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Creation Week Eons Of Time

Why do supposed Bible scholars try to stretch Creation Week into eons of time. Is it because they believe their worldly professors more than the Word of God, or they hate God's holy Sabbath day so much that they must attack its foundation.

Moderator - A long time ago I used to be indifferent so I know how it can happen. It's just plain ignorance of both what the Bible says and the scientists. The Bible makes total sense and the scientists theory is such silliness.

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Not so fast Cliff, it is your turn to answer questions. See below.
---Warwick on 4/22/12


Warwick:

You said: StrongLee

Lee and I are different. It is possible for more than one person to disagree with you.

You said: You have previously said the creation days could be 24hrs claiming the Bible does not say so. But it does and your attempt at subterfuge changes nothing

NO verse in the Bible has "24" and "hours" together.

It is pointless to constantly argue this. We will never agree, even though you keep regurgitating this in blog after blog, even ones not remotely related. ("Annul Levitical Food Laws", "Can I Have A Few Drinks", "Post Flood Animals Very", "Impressions of God", "God Before the World", etc.)
---StrongAxe on 4/22/12


Cliff: "It does not change or corrupt the "work six rest seventh! (do you see?)"

Sorry, but I don't see. If your boss told you to work five undefined time periods each week, what are the chances that you'd be fired? It's impossible to obey what you don't know how to obey. Your boss would also be intentionally evasive and deceitful for such nebulous specification. Do you think that's the way God is?


---jerry6593 on 4/22/12


Warwick, Not so fast there,you have yet to explain where "darkness" came from (as part of evening) when no sun was visible !
If God Himself was the light and He is Omnipresent He could not have cast a shadow!
How does that work?
---1st_cliff on 4/21/12


StrongLee, you are a complete fraud. You ducked and weaved trying to avoid answering a simple question and the best you can do is this pathetic nonsense. You would have us believe God, the Creator of daylight, and nighttime, and evening and morning, did not have the vocabulary to accurately describe them. Or worse, as you say, He used words which hide His meaning. And further He used these unknowable words throughout His Bible to further spread confusion. In your scenario Scripture can tell us nothing.

You have previously said the creation days could be 24hrs claiming the Bible does not say so. But it does and your attempt at subterfuge changes nothing.
---Warwick on 4/21/12




Leon:

Psalm 19:1
"The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handywork."

When what we interpret from our observations of the heavens and the earth are in conflict with how we interpret the word of God, it means that one (or both) of these interpretations is incorrect, so both must be more closely examined.

This is not a conflict with the Word of God - just with our intepretation of the Word of God.
---StrongAxe on 4/21/12


"Why do supposed Bible scholars try to stretch Creation Week into eons of time. Is it because they believe their worldly professors more than the Word of God, or they hate God's holy Sabbath day so much that they must attack its foundation.

Moderator - A long time ago I used to be indifferent so I know how it can happen. It's just plain ignorance of both what the Bible says and the scientists. The Bible makes total sense and the scientists theory is such silliness."


Jerry: They lack faith to believe the truth of God & thereby hold the truth in unrighteousness (contempt)...

Romans 1:16-22
---Leon on 4/21/12


Warwick:

Genesis 1:4-5 makes it clear a "day" is composed of evening and morning, but it doesn't define WHAT "evening" and "morning" or "night" or "day" are.

Neither we nor the Bible DEFINE "day" as 24 hours. The fact that it's 24 hours is just an observable PHENOMENON basedon on the DEFINITION - a full earth rotation with respect to the sun. This phenomenon would not be observable without a sun.

Note during Joshuah's Long Day, the normal sun+earth movement were altered - so the day length was too, consistent with the definition, but VIOLATING the 24-hour phenomenon.

When making generalizations based on effects, one should look instead to their causes.
---StrongAxe on 4/21/12


Cliff said: "I believe god was referring to "domestic animals" when mentioning vegetation for their food, not wild creatures!"

