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Why is it those people who are in CULTS will never write or give a straight answer to what is written in a passage of scripture? Is this because they are forbidden to read or respond to anything which goes against their false teachings?

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Thanks ginger. What you said actually adds against what Haz said: "christians are not under the law." But, as you pointed out, to which i agree, Christ writes His laws in our hearts.

So, if the laws are not "applicable" to us, as Haz says, why would Christ write His laws in our hearts? What use would that be? If the laws are useless to us,as Haz says, yet Christ put His laws in our hearts, then the conclusion would be Christ put something in our hearts that is useless.

And that is the point i was trying say to Haz. Her/his statement "we are not under the law" is too vague and too all-encompassing. The verses in 1Tim, Rom, and Gal which Haz used should be analyzed more and taken in its proper context.
---jonweckl on 4/24/12


Mark V, Mat.16.26 Gaining the whole world but losing his soul?(life) What would you give in exchange for your soul? (life)
Your soul is NOT a separate part of you! (you are a soul)
Losing your soul (Life) is the "ultimate" penalty for sin Jn.3.16
Pagans believe in the mystical living dead!
Christ taught resurrection not continuance!
---1st_cliff on 4/24/12


Francis....There were many more laws given to Moses. Do you keep them all?
---KarenD on 4/24/12
Do you believe that: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 4:4 It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
---francis on 4/24/12


jon, the question is does Christ write the laws on your heart so that you know what is right and what is wrong.
Yes he does. And it is not us who keep the law but Christ in us. He shows us what is right and what is wrong.
What Haz says is not a scary thought but the truth. Christ in us shows us. We are to depend on HIM now not stone tablets to tell us the truth. We know by Christ that even thinking bad thoughts of one another is the SAME as murder so we should not think bad thoughts of one another. Christ takes us beyond the law that kills. He shows us what real LOVE is.
It is Christ who shows us the truth and helps us do right not the looking at the law.
---ginger on 4/24/12


---ginger on 4/24/12
You kinda got caught up in Haz nonesense

If christ is not IN US we would be giving in to every impulse to sin and be reprobates

we get to take part in the divine nature 2 Peter 1:4 that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature
---francis on 2/28/12

It is Christ in us that enables us to keep the whole law, otherwise we would be reprobates 2 Cor 4:11..the life of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
---francis on 2/25/12
---francis on 4/24/12




HappyLDS....According to Joseph Smith, all denominations are wrong and hed had to restore the "true" church to the earth. Since you are LDS why do you even think that anyone else can enter the Kingdom of God or one of the levels of glory?

Francis....There were many more laws given to Moses. Do you keep them all?
---KarenD on 4/24/12


Haz27, you said: "BUT Christians are not under the law (1Tim 1:9, Rom 8:2, Gal 5:18). And where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION/sin, Rom 4:15."

This is a very scary statement. So are you saying that since you are not under the law of "thou shalt not kill", then you can kill and not be liable for anything?

You would probably say, that the spirit of Christ that is in you would not let you do such things. But the point is not whether you WILL or WILL NOT do the act but whether killing is still considered bad whether you're a christian or not.
---jonweckl on 4/24/12


// I suggest just keep to discussion on scripture from the BIBLE ONLY. Scripture will confirm scripture, so try to be open to the truth in God's word instead.
---Haz27 on 4/23/12 //


Amen! How refreshing!


---jerry6593 on 4/24/12


Francis, I will try to make this as simple as possible for you.
1st not once did you say you do these things IN or BY Christ.
2nd do you realize that none can keep those unless they are IN Christ?

