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Do We Eat Jesus At Communion

In Mark 14:22 we have jesus telling His disciples to take and eat, this is my body.

Are we to believe the bread actually become the body of Jesus as if we were to weigh all the bread served at communions tables throughout the world in a day, Jesus would weigh a ton?

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The REAL JESUS is like God ( THE FATHER)

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

and that is what MICHAEL means who is like God

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created,

The REAL JESUS is in charge of all the angels

Thatis what ARCH measn

MICHAEL= who is like God ( JESUS)
ARCHANGEL= ( incharge of or CHIEF of all the angels he created
---francis on 5/1/12


\\I encourage you also to get saved, and then you too will likewise get it and become a part of my family of Christ\\

Eloy, I am much happier being a member for the family of the REAL Jesus Christ, and not that entity youm call "christ" or yourm family of same.

Why should I give Him up for yourm mess of pottage?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/12


\\It is The REAL Jesus SDA worship when they keep the sabbath day holy AS COMMANDED BY THE REAL JESUS\\

The real Jesus is not and never was Michael the Archangel, as you falsely believe.

\\Vicarius Filii Dei is not the REAL JESUS CORRY\\

And what does THIS have to do with anything?

It's not even a Roman Catholic title for the Pope.

There's something in the 10 Commandments about bearing false witness, too.

Eloy, please quit responding to my posts unless youm are willing to accept the truth.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/12


---Cluny on 5/1/12
wrong again
Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The REAL JESUS is the creator of heavena nd earth
It is The REAL Jesus SDA worship when they keep the sabbath day holy AS COMMANDED BY THE REAL JESUS


Vicarius Filii Dei is not the REAL JESUS CORRY
---francis on 5/1/12


cluny, Yes of course, my life is proven that I got it. Cluny, I encourage you also to get saved, and then you too will likewise get it and become a part of my family of Christ.
---Eloy on 5/1/12




\\SDA do not expect to drink his real blood in the kingdom, but the same fruit of the wine\\

That's because they don't believe in the real Jesus to start with, on the basis of your own posts here.

Christ is risen1
---Cluny on 5/1/12


---Cluny on 5/1/12

Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat, this is my body.

Matthew 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it,

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom

SDA do not expect to drink his real blood in the kingdom, but the same fruit of the wine
---francis on 5/1/12


Ruben, You see things literally. You see Ruben, if the Spirit of Christ is already in us, what is the purpose of eating Him?

Mark,

Jesus answer to you would be:

Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!"( JHn 6:61-62)

Mark they took him literally:

" How can this man give us his flesh"V 52, notice Jesus answers to them.

"On hearing it, many of his disciples said, This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?v60

He will explain if you misunderstood him," (Mark 4:3) but will let you leave if you do understand him , because Jesus said we had to believe in him in order to inherit eternal life
---Ruben on 5/1/12


\\Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!


---jerry6593 on 5/1/12\\

But since SDAs do not believe in the real Jesus Christ, they do not understand what He meant.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/12


Ruben, you too fail to see the spiritual significance concerning what Jesus spoke. You see things literally. You see Ruben, if the Spirit of Christ is already in us, what is the purpose of eating Him? The spiritual significance was that once He died, His death would allow every believer to receive Him forever, but not in the flesh but in the Spirit. But you rather want to eat His human flesh which you cannot eat. His human flesh remains the same, He doesn't lose any parts. His Spirit lives within us forever.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/12




Cluny: "You know, the early Christians were accused of cannibalism, too. I'm glad you number me with them."

If you knew your Bible, you would know that those who believed that the bread and wine became actual flesh and blood were the ones that "walked no more with him" (Joh 6:66).

The ones who stayed with Jesus heard Him say:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The communion emblems of bread and wine (according to Jesus) are spiritual metaphors for His body and blood - not the cannibalistic fare of cults.

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!


---jerry6593 on 5/1/12


StrongAxe, it's useless to give the strong food concerning the Eucharist and other sacraments to people who don't even believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate in two natures in one Person.