Sorry, Cliff, but Genesis actually doesn't defer to your "belief". Despite your belief that they do defer to you, the Scriptures say however that "to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food". So unless creepy and beastie things are really domestic animals, then you're off target.

Advice: Read what the Bible says, not what you want it to say.
---Marc on 4/21/12


Warwick, why do you have to resort over and over that we have to listen to you what is exact and what is not? Why don't you just believe what is written and leave it at that? Why does a day have to be 24 hours exact when it is not? We are not even told what day God started His creation. So what? I'm happy He even started and finished His creation. I know it would mean a whole lot to you because you believe He started Sunday so that SDA's doctrine of Saturday Sabbath could be from the God's own mouth, but even that is not from God. Why are you not happy with what is written?
---Mark_V. on 4/21/12




Lee: "the findings of science cannot support" 6-day Creation.

Oh really? Which findings are those? There is not an ounce of real science in the long-age evolutionary paradigm - only speculation and conjecture stemming from an atheistic mindset - silly musings about how life forms created themselves.

I think I finally have an answer to the question I've been asking for years. You do indeed believe your worldly professors more than the Word of God!


---jerry6593 on 4/21/12


Jane, there was a time when we had the Creator God on earth and not once did He even hint that the OT was less than historical truth and not God breathed. For one example Jesus and the apostles quoted from Genesis 1-11 107 times, and always as sober reality. Would He quote from anything suspect or allow His apostles to misinform us?

2 Peter 3:16 clearly demonstrates Peter had read what Paul had written, quotes and all, and called it Scripture, and gave not even a hint any of it was in error.

As you say differences between accounts are minor and often just two correct ways of seeing the same event.
---Warwick on 4/21/12


StrongLee, you have been active on these pages where I have given the 3 relevant definitions of day. Therefore you are either slow of mind, or deceitful.

Day

1) Accompanied by a numeral meaning 24hrs.
2) As in daylight.
3) Meaning 'when' as in my father's day i.e. when my father was alive.

Therefore you should know I have always said day with a numeral equals 24hrs. In Genesis 2:17 there is no numeral therefore it is not 24hrs. BTW the Holman Bible Dictionary gives Genesis 1:5 as the definition of 24hr day.

Your argument therefore falls apart.

BTW you have yet to attempt an answer to my question. What other period of time is composed of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?
---Warwick on 4/21/12


Warwick,Why do you have to go off the deep end when i mention metaphor?
I like how you try to downplay the number of animal and bird "kinds" as a "limited number"!
A horse and donkey look similar but cross-breeding brings about a "sterile" mule . (not the same "kind")
How many is a "limited number"?

These creatures were brought to him one at a time to study and come up with an appropriate name!(including birds)
A 5 minute job with no breaks? How does this translate to time?
---1st_cliff on 4/20/12


Marc, You are obviously another one who believes that after 6,000 years of no creatures dying by now there would be no room for humans. Herds of buffalo, elk,horses,elephants etc, etc AD INFINITUM not to mention flies and mosquitoes!
I believe god was referring to "domestic animals" when mentioning vegetation for their food, not wild creatures!
How would an anteater eat grass? or frogs,or spiders or saber tooth tigers,lions,jackals,walrus,sharks etc..?
Cows,sheep, goats,horses,camels,pigs,chickens etc. are not carnivores.
You would have to believe evolution to explain venomous snakes,spiders scorpions,sting rays etc.!
---1st_cliff on 4/20/12


Cliff, you whinged about me not answering your questions, but I do. However you rarely if ever answer mine. Hypocrisy?

You are saying that God who carried out amazing miracles (think Egypt) through man could not have a perfect man name a limited number of animals?

When God finished His creation and it included death, disease and suffering of animals and man would He have pronounced this "very good?"

So why did animals have to suffer and die if mans sin only has consequences for man?

Tell me where my reasoning from Scripture regarding the toledoths is wrong?

Which part of -All Scripture is God breathed- don't you get
---Warwick on 4/20/12


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Cliff, a few more of my unanswered questions:

If you believe this day can be of some other length please tell me what other time-period, other that a 24hr day, is (as Genesis 1:3-5 says) composed of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?

