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How many of you are truly ready if the Lord Jesus would come back right now for you? Would your soul and your heart be without spot or wrinkle? I strongly encourage every one of you to get right with God, for it is no time to be less than wholeheartedly in the Lord. Matthew 24:44,48-51.

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2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

We have to take God at His word that the Law of The The Spirit of the "LIFE OF CHRIST" is what set us free from the law of sin and death.

Again just another scripture proving that our old man spirit is not what is re-birthed to set us free from our sin and death state. That would actually be saving oneself, or giving oneself the power to set oneself free from oneself's corruptable sinful self.

So let's IDENTIFY WHAT/WHO's Spirit has set us free. And HOW are we set free? Shall we continue to SIN that GRACE may abound? GOD FORBID. Read who set you free, AND HOW you are set free. Romans 6-8!
---kathr4453 on 4/26/12


MarkV, Really?
I am not the one having a problem with God's word. You are. I went and read all of Romans 9 just to see if what you said was truth. It was not.
You altered the verse I stated that you did.
And that particular chapter in Romans 9 is not about man being vessels of dishonor and chosen being vessels of honor.
It is about the jews who did not believe Christ and gentiles who had faith in Christ.
The vessel of dishonor is the Jews who didn't believe and the vessel of honor is CHRIST.
They come from the same lump of clay...ISRAEL!
It also stated who adoption was for...ISRAEL!
Brother, you show your ignorance of scripture.
---ginger on 4/26/12


Craig/ Ginger/ Kathr, you have to be honest, none of you have anything from Scripture to give. Really, go back and read the answers all of you give, no Scripture, no explanations, only personal accusations, trying to demean me, but in the process all of you not only sin, but also speak against the Truth which is worse, which show a lack of fear of God. Kathr is a good example of someone who is depraved. And all of you give her amens when she twist the Word of God just like the Pharisees. Jesus said, "Why do you not hear My words? because "you are not able" to listen to My word." So the Truth is foolishness to all of you. But it is the power of God and the wisdom of God to those who are called.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12


Michael e, everyone does receive some measure of grace from God everyday. The sun shines on the just and the unjust, It rains for both, Some unbelievers live better then some believers. But saving Grace that brings life to those who are lost, is given by God to whom He wants to have mercy on. He is not obligated to save anyone, that He does save some by grace through faith is the miracle.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12


Jonweckl: I suggest reading the context of scripture and then you'll see we are not under the law. Your question on Rom 8:2 was unusual considering the scripture's clarity.

Are you an SDA or similar, who teaches that Christians are under the law? You seem to be saying that Christians should establish righteousness under the law.
---Haz27 on 4/26/12




Ginger, first, I'm not saved by my works. Second, I write down the passages for you, from the KJV, and you reject (1Cor. 1:18 and 1:23,24). It was God's Word and you thought it was foolishness. Just like those to whom Paul was speaking about. And how do you respond? Just like the others, they reject the Truth so answer with the only things they can do, accusations. Why? because its a stumbling block to you.

"But we preach Christ crucified to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jew and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God" (1 Cor. 1:23,24).
We have also preached the Truth to many of you, but it is only a stumbling block to most of you.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12


I have made my call and election sure. ---Mark_V. on 4/26/12

No you aren't because you do not forgive as God says to forgive. You hold a grudge, MarkV please let it go and believe all of God's word and stop cherry picking. It causes confusion and God is not a God of confusion.
You lack understanding because of your beliefs. I see you try so hard to make scripture fit what you believe.
All of the rest of us just post scripture as it is. You twist it. Leaving out a piece here and adding a piece there.
!!!Warning brother, God says not to do this either.
Don't see you making your calling and election sure. I see you trying to promote what you believe and what you believe is false.
---ginger on 4/26/12


//Faith is not a work the way you say it is. Where do you get that? God has placed a measure of faith in all mankind (biblical).
---ginger on 4/26/12//
Amen ginger
Rom 12:3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
---michael_e on 4/26/12


The lost don't understand it, its foolishness to them.---MarkV

At one point in your life was it ever foolishness to you?
---CraigA on 4/26/12


Isn't it amazing how MarkV goes from blog to blog telling EVERYONE how WRONG they are.