Okay, then who is it that keeps the 10? Is it you or Christ in you? IT IS CHRIST IN YOU that keeps them.
You don't do anything on your own!
To answer you, a REAL Christian does keep them but not of their own will, but by God's and by being in Christ!
---ginger on 4/24/12


1Cliff, I have the interpretations of words right in front of me. I also gave you passages to the effect that the soul left after death, and you did not comment on those. You said it dies when you sin. Sorry, but the soul does not have a body to die of. If you were right, everyone who is alive is walking with a dead soul, for all sin and come short of the glory of God. You picked a passage out of the blue, without looking at the consequences of your interpretation. But that is ok, many here do that all the time, you are no different.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/12




Happy LDS, I have four questions for yourself, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, and other Mormons.

1. Who is Jesus?

2. What is the Gospel of Christ?

3. How does one become SAVED?

4. If a person claims to be a Prophet of God, but what they prophesied did not come to pass, what type of Prophet are they?
---Rob on 4/24/12


HappyLDS said: " the LDS,JW, SDA's...".

HappyLDS, it's interesting that YOU associate the LDS, JW and SDA's together in one group. And all 3 are considered cults anyway, having their own allegedly enlightened authority to blindly follow( Joseph Smith, Watch Tower society, Ellen G White).

I suspect Francis fell off his chair when he saw that you associated SDA's with LDS and JW's.

I suggest just keep to discussion on scripture from the BIBLE ONLY. Scripture will confirm scripture, so try to be open to the truth in God's word instead.
---Haz27 on 4/23/12


francis, you are 100% wrong when you said,

"Againt i am 100% correct, he that believes shall be saved
those who belives ( THE SAINTS) do keep the laws of God"


No one can keep the whole written letter of the Law perfect. No human being with a sinful nature. Christ is the only one perfect. Only He could keep the Law perfect. All believers have One Mediator between him and God. Without that Mediator no one can stand before God. Because God is separated from sin. Jesus Christ stands on our behalf for He died for our sins, who is Himself without sin. Only by His Atonement are we saved. And He will be with us forever, never to leave us who are born of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/12


Mark V, You are confusing "ruach'(spirit) with "nephesh" (soul)
Using the possessive "his" is misleading here .Like "his life"
Her soul departed same as her life departed, you've heard of one "losing his life" Is it lost somewhere??
No Mark soul is mortal not immortal,show me once of the 800 times soul is mentioned that it is "immortal"
---1st_cliff on 4/23/12


Francis - you are wasting your precious energy! These people KNOW what you believe...you don't! LOL I used to get upset and frustrated by the way many here can twist and distort scripture by taking it out of context or just claim that the LDS,JW, SDA's and others are simply wrong without any further explanation. I agree with you that many "Christians" here ignore the commandment about bearing false witness. No one can completely "prove" everything. If we could then faith wouldn't be necessary. In the end we will find out who is right but until then just follow your heart.
---HappyLDS on 4/23/12


Francis: Heb 10:26 is addressing the likes of you who bring yourself under the law.

Heb 10:26 'If you sin (Transgress the law 1John3:4) wilfully...'

BUT Christians are not under the law (1Tim 1:9, Rom 8:2, Gal 5:18). And where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION/sin, Rom 4:15.

Heb 10:26 speaks to those who turn to the law in spite of knowing the truth of the gospel of grace.
And you CAN'T mix works and grace, Rom 11:6.

But SDA doctrine does. And if you willfully continue following SDA doctrine it makes you a transgressor/sinner by being under the law (Gal 2:18). This is failing the grace of God (Heb 12:15) and being a spiritual "fornicator"(Heb 12:16).
---Haz27 on 4/23/12


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---ginger on 4/23/12
Questions for you:
Can a person go to Heaven no matter how they act, post-profession of Christ?

Can those who do not believe be saved?

Do those who believe live in sin or are they obedient to the law of God?

