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How To Recognize False Teacher

Throughout scripture we are warned about FALSE TEACHERS along with those people who are SERVANTS of SATAN, which are masqurading as being of God.

As an individual, how do you recognize these people and avoid being one of their victims?

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"Show one place in scripture in the NEW covenant where God kept a man from repentance."

God doesn't keep anyone from repenting. The lost do not repent. They do not believe in Jesus or their sin against God. Conviction comes from God. Jesus said, "And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, "and men loved darkness rather than light," because their deeds were evil"
Why do you not listen to Jesus Words? Jesus said to that question,
"Because you are "not able" to listen to My word" And here is the reason, "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do" (John 8:43,44).
---Mark_V. on 4/19/12


Rod4Him, Im very glad someone else noticed the contradiction! An apology isnt needed. Im just glad the truth came out so that others can see the root of their beliefs.

If a man doesnt want everyone to be saved because he holds unforgiveness in his heart, he will not worship a God that wants all men to be saved. Or he will change the image of God to ease his guilty conscience.
---LindaH on 4/18/12


Christan, is Hebrews 3 a lie?
---CraigA on 4/18/12


The source of your belief that Augustine was a heretic is impossible to verify let alone track down. No learned scholar has ever accepted your view.

The devil uses his minions to create dissention among Christians and would have us waste our time and resources in tracking down these sources. Obviously you serve that entity.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12


Really lee, you didn't know that was written by a SCHOLAR. Now you have no cloak to hide behind.

My SCHOLAR sources are not deformed theologians, however are theologians and Scholars.

I can READ, and research many many who totally disagree with your scholars.

Deal with IT!
---kathr4453 on 4/18/12


/Kathryn - Unless you have a degree or credentials in scripture or antiquity that can be recognized by like authority I would strongly advise you to shut up.

The source of your belief that Augustine was a heretic is impossible to verify let alone track down. No learned scholar has ever accepted your view.

The devil uses his minions to create dissention among Christians and would have us waste our time and resources in tracking down these sources. Obviously you serve that entity.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12




Christan,
We are all born vessels of dishonour!! Born into Adam.

You seem to be very confused.
Predestination is about those who believe being confromed to CHRIST.
It is all about Christ. Not you, or me.
Christ is the vessel of Honour. He is the only vessel of Honour. He is the only one who ever obeyed God.
We are predestined to be CONFORMED to CHRIST- the chosen seed, the vessel of honour.
I pray for God to open your eyes and see your gross misinterpretation of HIS word.
You give scripture but don't know what it means. You lack God's understanding because you are trying to make His word FIT what you believe. It is not actually this way.
---ginger on 4/18/12


Calvin is continually praising Augustine's work with numerous references and quotations. Augustine was greatly influenced by the Gnostics, an early Christian sect, whose doctrine was heretical. Gnostics believed that mankind was wholly evil, and some sects even renounced marriage and procreation. Their teachings are believed to have influenced Saint Augustine in the development of his theology of the "total depravity" of mankind and his concept of God. For nine years Saint Augustine adhered to Manichaeism, a Persian dualistic philosophy proclaimed by Mani (216-276? AD) in southern Babylonia (Iraq) that taught a doctrine of "total depravity" and the claim that they were the "elect."
---kathr4453 on 4/18/12


/"To the law [of faith and love], and to the testimony [of our Lord Jesus,The Christ]!If they do not speak according to this word,it is because there is no light in them."In other words"Look to God's instructions and teachings!People who contradict his word are completely in the dark." These tend to teach as "doctrine the commandments of men." "(Touch not,taste not,handle not,referring to things which all perish as they are used),according to human precepts and doctrines."Apply rules for others,that they themselves can not,or do not follow. How do I "avoid being one of their victims?"A prayerful study and meditation upon His written word,as I rest in His living Word.--joseph on 4/14/12/---Agree.
---char on 4/18/12


Why do automatically assume that because we dont agree with you we dont know God and arent Christians? Dont you think thats a little childish?