Therefore I will say no more on the matter.

Eloy, youm don't actually think that YOUM get it, do youm?

jerry, I'm just saddened that you are of one mind with the Roman pagans who persecuted and killed Christians.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/30/12


Cluny:

You said: However, it's DIVINE flesh and DIVINE blood we receive.

However, was Jesus not BOTH fully divine AND fully human? So would this not ALSO be human flesh and human blood?
---StrongAxe on 4/30/12


jerry6593, ha ha. That's funny. I don't think he'll get it, he might think that we Christians are also vampires.
---Eloy on 4/30/12


Mark_V.* Ruben,

(v. 52) 'How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?"


Let's see what Jesus said after that:

" Jesus said to them, Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."54

"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink."

56

And Mark "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him"

Where is the hey guys you misunderstood me? Instead you get
67 "You do not want to leave too, do you? Jesus asked the Twelve. "
---Ruben on 4/30/12


\\Cluny: You guys better be careful! You have just admitted publically that you are eating human flesh and drinking human blood\\

You know, the early Christians were accused of cannibalism, too.

I'm glad you number me with them.

However, it's DIVINE flesh and DIVINE blood we receive.

Try again.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/30/12


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Cluny: You guys better be careful! You have just admitted publically that you are eating human flesh and drinking human blood. The police could break down your door at any time and haul you cannibals to jail. LOL!


---jerry6593 on 4/30/12


I find it little humorous how the same unintelligent antiChrist individuals continually post their nonsense.
---Eloy on 4/30/12


Ruben, it was hard for the Jews to understand what Jesus was talking about (v.64) says,
"But there are some of you who do not believe" Because He is God, He knew what He had just spoken some would not believe.
"For Jesus was speaking spiritually (v.63) "The words that I speak to you are spirit" Even you Ruben, do not believe what He was talking about just like those in (v. 52) "The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, 'How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?" Because Jesus was not refering to literal flesh or literal blood. The Jews failed to see the spiritual significance. They were unable to go beyond the mere physical perspective, and were perplexed and angered.
---Mark_V. on 4/30/12


//Can you prove these programs false, aka?//

i never said they were false. i asked so i could see if i could find them for my own viewing. can you prove these programs are true? the first step to proving this is letting us in on it. sorry, but because cluny said doesn't fly.

//Both the impact hypothesis and the Bible agree that the earth existed before the moon.//

ok...so why won't you share the source?

//BTW--I think this was a misplaced answer.//

the other blog closed and if there is anything that can further my belief in God is most welcome.
---aka on 4/29/12


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\\//The impact theory of the origin of the moon, and cosmology in general, have NOTHING to do with Darwinism or the evolution of life.// cluny

Please do not confuse them.//

you miss the point. we watch many programs. that does not mean the are true. what is your source that says the earth used to do one revolution in 6 hours? it is a straight up question.
---aka on 4/29/12\\

Can you prove these programs false, aka?

Both the impact hypothesis and the Bible agree that the earth existed before the moon.

BTW--I think this was a misplaced answer.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/12


//The impact theory of the origin of the moon, and cosmology in general, have NOTHING to do with Darwinism or the evolution of life.// cluny

Please do not confuse them.//

you miss the point. we watch many programs. that does not mean the are true. what is your source that says the earth used to do one revolution in 6 hours? it is a straight up question.
---aka on 4/29/12


\\We do not eat Jesus at Communion, instead during the Communion we eat of the memory of Jesus' sacrifice that he personally done for us.\\

If youm knew Biblical Greek the way youm claim youm do, Eloy, youm would know that the Greek word "anemnesis" does not mean a mere mental remembrance, but an actual making present of what is being commemorated.

But since youm are sinuous, youm can't be expected to do so.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/12


We do not eat Jesus at Communion, instead during the Communion we eat of the memory of Jesus' sacrifice that he personally done for us.
---Eloy on 4/28/12


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It's curious that the apostolicaly founded Semitic Churches, both West and East Syrian, who use Aramaic as their principal liturgical language and would certainly recognize Semitic metaphors when they heard them....