Do God's children keep his laws and do what's right

Do christians obey all ten commandments, or just a few of them?
---francis on 4/23/12


BLOG: Is grace unconsditional.
"only those who believe shall be saved by that grace, and those who believe OBEY THE LAW" 9/24/11
Thanks Haz!
---ginger on 4/23/12

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Againt i am 100% correct, he that believes shall be saved
those who belives ( THE SAINTS) do keep the laws of God
---francis on 4/23/12


"Can a person go to Heaven no matter how they act, post-profession of Christ? NO NO NO"--10/6/11
---ginger on 4/23/12

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

So after having THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, we cannot sin wilfully meaning we cannot act as we want post confession of christ and be saved

So my answer is correct NO NO NO we cannot act as we please after confessing christ and expect to be saved
---francis on 4/23/12


1Cliff, all your answers you come out with one rendering only of a perticular word in Scripture. You gave "The soul that sinneth it shall die" (Ez. 18:4) and concluded that when a person sins his soul dies. Since everyone has sinned, I suppose everyone's soul is dead already, but your wrong. In (Ez. 18:4) it was talking about the person who sinneth it shall die physical death. Soul here is the person. The word (Nephesh) can mean a person, breath, resperation, life, soul, spirit, depending on the context.
In the case of Rachel's death (Gen. 35:18) her soul departed from her, it left her. The same holds true in (1 Kings 17:21). The soul of the child who had died came back to him, and he revived. The soul had not died.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/12


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For Francis//

examples:
BLOG: Confessing Christians go to Heaven"
"Can a person go to Heaven no matter how they act, post-profession of Christ? NO NO NO"--10/6/11
BLOG: Is grace unconsditional.
"only those who believe shall be saved by that grace, and those who believe OBEY THE LAW" 9/24/11
BLOG: Meaning of my commandments.
"My point is a christian is one who obeys all ten commandments..."
BLOG: Obedience to will of God.
"God's children keep his laws and do what's right
---francis on 1/5/12"

BUT, SDAs FAIL to keep the commendments.
SDAs are under the curse, Gal 3:10
You CAN'T mix law and grace, Rom 11:6

Haz27 on 4/21/12 //

Thanks Haz!
---ginger on 4/23/12


Cliff, you have not poised in your question asking fervour to answer mine!

If you believe this day (of Genesis 1:3-5) can be of some other length please tell me what other time-period, other than a 24hr day, is composed of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?

But if you do not believe what Genesis here says, on what basis do you believe any NT book?

Romans 8:22 says the whole creation (not just man) suffers because of the fall. It went quickly from perfection with which God endowed it to increasing imperfection. Or do you say it always the mess it is today?

Why should I continue to answer your questions if you do not answer mine. I suppose it is because I have answers!
---Warwick on 4/22/12


Cliff I will be happy to answer your questions, however you have some 'catch-up' answering to do.
---Warwick on 4/22/12


Cliff, you whinged about me not answering your questions, but I do. However you rarely if ever answer mine. Hypocrisy?

You are saying that God who carried out amazing miracles (think Egypt) through man could not have a perfect man name a limited number of animals?

When God finished His creation and it included death, disease and suffering of animals and man would He have pronounced this "very good?"

So why did animals have to suffer and die if mans sin only has consequences for man?

Tell me where my reasoning from Scripture regarding the toledoths is wrong?

Which part of -All Scripture is God breathed- don't you get
---Warwick on 4/22/12


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James L, Like I pointed out the BoM supports soul's immortality, the bible does not!
Soul is mentioned over 800 times and not once does it say immortal,deathless or never dying.
The idea that it lives on is pagan!
---1st_cliff on 4/22/12


1st Cliff,
I love them apples. You poor soul, did you not read all of Alma 42?

And do you not konw what it means to be "dead" ??

God formed man out of dirt, then breathed into man the breath of life, and Then Man Became A Living Soul. In other words, a living being.

Alma 42 was purporting the Roman Catholic and Protestant doctrine of original sin, using "temporal" and "spiritual" death.