It seems like a defense mechanism because you have your doubts based on scripture that you have been given but aren't humble or honest enough to admit it.
---LindaH on 4/18/12


Christan, again, you grossly misinterpret the Bible and what God says.
It is troubling that people like you call themselves "christian" yet refuse to spread the gospel by assuming that God does not WISH everyman saved. God made every person special with gifts to offer. It is their choice to heed the call or not.
It does not stop God from calling them or drawing them.
Again, God poured out his spirit on all flesh. Prophesied in Joel and fulfilled in Acts. You cannot deny that he draws all men because God is all. Some refuse to listen that is how God can righteously condemn them. When one does not show love, they are not of God.
---ginger on 4/18/12




//You think we really hope for someone to burn in the Lake of Fire when we ourselves are no better than anyone because we are all sinners?//

//I will tell you why. Because Jesus did not die to save the wicked man who molest, torture and kill children. Or those who suck the brains out of an unborn baby with a vacuum cleaner, and those who step on His Word without fear of God. No, Jesus didn't die for those. My heart does not hurt one bit for them. You want them in heaven but they are not going there. Hell is waiting for them. I don't know what spirit is making you feel the way you feel.//

The above was posted on another thread, "What is Sovereign Grace."

Think maybe someone ought to apologize to LindaH.
---Rod4Him on 4/18/12


ginger, Romans 9 has 33 verses which doesn't even come close to what you are saying. Talk about "grossly misinterpreted". Seriously where did you get this from? I know it's not from Paul, most definitely.

The context of Romans 9 is simply about God's Sovereignty in election of those He love and rejection of those He hates. It's true that Adam was a vessel of dishonor. But Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, etc were vessels of honor. Those whom God love before the foundations of the world are vessels of honor. God doesn't change those whom He hates from a vessel of dishonor to a vessel of honor. It's been already decided.

For your information, God's love for His elect is unconditional. Otherwise salvation is not by grace.
---christan on 4/18/12


"some believe in predestination to salvation/damnation is because they themselves actually want people to go to hell..." LindaH

Really? Did you guess this because we use verses in the Scriptures to contradict your erroneous understanding which you have no answers for? You think we really hope for someone to burn in the Lake of Fire when we ourselves are no better than anyone because we are all sinners? And that by speaking the Truth we hate you?

"...wouldnt worship a God who wants to save everyone."

The only kind of god you have here is one of your own imagination. Even after reading Genesis through Revelation, you still come to this conclusion is troubling if you believe you're a Christian.
---christan on 4/18/12


EGW did not speak according to this word.

She said that in her writings, God instructed people more earnestly than in the pages of the Bible.

Therefore, she had no light in her.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/17/12

Can you prove that she is wrong, that God is not giving a more urgent call in these last days:
---francis on 4/18/12


Christan, you have grossly misinterpreted that verse about the vessel of honour and dishonour.
The vessel of dishounor is adam. The one who disobeyed.
The vessel of honour is Christ. The one who obeyed.
Paul says all the time to be in Christ.
We all start out as vessels of dishonour. Born into the image of adam..flesh.
God created BOTH. But he says we can FREELY come and be changed from a vessel of dishonour into on of honour by going to Christ and living IN him.

By the way, notice the word "freely", what do you think "freely" means?
---ginger on 4/18/12


"If the man "can resist the Holy Spirit", who's God, doesn't that make him more powerful than God?"
christan on 4/17/12

No.

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever..."
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..."

A comforter, a guide, really an advisor or a teacher. That being the reason as always that anyone pledging allegiance to God must need learn, "... hath heard, and hath learned of the Father..."
As an individual young or old may grieve his teachers, parents and community, a man may grieve the Spirit (Ephesians 4).
---Nana on 4/18/12


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LindaH, what seems to you in your mind, is very wrong. You judge us for giving you the Truth of Scripture. Your problem is that you don't want to believe what the Word of God says. You have in your mind another way into heaven that you were taught.
We all want to teach the gospel. We don't know who was chosen by God from the foundation of the world. We have no clue who the elect are who are not saved yet. I wish God would have wanted every single person to be saved, but that is only my finite mind speaking. God did not create the plan to my liking. His plan is perfect, and all that He purposed and decreed to happen will happen just as He has said it would. Every decision He made is only becoming reality through history.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/12


"I do not disagree that God must draw the sinner so you two can stop with throwing up John 6:65 all the time." CraigA

You cannot disagree, Scriptures says so. After reading verses 44,65 you still believe your 'free-will' brought you to Christ. Hypocrisy with unbelief!