Talk about a troublemaker, Questioning everything and everyone on line.

YET he hates being questioned or told how wrong he is.

Does markV really believe he is BETTER than anyone else?

Prove your BETTER markV, or ABOVE questioning and rebuking.

You causse trouble from thread to thread. Always sturrng up trouble.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/12




So Mark, youre saying that IF you make your calling and election sure, then an entrance will be supplied to you in Gods kingdom? Thats exactly what that scripture just said! Poor scripture to back up your belieFs that you are elected to salvation.

The NIV clears up the confusion..

Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

For something so set in stone, the word of God certainly has a lot of "IF's" in it. I guess He is just misunderstood by the majority of believers
---CraigA on 4/26/12


Haz, the point i was saying is that the phrase "christians are not under the law" is too general. Firstly, that phrase is not in any of the verses you cited. And if you notice Rom.8:2 "For the law of the Spirit...has set you free from the law of sin and death" , talks about TWO laws.. the law of the spirit and the law of sin/death. So if we apply your conclusion here, question 1 would be which law are we not under? or is it both? and #2 if we are not under any law (in general) how can the law of the spirit, if we are not under it, set us free from another law (sin and death).
Again, the word law as used many times in the bible may point to different laws, and should not be used haphazardly to create a general conclusion.
---jonweckl on 4/26/12


MarkV, you amaze me. or should I say your ignorance amazes me.
What did Christ say?
You have been given scripture upon scripture and yet you still don't believe, you choose to follow this false doctrine.
You ignore what Christ said about the parable of the sower. Tell me, since RICHARD and Christan refuse to answer, HOW DID ALL 4 hear? What is the difference between the 3 that were not saved and the one that was if ALL 4 heard?
Your interpretation of scripture is horrible not to mention the 1000's that you flat ignore right along with your little buddies.
---ginger on 4/26/12


MarkV, why do you always alter scripture? and did you bother to read ALL of what chapter ones says?
Paul is talking about how Christ is foolishness to those who think they are wise about the world. WISE AFTER THE FLESH (1 cor 1:26)

And why did you alter verse 18? it does not say that at all.
Paul is talking about how the "wise men" of the Jews and Greeks think themselves wise. Paul is not directing this chapter to all sinners.
---ginger on 4/26/12


Ginger, sorry, your wrong, Christan and Richard are correct. Two passages to bring light:

"The preaching of the Cross is to them that (what?) perish (the lost) foolishness, but unto (who?) "us" which are saved" it is the power of God" ( 1 Cor. 1:18). The lost don't understand it, its foolishness to them.

Second passage,
"But we preach Christ crucified, (to who?) unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness: But "unto them which are called" both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God" (1 Cor. 1:23,24).
Nothing could be more clear that the lost who perish do not have faith or understanding.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12


jon, have to say those post were awesome!
Haz,you and Blogger were right on time.

Christan, and RICHARD keep saying God has to give faith not realizing that the word says God has already given every man a measure of it. Once they hear the gospel, they have a choice to put that faith in God and believe and let God transform them or to turn away and place that faith in something else.
They refuse to see God has already done the work. He has given the GIFT, all we have to do is receive it.
---ginger on 4/26/12


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Christan, Yes, I will always preach Christ loudly always and at all times, bursting forth his praises because out of my mouth my heart speaks, and Christ Jesus fills my heart like a well of living water bubbling up for all to drink from. But you Christan, a fruitless tree, your words bear no Christ. You are in need salvation, and then afterward you too will be able to post the words of Christ.
---Eloy on 4/25/12


RICHARDC said: "FAITH IS A WORK"

Correct. That is our works.
When Jesus was asked what works should we do, he answered: "that ye believe on him (Jesus) whom he hath sent" John6:29

Unfortunately some also add to this works of the law which is not supported in scripture.
---Haz27 on 4/25/12


--"All" of His sheep WILL BE SAVE!--Christan

Judas Iscariot was also chosen by Christ. He was lost.

