT is the Gospel, not election.


2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Also christan, animals do not have a soul, which contain the WILL, conscience and intellect of man. Man was not originally created a SPIRIT as was/is God, man was made out of the dust of the earth, and God breathed in man a LIVING SOUL not spirit

The SOUL that sinnneth IT shall die.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/12


christan, what do those verses have to do with proving YOU see the light, and prove You are saved? It doesn't. Even satan can appear as an angel of LIGHT, and you have no way of proving it wasn't THAT light you saw.

If we believe with our HEART God raised Jesus from the dead, thou shall be saved.

I know you must HATE that verse. It doesn't say if you believe with your newly rebirthed SPIRIT you KNOW you are the elect.

The Heart is not the spirit is it? Where does it say our hearts AKA CONSCIENCE DIED at the fall? How can one seer an already dead conscience? Impossible!

Careful folks, christan is teaching new-age gnosticism.

christan, Go do your PUFF DADDY act in someone elses face. It's odeous to me!
---kathr4453 on 4/14/12


"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" and yet Jesus Christ reveals to us, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." So, what does "our image" really means? That man is part God? Obviously not, because man after Adam is fallen and "dead in sin and trespasses."

Simply put, Paul teaches, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Which Matthew 1:23 reveals that the presence of Christ was "God with us" in the flesh.
---christan on 4/14/12


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Just because God created man with no 'free-will' embedded in them, some in total darkness equate the man with robots. Seriously? Does a robot eat, sleep, show emotions, bleed blood or bruise? Does a robot even have a soul or spirit? So, the analogy of the man without 'free-will' is compared to a robot is as someone say, ludicrous.

And these people call themselves Christians. Here's what Christ describe such, "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"
---christan on 4/14/12


Wicked men also twist the image of God so they can feel comfortable hating others and deceive themselves into believing they still have eternal life. All done under the guise of honoring "Gods sovereignty"

If we do not extend the same forgiveness and mercy that God has shown us through Christ we will not be forgiven.
---LindaHelm on 4/14/12


God is the Almighty who kneels to no one, and answers to no one, and is defeated by no one. But men try to bring Him down from the throne. The wicked everyday do as naturaly hate the Divine perfection of God which proof that their carnal minds is enmity against God (Rom.8:7) They wish there was no witnessof their sin, no searcher of their hearts, no judge of their deeds. They seek to banish such a God from their thoughts. But they consider not in their hearts that He remember all their wickedness (Hosea 7:2).
---Mark_V. on 4/14/12


Again, if God has to save you because you belief, God is in debt of your obedience---Christan

What kind of logic is that?

God is in NO way obligated to do ANYTHING for us....except for what his PROMISES guarantee us. God cannot lie!

Jesus said that if we believe in him we will have eternal life. So when a man puts his trust in Jesus Christ, God is simply fulfilling his promise to give us a new life.
---CraigA on 4/14/12


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1Cliff, you project has no spiritual significance. What is spiritual about dominion over animals? What is spiritual about marrying and multiplying? None whatsoever. It is all worldly just like your whole project and in the end you want life.
No spiritual rebirth, no spiritual baptism, not a part of the spiritual body of Christ, Christ Spirit not in you. But don't worry, many other so call Christians believe what you do, only they don't have the guts to say it right out like you do, they just pick one here and one there, a day at a time. You are different, you admit it so not a hypocrite.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/12


God created man after His own image, totally intelligent beings. Your the one who brings God down to some level of having limited power and ability by giving Him only enough power and ability to create robots. EVEN MAN CAN CREATE ROBOTS to do and say exactly what man wants them to do and say.

Interesting documentary about WATSON the ROBOT. Although being programmed to be and know as much as was programmed into it, could NEVER compare to MAN or compete with man.

Thank you Lord for showing us what ROBOTS are and are not capable of.

WATSON has no free will. Watson has no conscience, or feelings, sense of humor etc.

WATSON was not created after the image of GOD!
---kathr4453 on 4/14/12


Mark V, **if there is no hell what are you saved from** answer =death!Jn.3.16.
**your project has no spiritual significance**
God said "be fruitful multiply..have dominion over the animals" What's spiritual about that? Where's the heaven or hell in this mandate?
When did heaven or hell become an issue?Date please!
---1st_cliff on 4/13/12


How does a sinner "show faith in Christ"? Adam was void of faith and one can manufacture "faith" within yourself? Paul declared, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God".

Pointless talking about "faith" when one don't give glory to God on where the "faith" came from? "believing in Christ" is because one's "faith was given by God through grace". You can't say it is because you don't belief Paul that it's "the gift of God"

Again, if God has to save you because you belief, God is in debt of your obedience, which Paul teaches is not the case in Romans and Galatians 3,4.
---christan on 4/13/12


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"Well, let's remember too GOD did not build the Titanic. Nor is there any evidence He was the engineer who told man how to build it"

Again, "unbelief" is demonstrated so clearly. That's because John tells us, "All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made." Doesn't this encompass "good and evil"? John adds on "A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." These are without exceptions!

