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Old Covenant Feasts

Do the Old Covenant Feasts (Lev. 23) have any relevance to the church today? I read where some Sabbaterian groups are establishing what they call synagogues in order to observe these feasts.

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yohannes, what are you talking about?
---Rod4Him on 6/25/12


Hello!

Had Paul spoken that 2 others should interpret Prophecy? Was the 'law' require of Gentiles regarding Feasts through The Apostles?

Would not this be Coverings for such groups as motive? Thus, Paul was 'not' giving Clothes concerning 'other' groups?

Feast of Weeks, every Week, every 7 Millennium(s) and 10. Every 7 years and multiplied to be Fruitful in 7.

49 x 10

Feast of Ingathering/FirstFFruits

Feast of Tabernacles: to be celebrated in The Millennium through Leadership which Wild Animals were allowed to continue for a time, but their power was not the same was Daniel.

4 Animalia Empires coming from the Sea
---yohannes_estoniesque on 6/24/12


Yes, I think the Old Covenant Feasts have relevance today. However, not in the sense of religious works. They could help christians understand their religious roots of history better. Many times in the OT God told the Hebrews to set up memorials and feasts so that the people would "remember" events that happened, usually how God had provided.

The blog question is a bit like asking, does the OT have relevance today?
---Rod4Him on 6/24/12


Follow Christ, not feasts nor days nor foods, but follow Christ.
---Eloy on 6/23/12


Christ Called for all to observe these feasts and so to his Prophets, But the old sly fox slipped in amongst the sheep twisting the gospels using scripture to undo scripture.

A great example of this is using Romans 14 to undo the Sabbath as Lee famously tried to do in a previous blog forgetting that the whole scripture is talking about those who eat meat from herbs:

* Regarding a day, and those... regarding not a day to the Lord.

FORGETTING:

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, [[[then would he not afterward have spoken of another day]]].

Heb 4:9 [[[There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.]]]]

case ova!!!!


Shalom Xxx
---Carla on 6/23/12




Sin would include lies.
---francis on 4/25/12

a lie of omission is still a lie.
---aka on 4/25/12
I think that we agree
---francis on 4/26/12


Sin would include lies.
---francis on 4/25/12

a lie of omission is still a lie.
---aka on 4/25/12

Christ told those he healed not to mention it to anyone. Apparently secrecy isnt the same as deception
---CraigA on 4/25/12


Sin would include lies.
---francis on 4/25/12

a lie of omission is still a lie.
---aka on 4/25/12


neither of which were in your half quote of scripture.
---aka on 4/25/12

Explain how what you quoted differ from what I quoted?

keeping in mind that when we talk about the leaven or the feast of unleavened bread we are talking about removing sin from our life. Sin would include lies.
---francis on 4/25/12


//So while we do not have any special day for those feasts, they become part of our everyday life as righteousness by faith// francis

so, does service to the less fortunate...even more so.

but, let me begin and finish the scripture that you half quoted:

1Co 5:7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1Co 5:8 Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

sincerity and truth...neither of which were in your half quote of scripture.
---aka on 4/25/12




Whether ro not we observe the literal day, we are living in those days:

Christ must still cleanse the sanctuary ( day of atonement)
Christ is still our passover (passover feast)
We continue to have the holy spirit (pentecost)
We are in the last days*( feast of trumpets)
We are urgued to put away sin (feast of unleavened bread)

So while we do not have any special day for those feasts, they become part of our everyday life as righteousness by faith

1 Cor 5:7 Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast,
---francis on 4/25/12


//are they required? The answer is of course no. However, is it still an IDEA we can subscribe to, and I think that answer to be yes.//

why subscribe to an idea that is not required? we spend so many rituals every saturday and sunday in buildings recreating something that we know little of. but, we do know what service is...feed the hungry, help the poor, visit the parent-less, elderly, and sick. we spend so few resources on those things because we are stretched from those guilting us into shadows passed by that are not required.
---aka on 4/24/12


David_White on 4/23/12
Good post
---francis on 4/24/12


The old feasts are seeing a new interest in many parts of America. The question is as I understand the question posed here: are they required? The answer is of course no. However, is it still an IDEA we can subscribe to, and I think that answer to be yes. In Deuteronomy Moses commanded the people to remember the special times they as a people and as tribes and families saw the special leading of the lord. That is a wonderful idea for any time not just OT Hebrews. Many churches are exploring the reasons behind the feasts, and finding new exciting ways to praise God for his leading in establishing new feasts of rememberance.
---David_White on 4/23/12


I believe from the time of GALATIANS,( we know Paul addressed these in Galatains anyway), there have always been these groups. Messianic Jews, who are actually 99% Gentiles.