At the time Jesus said this, how many had been given to him? 12 Jewish disciples. When Jesus was praying "not for the world" but for those given to him, how many was he praying for? 12 Jewish disciples

Youre taking something directed towards 12 men and applying it to the rest of the believing world. If what you think Christ was saying were true, then NONE of the warnings to believers in Pauls epistles would be necessary. But yet the Spirit led Paul to write them.
---Blogger9680 on 4/25/12


Christan, Acts 16:14, "A woman named Lydia...a worshiper of God, was listening, and the Lord opened her heart..." If you notice, Lydia was already described as a worshiper of God. God did not just open her heart out of the blue. She had already done something first, which is why she is described as a worshiper of God. God, seeing Lydia's heart that she responded to His call, made His words known to her (by opening her heart).

As Prov.1:23 said "Turn to my reproof.. I will make my words known to you." It did not say "I will make you turn at my reproof..." Man must first decide to look for God.. and God seeing the hearts of man would answer those who are truly seeking Him. (Deut.4:29, Prov.8:17, Mat.7:7-8)
---jonweckl on 4/25/12


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Christan, it is not the sinner by themselves who can make themselves be saved. God does the first step. He offers a way by which sinners can be saved. Let's say there was a man who steals anything from anyone. Perhaps at one point he heard or was made aware that stealing is bad. The "manner" by which he was made aware of it may have been God's way of calling him. Or perhaps he experiences some hardships in life which made him think that perhaps his ways is bad. The hardship may have been God's ways of calling on Him again. The point when he rethinks about the correctness of his ways, tells God that this man has somehow responded to His calls. God will then help this sinner gain faith, and would open his heart.
---jonweckl on 4/26/12


Christan, do you not believe that God gave us a mind.. to think and to decide which to choose between two things?

Even from Gen. 3:22 God said man has the ability to know good and evil. And "lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life.." It is man who must put forth his hand. It doesn't say "lest I put forth his hand for him..." God is not a puppet master who holds the strings attached to us that He would be the one to extend our hand for us. He may, at times, provide "situations" that may make us seek Him. It's His different ways of calling us, of reaching out to us. But ultimately we need to do our part.
---jonweckl on 4/26/12


Christan: It's hard to tell from your reply, but did you say that you consider yourself LOST? How does that square with predestinationalism? And yes, your opinions about yourself are indeed a valid part of the discussion because they reveal something about your religious beliefs.


---jerry6593 on 4/26/12


ROMANS 11:8 According as it is written , God hath given them the spirit of slumber. eyes that they should not see , and ears that they should not hear: unto this day.

Okay RICHARD, see the bold?
What day is Paul talking about?
He is talking about until they heard the preaching of Christ. You can't miss a single word when Paul teaches because it all has meaning and points to Christ and the preaching of him.

Again, the parable of the sower, how was it all were able to hear? (only one was saved)
Faith is not a work the way you say it is. Where do you get that? God has placed a measure of faith in all mankind (biblical).
---ginger on 4/26/12


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Ruben, you said,

"Yes, Jesus knows the name of his sheep, tell me how do you know you are one of them? ---Ruben"

Ruben, God not the RCC, tells us,

"Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and Election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble, for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" ( 2 Peter 1:10,11).

I have made my call and election sure. Have you? I can only speak for myself. I have no clue who the elect are. Only God knows who His sheep are. Many were called already, and many are been called by God right now, and many others later.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/12


"Yes, Jesus knows the name of his sheep, tell me how do you know you are one of them? ---Ruben

Ive been waiting on one of them to answer this question for months.

Does it really matter to you if I'm an elect or not?---Christan

Absolutely! If youre gonna defend the doctrine its obvious you dont believe youre one thats predestined to damnation. Unless of course the idea of burning for eternity seems appealing to you and you are somehow grateful.
---CraigA on 4/25/12


"Yes, Jesus knows the name of his sheep, tell me how do you know you are one of them? Ruben

Why is it always so personal with you guys? Your doctrine and understanding gets questioned and challenged by Scriptures and you turn around and make it personal. Does it really matter to you if I'm an elect or not?