But if you do not believe what Genesis says on what basis do you believe any NT book?

Romans 8:22 says the whole creation (not just man) suffers because of the fall. It went quickly from perfection with which God endowed it to increasing imperfection. Was it always the mess it is today?

Why should I continue to answer your questions if you do not answer mine. I suppose it is because I have answers!
---Warwick on 4/20/12


Warwick: 'All Scripture is God breathed- don't you get?'

There are actually two problems here, one important and one not. First of all, since this was written by Paul, Paul would appear to only stating what was then known as Scripture - the OT only. On this talk, which IS about the OT, it's not an issue, but it still must be remembered.

The other one is that while he describes 'Scripture' we still find multiple copies of books that have minor differences. So which of the two is 'God breathed'. Only one can be if there is any difference in meaning
---Jane on 4/20/12


1st_cliff:

To be precise, we don't know on which day the animals were named. They were named by Adam, and he was created on day 6, so it had to be day 6 or later. But we don't know whether it was later or not.


Warwick:

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Having children takes time. If Adam died the same day he are the fruit, and "day" means 24 hours (as you claim it always does), the Fall must have happened AFTER the birth of Cain, Abel, Seth, and others. Do you really believe this?
---StrongAxe on 4/20/12


Lee, for so long you have to said you do not accept 6 day creation beleiving Genesis does not say this. I knew this was untrue and you now admit the truth! "I say that we believe God created the world in 6 periods of unknown time duration because we realize that the findings of science cannot support the worldly interpretations of the church." You finally admit you interpret God's word through man's philosophies.

Do you not see the irony in you bringing up Galileo? The RC church had painted itself into a corner because they had interpreted Scripture through the then prevailing 'scientific' belief. Just as you now do! What will you do when you realize the 'science' you have placed over Scripture is wrong?
---Warwick on 4/20/12


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Micha, My error God did create fish and birds on day 5 but they were named on day 6 (I don't believe he named the fish!)
---1st_cliff on 4/20/12


1st Cliff,

If you're going to quote Scripture, quote all of it. If in the original creation Adam was supposed to eat animal flesh, why did God say ''I have given you every herb that yields seed...and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it shall be for food.''

For the animals: ''I have given every green herb for food.''

Explain that!
---Marc on 4/20/12


Warwick, Let's see you explain this situation:
Light on day one..
You suggested that God is light so the light came from him...OK so far, I asked where did "darkness come from, you said "on the other side of earth!
My question is "other side from where?"
If God is Omnipresent and light there can be no dark spots!
maybe you mean on the "other side" from where He's standing?????
---1st_cliff on 4/20/12


Jerry//Why do YOU try to stretch Creation into more than 144 hours? Is it because YOU believe YOUR worldly professors more than the Word of God, or do YOU hate God's holy Sabbath day so much that YOU must attack its foundation?
---
I say that we believe God created the world in 6 periods of unknown time duration because we realize that the findings of science cannot support the worldly interpretations of the church.

Remember that the scientific world had problems with the established church when Galileo realized that the earth as not the center of our solar system.

Glad to help you with these issues warwick and Jerry.
---lee1538 on 4/20/12


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Jerry, Neither one!
The length of a creation day has nothing to do with the seventh day sabbath!
How? It's a given that God created in seven periods of time,He used this "pattern" to institute the seventh day of rest on a weekly basis
It does not change or corrupt the "work six rest seventh! (do you see?)
God was not in a bind to get things done in 144 hours.
Is there One situation, since then, that would show God "rushed" anything?
---1st_cliff on 4/20/12


Please read Genesis 1 again, 1stCliff.
Several posts you made refer to the birds and fish being created on day 6.
This is wrong according to the Bible.
If you don't know what the Bible says, how can you argue against it?
---micha9344 on 4/20/12


Warwick,It's difficult to see the natural "food chain" as part of God's creation when you have blinders on!
Upset this order and one or the other species over populate causing chaos!
Answer please= Why did God tel Adam "Have dominion over..creatures" if not to "manage them?
How do you have "dominion " over pterodactyls?
---1st_cliff on 4/20/12


Cliff, get real, so the days are a metaphor therefore by extension so is the Sabbath one of the 10 Commandments. Maybe they are all metaphors? Maybe Adam is just a perfect metephor, and sin, and death as well. Maybe it's all just a metaphor?