The appeal is all the pomp and ceremony appeal to the FLESH. I believe Paul calls this "WILL" worship. Self WILL worship.

It's BIG, and getting bigger, as we see apostasy on the rise.

---kathr4453 on 4/22/12


---lee1538 on 4/19/12
Leviticus 16:16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins

Leviticus 16:30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your SINS before the LORD.

So leej can we agree that on the day of atonement the tabarnacle was cleansed from the peoples sins?
---francis on 4/20/12


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I'm not asking what you would like to think, francis.

I'm asking for the OFFICIAL SDA teaching on the heavenly sea.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/12

NONE

This is a reference to the passage of israel through God's choosen path, the red sea.
---francis on 4/20/12


\\I would like to think that the sea is the way through which God led israel. What you youthink?\\

I'm not asking what you would like to think, francis.

I'm asking for the OFFICIAL SDA teaching on the heavenly sea.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/12


//So leej can we agree on the day of atonement the tabarnacle was cleansed from the peoples sins?
---
So francis can we not agree that Jesus, "by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified"? Hebrews 10:14

All these Old Covenant sacrifices, ceremonials and rituals merely foretold the ministry of Christ, and are no longer applicable to His church.

And in having the penalty for our sins paid for at the Cross, the only sacrifice that we can offer is "to present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, and not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of [our] mind, that by testing [one] may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.Romans 12:1-2
---lee1538 on 4/20/12


I would suppose that they sent the cleaning lady in every once in a while as the dust, scorpions, spider and other unwelcomes constantly invaded the tabernacle.
---lee1538 on 4/19/12
Leviticus 16:16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins

Leviticus 16:30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your SINS before the LORD.

So leej can we agree that on the day of atonement the tabarnacle was cleansed from the peoples sins?
---francis on 4/20/12


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//What did they cleanse the earthly sanctuary of?

I would suppose that they sent the cleaning lady in every once in a while as the dust, scorpions, spider and other unwelcomes constantly invaded the tabernacle.

Jesus became the temple and He is only 'entered' through the blood that was shed on our behalf.

Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Sorry Ruben, but Jesus did not need to be re-sacrificed.
---lee1538 on 4/19/12


Cleanse the heavenly sanctuary? Of what? Do not tell me sin, because there is no sin in heaven nor is sin something that has a material attribute.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12\\
What did they cleanse the earthly sanctuary of?

With what did they cleanse it?

Who cleansed it?

What was the earthly sanctuary a shadow of?
---francis on 4/19/12


Therefore, according to this logic, there must be a heavenly sea as well, but I've never been able to pin them down on it. Can you?
---Cluny on 4/19/12

I would like to think that the sea is the way through which God led israel. What you youthink?

Psalms 77:19 Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known.

Psalms 77:20 Thou leddest thy people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron.
---francis on 4/19/12


\\Cleanse the heavenly sanctuary? Of what? Do not tell me sin, because there is no sin in heaven nor is sin something that has a material attribute.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12\\

What I want to know is what is the SDA doctrine about the heavenly sea.

They use Psalm 77:13 to prove their doctrine of the heavenly sanctuary, but the same Psalm in v 13 says, "Thy way is in the sea."

Therefore, according to this logic, there must be a heavenly sea as well, but I've never been able to pin them down on it. Can you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/19/12


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Cleanse the heavenly sanctuary? Of what? Do not tell me sin, because there is no sin in heaven nor is sin something that has a material attribute.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12

Unless I am mistaken, sin started in heaven with Lucifer.

In addition to that, the bible speaks about these many books in which our deeds good or bad are recorded. It speaks about god blotting out names
---francis on 4/19/12


Cleanse the heavenly sanctuary? Of what? Do not tell me sin, because there is no sin in heaven nor is sin something that has a material attribute.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 9:23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
---francis on 4/18/12


francis// sorta disagree. because Christ is still the high priest

Yes, under the New Covenant, Jesus became our High Priest.

//Christ must still cleanse the sanctuary (day of atonement)

Cleanse the heavenly sanctuary? Of what? Do not tell me sin, because there is no sin in heaven nor is sin something that has a material attribute.