Smith also explained further:

Alma 42:11
"And now remember, my son, if it were not for the plan of redemption, (laying it aside) As Soon As They Were Dead their souls were miserable, 'Being Cut Off From The Presense Of The Lord'
---James_L on 4/21/12


Cluny, You're a bright guy but sometimes you amaze me.
Adam became a livng soul ,of course he was an individual!
What John saw was a vision,not reality and doesn't it say they were headless? (beheaded)
If you cut off a living soul's head he becomes a dead soul,right?
Peter says the spirits in prison were the fallen angels of Noah's day!(not souls)albeit spirit creatures are also living souls!
---1st_cliff on 4/22/12


After all, just what were the "spirits in prison" to whom Christ preached at His descent into the nether regions?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/12

Interesting Cluny. Whether these were spirits in prision whom God spoke to through Noah, and some interpret this verse in that way, OR whether Jesus infact preached, it would have to be damnation, since no one after death is given a second change) THEY ARE SPIRITS of MAN, PROVING that the spirit of the MAN never DIED at the fall in need of rebirthing, which actually is teaching re-incarnation.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/12


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Lee1538..What is the Book of Mormon story about since you have read it?
---KarenD on 4/21/12


\\while ignoring Ez.18.4 "the soul that sinneth it shall die"\\

If you read this passage in context, it is "taking a part for the whole" (I forget the name of this metaphor)--meaning the individual.

It's surely not talking about the souls that John saw under the altar in Revelation, which were clearly very much alive, though they had undergone physical death.

After all, just what were the "spirits in prison" to whom Christ preached at His descent into the nether regions?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/12


James l, Even stranger is the use of "Christ" Greek (Christos) anointed!

Ah but notice the evangelical fundamentalists bashing the Book of Mormon while embracing Alma 42.9 "therefore the soul could never die"
while ignoring Ez.18.4 "the soul that sinneth it shall die"
How do you like them apples?
---1st_cliff on 4/21/12


I very carefully and patiently read the entire book of Mormons as I was in a dialogue with my cousin's wife. They are Temple Mormon.

What I found is that most everything taught in the book of Mormons (with the exception of the last book) comes directly from the Bible. Not only that,but much of it is at odds with Mormon doctrine.

I pointed this out to my cousin's wife and she really had no answer for me.

One theory is that the Book of Mormons was written by a Methodist minister but when it went to the publisher, it disappeared and resurfaced a few years later with alterations.
---lee1538 on 4/21/12


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Still waiting ginger

I am waiting to see where I posted to live by both old covenant and new covenant
---francis on 4/21/12


I had a look at the Book of Morman. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone, I didn't read beyond the magical 'pens' (excuse my memory, some special stone or whatever) that write scripture. Theres no mention of magic pens at Numbers 12:6.
---jamea4353 on 4/21/12


ginger is correct, Francis.

Here's examples:
BLOG: Confessing Christians go to Heaven"
"Can a person go to Heaven no matter how they act, post-profession of Christ? NO NO NO"--10/6/11
BLOG: Is grace unconsditional.
"only those who believe shall be saved by that grace, and those who believe OBEY THE LAW" 9/24/11
BLOG: Meaning of my commandments.
"My point is a christian is one who obeys all ten commandments..."
BLOG: Obedience to will of God.
"God's children keep his laws and do what's right
---francis on 1/5/12"

BUT, SDAs FAIL to keep the commendments.
SDAs are under the curse, Gal 3:10
You CAN'T mix law and grace, Rom 11:6



---Haz27 on 4/21/12


You say all the time we must follow the old and the new.
---ginger on 4/21/12

You actually have to show an example
. Just saying that I do this is not good enough. So please give a post where I did this
---francis on 4/21/12


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You say all the time we must follow the old and the new.
---ginger on 4/21/12

Old and new what?
Books of the testement: Yes we do follow all the books of the bible Old or new

Old or new covenant: You must be mistaken, I have never said that
---francis on 4/21/12


HappyLDS....I too have read the Book of Mormon as well as the Doctrine of Covenants up to the point where I left the Mormon religion. You too can find true happiness in being assured of your salvation today. You don't have to work your way to eternal life and there will be no marriage/families in Heaven as the Bible says that will not happen. My brother continues to be a Mormon and is an Elder. He too does not know if he is saved until he dies. Sad!!! Jesus can set you free from all this nonsense.
---KarenD on 4/21/12