These teach that the bread and wine in the Eucharist become the Body and Blood of Christ.

Now what?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/28/12


Ruben:

1) Jesus deliberately made his teachings obtuse so that nobody could understand him - basically, so people would hear and not understand. If this were the case, why bother teaching at all? Why didn't he just do it in Chinese while he was at it?
2) He didn't explain most of his metaphors, because he expected his followers would be intelligent enough to figure out that they were metaphors
3) He DID always explain himself, but the gospel writers expected their readers to understand metaphors, so they didn't bother writing it down.
---StrongAxe on 4/26/12

Strongaxe,

Then Jesus was a liar when he said" he will send the Holy Spirit and he will led us to 'ALL" truth"..
---Ruben on 4/28/12


1stCliff, the subject of this thread is about the Eucharist, not about which books of the NT are reliable and why.

If you want to start a blog on this issue, we can discuss it there.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/12


Ruben:

Jesus frequently spoke in metaphors, but only rarely explained that he was doing so. This can mean one of three things:

1) Jesus deliberately made his teachings obtuse so that nobody could understand him - basically, so people would hear and not understand. If this were the case, why bother teaching at all? Why didn't he just do it in Chinese while he was at it?
2) He didn't explain most of his metaphors, because he expected his followers would be intelligent enough to figure out that they were metaphors
3) He DID always explain himself, but the gospel writers expected their readers to understand metaphors, so they didn't bother writing it down.
---StrongAxe on 4/26/12


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many of his followers thought he WAS speaking literally (and advocating cannibalism, which was forbidden by Jewish law), so they fell away when he said it.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/12

Then why didn't Jesus call them back and tell them, hey you misunderstood me. Why turn to the Apostles and also tell them " Do you also what to go"? And since Jesus was a Jew and knew the law about eating flesh and drinking blood, why did he continue on about eating his flesh and drinkng his blood? Besides Jesus explain to them when talking metaphor ( Jhn 4:31-18)( Mt 16:6-12) Why didn't Jesus sai to them : How is it you don't understand That I was not talking about my flesh"
---Ruben on 4/26/12


\\Jesus was not saying the bread is PHYSICALLY his flesh. He was speaking in a less-than-literal sense.\\

Something can be quite literally true, without being physically true, StrongAxe.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/12


Cluny, Is that how you talk to new converts?
1st you must believe the whole bible or we can't talk about it!
2nd If we do not have a"common universe of discourse" then I can't preach to you !
3rd You are a fool for asking!
4th You must believe every word as written, without question, or you are a fool!
---1st_cliff on 4/25/12


Cluny:

That's what I was saying - Jesus was not saying the bread is PHYSICALLY his flesh. He was speaking in a less-than-literal sense. Unfortunately, many of his followers thought he WAS speaking literally (and advocating cannibalism, which was forbidden by Jewish law), so they fell away when he said it.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/12


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StrongAxe, we've had this conversation face to face before.

NOBODY ever said that this was physically the Body of Christ, except for controversialists trying to mock the doctrine of the Eucharist.

And as I've also pointed out, "substance" is here a philosophical and theological term that does NOT have the same meaning as in ordinary speech.

But even quantum physics says that the physical universe is more than we can perceive with our senses.

How much more does this apply to spiritual matters such as the most holy Eucharist?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/25/12


Cluny:

Of course not. He was using a metaphor, and it was clear that he was, because he was handing them an actual piece of bread, and not a chunk of meat.

You can't physically give somebody a piece of your own flesh without losing that piece, and Jesus wasn't missing any body parts. He didn't detach his own arm.

Even the doctrine of transubstantiation believes that the bread and wine are "substantially" changed to the body and blood, but they are not "physically" changed.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/12


Matthew 14:21 "And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children."
How much would it have weighed all the bread from the five loaves who fed the five thousand?