//Christ is still our passover (passover feast) We continue to have the holy spirit (pentecost)

And the mark of the Christian is the indwelling Holy Spirit, Romans 8:9 not the observance of the OT sabbath.

//We are urgued to put away sin (feast of unleavened bread)

yes, and walk by His Spirit not by the law. For the rightous live by faith Gal. 3:11.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12


While I maintain that the church is under the New covenant, only the moral principles in the Old Covenant are applicable and a guide for moral Christian living.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12
I sorta disagree. because Christ is still the high priest
Christ must still cleanse the sanctuary ( day of atonement)
Christ is still our passover (passover feast)
We continue to have the holy spirit (pentecost)
We are in the last days*( feast of trumpets)
We are urgued to put away sin (feast of unleavened bread)

So while we do not have any special day for those feasts, they become part of our everyday life as righteousness by faith

1 Cor 5:7 Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast,..
---francis on 4/16/12


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//By the way leej, let me say that this was a good topic. I would rather like to see what you have to say on the feasts as they relate to christian life.

I can do that tomorrow.

These feasts - festivals are of mutual interest and benefit. However they have been fulfilled in Christ and have not been observed by the church since its conception.

It is still my opinion that they hide the gospel message as most rituals and ceremonials do just that.

The fundamental issue in modern day feast keeping lies in how one understands the covenants. While I maintain that the church is under the New covenant, only the moral principles in the Old Covenant are applicable and a guide for moral Christian living.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12


Francis //according to the bible, the sanctuary is a perfect schoolmaster of the ways of God.

In context, the law in Galatians 3 is not the so-called sanctuary law but the law that reflects sin.

Gal. 3:21-22 Is the law (and the type of law here is not specified so we can believe it refers to all the law)then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12


Granted these observance may benefit someone that is a knowledgeable Christian but again, they really do not help much with overcoming the carnal desires of the flesh.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12

Psalms 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God, then understood I their end.

Psalms 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

Psalms 63:2 To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.

according to the bible, the sanctuatry isa perfect schoolmaster of the ways of God

By the way leej, let me say that this was a good topic. I would rather like to see what you have to say on the feasts as they relate to christian life
---francis on 4/16/12


Francis - If one that had little or no knowledge of the Bible were to walk into an Adventist synagogue when they were performing one of the modified OT festivals, it is very doubtful that such a person would hear the gospel.

The gospel is NOT the OT festivals nor will they ever lead one to a saving knowledge of Christ.

Granted these observance may benefit someone that is a knowledgeable Christian but again, they really do not help much with overcoming the carnal desires of the flesh.

Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12


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One major problem with these types of rituals is that they tend to hide the gospel message as the focus is on other things than on Jesus.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12

These feast placed the focus directly on christ.

We see that one who is inocent as a lamb must pay for our sins

We are not able to cleanse ourself from sin, It is only the true high priest who has no sin who can cleanse us from sin

every single feast pointed to a work that only Jesus could do for our salvation

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end (GOAL) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
---francis on 4/16/12


No, I disagree with you. Rituals, ceremonials and the like do more to hide the gospel than to reveal it. Anyone that does not have knowledge of what these things represent will not benefit at all.

The verse in Galatians 3:24. Notice the word "was" is past tense and verse 25 tells us that we no longer need the schoolmaster once we are justified by faith.

Wherefore the law WAS our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

A religion that emphasizes rituals and ceremonials is one that will hide the gospel of Jesus Christ, much like the Roman Church has already done.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12


These feats did not hide the gospel message. They revealed the gospel message until Jesus

Take the feast of passover.

When the death angel say the blood of the lamb. It " passed over" the hosue of those who had the blood.

To us as christains we understand that this blood is the blood of christ where by we are saved. Because of his shed blood we shall not die

It did not hide the gospel it was outr schoolmaster teaching the gospel until Jesus came
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
---francis on 4/16/12


francis//Tell how they apply to christain faith and the plan of redeemption
---
While one has the right to observe any religious feast one wants, it is a departure from the traditions of the church to observe these OT feasts and it is certainly a departure from traditional Adventism to observe the OT feasts.

One major problem with these types of rituals is that they tend to hide the gospel message as the focus is on other things than on Jesus.

Of course, Adventism is not known to lead people to Christ but attempts more so to lead Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath and back under the law.