Major problem with the book of Mormon:

1Nephi 14
An angel tells Nephi...The Apostle John will write concerning the end of the world. About 600 to 592 B.C.
----------------
v20 And the angel said unto me: Behold aone of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

v21 Behold, he shall asee and bwrite the cremainder of these things, yea, and also many things which have been.

v22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
----------------

If it was written about 600bc, why is there an obvious Greek influence, using the word APOSTLE ??
---James_L on 4/21/12


Francis, I have noticed that SDA's like to mix the old covenant with the new.
---ginger on 4/20/12
EXAMPLE
---francis on 4/20/12

Every post that you post on here is an example of it, francis.
You say all the time we must follow the old and the new. That is not possible according to scripture. Read the scripture I posted and you will see what Christ said about this. The laws and ordinances were nailed to the cross with Christ. The new is not a continuation of the old. It is new cause it is NEW.
---ginger on 4/21/12


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HappyLDS: You are quick to make assumptions. It was your fellow Mormons who told me they prefer the BOM over the Bible (I wouldn't say it otherwise).

These same Mormon's gave me a LDS leaflet which claimed that there is no salvation without Joseph Smith. Also I recall there seemed to be a works based doctrine included in it's salvation message.

So..."Lets be honest - we can't "talk scripture" because you've already proven your inability to be open minded" because your a 'HappyLDS'.

BUT, if you throw out the BOM then we can talk scripture.
We could start talking about how salvation has nothing to do with Joseph Smith and the BOM if you want?
---Haz27 on 4/21/12


But I also must ask from what is written in this passage why SDA's believe Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, when all angels wheter they be of God or of Satan were all created?
---Rob on 4/20/12
GREAT
Here is my answer:

To anyone who was a SDA the answer would be perfectly clear why Michael the Arch angel is NOT a created being, but Jesus himself

No one who is or was a SDA would ask such a question because SDA know the answer.

secondly I have answered this question with MANY MANY scriptures in the blog " is Jesus an Arch angel" so go back to that blog and read my posts OR read Who is Michael the Archangel by
Doug Batchelor
---francis on 4/21/12


Happy,

The biggest problem for LDS is that it promotes works over faith. The translation to celestial glory (i.e. salvation) is based on works. Paul says that we are saved by faith, and faith alone, and not by works.

I guess this is why LDs is ANOTHER Gospel and not the original one.

BTW, I've read the BoM twice, D & C, Nibley, Sorenson and hundreds of other LDS academics' books.
---Marc on 4/21/12


aka,I would be happy to,but space is limited.
Thumbnail sketch:
God created humans as a unique creature,everything on this planet is designed for our use.(death was not part of the plan).
He did not say "If you're really good,then someday I'll take you to heaven".
He already has a hundred million angels there ,so creating man was not for the purpose of populating heaven.
Jesus' ransoming us from death will be accomplished by "resurrection"
He promised to take "some" to heaven as co-kings and priests.
Heaven:unnatural element, requires re-birth as a spirit being!
The meek inherit the earth!
Religion is falderal!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/12


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Hi Happy,

I have read the Book of Mormon, however most Mormons have not. Yes Mormons are taught that the Bible has errors in it, but the Book of Mormon is perfect. I am not sure that LDS can be labeled as a cult, but instead as a religion. However, a religion based upon the Bible of Mormon not the Bible.
---Moderator on 4/20/12


I have yet to see any of them comprehend "The big picture" only snippets mostly mythological!
---1st_cliff on 4/19/12

what is the big picture straight-up?

please i know what you say not to believe, but please share with us what to believe.
---aka on 4/20/12


Throw out that Book of Mormon and just keep to the REAL Bible, then we can talk scripture.
---Haz27 on 4/19/12