Jesus and the apostles quoted or alluded to Genesis 1-11, 107 times and always as historical reality. Maybe Jesus just didn't know? But hold on He was the creator! Maybe He just forgot.

Which part of -All Scripture is God breathed- don't you get? Maybe that was just poeticmythoallegoricity!

You are saying that God who carried out amazing miracles (think Egypt) through man could not have a perfect man name a limited number of animals? What a BiblioSceptic you are!
---Warwick on 4/20/12


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Cliff: Why do YOU try to stretch Creation into more than 144 hours? Is it because YOU believe YOUR worldly professors more than the Word of God, or do YOU hate God's holy Sabbath day so much that YOU must attack its foundation?


---jerry6593 on 4/20/12


Cliff, when God finished His whole creation He called it "very good." But the fossil record shows death, disease and suffering of animals and man. Look around today and you see death, disease and suffering of animals and man. When God finished His creation and it included death, disease and suffering of animals and man would He have pronounced this "very good?" Obviously not, because death came only after Adam's sin. The answer to the puzzle is that the fossil record is not pre-fall but mostly a record of Noah's flood, because it demonstrates what Adams sin brought about. Scripture records God brought the flood because of mans sin. So why did animals have to suffer and die if mans sin only has consequences for man?
---Warwick on 4/19/12


Warwick, You err again,I believe Adam was the 1st and perfect man (as written)!
Again dogmatism rules your thinking IE Evening and morning can also be metaphoric! with the brightness of the morning being the finished product!
Tell me how you "KNOW" only chosen ones wrote scripture, you cannot "know" only assume! (you call faith)
I said many times day 6 cannot be accomplished in 24 hrs. (immediately you jump to long age evolution--wrong!)
The days(yom) were just periods of time!(albeit more than 24 hrs)
---1st_cliff on 4/19/12


Cliff, throughout Genesis are toledoths meaning origins or records of origins. There is good reason to believe these were closing Signatures. The first in Genesis 2:4 "Thus were the heavens and the earth completed in all their vast array." Events no man saw hence no human signature. The next is 5:1 "This is the book of the generations (toledoth) of Adam." The third is Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations (toledoth) of Noah."

We know God inspired chosen people to write His word so there is every reason to believe they were written by the person whose name is appended.
---Warwick on 4/19/12


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Cluny, yes, I already knew that Charles T. Russell the founder of the Jehovah Witnesses in 1869, at age 17, by his own admission became a skeptic and came upon a group called Second Adventists and began to reestablish his faith with the teachings of Ellen White. Her writings on death and hell were intriguing to him and believed much of her teachings, and in 1870 started his own Bible class with six members who studied for four years. I did study all I could concerning the Jehovah Witnesses, but had never made a complete study of the SDA's. Didn't have to since they follow E. White teachings also.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/12


Warwick, You err,I do believe the Genesis account that says death spread to "all MEN" it is you who assumes it includes animals (Without proof) There's no indication (scriptural or otherwise) that creatures developed a taste for flesh after Adam's fall! Plants changed??(Venus fly trap)Birds? mammals?
You're reading into God's word your own ideas ,who knows for what reason!
Carnivores were created carnivores as horses and cattle were not (how come they didn't change?)
I know you are intelligent ,why don't you use it?
---1st_cliff on 4/19/12


Cliff, Genesis 1:3-5 spells out the components of a 24hr day. If you believe this day can be of some other length please tell me what other time-period, other that a 24hr day, is (as Genesis 1:3-5 says) composed of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?