What is being discussed is the Truth and lies of the Gospel being propagated. If Paul who's a murderer of Christians can be saved, I am not going to judge your soul. That's because for God, nothing is impossible. But that does not mean I am not allowed to challenge someone speaking lies of the Word. Or am I?
---christan on 4/25/12


"Nothing in that verse says that once the sheep is in his hand they can not wander off (Mt 18:12-14)" Ruben

That's clearly because your love for the 'free-will' is talking, that even a sheep of Christ can loose his/her salvation. Jesus tells you otherwise,

"And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28,29

Jesus will not loose a single sheep that the Father has given to Him at all. "All" of His sheep WILL BE SAVE!
---christan on 4/25/12


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GINGER - What you just said is a lot to go through:

ACT 7:51 - Ye stiff-necked an uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do alway resist the Holy Ghost: as your father did , so did , so do ye.
( Uncircumcised in the Bible has to do with the unsaved - )

ROMANS 11:8 According as it is written , God hath given them the spirit of slumber. eyes that they should not see , and ears that they should not hear: unto this day.

HAZ 27 4/25/12 - Our righteousness is by Faith and Not Works ? ( FAITH IS A WORK)

1 THESSALONIANS 1:3 Remembering with ceasing your WORK OF FAITH , and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in sight of God and our Father.
---RICHARDC on 4/25/12


Eloy, you can scream and shout all you want about how much you this and that about God and Jesus Christ, for even the very people of Israel did it and Christ told them, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." Matthew 15:8

Only to be told on Judgement Day, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22,23 - who do you think Christ was rejecting here? Buddhist? Muslims? False christians!
---christan on 4/25/12


Romans 9:30_32 "What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law."

Of course that is 'corporate' Israel who "sought it not by faith" as there have always been exeptions and the excepted.
God spoke of faith: "I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith." (Deuteronomy 32:20).
---Nana on 4/25/12


To even begin hearing God's word, which Christ tells us is "spirit" (John 6:63), you have to be "born of the Spirit". Only then are the "spiritual" eyes, ears and heart take heed to His Word. "Faith comes by hearing the Word of God". Faith is what enables the sinner to hear God's words as did with Lydia,

"whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Acts 16:14, who opened Lydia's heart? God or herself? God has to work in the sinner first, not the sinner working in himself. Btw, how does a sinner who's "dead in sins and trespasses" raise himself from the "dead" to hear God?
---christan on 4/25/12


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jonweckl: Regarding your question in other blog (and answering this topic too), getting right with God is being found in Christ, righteous/holy/perfect, in him.

You asked regarding not being under the law, "you can kill and not be liable for anything?"

Any Christian who does wrong will not profit by it. Consider King David's adultery, murder and the consequences.
BUT a Christian's righteousness is by faith, NOT by works (Rom 9:31,32).
Christians are NOT under law (1Tim 1:9, Gal 5:18, Rom 8:2). This is not permission to do wrong as you asked. What it means is our righteousness is by faith and not works of the law.

As for our lifestyle, we love one another and love does no ill to his neighbour (Rom 13:10).
---Haz27 on 4/25/12


Christan, you have to keep Paul's message in the right context, Paul was addressing sinning Jews, and comparing sinning jews to being equal to sinning Gentiles, he was not speaking about the righteous and sinless saints.
---Eloy on 4/25/12


Salvation is offered free to all, but not all accept.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,

Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to EVERYONE THAT BELIEVITH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness,19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
---michael_e on 4/25/12


Christan, i don't understand how Rom.3:10-11 which you cited disprove "free-will". Prov.1:23-33 shows an example of how God gives man the choice to follow him and what would happen to those who hardened their hearts.
(v.24)"I have called and ye refused, i have stretched out my hand and no man regarded" So, God calls and stretches out His hand and "ye refused." Seems like free-will to me there. It's up to man to either answer when God calls and to reach out to God's stretched out hand.. or to refuse
(v.33) "But he who listens to me..." It doesn't say "but he who God choose to listen to Him" God calls on man and stretches out His hand but it is up to that man if he will listen to God or not.
---jonweckl on 4/25/12