Same with raising the dead or walking on water, what you say is that Jesus was an illusionist or is
it you pick and choose what to believe? What's the criteria, that it offends you not?
"Doth this offend you?"
"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
---Nana on 4/25/12


\\Cluny, I take it that you're not able to answer a straight forward question.
What has my belief got to do with it?\\

If we do not have a common universe of discourse, and in this case we clearly do not about the authority of the Bible, then there's no point in my trying to answer you.

As the Bible itself says, "Answer not a fool according to his folly."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/25/12


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Cluny/Ruben, if you want to take those passages on the bread and make them literal you run into trouble. If the flesh literally turns to bread then,
""This bread is my flesh which I shall give for the life of the world" (JHn 6:51)"
If read literally, Jesus is going to give bread, which is His flesh to who? "for the life of the world" Does the literal world need bread to live? No, the world does not eat.

The world is already alive with people, nature, and animals. The dirt does not need life. People who are spiritually separated from God need Christ sacrifice. Jesus refers here prophetically to His impending sacrifice upon the Cross (2 Cor. 5:2: 1 Peter 2:24).
---Mark_V. on 4/25/12


\\"This is my body, this is my blood" is a statement of already-existing fact\\

You don't think He was referring to His own physical person when He said that, do you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/12


Cluny, I take it that you're not able to answer a straight forward question.
What has my belief got to do with it?
If one is to believe that all Paul's letters are "God's word" then how is it established? Do you really know?
---1st_cliff on 4/24/12


Cluny:

Note that "Let there be light", "Depart", "See", "Be opened", "Rise and walk", "Awake! Come forth!" are all commands, which were subsequently obeyed.

"Your sins are forgiven you" is a statement of fact. It does not matter when those sins are forgiven (whether now, previously, or eternally), the end result is the same.

"This is my body, this is my blood" is a statement of already-existing fact, and not a command (i.e. "let this be my body, let this be my blood", which would be a command to transform from one thing (bread) into something else (flesh)).
---StrongAxe on 4/24/12


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\\Did you see Jesus giving His bread to the Muslims, J.Witness, Mormons etc?\\

If they are willing to abandon their error and become Orthodox, He does.

Same for you.

And for you, 1stCliff, you are saying that you reject most of the NT.

In other words, you don't believe God's Word, so there's no point in continuing this discussion.

**Similarity???**

Not in the least.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, you are arguing against the Truth. you give (John 6:51) and conclude it is literal, giving,
"This bread is my flesh which I will give to the world" (JHn 6:51)"

Was it his flesh on the cross or not?

Mark_V. You know you interpreted that passage wrong and yet, still gave it. Why?

Are you cliaming to be Infallible?

Mark V* You have believed a lie. And you cannot help but defend it.

Mark, so sound like this:

"Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying, who can hear it?" (Jhn 6:60)

"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him"(JHn 6:66)
---Ruben on 4/24/12


Ruben, you are arguing against the Truth. you give (John 6:51) and conclude it is literal, giving,
"This bread is my flesh which I will give to the world" (JHn 6:51)"
Did you see Jesus giving His bread to the Muslims, J.Witness, Mormons etc? Ask them. The bread they get is from the store. You know you interpreted that passage wrong and yet, still gave it. Why? You have believed a lie. And you cannot help but defend it. What is called "theological bias." His body never turns to bread. If it did, we would not have a truine God. The RCC and a few others would be cannibals. His Spirit is in our hearts already. Now you want to eat Him, not possible. Siminlar to the doctrine that Mary became sinless.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/12


Cluny, Can you answer me this ?
At what point and how did Paul's words become God's word???
On who's authority did Paul become God'spokesman??
In the OT God spoke "audibly"!
Constantine is reputed to have seen "In Hoc Vinces" in the sky with 500 witnesses (turns out he's the only one who saw it).
No one saw Christ or heard the conversation stated by Paul en route to Damascus!
(they simply heard a voice)
Similarity???
---1st_cliff on 4/23/12


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\\Half wit or whole wheat?
Or maybe a waffer?
---francis on 4/23/12\\

As I've said many times before, Orthodox don't use wafers. Note its proper spelling, btw.