---lee1538 on 4/15/12


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I have done a good job of pointing out as many feasts as i care to mention and how they help our faith, teach the gospel, and lead us to righteousness by faith.

There are still a few intellegent christians on christainet I hope you guys post a few more rather than go into the usual anti SDA mode.

The feast of booths, feast of first fruits and so on.

Tell how they apply to christain faith and the plan of redeemption
---francis on 4/15/12


Francis - So you think that I am lying when I stated some Adventists are establishing what they call synagogues?

"It's encouraging to see that 12 new [Adventist] synagogues have recently been formed in North America. It's a precious experience to participate in a worship service that has its roots in a service similar to the type Jesus attended during His life on earth." from a article in Adventist Review 2004.

Elsewhere in the article, you will find reference to a 'synagogue' at Andrews University.

Apparently you refuse to investigate this allegation since you are content to be blind to the truth.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12


//No christian is obligated to observe these feast literally. Yet the bibie says that we are free to observe them if we want.

Yes, I believe Romans 14 does confirm that much, however with all these rituals and junk the gospel becomes more and more hidden.

It is doubtful if such observances really contribute to anyones spiritual growth.

Col. 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
---lee1538 on 4/14/12


---lee1538 on 4/14/12
No christian is obligated to observe these feast literally. Yet the bibie says that we are free to observe them if we want.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

We can observe them without a sacrifice and remember them for their spiritual implication just as paul did in the new testement:

1 Cor 5:7 Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast ( of unleavened bread), not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
---francis on 4/14/12


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Francis do you agree that Christians are not under any obligation to observe the OT feasts? We notice that if one is to observe these feasts, then there must be animal sacrifices associated with them. So if you cannot observe these feasts in accordance to their prescribed procedure, then all you have is something of your own creation, much like how you observe the Jewish Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 4/14/12


//the CONTEXT of the passage does not suggest OT feast. But rather that they returned to what they knew before they knew God.

The 'we' in Galatians 4:3 refers to those in Judaism, not to those who were pagans.

The words 'rudiments or elements of the world' in Galatians 4:3 is also found in Colossians 2:20-23

If ye died with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do ye subject yourselves to ORDINANCES, Handle not, nor taste, nor touch (all which things are to perish with the using), after the precepts and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility, and severity to the body, but are not of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.
---lee1538 on 4/14/12



---lee1538 on 4/13/12
the CONTEXT of the passage does not suggest OT feast. But rather that the returned to what they knew before they knew God.


Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the "ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD:" Howbeit then, when ye "knew not God, YE DID SERVICE unto them which by nature ARE NO gods." But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, "HOW TURN YE AGAIN" to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

HOW TURN YE AGAIN to what? Elements of the world, services to gods that are no gods,...suggest return to thier ways before they knew God
---francis on 4/14/12


FEAST OF TRUMPETS

Feast of trumpets come shortly before the day of atonement. It is the last call for individaul to make things right with God before the day of atonement. Once the day of atonement has come, only those who has the blood placed on the veil in the sanctuay will be cleaned from thier sins.

The feast of trumpets is a reminder to us as christians to 2 Peter 1:10 give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment ( as done on the day of atonement) must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
---francis on 4/14/12


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Francis //It is doubtfull that what Galatians speaks of are God's feast days.

This was in the preface of one of my Bibles and seems to echo the consensus of view.

"Certain Judaizing teachers had infiltrated the churches of Galatia which Paul had previously founded, declaring that in addition to having faith in Jesus Christ, a Christian was obligated to keep the Mosaic law. Paul insists that a person becomes right with God only by faith in Christ and not by the performance of good works, ritual observances, and the like (2:16, 3:24-25, 5:1, 6:12-15)".

Are not the OT feasts really part of the Mosaic law?
---lee1538 on 4/13/12


---lee1538 on 4/13/12
Where in ANY of my post did you get that adventism is moving towards these feast?

It is doubtfull that what galation speaks of are Gods feast days.
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the "elements of the world:" Howbeit then, when ye "knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods." But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how "turn ye again" to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Sounds more like the GENTILES TURNED AGAIN to thier pagan feast and days
---francis on 4/13/12


I am very glad that I brought this issue up regarding OT festivals. For one thing, most of us need to know more about them and how they pointed forward to the ministry of Christ.

While Francis will reveal to us, how Adventism is now moving toward observing these feasts with a 'Christianized' version (they cannot do animal sacrifices), it tells us how deeply they are involved in the Galatian heresy.