Genesis is Gods word and He does not need any human to check His grammar!

That writing did not exist from the beginning is your assumption. I think you have become infected by the long-ages/evolutionary story which has man beginning as a primitive creature rather than the walking talking perfect man God created. This confuses your thinking.
---Warwick on 4/19/12


\\I will take it that you do not believe Jesus Christ is the Eternal Begotten Son of God but a created creature, as Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Islam.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/12\\

Mark, did you know that Charles Russell, founder of Jehovah's False Witnesses, was once allied with a branch of the Adventist movement--obviously not the part that became the SDA?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/19/12


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francis, you said to me in another blog,

"where in anything I posted tells you that I am a muslim or believe in islam?"

I didn't say you were a muslem, or that you believed in Islam. You do side with one of their doctrines, that Jesus Christ is not Divine but a created angel. If you do not believe this, now is the time to speak up. If you don't I will take it that you do not believe Jesus Christ is the Eternal Begotten Son of God but a created creature, as Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Islam.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/12


The Moderator is right, it is because of their ignorance to what the Bible says, and their science theories which are also antiTruth are such silliness.
---Eloy on 4/19/12


//jerry6593, A lot of Bible scholars in studying the scriptures do not realize that the scriptures are authored by God, not man, and therefore the scriptures cannot be altered by the intellect of mankind.
---
That belief is rarely questioned among Christians, what is involved is ones interpretation of the Bible and that is often conditioned by our denominational background.

And that is why I believe we should study the different interpretations of the Bible made by Christians throughout the ages and evaluate their strengths & weaknesses.

Any study of the scripture should lead us to the One who had the Scripture penned.
---lee1538 on 4/19/12


Cliff, I answer more questions than you do. A spider spins its web to catch food. That this was always living prey is an assumption. If you are conversant with Scripture you know the whole world was dramatically changed by Adam's sin. Romans 8:22 says the whole creation (not just man) suffers because of the fall. It went quickly from perfection with which God endowed it to increasing imperfection. Was it always the mess it is today?

Man and animals were originally vegetarian. Things changed at the fall but it wasn't until post flood God said man could eat flesh. If you do not wish to believe God's word that is your choice. But if you do not believe what Genesis says on what basis do you believe any NT book?
---Warwick on 4/19/12


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Eloy, your mind is not of God. Your thinking is not even close to that of a normal Christian person. Your beliefs are so far, that you have come to believe you've turned to some kind of god with your sinless beliefs.
Just because they let you out of the hospital does not mean you were cured. Think about it, you have three different kinds of people who will enter heaven. Two kinds who do not need Christ, and believe in many rebirth since you say you had two. Talk about adding to Scripture, you sure have because you think you have the mind of God and know what He would do if He was you. That Jesus came to your house in California and had to leave in a hurry to go and finish making a place for you. He could not stay long. Think about it.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/12


Warwick, You never answered my previous Qs (not unusual)
Is a spider's web just "art work" or to catch and eat live prey?,can an ant eater eat vegetation? Venus fly trap (plant) eats creatures!
Sharks and whales don't eat vegetation!
Female preying mantis,kills her mate after mating,embalms herself for feeding her young! (hundreds of examples) Blind faith?
Bible says Adam's sin brought death to "MAN" not creatures! (read it right)
---1st_cliff on 4/18/12


jerry6593, A lot of Bible scholars in studying the scriptures do not realize that the scriptures are authored by God, not man, and therefore the scriptures cannot be altered by the intellect of mankind.
---Eloy on 4/18/12


Eloy//For I am learned, and I am given the mind of Christ.
---
A friend of mine involved in the jail ministry has seen several that think they the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. They are either on some kind of hallucinary drugs, and/or are mentally ill.

You are getting to the same place as many of those people.

Sorry Eloy boy, but the Christian is given a sound mind,

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Sorry but no one on this forum is going to agree with you.
---lee1538 on 4/18/12


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elo:

You said: I believe that there were 46 creatures that Adam named, simply because Noah took 46 creatures upon the Ark before the world was flooded.