Lets be honest - we can't "talk scripture" because you've already proven your inability to be open minded. The BOM is exactly what it claims to be - Another Testament of Jesus Christ. You wouldn't know that because you listen to what you're told and haven't read it for yourself. Don't feel bad - most critics of the BOM haven't bothered to read it either. They just pick and choose things to find "wrong" with it and never bother to receive it's message of salvation through Jesus Christ. It's statements like yours that prove mine to be true.
---HappyLDS on 4/20/12


But as LDS have their own 2nd Bible, which they admit they prefer over the REAL bible, then that would be evidence enough that LDS is a cult.
---Haz27 on 4/19/12

Interesting statement - completely false, but interesting. The BOM is not our "2nd Bible" and we don't "prefer it over the real Bible". Yet another statement made in ignorance.
---HappyLDS on 4/20/12


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Francis, I am happy that you finally wrote what is written in Hebrews 1:1-5, and I THANK YOU.

But I also must ask from what is written in this passage why SDA's believe Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, when all angels wheter they be of God or of Satan were all created?
---Rob on 4/20/12


---Rob on 4/20/12
Hebrews 1:1 God,..Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high, Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

AGAIN JESUS IS GOD and NOT a created being
---francis on 4/20/12


---Scott1 on 4/20/12
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So salvation is only through Jesus who is GOD

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

This would include the sbabath commandments as well as thou shall not make graven images to bow down to




Francis, I have noticed that SDA's like to mix the old covenant with the new.
---ginger on 4/20/12
EXAMPLE
---francis on 4/20/12


Rod: 'Why is it those people who are in CULTS .....'

Even your starting statement is a bit 'uncertain' because you do not actually define a 'cult' and I have found at least some difference between visitors as to what a CULT IS
---Peter on 4/20/12


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KarenD //commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving

The belief that Adventists have that one may not eat whatever food ones desires even if 'every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused' alone would indicate that at least that view identifies them as a cult.

It is all too easy to see that the early church did not teach the Levitical dietary laws or Sabbath keeping to Gentile converts as neither was found in the history of most of the church by 135 AD.
---lee1538 on 4/20/12


Francis, why don't you actually write what is written in Hebrews 1:1-5?

You won't do this because you believe Jesus is Michael, which means you blieve the FALSE PROPHET Ellen G. White, and you believe in a FALSE CHRIST, Mark 13:22-23.

Awhile back, I asked you if a person who claims to be a Prophet of God, made a prophecy which did not come to pass, what type of Prophet are they. As usual, you would not answer that question.
---Rob on 4/20/12


Francis and Francis only
Do you believe that Jesus is God?

Do you believe that only Jesus can save?

Do you believe that Jesus alone is sufficent to be saved?

Do you believe that obeying the Sabbath is a requirement for salvation or a good policy to live by? How do you obey the Sabbath? Pick which one applies. I can do something or I cannot do something.
---Scott1 on 4/20/12


Francis, I have noticed that SDA's like to mix the old covenant with the new.
Christ expressly told us NOT to do this.
One is old (old wine, old cloth) and gone away.
One is new (new wine, new cloth) and we should walk in it.
According to scripture, Jesus says we will parish if we mix the 2.
See scriptures :
Matthew 9:16-18,
Mark 2:21-23, Luke 5:36-39

Why do you desire the old after having the new?
---ginger on 4/20/12


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1 Timothy 4 (KJV)
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron, 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ME!!!!! Cults all want to make up their own doctrine.
---KarenD on 4/20/12


Rob: It's because their minds are blinded. As a result they walk in darkness, they choose to believe & are deceived by the devil's lies. For example, any group of people who read the Bible & then equate Jesus (THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD) to being just a superior created being (a chief, arch-angel) are going down the same road of rebellion as the fallen Arch-angel Lucifer (Satan) did when he thought himself to be on par (equal to) God.
---Leon on 4/19/12

Cults do read the Bible, in parts (the parts they agree with). Some have even read the entire Bible & then rewritten it to suit their religious purposes. But, none have read it with understanding because they're not Holy Spirit led, not born again believers. They're deceived!
---Leon on 4/20/12


Rob, I answered your questions and all through the blog I pointed out that Jesus is God. I guess you do not read post of bible huh?