You certainly are not the wheat of God referred to by St. Ignatius on his way to martyrdom.

Christ is risen!!
---Cluny on 4/23/12


Jn. 6:47-51 (NIV): "47 Very truly I tell you, the one who BELIEVES has eternal life. 48 I AM the bread of life...bread that comes down from heaven...51 I AM the living bread... Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Different words, same metaphorical, symbolically contrasting idea Cluny! Jesus nor the Bible teaches He, somehow, magically turns his physical body from flesh to bread & vice versa. That's twisted, unbiblical & totally absurd!
---Leon on 4/23/12


God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God Incarnate said to demons, "Depart," and they departed.

He said to blind eyes, "See," and they saw.

He said to deaf ears, "Be opened," and they were.

He said to paralytics, "Rise and walk", and they did.

He said to sinful people, "Your sins are forgiven you," and they were.

He said to dead bodies, "Awake! Come forth," and it was so.

If you can believe when He said, "This is My Body, this is My Blood," and nothing happened, your faith is greater than mine.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/12


I'll bet you think you're a wit, francis.

You could be half right.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/12

Half wit or whole wheat?
Or maybe a waffer?
---francis on 4/23/12


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\\Jesus spoke metaphorically, not literally, about the bread being his body.\\

That's not what Jesus did in John 6.

He kept on repeating the same thing over and over, in different words.

francis, may I remind you that Jesus said, "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks"--or in this case, the fingers type. He also said that what comes out of the person defiles him.

So much for your claiming special spiritual status because you don't eat pork.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/12


Leon* Jesus spoke metaphorically, not literally, about the bread being his body.

Lets see:

" This bread is my flesh which I will give to the world" (JHn 6:51)

So his body on the cross was metaphorically, is that correct?

" This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. "( MT 26:28)

So his blood which he pour out for us was metaphorically, really!



Leon* He used a symbolic gesture to "remind" them of the manna episode in the wilderness & contrast it to his going far beyond merely filling their bellies.

Was not the manna real, not symbolic?

---Ruben on 4/23/12


\\I Like the toes.
More specfically the toe jam
---francis on 4/23/12\\

I'll bet you think you're a wit, francis.

You could be half right.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/12


Jesus spoke metaphorically, not literally, about the bread being his body. He used a symbolic gesture to "remind" them of the manna episode in the wilderness & contrast it to his going far beyond merely filling their bellies.

Bottomline: Jesus wants all of his followers/disciples (then & now) to regularly remember his sacrifice on the cross for the remission of our sins.
---Leon on 4/23/12


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So,now you have determined that one of the eyewitness (one of the three closest to Jesus) is now not credible even though Jesus did not even qualify the two or three witnesses.

That's quite remarkable.
---aka on 4/23/12


Do We Eat Jesus At Communion
---lee1538 on 4/20/12

I Like the toes.
More specfically the toe jam
---francis on 4/23/12


Hi, Peter (c: I offer > in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, about how the Corinthians were "not discerning the Lord's body" > earlier, here, Paul says there were people shaming "those who have nothing". Those poor Christians being shamed were Jesus Christ's own body > "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." (Ephesians 5:30) By shaming them, Corinthians were not discerning how those poor Christians were "the Lord's body."

So, I offer that Paul was not concerned with how they were treating a piece of bread, but how they were mistreating Christ's poor people. Also . . . He says they were eating "this bread", not eating "His body".
---willie_c: on 4/23/12


\\Cluny, To answer your question ,the bible says two or more witnesses establish a matter!\\

What you're saying is you're looking for excuses not to believe the Word of God.

Therefore, since there is only reference to say Jesus said John 3:16, we will have to cut that out of the Bible.

There's only one reference that gives the Magnificat and Benedictus. And so it goes.

Get your scissors ready, people. It's going to really be a hatchet job.