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Christan, Yes, I did say, Yes! Yes to God, Yes to Christ, Yes to his Spirit, Yes to the Covenant, Yes to confession, Yes to repentance, Yes to sacrifice, Yes to crucifixion, Yes to redemption, Yes to his Salvation, Yes to his commandments, Yes to obedience, Yes to the new birth, Yes to the new Life: Yes, O' Yes, Christ is my life, always and at all times, and there is no other but Christ. Yes Jesus Yes, Jesus alone is my Lord and my God, he is worthy of all worship and all acceptance, and his praise will be forever upon my lips. There is none like to him, none. AND EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD.
---Eloy on 4/25/12


christan * Bad answer Ruben, Revelation 3:21 does not specify who are His sheep but only "those victorious" and it's "victorius" only because they are in Christ, and these are indeed His sheep.

Yes, Jesus knows the name of his sheep, tell me how do you know you are one of them?
v 20 says "victorius" which means they ran the race Paul talk about and they endure to the end as Jesus said we must do!

christan* "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Nothing in that verse says that once the sheep is in his hand they can not wander off (Mt 18:12-14)
---Ruben on 4/25/12


God has to open the person ears//RICHARD

How does God open a persons ears?
Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God.
Through preaching, MINISTRY.

You seem to think I believe that you can believe Christ and not FOLLOW Christ.
One must be a hearer and a doer of God's word.

You also forget that the Holy spirit was poured out ONE TIME! On ALL FLESH!
This prophesied in Joel and fulfilled in Acts.
You cannot deny that God has given his spirit and is accessable to everyone.

Also don't forget the parable of the sower. It says they believed but only one was good ground.
Funny where did their ears to hear come from?
Only one was truly saved but the other 3 heard.
---ginger on 4/25/12


jerry6593, are we discussing about God's sovereign election of His people from eternity or about me as to whether I am an elect? Since when did I make myself the topic of this blog? It's you and some who "chose" to get personal because of what we believe.

When did I say I was not born lost? You assume, your favorite past-time. That's because you hate God's love for the elect.

Sheep mentioned in Scriptures are God's elect, all born lost because of sin. Because they are God's elect, Christ came to gather them back to the Father. Christ never came to gather the goats (reprobates). For you, the lost sheep is everyone in the world, which is definitely not so. In this, your understanding is once again proven erroneous.
---christan on 4/25/12


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"But the sinner answers God: No. So the sinner when desiring God's help, God likewise answers them: No." Eloy

Obviously you exalt the 'free-will' and definitely not God. That's because as compared to those "who say No", you will make claim you have said Yes and hence exalting yourself over them and not to mention God. This is basically the 'free-will' doctrine.

Where does the 'free-will' exist when Paul declared, "As it is written, There is NONE righteous, no, not one: There is NONE that understandeth, there is NONE that seeketh after God." Romans 3:10,11 - the description Paul use is NONE, or do you not understand what's NONE? Without exception. No one.
---christan on 4/25/12


Christan,

WHat do you do with all the passages in the Bible that are clear that God knocks at the sinners heart?

You were a sinner! Before Christ came into your life.

It is just sad really you interpretation of God's word which is the truth about Christ that draws all those who become saved.
you ignore the very word of God and belittle him. I never said God is a salesman.
You did.
---ginger on 4/25/12


MarkV,
If you accept the free gift I gave you would that take away from the fact that I PURCHASED the gift?
No!

God PURCHASED, and GAVE for free, all we do is accept.
He does the shaping and the cleaning up after that. All we do is submit our all to God. Where do you see me giving man any credit for the salvation OFFERED by God?
No where.

That is where you and Christan are blind.
Neither of you understand that God has done all the work! All we have to do is accept and believe, and repent just as Jesus asks us to.
Neither of you understand salvation at all.
Your preconceived beliefs take away ALL of what God tells us in his word. By the way, that word is freely accessable to anyone.
---ginger on 4/25/12


Christan, You ask: "huh?" Answer: Disobedience!
God says to ALL: "Come to me, follow me, repent, be holy, keep my commandments, do my works, give to the poor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the infirmed and the prisoners, heal the sick, be a father to the fatherless, a friend to the friendless, care for the stranger and love your enemies, and give shelter to the homeless."
But the sinner answers God: No.
So the sinner when desiring God's help, God likewise answers them: No.
I know you not. Depart from me you cursed, into the lake of fire.
---Eloy on 4/25/12


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"He works at knocking at the door. All they do is have to open the door." ginger

Your love of the 'free-will' seriously make God out to be a travelling salesman, one who's desperately trying to sell something in the hope that somebody will buy whatever he's selling. Do you really think that this is the God of the Bible even after reading the Scriptures? That's really sad.