"What I disagree on is that a man CAN resist the calling of the Holy Spirit"

That's because you believe in 'free-will', making your "confession" all the more a lie. If the man "can resist the Holy Spirit", who's God, doesn't that make him more powerful than God? The 'free-will' doctrine exalts man only and tramples on the grace of God foolishly.
---christan on 4/17/12


"why did God chose Aaron to go with Moses?" CraigA

In your unbelief in predestination and election, your answer can only be 'free-will' skewed. That is, you are going to exalt Aaron over Moses rather than it was in God's will that Aaron was predestined to speak to Pharaoh rather than Moses.

The episode of Moses and Aaron simply demonstrates that God does as He pleases with His creation. Moses sinned when he made excuses to God about him not being able to speak well. Was God caught unawares of this? NO! He's never caught UNAWARE OF ANYTHING, that's because He wrote what will happen. The lives of Moses and Aaron was about God's grace, for they were God's elect.
---christan on 4/17/12


Seems to me that the main reason some believe in predestination to salvation/damnation is because they themselves actually want people to go to hell and wouldnt worship a God who wants to save everyone.
---LindaH on 4/17/12


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Christan, why did God chose Aaron to go with Moses?

What does scripture say?
---CraigA on 4/17/12


"those who crucified Jesus did so because they did not believe Jesus was the Son of God"

And why did they not believe? Simple, it all comes back to "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction" They were created for destruction, plain and simple.

Just like the vessels of honour were created for salvation. Say what you want, God has already predestined who belongs in the vessel of honour and who goes into the vessel of dishonour. Nothing confusing nor complicated in Paul's epistle..
---christan on 4/17/12


Mark, my challenge to you:
Show one place in scripture in the NEW covenant where God kept a man from repentance.

I do not disagree that God must draw the sinner so you two can stop with throwing up John 6:65 all the time.

I do not disagree that God must grant a man repentance (2 Tim 2:25)

What I disagree on is that a man CAN resist the calling of the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 3) and he can also LEAVE God by his heart being hardened thru the deceitfulness of sin and deny the Lord who bought him (2 Peter 2:1)

You cannot ignore scripture just because you dont like what it says.
---CraigA on 4/17/12


God is the Savior of ALL MEN.

But not all will believe that! They will reject Jesus Christ!

1 Timothy 4:10

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

That is not proof of Univeralism (which youre no doubt gonna say that Im claiming... AGAIN), its proof that Gods intention is to save ALL MEN and that his Son died for ALL MEN and the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2). You cant believe God weak for giving man the choice, but its not really love if God must force us to love him.
---CraigA on 4/17/12


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rob

how can you avoid being a victim when you are told to OBEY? if you disobey you are accused of SIN.
if you question the teaching you are told YOU LACK FAITH, YOU ARE ACCUSED of having a haughty spirit.
if you rebuke them YOU ARE TOLD 'YE NOT JUDGE ME'
when you suffer their brainwashing YOU ARE TOLD YOU DID IT TO YOURSELF
that is how bad christianity is. you are put into bondage, brainwashed & your life is destroyed
---mike on 4/17/12


Yes, even your mockery of predestination has been predestined, just like those who crucified Christ at Calvary.
---christan on 4/17/12

christan, those who crucified Jesus did so because they did not believe Jesus was the Son of God, messiah who was forordained to take away SIN. It had NOTHING to do with whether they believed in predestination of individuals or not!
---kathr4453 on 4/17/12


\\Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. \\

EGW did not speak according to this word.

She said that in her writings, God instructed people more earnestly than in the pages of the Bible.

Therefore, she had no light in her.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/17/12


"equate "faith in Jesus Christ" with "belief in predestination". That is a grave error on their part." CraigA

You really think that God created mankind, He left them with an open and blank book, right? As Paul declares, "you are without excuse" come Judgment Day. The Word will judge you.

The greatest doctrine of predestination was none other than the coming and death of Jesus Christ. And if Christ was predestined to die, don't for once think you're not. Will it change God's plan how you feel about predestination? Not one bit. Yes, even your mockery of predestination has been predestined, just like those who crucified Christ at Calvary.
---christan on 4/17/12


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Sorry, but God has already GRANTED man repentence just by Sending His own son to die for our sin.

God is not in heaven GRANTING this one repentance and not granting that one repentance.