Can you please explain to us how you arrived at this number? Since they came in pairs, he must have taken at most 23 species. But he was also told to take 7 of each clean animal (Genesis 7:2), which means either 16 unclean pairs and 2 clean sets, or 9 unclean pairs and 4 clean sets, or 2 unclean pairs and 6 clean sets. Where did the rest of the species on the earth come from?
---StrongAxe on 4/18/12


jerry6593, I think it is because they refuse the scriptures.
---Eloy on 4/18/12


Scott1, if God meant to convey that His creation took eons why did he define a day as comprising daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning? If what you suggest is so then why did He not say so? Was He embarassed that it took so long?

You must also remember that the one and only gospel, is based upon the fact that Adam's sin brought death into the world. And that Jesus' substitutionary death paid the price for Adam's sin. Did it? Was it Adam's sin that brought death into the world, as Scripture says, or did death exist before sin?

Conversely the long-ages view you allow has creatures (both animal and man) dying for 'eons' before Adam arrived on the scene.
---Warwick on 4/18/12


Eloy, 2 Peter 3:8 reads "with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

1) This is not about the days of creation, nor does it establish the length of a day.

2) It is directed at those who grumbled about the time Jesus was taking to return. It points out God does not measure time as we do, as He is eternal therefore not living days of any length. It does not say one day is 1,000 years nor does it say 1,000 years is one day.

In Genesis 2:17 'day' in this context means 'when' just as we say "in my father's day, i.e. 'when' my father was alive.
---Warwick on 4/18/12


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Cluny speciation occurs when creatures of the original created kind can no longer breed. This defines a species. This process involves a net loss of and or corruption of genetic information and is the opposite of microbe to man evolution. For one kind of creature to evolve into a completely different kind of creature requires the creation of massive amounts of totally new, specific, and unique genetic information. Speciation or natural selection do not provide this.

The evolutionary story say the ancestor of birds was not a bird, doesn't it? Some believe this unknown ancestor was a reptile. For just one question where did the avian lung come from as it is totally differnt to the reptillian lung?
---Warwick on 4/18/12


\\For I am learned, and I am given the mind of Christ.
---Eloy on 4/18/12\\

You certainly are not learned in Biblical languages or even English usage.

And the christ whose mind you claim is NOT the one of the Bible.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/12


The creation story is not about creation. The creation story is about God. Would it be better if Gen 1 said. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth by saying let the carbon atoms bond with the hydrogen atoms (wait let the star of hydrogen explode thus making some hydrogen atoms into carbon atoms), then let the carbon-hydrogen atoms form amino acids then combine and for RNA the basic building blocks for life, (I know you can't see these things Moses but they are there trust me). As I combine the RNA into structures these will become cells... My point is God speaks to us for our benefit and his glory not to be scientic or historical. If he did it in 6 literal days cool, If he did it in eons of time cool.
---Scott1 on 4/18/12


Warwick, You are correct in posting that more species have been created after Adam's day up to today. But by studying the scriptures we can know how many creatures Adam named. And yes, they all can be named in one day. I believe that there were 46 creatures that Adam named, simply because Noah took 46 creatures upon the Ark before the world was flooded.
---Eloy on 4/18/12


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One day equalling one thousand years has already been proven by the scriptures. God prophesied that in the very day Adam eats of the forbidden fruit he will surely die. After Adam ate the fruit, 930 years passed and then he died, which was less than 1 day to God. lit.Hb: "For a thousand years in your sight THAT yesterday when it is past, and a watch in the night." Ps.90:4. Lit.Gk: "Now upon this let not be hidden from you, beloved, that one day of Lord THAT a thousand years, and a thousand years THAT day one." II Pt.3:8.
---Eloy on 4/18/12


Markv, "Eloy I thought you were smart..." You thought correctly here. For I am learned, and I am given the mind of Christ.
---Eloy on 4/18/12


\\From them over time has come many species.\\

And speciation is part of evolution.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/12


Eloy, I thought you were smart and knew what we were discussing. Exact numbers are not given. A day is not exactly 24 hrs. It is 23 hrs 56 min. When someone says, like you, something is exact when it isn't you are wrong. James L, is right he explained the passages, that a day is as a thousand years. It did not say "equal" to a thousand years as you claimed here,
"1. one thousand years to man on earth is equal to one day to God in heaven (Ps.90:4+ II Pt.3:8)."