---Rob on 4/17/12
If you think i am saying that Jesus is a created being you are misstaken. Jesus is God.

Francis, what does the Bible say in Hebrews 1:1-5?
---Rob on 4/17/12

I answered your question, but you are so caught up in your cultish ways you did not even see what is written
---francis on 4/19/12

Now francis, why is it you won't share what is written Hebrews 1:1-5?
---Rob on 4/19/12
Now for the FOURTH TIME in reference to hebrews 1:1-5 I am NOT saying that Jesus is a created being. Jesus is God thr creater who created all the created beings
---francis on 4/20/12


1st Cliff, I agrre with you about most evangelical fundamentalist which in reality are CULTS.

I have seen so many of them, especially the ones you see on TBN and Daystar do what is written in Romans 1:25.

Many use the Christian name, but they are not.
---Rob on 4/20/12


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Rob, cults attack Jesus Christ by ignoring His two natures. They don't believe that the Mediator between God and men cannot be God only, or man only, (Gal. 3:20) says
"A Mediator is not of one, but God is one" A Mediator supposes two parties between whom He intervenes. But God is only One party. Consequently, the Mediator between God and men must be related to both, and be the equal of either. He cannot simply be God, who is only one of the parties, and has only one nature. Therefore the eternal Word must take man's nature into union with Himself if He would be a Mediator between God and men. "Therefore when He (the Mediator) cometh into the world, He saith, A body hast Thou prepared for Me" (Heb. 10:5).
---Mark_V. on 4/20/12


Happy LDS: I am happy/blessed I'm NOT an LDS.

But as LDS have their own 2nd Bible, which they admit they prefer over the REAL bible, then that would be evidence enough that LDS is a cult.

Throw out that Book of Mormon and just keep to the REAL Bible, then we can talk scripture.
---Haz27 on 4/19/12


Rob, Why single out "cults"?
I have difficulty getting a straight answer from evangelical fundamentalists!
They give their well rehearsed little shpeel! and cherry -picked scriptures!
I have yet to see any of them comprehend "The big picture" only snippets mostly mythological!
---1st_cliff on 4/19/12


Francis you wrote I am one the chief people who post without scriptures.

Francis, once again you have been caught in another LIE. All a person needs to do is rewiew these blogs and they will see all the times I have shared scriptures.

Now francis, why is it you won't share what is written Hebrews 1:1-5?
---Rob on 4/19/12


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As one accused of being in a cult (mostly on these blogs), I consider this question loaded. Loaded because there is no "acceptable" answer to it. The truth is the typical Evangelical Christian will not respond to the scripture evidence we "cultists" post...only to say its a "false teaching". There is never any evidence to "prove" the accusation. The bottomline is that there are many ways to interpret the scriptures - this is why there are so many denominations. Going after each other won't prove anything
---HappyLDS on 4/19/12


Rob, I answered your questions and all through the blog I pointed out that Jesus is God. I guess you do not read post of bible huh?

---Rob on 4/17/12
If you think i am saying that Jesus is a created being you are misstaken. Jesus is God.

Francis, what does the Bible say in Hebrews 1:1-5?
---Rob on 4/17/12

I answered your question, but you are so caught up in your cultish ways you did not even see what is written
---francis on 4/19/12


Francis, you are one of the people I am talking about.
---Rob on 4/19/12
LOL LOL LOL

SDA give more scriptures than anyone else on these blogs

Show me from scripture where sunday is the lord's day?

Who me where we are to keep only 9/10 of the ten commandments?


You are one of the chief people who post without scriptures accusing SDA and E G WHite of all kinds of stuff.