Man is a religion animal and many love love love love rituals and ceremonies as that is something that makes one feel good.
---lee1538 on 4/13/12


God creates the physical things of this world to teach our finite minds that's void of His wisdom, which helps in explaining to us about rejoicing in God's salvation. Eg, the parable of the wedding feast found in Matt 22:2-14, Lk 14:16-24. And is the Kingdom of God really about eating and drinking, like in the physical feast on earth. No. It's a picture of "rejoicing" that the saints are united in "marriage" with Christ.

Paul remind us, "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Romans 14:17
---christan on 4/12/12


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PASSOVER

Passover first started in Egypt with the death angel passing over the houses on which was placed the blood of the lamb

Jesus christ is our passover lamb. To those who accept the blood of Jesus for their sin, they will not see death. Christ has died for them.
---francis on 4/12/12


I find it interesting that there is currently a movement within Adventism that wants to observe the Jewish feasts but with modifications.

Mainline SDAs have traditional held that the rituals of sacrifice and feast-keepiing were done away with at the Cross, but the 10 commandments are still binding. Feast-keeping SDAs however, believe that only the sacrifices came to an end at the death of Christ and that the feasts, the 100s of statues and judgments, must be kept today.

One wonders if it would be to their advantage to unite with a Messianic congregation or join the break-away Church of God that Herbert W. Armstrong founded.
---lee1538 on 4/12/12


No.

Pesach and Shavout are fulfilled by Pascha and Penetecost.

As for the rest, St. Paul warned the Galatian Gentile Christians about such foolishness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/12


christan //Feasts? Have we run out of theology or doctrines to talk about that we are discussing about feasts? Are you kidding?
---
there is a movement among some groups, mostly Sabbaterians, that are starting to observe the various feasts found only within the OT.

Most Christians have little knowledge of the Jewish feasts or their significance as such were never observed by the church since its conception.

It is really all a game that the religionists play and in doing do, look down on those who will not participate.

Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced, we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
---lee1538 on 4/12/12


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The last day of Unleavened bread is tomorrow, Friday, so no work can be done. "On the seventh day is a holy convocation, you shall not do any laborious work."
---Rod4Him on 4/12/12


DAY OF ATONEMENT
Once a year on the day fo atonement, the high priest would make a special sacrifice for himself and all the people. He would then take the blood of this animal and go int the most holy place, in the very presence of God and make an atonement for the people. By this act the sin of the people and the sanctuary was cleansed.

This feast remind the believer that Christ our high priest also has entered the holiest of holies in the heavenly sanctuary where he started the work of cleansing the sanctuary

Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
---francis on 4/12/12


FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD.
Interesting feast. It involved the removal of leaven from the home. It is closely connected to the passover feast.

To the christian it is a reminder that we must remove all sin from our lives seeing that jesus Christ our passover has been sacrificed for our sin. It calls for believers t live a righteous life

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
---francis on 4/12/12


Pentecost in the OT is about the Holy ghost entering the tabanacle, and the temple.. the offering being accepted. In it also about the offering of Jesus being accepted and the holy ghost coming into the " temple of God."

Let me explain: When Aarom was anointed as high priest, and the offering made then the spirit of God filled the tabanacle. The same thing happened with Solomon's temple.

When jesus takes his place as high priest in the true tabanacle, His sacrifice being accepatable to the father, then at pentecost the holy spirit comes down and filled the church, which is the body fo christ and the temple of the holy spirit

NEXT WE TALK OF FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
---francis on 4/11/12


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Yes, the feast of God have relevance to the church today, but only members of the church can recieve it

Does Independance day in Timbuktu have any relevance today? Yes it does but only to those in Timbuktu.

Likewise the feast of God have revelance to the church today, but only those in the church can see and receive it's relevance
---francis on 4/11/12


"the Lord is very compassionate and merciful." (in James 5:11) Is this what they are getting? As we go through things, we need to be about being compassionate and merciful, instead of judging and blaming and trying to control > instead, endure, the way love has us going through things.

Are their feasts having them feasting on love, feeding on Jesus? "'As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.'" (John 6:57)

"But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." (in 2 Corinthians 10:12) We need to not evaluate ourselves only in comparison to each other and to ones not in our own groups.
---willie_c: on 4/11/12


Feasts? Have we run out of theology or doctrines to talk about that we are discussing about feasts? Are you kidding?
---christan on 4/11/12


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