Now you know why your god is a beggarly god of your imagination, proving that darkness still exist though you think it's light.
---christan on 4/25/12


"Ginger - 4/24/12 - He Gives salvation to who ever Ask ?

MATTHEW 7:21 ... shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven: But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
RICHARDC on 4/24/12

Those there are not asking, just pretending if they only say but do not the will of God.

Matthew 7:7_8 "Ask, and it shall be given you, seek, and ye shall find, knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

John 3:21 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
The doers are with the Father and the Son (John 14:23)
---Nana on 4/25/12


christan: You must have missed my earlier questions. I'll try again.

Are YOU among the "chosen"? How do you know?

You predestinationalists seem to all agree that YOU are among the chosen, and others are not. Go figure.

If you were not born lost, and Christ came to save the lost (Mat 18:11), then where does that leave you? LOST!


---jerry6593 on 4/25/12


Ginger, you say you give God the glory but what you believe is opposite,

"God knocks at your heart, then when you let him in he changes your heart."

1. there is no passage that tells us that Christ knocks at the door of our hearts. People invented that when they read (Rev. 3:20) in order to take the glory away from God in the salvation of man.
If God were to knock at the door of your heart, and you let Him in, are you not taking the glory by letting Him in? If you don't He cannot come in. You have the power to let Him in or not. No one has power over God.
The passage in (Rev. 3:20) is God knocking at the door of the Laodicean church. If He knock on the RCC church today, He would also be disappointed.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/12


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ginger, your order of salvation is nothing but confusion and disorder. That's salvation by the 'free-will' for you.

Revelation 3:20 cannot come to pass if John 10:3 does not take effect. And John 10:3 only comes into efficacy is because John 6:44,65 must happen first. For John 6:44,65 to happen, you must be what Paul teaches in Romans 9:11,13, which is why the sinner that's only saved by grace will enter into heaven.

That's also because John 3:3,5 will only be applied to John 6:37-39. See how harmonized the Scriptures falls into place? And guess who's working in all this? God. 100% all of God's work. Man 0%.

I suggest you read RICHARDC's blog that's just been posted.
---christan on 4/24/12


"Who are his sheep:" Ruben

Bad answer Ruben, Revelation 3:21 does not specify who are His sheep but only "those victorious" and it's "victorius" only because they are in Christ, and these are indeed His sheep. Jesus explicitly declared, "He calleth His own sheep by name" meaning He loves them, or how else would He know them by name.

It's already been established from eternity who His sheep are or Christ wouldn't have said, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Your 'free-will' jesus still doesn't know who his sheep are because he's still waiting for them to choose him.
---christan on 4/24/12


Ginger - really didn't mean to upset you - I know all the verses your using -

I wish the gospel you have was right - Now If you take some of those verses and hang you hat on them - All you have to do is Believe or people that say I accept Christ - That saying The person has something to do with with getting themselves saved. If you believe - God has to open the person ears.

any one can be saved ?

JOEL 2,32 And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount zion and in jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and the remnant whom the Lord shall call

LAMENTATIONS 3:26 ( It's the hope of salvation not the guarantee )
---RICHARDC on 4/24/12


Richard, where did I say God did not get all the glory?
That's right I have never said any such thing. Every soul that is saved is God's work.
He works at knocking at the door. All they do is have to open the door.
Is it God's fault that some choose not to listen to his word? No it is not!
It is man's fault. Every man is given a measure of faith (THIS IS SCRIPTURE)because they are created by God (THIS IS SCRIPTURE ALSO). What they do with that faith is up to them. They can put it God and let him work or they can put it else where and be destroyed.
So, please do not subscribe words to me that I never said, thanks!
---ginger on 4/24/12