Isaiah was even more specific declaring, "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country" Wasn't the engineer of the Titanic "executing God's counsel" like Noah did?
---christan on 4/13/12


In the RMS Titanic disaster, I believe that GOD wanted people to learn the Bad outcomes of some People's: Stupid, Careless, Unrealistic, and BLASPHEMOUS thinking.
---Sag on 4/12/12

Well, let's remember too GOD did not build the Titanic. Nor is there any evidence He was the engineer who told man how to build it, (like Noah and the ark.) God DID control the ARK.

Does God control rape and murder? MARKV, if He does, then YOu are refusing to FORGIVE GOD for whatever you are holding unforgivness against man. GOD allowed it didn't HE. He didn't ALLOW it and ask you to hold unforgivness against HIM for it!





---kathr4453 on 4/13/12


--What's truly remarkable is many comment about who they think God is and what He can and cannot do.--Christan

You mean like claiming that God cant save a man because he shows faith in Jesus Christ but must instead save him before he even hears the gospel?
---CraigA on 4/13/12


If he does, he is a sadist.
---atheist on 4/12/12

That is because you want to blame God for the bad things when it is not his fault his creation does not want to obey HIM.

When you start to realize that bad things happen because mankind is sinful and disobedient you will realize that God is real and he does love you!
He allows bad things to happen to teach us that we need him and he knows best. If everyone would obey God and live in Christ, bad things would not happen. WIth the exception of weather patterns and such.
---ginger on 4/13/12


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What's truly remarkable is many comment about who they think God is and what He can and cannot do. God has clearly revealed to us who He is and who we are before Him. As it is written:

"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:35

And one thinks that the Titanic sank and the WTC attack happened outside His will? "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11
---christan on 4/13/12


"Does God control every situation that happens on earth?"
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will. Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times [things] that are not [yet] done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure.' " Eph 1:11>Isa 46:10
---Josef on 4/13/12


1Cliff, first, it was not a project God made. He made a plan. Second, your project has no spiritual significance whatsoever, it is worldly. What purpose would it serve God? Third, your project has holes. The 'destroyer' tore it to pieces. So God started another project to stop the leak. Then God sends His Son to stop the leak so that you can have a good night sleep, not to save His people and bring spiritual life to them for eternity. Since there is no heaven or hell in your project. You live eat marry and die, with no hope for eternal life. Sorry, that it is only a project to you. I can see why you argue about all spiritual matters and most of Scripture. If there is no hell, what are you saved from?
---Mark_V. on 4/13/12


God lit the fuse for the Big Bang at started everything eons ago and can micro manage anything that he might care to, but as is initial plan was perfect does he need to.
---Blogger9211 on 4/13/12


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\\That quote reportedly came from the Chaplain who Christened the Unsinkable RMS Titanic.\\

And the report is wrong.

Ships are christened, usually by having a bottle of champagne broken on the bow--and usually by a woman, NOT a clergyman.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/12


If he does, he is a sadist.
---atheist on 4/12/12


Nice story Sag, but there is no proof anyone said this, much less a Chaplain who christened it.
---NurseRobert on 4/12/12


Sag,1514people dead as an object lesson??
totally innocent victims??
**depends on what you mean by control** Cluny!
Reminds me of Bill Clinton "It all depends on what "Is" is!
---1st_cliff on 4/12/12


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God has the last word in every situation. For example, Joseph's brothers through Joseph down a hole, but God saved him. Pharoah killed the Israelite male children, and cursed the firstborn, but God saved the Israelite children and instead killed Pharoah's and all the Edgyptian's firstborns. Nebuchadnezzar threw the three Israelites into the firey furnace, but God saved them. Daniel was thrown into the lion's den, but God saved him. Jesus was slain on the cross, but he was raised back up from the dead: "Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord God delivers us out of them all."
---Eloy on 4/12/12


In 1912, the RMS Titanic was claimed to be the ship that:

"GOD Himself Couldn't Sink!"

That quote reportedly came from the Chaplain who Christened the Unsinkable RMS Titanic.

The fact that the RMS Titanic DID Sink proves:

(1) People are only mortal human beings.

(2) GOD does: ALLOW, PERMIT, LET, etc. Bad situations and events to take place. Everything happens for a reason. Often, we just don't understand WHY.

In the RMS Titanic disaster, I believe that GOD wanted people to learn the Bad outcomes of some People's: Stupid, Careless, Unrealistic, and BLASPHEMOUS thinking.
---Sag on 4/12/12


Depends on what you mean by "control."

If you are asking if God micormanages everything, I don't believe that.

Nor do I believe that He is responsible for my sins or those of others, which is the direction micormanages goes.

But I DO believe that neither my infirmities nor my sins will frustrate His purposes, and no matter how badly I mess things up in my own life, God will bring good out of it both for His own glory my my sanctification, if I let Him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/12


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