Gen. speaks of days, evening and morning. It never gives 24hrs for a very good reason. We should believe what is written, 6 days and rested on the 7th. That should be good enough for everyone. As Trey just said, believe what is written in Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/12


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How can anyone dogmatically say each creative (yom) was 24 hrs (the number 6+1 is fixed,that's not the argument)
There wasn't one soul around to verify the grammatical structure of events!
Writing was unknown.
Stories handed down orally are not that reliable,plus we don't even know if Hebrew was the first spoken language (all languages were confused at Babel)
When has God ever "RUSHED" any event since creation?
That's not His M.O.!
---1st_cliff on 4/18/12


God is the Creator of the 'kinds' of creatures, as Genesis 1 shows. From them over time has come many species. Why would anyone who has read Scripture imagine Adam had to name species, which didn't yet exist? Genesis 2:20 says Adam named the cattle, birds and beasts of the field. This is God's word and who are we to call Him a liar? How many 'kinds' of cattle, beasts and birds did God create? As we do not, and cannot know should we not accept what He says? By faith we accept Jesus fed the 5,000.
---Warwick on 4/17/12


As many of you know the argument over the length of the creation days has raged long and hard. StrongAxe says he is open to believing these are 24hr days. However he ducked and weaved to avoid a direct answer to my question.

Genesis 1:3-5 says God created light which brought about a daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning day. Now these are the components of an everyday, ordinary 24hr day, and nothing else. But some say they are or could be of a different length. I ask this question of you : What time-period, other that a 24hr day, is composed of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?

Now if Genesis 1:3-5 does actually define other than 24hr day it should be easy to give an honest answer, shouldn't it!
---Warwick on 4/17/12


JamesL, Yes indeed it does, proven by God whom prophesied that in the very day Adam eats of the forbidden fruit he will surely die. After Adam ate the fruit, 930 years passed and then he died, which was less than 1 day to God. The Hebrew primary particle word is "kiy", and the ancient primary greek word is "os", which means, "that", "as", "even", "surely", "truly", "yea". lit.Hb: "For a thousand years in your sight THAT yesterday when it is past, and a watch in the night." Ps.90:4. Lit.Gk: "Now upon this let not be hidden from you, beloved, that one day of Lord THAT a thousand years, and a thousand years THAT day one." II Pt.3:8.
---Eloy on 4/17/12


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8,000 species of reptiles?
5,400 species of amphibians?
4,400 mammals?
10,00 species of birds?

Who is to say there were that many back in Adams day?
---CraigA on 4/17/12


I believe the scriptures are true. I believe my God did speak the world into existance in 6 days and rested on the 7th. If you, however, do not believe this then why believe any of the scriptures. Either the scriptures are true or they are false. I, through an eye of faith, believe they are true. I also believe that the God I serve is able to preserve his word. If your god is not able to make the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th, you must serve a weak god.

If you do not believe the biblical account of creation you must be similar to King Jehudi (Jer 36:23).
---trey on 4/17/12


//How long would it take,even for a perfect man, to name (vertebrates)

Maybe Adam was a real computer head?

Yes, it is all too easy to see that the Genesis account is a very summarized account of creation.

Just imagine it! there are even those who want desperately to believe God created the world in a mere 24 hour days as somehow it involves the observance of their most holy day, the sabbath.
---lee1538 on 4/17/12


How long would it take,even for a perfect man, to name (vertebrates)
8,000 species of reptiles?
5,400 species of amphibians?
4,400 mammals?
10,00 species of birds?