Did you know that St. Paul's verses about the Mystical Supper are the OLDEST ones in the Bible?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/12


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aka, Peter wrote that letter some 30 years after Paul took over leadership of the Christian group embracing Paul's charismatic style.
Easily influenced,Peter's track record was not spotless,remember!
---1st_cliff on 4/23/12


How can you verify that what Paul and Luke stated was fact when "eye witnesses" do not mention it? -cliff

1. eyewitnesses do give credence to Paul's writings.

2Pe 3:15-16 ...just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

2. How can you verify that what Paul and Luke stated was not fact when "eye witnesses" do not mention it?
---aka on 4/23/12


lee1538* If the bread becomes the body of Christ, do we eat his toe, his hand, his buttock, his leg, his arm, etc. or what?

In scripture they ask the same question:

" How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"( Jhn 6:52)

What do you think was Jesus answer?

lee1538* If the bread becomes the body of Christ, do we eat his toe, his hand, his buttock, his leg, his arm, etc. or what?

And what did some of his disciples said or did?

"Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, This is a hard saying, who can understand it?( JHn6:60)

"From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more."(JHn 6:66)

What did Jesus say about this?
---Ruben on 4/22/12


Is cannibalism part of Christian ritual?---atheiston 4/21/12

No. There were practices at that time that involved blood sacrifice and even cannibalism. Jesus was making a parallel, which is now ritualized.
---aka on 4/22/12


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Cluny, To answer your question ,the bible says two or more witnesses establish a matter!
How can you verify that what Paul and Luke stated was fact when "eye witnesses" do not mention it?
Do "hearsay" witnesses count? It is possible that Paul thought it was a good idea and Luke seconded it!
Wouldn't eye witnesses write a "command" of Jesus ,one that all Christendom now commemorate??
---1st_cliff on 4/22/12


Ps. 34:8 (NLT): "Taste & see that the LORD is good... take refuge [BELIEVE] in him!"

Jn. 6:47-51 (NIV): 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who BELIEVES has eternal life. 48 I AM the bread of life...bread that comes down from heaven...51 I AM the living bread... Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

1 Cor. 11:24-25 (NIV): 24 "...when he had given thanks, he broke it & said, 'This is my body, WHICH IS FOR YOU, DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.' 25 In the same way...he took the cup, saying, 'This...is the new covenant IN MY BLOOD, DO THIS, when you drink it, IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.'
---Leon on 4/22/12


Rhonda: 'Christ did not imply....'

While I do not normally take it to be a direct implication, it is simple enough, and it can well be taken that Paul (1 Cor 11:27) felt that way, that communion, even if not literally Jesus' body, is still taken by God to be as blameworthy if we misuse it (1 Cor 11, esp 29-30).

I don't have a definite view, but your comments implying that believers know one way not the other seem to differ with church history
---Peter on 4/22/12


Well, Jesus did take bread and say "this is My body". And Jesus said "I am the vine" (John 15).

And Paul has said, "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." (Ephesians 5:30) So, we are the body of Jesus.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

"For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes" (1 Corinthians 11:26) > Paul does not say, "when you eat Christ's body". And he does not say when you eat this you are eating His body, but you are proclaiming His death.
---willie_c: on 4/22/12


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\\Cluny,Marginal references, footnotes,index are all "in the bible" so to you it doesn't matter who wrote what so long as it's between the pages?\\

Discerning, mature readers can tell the difference between the text of the Bible itself and other material added by the translator or publisher.

Can you?

BTW, you may or may not know this, but many people definitely do not. (My late father was among them.) Chapter and verse divisions are not in the original mss.

To phrase my question in a different way, to protect your scruples, how many times must something be in the text of the Bible itself (NOT notes and the like) for it to be true?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/12


When I meet someone I know, I put my arm around them.
Then say God bless you.

I don't put my arm around everyone I meet!
Nor do I, do it, every time I see you in a day.
But, it is nice to know you love me, in more than words.