Ever notice that SDAs on these blogs do not care about other people's denominations?

We stick to THE BIBLE
It is people like you who post about E G WHITE
---francis on 4/19/12


Francis, you are one of the people I am talking about.

Many times others along with myself have asked you what is written in Galatians Chapter One, and Hebrews 1:1-5. Not once have you said what is written in these passages, but went on a rant with other scriptures.

You also say you keep the Ten Commandments, yet many times you have LIED and BEAR FALSE. WITNESS. Perfect example of this is many times you wrote I did not grow up in an SDA home, and must have been adopted or was a step child.
---Rob on 4/19/12


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---Rob on 4/19/12

I often wonder about that myself.

In my Bible itis TEN COMMANDMENTS with the 4th being keep the 7th dya Holy. It seems that these cults do not read their bible. the cults keeponly 9 come 8 yet they speak of TEN commandments

The NT says abstain from things strangled and from eating blood, TWO of the commandments from the dietary laws of God, yet cultist say we are not longer to obey the dietary laws

i wish these cultist would read their bible instead of using history for doctrie and following man made doctrines
---francis on 4/19/12


Rob: It's because their minds are blinded. As a result they walk in darkness, they choose to believe & are deceived by the devil's lies. For example, any group of people who read the Bible & then equate Jesus (THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD) to being just a superior created being (a chief, arch-angel) are going down the same road of rebellion as the fallen Arch-angel Lucifer (Satan) did when he thought himself to be on par (equal to) God.
---Leon on 4/19/12


Cultists do have their own version of the Bible, which usuallly is the common accepted Bible but their leader of their religion has edited it by removing and adding and changing the words, in order to support their groups doctrinal beliefs. As far as not being open to respond to the common accepted Holy Bible, some of them will listen, but then they will take the gospel that we shared with them back to their headquarters, and I think their headquarters mark the Christian house and tell their recruiting members to avoid future visiting our address again. I think it's all about money, they brainwash their members with their false doctrine and send them out to canvas the public for new recruits in order to get money from the gullible and the naive.
---Eloy on 4/19/12


KarenD - agree with you that the Mormons used the KJV of the Bible as my cousin's wife to whom I have had a dialogue with on their religion tells me this. And yes they also use the 'inspired' version written by Joseph Smith.

And yes, there are very heavy on rituals, especially those performed at the Temple. My cousin's wife & husband actually help out with the Temple worship. They hope to reach godhood and populate the worlds after their demise.

Often wondered what a woman would feel like being impregnated for centuries - real pain in the tuzi!
---lee1538 on 4/19/12


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Lee1538...You are wrong about LDS Mormons using the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible. They use the KJV. The Reorganized LDS (now known as Community of Christ) have the Inspired Version of the Bible which Joseph Smith wrote. LDS rely more on "prophesy" from their false prophets from Joseph Smith on than they do on Bible scripture. There are hundreds of branches of Mormons that came out of the false teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
---KarenD on 4/19/12


These so called cults do use the bible. The ones I have met read the KJV bible as well as other translations.I don't know who you met,but the ones I come across gladly share scripture.Also to me a false church what you call a "cult" is the one that says THEY are the only true church.i can name 1big falsechurch right now that I went to and left that sits right in the middle of the mainstream churches.
---Candice on 4/19/12


Cults will never write or give a straight answer from the Bible since their source of authority is something or someone else.

Mormomism for instance, is very heavy on the Book of Mormon, Doctrines & Covenants and the focus is on their temple ceremonies which promises them status in the life to come. Rarely will you find a Mormon that studies the Bible, but if you do they will quote their doctrinal beliefs from the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible.

Adventism, while they often quote the Bible, the true source of authority to them is the interpretations of Ellen White.

And yes, some cults will NOT accept any literature you may want to give them as they believe your religion is corrupted or from the Devil.
---lee1538 on 4/19/12


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