Because Jesus shed His BLOOD, anyone can come boldly to the throne of GRACE to FIND mercy.

When Paul uses the term "Grant repentance" he was refering to the fact that GENTILES are included in Jesus sacrifice for Sin.

Paul, an apostle to the Gentiles was told BY GOD that Gentiles TOO have been "granted repentance" to salvation. READ the whole chapter.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/12


here is a list
1 Pat robertson
2 hinn
copeland
mayer
mike murdoch

easy when they twist the bible to get rich & that list is true. also Pat robertson makes prediction or is trying to be a prophet dead giveaway
---mike on 4/17/12


--Rob You asked the question on how to recognize a false teacher. I gave you a very clear BIBLICAL answer:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

You posted:

it is very clear you reject what is written in Galatians, you reject Christ...---Rob on 4/14/12

Christ said: Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot.. shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
---francis on 4/17/12


That's why it's important to know who God is
---Mark_V. on 4/17/12


If you know God then you certainly know He does not lie. Why would you not believe what He says of himself?

Ezekiel 33:11
I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live

But yet you somehow delight in this very thing

Christan,

Acts 17:30-32
And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained, whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead
---Blogger9680 on 4/17/12


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Craig, The Spirit convicts the sinner of his rebellion against God, and repents. God has to grant that repentance.

"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil..." ( 2 Tim. 2:25,26).

If God doesn't grant repentance, the unbeliever remains under the snare of the devil doing his will. But you need ears to hear. Hearing spiritual truth comes from God, and if He doesn't, you will never hear spiritual truth.
"So then faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom. 10:17).
Jesus said, "Why do you not understand My speech? because you are not able to listen to My word" (John 8:43).
---Mark_V. on 4/17/12


I think where the problem lies is that Christan and MarkV equate "faith in Jesus Christ" with "belief in predestination". That is a grave error on their part.

That is cultish
---CraigA on 4/16/12


---Now remember, this is all the work of God on a sinner. He is unable to see his sin unless the Spirit convicts him.--MarkV

Isnt it kind of pointless for the Spirit to convict a man of sin if He wont allow the man to repent? The truth is right in front of you, Mark. The Spirit convicts the world of sin because God wants ALL men to come to the truth and be saved.
---CraigA on 4/16/12


Blogger9680, John 16:7 refers to an event Christ was prophesying about after His resurrection. That event has come and gone, Pentecost Day.

You use verses you have no understanding of to make an erroneous point. According to you then, the world and Israel you are saying before Christ does not know anything of sin? You must be kidding right? Israel, before Christ came was told numerous times by the prophets of their sins before God and were commanded to repent of their sins.

In future, please read the whole chapter in context before trying to lay one down to prove someone wrong.
---christan on 4/17/12


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--Rob on 4/16/12
If they were to speak the truth, it would not be a lie or an attack.

But to make a negative reference about an " accompanying angel" what we call guardian angel LOL LOL

when the bible says that angels are: Hebrews 1:14 all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

I understand why the idea of having a ministering spirit may be strange to the unsaved.

They are sent to those who are heirs of salvation.

Those who are unsaved have the spirit of thier father The devil, he is the father of lies and liars
---francis on 4/17/12


Blogger, AMEN!! That is biblical truth.

MarkV, The spirit convicts sinners of their sin.
They either get saved or they stay in unbelief.

When they get saved, There is no condemnation anymore. None for those who are in Christ.

Brother, you need help. You are tying scripture together to create a false gospel.

Christan, you are arguing to support your belief which is not the Gospel from Christ.

Christ did not preach nor teach what either of you keep saying he did. Neither did any of his disciples.
---ginger on 4/17/12


Blogger96, it's so important you know who God is. The Holy Spirit is not only God but is Omniscient. He is everywhere at all times. He is not confined to one place. He was in the Old T. upon believers, indwelling some believers, and empowering others. I have proof of that from Scripture. In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit's ministry was not to permanently indwell all believers, but was to come indwelling all believers beginning at Pentacost. That was promised through the prophets, and by Jesus.
Rebirth is not indwelling, rebirth is when God through the Holy Spirit brings someone to spiritual life together with Christ. Who were dead in trespasses and sins.
That's why it's important to know who God is before you can understand a passage.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/12


The Holy Spirit does not regenerate first. He convicts one of guilt FIRST --Ginger

That's according to you and not the Gospel---Christan

for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me,--- Jesus Christ (John 16:7)
---Blogger9680 on 4/16/12


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"Unbelievers do have faith...they just don't place it in God." ginger

It's also known as "dead faith", meaning, it cannot bring the sinner to salvation. This so-called "faith in the man" cannot please God at all.