Maybe you're right!
Why don't we just say HI and keep walking?
You know, maybe dont even say it's good to see you!
In fact, let's not even say hi or brother, sister.
Let's not even walk past each other.

Is this clear enough?
1Co_10:29 Conscience, I say,
1Co_10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

P----
---TheSeg on 4/22/12


\\rcc follows the pagan mirtha religion, they follow its customs and traditions\\

Most interesting, Rhonda.

For the second time, I'm asking you to PLEASE provide a quote from the approriate Mithraic document linking the Euharist to Mithraism.

Bet you can't!

BTW, Churches of Apostolic foundation that have NEVER been part of the Roman Church also teach that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. Did you know that?

\\as outlined in their catechism a document that OPENLY contradicts Gods Holy Word\\

If you had ever actually looked at the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, you would have seen that there are Scripture references at the bottom of each page, Rhonda.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/12


Cluny,Marginal references, footnotes,index are all "in the bible" so to you it doesn't matter who wrote what so long as it's between the pages?
How can you heed Christ's warning to "beware" if you don't care!
Actually the "bible" doesn't say anything (like the newspaper) it only says what the writers pen!
---1st_cliff on 4/22/12


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\\ do we eat his toe, his hand, his buttock, his leg, his arm, etc. or what?\\

Who's "We", Kemo Sabe?

YOU just get bread and fluid of some kind.

Orthodox Christians receive the ENTIRE Christ--not just a part of His physical body. And Christ is MORE than a human person or physical body.

When the atheists had their big meeting, one thing they decided to do was mock the Eucharist. Are you of one mind with them?

**The ones who stated Christ saying "keep doing this" is Paul and Luke even though neither one was there as a witness to this so-called command!**

1stCliff, how many times does the Bible have to say something for it to be true?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/12


Jesus said, "This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. The Spirit whom makes being alive, the flesh profits not nothing: the words which I talk to you are spirit, and stands life." Lk.22:19+ Jn.6:63.
---Eloy on 4/21/12


Another classic example of fundamentalists ignoring scriptural "logic"
Of all the bible writing Apostles who attended the last supper, not one said "keep doing this" as a command from Christ!
The ones who stated Christ saying "keep doing this" is Paul and Luke even though neither one was there as a witness to this so-called command!
How does that work?
---1st_cliff on 4/21/12


Mark 14:22 is speaking of symbols

Christ did not EAT his own body at passover he instructed to use the bread and wine as new symbols HENCE replacing the blood of a real lamb

Christ is the LAMB

Christ did not imply and Apostles did not teach one was eating Christ by eating bread at passover

rcc is a pagan NON-christian entity. rcc does not follow Christ. rcc follows the pagan mirtha religion, they follow its customs and traditions as outlined in their catechism a document that OPENLY contradicts Gods Holy Word
---Rhonda on 4/21/12


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atheist said: "Is cannibalism part of Christian ritual?

Now atheist, didn't I tell you before if you become a Christian you'll understand?
Remember?
1Cor 2:13,14 "we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

1Cor 10:3,4 "all eat the same SPIRITUAL meat, And did all drink the same SPIRITUAL drink: for they drank of that SPIRITUAL Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

Believe on Jesus if you want the spiritual understanding.
---Haz27 on 4/21/12


yes, spiritual things are interpreted by those who are spiritual. However, that does not mean we have to turn off our brains in order to accept someones interpretations of the Bible.

If the bread becomes the body of Christ, do we eat his toe, his hand, his buttock, his leg, his arm, etc. or what?

Is it not enough for us to simply partake of the Lord's supper as commanded and not be concerned as to whether it is the actual body and blood of Jesus or do we have to accept somebody's interpretation as well?
---lee1538 on 4/21/12


Spiritual things are spiritually discerned, lee.

You can believe Jesus, or argue with Him, just like those who abandoned Him on this very issue in John 6:66.

And if Jesus can multiply loaves and fishes, can He not multiply His Eucharistic body?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/12


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