There are only 1,440 minutes in 24 hours.
Adam did more things than just name creatures!

Who incidentally were also " created" that same day!
Jesus said "My Father keeps working" If everything is just spoken into existence...where's the "work?"
---1st_cliff on 4/17/12


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\\one thousand years to man on earth is equal to one day to God in heaven (Ps.90:4+ II Pt.3:8).\\
---Eloy on 4/16/12


Scripture doesn't say that 1,000 years EQUALS one day. It says that a day IS LIKE, or SEEMS LIKE a thousand years "as we count slowness" concerning Christ's return (2Pet 3:8)

In the case of Psalm 90:4, the NASB has it rendered

"For A Thousand Years in Your Sight Are Like Yesterday When It Passes By"

This is the thrust of the words, not that it is a measuring contrast.
---James_L on 4/17/12


MarkV, is your carnal mind really that dense? Does not the sun rise every 24 hours? and set every 24 hours on a daily basis? OMG, I cannot really believe that you are that hardened to deny such a physically visible reality which visibly happens on a daily basis occurring every 24 hours. Awake to righteousness!
---Eloy on 4/17/12


Eloy, Leviticus nor John 9:4 mention 24hours. They mention day or evening to evening. While I believe that day here means one day, If God had said 24 hours, He would have lied since a day does not have 24 hrs. God does not make mistakes. People conclude 24hrs, not God. I don't hate God's Sabbath day, but I do reject it is on Saturday's. No where are we told by God it is a Saturday. Man's traditions in the Old Testament made it Saturday. Man's traditions now make it Sunday. But under the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is our Rest.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/12


Jennifer, yes, you have read me correctly.
---John.usa on 4/16/12


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1st Cliff, "Seeing a female for the first time takes a little getting use to etc." Ha ha, that's funny. Maybe there was something wrong with Adam's rib bone because a lot of women can't seem to make up there mind about anything. For example, you send a man and a woman in the grocery store and tell them each to get a loaf a bread and come back out. The man will do it, but 30 minutes later the women is still inside, she finally comes out and has $100 worth of groceries, but no bread. They say, "I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you, I love you..." What IS that?
---Eloy on 4/17/12


John.Usa: 'No truly informed person denies that God created the heavens and the earth in 144 hours. Case closed.'

The way you state it makes me assume (as you don't make any other statement) that you take it from reading Gen 1 literally.

Could you confirm this, so the rest of us can KNOW why the case is close.

Please confirm my assumption
---Jennifer on 4/16/12


Day 6, God creates all fish,animals and flying creatures (in one fell swoop? Not very likely)
Each one meticulously designed for their particular habitat!
Put yourself in Adams position, How long would it take to become aware of your very being,opening your eyes to discover you are a living person,checking your surroundings?
Seeing creatures for the first time then giving each one a name?
Being put to sleep while a bone is extracted to create a woman.
Seeing a female for the first time takes a little getting use to etc..
All during daylight hours?
24hour day? No way!
Not enough time for a human ,even a perfect one!
---1st_cliff on 4/16/12


No truly informed person denies that God created the heavens and the earth in 144 hours. Case closed.
---John.usa on 4/16/12


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The Bible generally offers two measurements for a day:
1. one thousand years to man on earth is equal to one day to God in heaven (Ps.90:4+ II Pt.3:8).
2. a twenty-four hour period (Lev.23:32+ Jn.9:4).
---Eloy on 4/16/12


The longer "day" has nothing to do with evolution,and everything to do with logic!
Regardless if you believe the "yom" was 24hr or several thousand years .God still used this Work 6 rest 1 as a law to separate the Jews from the pagans!
When did god "rush" anything from Adam,s creation 'till now?
It's simply not His style!
He created 6 periods of time and rested on the 7th.
The "rush" to create in 24hours is just plain illogical!




---1st_cliff on 4/16/12


because they are trying to fit it into the theory of evolution which requires ions of time, not because of your theological sectarian view
---weatherbill on 4/16/12


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