"The Holy Spirit does not regenerate first. He convicts one of guilt FIRST."

That's according to you and not the Gospel. Just fyi, the Holy Spirit does not regenerate anyone that's not given to Christ by the Father. The Trinity works in perfect harmony of one another. The Father chooses, the Son died only for those whom the Father has given to Him and the Holy Spirit regenerates only those whom the Father gave to the Son.
---christan on 4/16/12


Blogger96 I did not invent "Making alive" God did. Here it is again what has to happen and why:
"And "you" (believers) He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins (that is why He made us alive), in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince and the power of the air, the spirit who "now" works in the sons of disobedience (unbelievers) among whom also "we" all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and "by nature children of wrath" just as the others"
We were just like the others,
"But God, who is rich in mercy,
---Mark_V. on 4/16/12


ginger, you are right in the first thre sentences, but very wrong in your last ones. The Spirit does convict the world of sin, it does it two ways, because conviction has two meanings.
1. the Judicial act of conviction with a view toward sentencing (conviction of sin)
2. since the purpose of Holy Spirit is not condemnation but conviction of the need for the Savior. The Son does the judgment with the Father. The Spirit exposes the darkness of the heart (3:19-21).
Now remember, this is all the work of God on a sinner. He is unable to see his sin unless the Spirit convicts him. This is the work of the Spirit in someone who is dead in trespasses and sins. The Spirit brings him alive to all that is spiritual.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/12


Francis, why is it whenever someone shares the TRUTH about SDA's and Ellen G. White, you call it an attack?
---Rob on 4/16/12


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Cluny//Those who teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel are false teachers.
----
That is the consensus of viewpoint by just about all who are involved in apologetics.

What we do see in the view that Michael the Archangel was also Jesus is that it is one of the primary beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

But I suspect that since Charles Taze Russell, who found the Jehovah's Witnesses had as his mentor the Seventh Day Adventists, he really borrowed that view from them. Some of the early Adventist shared many of his views. So he is really one of their children.

We see when cults break up, they only form groups that are also heretical - contrary to Biblical Christianity. Rarely do they simply die out.
---lee1538 on 4/16/12


\\Having nothing constructive to bring to the blog, it is not time for anti SDA anti E G White attack

BTW why does one having an " accompanying angel" offend you?\\

EGW's accompanying angel who showed her things was a fallen angel, and she was deluded into believing lies.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/12


MarkV, Unbelievers do have faith...they just don't place it in God. They put it into something else- cars,homes, other people, buddah, etc.
The WHOLE world is convicted by the Holy Spirit which was poured out on all flesh. They just refuse to believe.
The Holy Spirit does not regenerate first. He convicts one of guilt FIRST. Then a person does one of 2 things..
1.repent and believe or
2.turn away and refuse to believe.
---ginger on 4/16/12


What you call "making alive", most Christians refer to as the Spirit testifying of Jesus, or "witnessing to our heart", aka Jesus "knocking at the door" of our heart.

The Bible is very clear that the Spirit convicts the WORLD of unbelief now that Christ has ascended. If you could let go of "Irresistable Grace" you would see that. Scripture proves that a man can resist the calling of the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 3). He can deny the Lord who died for him and bought him with his blood.
---Blogger9680 on 4/16/12


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Those who teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel are false teachers.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/12


Blogger96, of course there is passages that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit happens after they have believed. The Holy Spirit had already made them alive, granted repentance and faith in or for them to believe in Christ.
An unbeliever does not believe, he is dead in trespasses and sins. He needs first to be made alive to Christ (Eph.2:4), granted repentance and faith in order for him to believe in the person of Christ (Phil 1:29: 2 Tim. 2:25,26). If he is not made alive by the Spirit he will continue in unbelieve and remain an unbeliever. Unbelievers do not have faith so they don't obey God, that is why they are unbelievers.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/12


---lee1538 on 4/15/12

Means that you agree that anyone who does not teach the law and testimony is a false teacher. Having nothing constructive to bring to the blog, it is not time for anti SDA anti E G White attack

BTW why does one having an " accompanying angel" offend you?

Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
---francis on 4/16/12


//Are you suggesting that those without familar spirits who do not speak acording to the law and testimony are teachers of truth?

What I am suggesting is that since Ellen often spoke of her "accompanying angel", that in itself should be a red flag that she may very well have been possessed by a familiar spirit.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12


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Not that they will be in the kingdom and be called the lowest form of life
---francis on 4/14/12

francis, that doesn't hold up against scripture.
---James_L on 4/15/12

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.


Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If you are breaking the law of God (living in sin ) and
teaching others to do so, your wages is death. Those in the kingdom will call you the lowest form of life
---francis on 4/15/12


\\They will be called lowest form of life by those in the kingdom. Not that they will be in the kingdom and be called the lowest form of life\\
---francis on 4/14/12

francis, that doesn't hold up against scripture.

Matt 18:1-5, Mark 9:33-37, Luke 9:46-48, and Luke 22:24-27 all record the disciples arguing over who would be the greatest.

Are you suggesting that the disiples were arguing over which of them would be in heaven ?? Really ??

Matthew 20:20-23 and Mark 10:35-40 record what this means. James and John asked that they would be able to sit at Jesus' right and left.

They wanted to sit on His throne with Him, to be the greatest In The Kingdom while others would be the least In The Kingdom
---James_L on 4/15/12


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12

Are you suggesting that those without familar spirits who do not speak acording to the law and testimony are teachers of truth?

this applies to everyone even if the context is those with familiar spirit

Psalms 78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets ( testimony) and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come
---francis on 4/15/12


//They will be called lowest form of life by those in the kingdom.

In other words, if I teach that one may light a fire in his home to cook food or to heat your home, (Exodus 35:3) I am guilty and will be the lowest in the Kingdom.

I am sure Francis will not waste any time in agreeing with me.
---lee1538 on 4/15/12


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Its clear that Eph 1:13 is talking about Christians. What youre missing is the "and YOU ALSO" telling you that they received the Spirit after they put their trust in Jesus Christ just as we did - not before.

I noticed you didnt comment on Acts 5:32

There are many instances of men receiving the Spirit after belief in Jesus Christ in the book of Acts. More than enough to convince anyone that faith must come first.

If 30 verses contradict your interpretation of 1, are the 30 verses wrong or is your interpretation of the 1 wrong? A wise man cannot be proud.
---Blogger9680 on 4/15/12


Blogger96, the people Paul was talking to had already been born again, who were chosen by God (Eph. 1:4) and even made known the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure (v.9) Chapter one is about them. They had not only receive faith to believe, but were granted repentance by God. (Phil. 1:29: 2 Tim. 2:25,26). When they heard the gospel, in Him they also trusted after they heard the word of Truth, the gospel of their salvation, in whom having believed they were sealed with the Holy Spirit. They were also indwelled by the Spirit and baptized by the Spirit into one body in Christ. " As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust, and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly"
---Mark_V. on 4/15/12


Psalms 131: "LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever."

Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
Whatever anyone says, if it goes against your heart it is not good for you. Discernment comes with age usually (Jeremiah 35 -Rechabites).
1Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
---Nana on 4/15/12


//Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If we read the previous verse - Isaiah 8:19 we would see that it is those that have familiar spirits, wizards that peep and mutter and the necromancer that is in view here.

(8:19) And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

One is made to wonder if olde Ellen White would fit into one of these categories as she was truly a wierd old duck?
---lee1538 on 4/15/12


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how clear is this text?
who does not understand this text?

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

WHo does not have any light based on this scriptures?

who are the false teachers based on this text?
---francis on 4/14/12


A false teacher, according to Jesus, Paul, and Peter, will not be in the Kingdom
---James_L on 4/14/12

You missunderstand the scripture James_L. They will be called lowest form of life by those in the kingdom. Not that they will be in the kingdom and be called the lowest form of life

To make it clear, those who break the commandments are living in sin, and to teach men to break the commandments is to teach men to live in sin: neither will be in heaven for the wages of sin is DEATH

but those who teach the commandments and keep them will refer to those who taught otherwise as the lowest form of life
---francis on 4/14/12


\\least in the Kingdom, great in the Kingdom....This cannot be clearer\\
---francis on 4/14/12


francis, if it were clear to you, then you wouldn't have quoted a scripture that has nothing to do with the issue

A false teacher, according to Jesus, Paul, and Peter, will not be in the Kingdom

So exactly how can he be the least in the Kingdom if he's not even there?


Hmmm. That's clear alright.

Is there really a whole denomination that believes as you do ??
---James_L on 4/14/12


Joseph, A-men. Scripture warns that, "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Why? Because the people are not opening up the Bible and reading it, in order to gain the knowledge of the truth.
---Eloy on 4/14/12


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Some of these ministers are preaching false doctrine because they have substituted the Holy Bible with one of the newer unholy bibles on the market. So if you are going to use an Uninspired or Ungodly book in your church, misnamed for the Bible, then you're going to be spreading whatever false doctrines are mistranslated within that mistitled bible.
---Eloy on 4/14/12


One may claim or confess he's "born a baptist, methodist, roman catholic or even an orthodox whatever" - be assured that neither one will even enter the kingdom of God - unless

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."John 3:5,6

"work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2:12,13 - so, start with whether you fear and tremble in the presence of the Holy God since salvation is His to give and you cannot earn it at all.
---christan on 4/14/12


-lee1538-Rob
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least ( LOWEST FORM OF LIFE) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This cannot be clearer that the false teachers teach against the laws of God and aganst faith in Jesus THE BIBLE says it not me.

Are you saying that the bible is wrong that only those who teach the law and testemony has the light of God?
---francis on 4/14/12


Jesus says His sheep hear His voice and do not follow a stranger. John 10:1-30. By means of the Holy Spirit we can sense how person is spiritually. Also, by knowing the Bible we can know what is wrong belief and practice. And we can submit to God so He leads us according to all He knows is really true about someone . . . so we don't fool our own selves into going along with what is wrong.
---willie_c: on 4/14/12


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How do you recognize a false teacher? They mock scripture

And there are those who say they must first belief then they will receive the Holy Spirit.
---christan on 4/14/12


Ephesians 1:13---
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

John 20:17-22 and Acts 2:1-4 are more scripture proving him to be a liar.

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
---Blogger9680 on 4/14/12


Francis //Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least ( LOWEST FORM OF LIFE) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Since you disobey the least of God's laws, you will indeed be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you even get that far.

One of the least of His commandments is that you light a fire in your home on the Sabbath as is forbidden in Exodus 35:3. And I suspect that you travel as the command is for you to stay in your home on the sabbath.

you are a HYPOCRITE if you point to others that they disobey the law.
---lee1538 on 4/14/12


I Was a baptist person once, & since I Have Learned, Thank God.

I recognize False Teachers when they start in with the Man - made trinity With their lies beginning with the r c c that Came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v 14, once saved always saved, repeat aft me, no works salvation, all you got to do is believe, sinners prayer, using faith scriptures for salvation etc.
They are trying to do this, climbeth up some other way John 10 v 1.
---Lawrence on 4/14/12


Francis, it is very clear you reject what is written in Galatians, you reject Christ, and you reject what Christ accomplished on the cross!
---Rob on 4/14/12


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"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." And if one cannot see the kingdom of God, how's he going to even recognize the false teachers. Without the Spirit of God indwelling in the man, there's no light in him and when there's no light, everything one sees is in total darkness.

Jesus confirms that man because of the fall is in total darkness unless He's born of the Spirit in John 3:19, "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

And there are those who say they must first belief then they will receive the Holy Spirit.
---christan on 4/14/12


How To Recognize False Teacher
As an individual, how do you recognize these people and avoid being one of their victims?
---Rob on 4/13/12
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least ( LOWEST FORM OF LIFE) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This cannot be clearer
---francis on 4/14/12


\\if it looks like a fake, walks like a fake, and talks like a fake, then they must be a fake.\\
---Eloy on 4/13/12

Common thinking of the ones who are easily duped by false teachers.

Jesus actually said that outwardly they will look like sheep and walk like sheep, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits we will know them. By a man's words he is justified or condemned.


We will know them by their teachings, but only if we know the truth.

If we are entangled by deception, then we will amen every time the false ones speak

scary, huh?
---James_L on 4/14/12


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