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\\ONLY HIS SHEEP WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, the goats cannot. But some goats will pretend they can, but Christ declared "He calleth His own sheep by name".
---christan on 4/24/12 \\

And those who deny that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ are NOT hearing His voice.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/12


christan* Christ taught, " My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." John 10:3,27

What Christ 'did not say'" My sheep heard my voice, and I knew them, and they followed me. Which is what you are looking for!

christan* "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20

In order to 'hear his voice', you have to "be earnest and repent" V 19

---Ruben on 4/24/12


ONLY HIS SHEEP WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, the goats cannot. But some goats will pretend they can, but Christ declared "He calleth His own sheep by name".
---christan on 4/24/12

Christan,

Who are his sheep:

"To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne" ( Rev 3:21) Those who endure to the end will be saved-declared Jesus-AMEN!
---Ruben on 4/24/12


Christ taught, "To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear His voice: and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." John 10:3,27

Christan, this verse is directed to those already saved.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20

This one is to those who have yet to be saved.

Again, you misinterpret scripture.

Salvation comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
What is the word of God? The preaching of Christ!
any can be saved!
---ginger on 4/24/12


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Ginger - 4/24/12 - He Gives salvation to who ever Ask ?

MATTHEW 7:21 Not every one saith unto me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven: But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Ginger - Does not mean he chooses who he will ask ?

2 THESSAIONIANS 2:3 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because GOD hath FROM THE BEGINNING CHOSEN YOU to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and Belief of the truth.

Believing - Faith is a Work, and no Works can save anybody - After someone becomes saved, they do good works like Believing. You have to take in account every thing the Bible is saying - All the Glory goes to God.
---RICHARDC on 4/24/12


"All hear God, but not all listen to God: And therefore they whom reject God, are likewise rejected by God." Eloy

Huh? How can one who's able to "hear God" still not go to Him? God's rejection of those who do not hear the "calling" was way long before He created them. These were created to reject God. That's the doctrine of sovereign election and rejection or vessel of honor and dishonor - which multitudes of self-professing christians seriously hate to the core. Aka the sheep and goats. Only His sheep will hear and follow Him.

"To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear His voice: and He calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out." John 10:3
---christan on 4/24/12


All hear God, but not all listen to God: And therefore they whom reject God, are likewise rejected by God.
---Eloy on 4/24/12


A classic example of the Arminian beggarly god - "God knocks at your heart, then when you let him in he changes your heart." ginger

Christ taught, "To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear His voice: and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." John 10:3,27

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20

ONLY HIS SHEEP WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, the goats cannot. But some goats will pretend they can, but Christ declared "He calleth His own sheep by name".
---christan on 4/24/12


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Ginger, you said
He gives salvation to who ever asks.
Amen, how absolutely true
---michael_e on 4/24/12


Christan, "I have set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life. CHOOSE you this day whom you will serve. Whosoever will confess me before persons, that one will the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: but the one that rejects me before persons will I also reject before the angels of God. For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what we have done, whether good or bad. Wherefore as the Holy Ghost says, Today if you all will hear his voice, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS, as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness." Dt.30:19+ Josh.24:15+ Lk.12:8,9+ II Cor.5:10+ Hb.3:7,8.
---Eloy on 4/24/12


God knocks at your heart, then when you let him in he changes your heart.
He does not do this without you asking for him to.
King David gives a great example of what we are to do. He says "Create in me a CLEAN HEART!" He asked God to do this.
If we believe then we should ask and if we ask he will give it to us.

You keep putting God in your box trying to make him exclusive when he is not. God is no respecter of persons. He gives salvation to who ever asks.
Just because God knows who will ask does not mean he chooses who will ask.
You keep missing it, brother. Why don't you believe ALL of his word?
His word says if YOU believe, he will save your family, do think God is lying about that?
---ginger on 4/24/12


Steven, you need spiritual truth. You say,
"Initially, it takes man's decision to hear the Word,"
Wrong, Faith comes from hearing, and "Hearing by the word of God" With no spiritual hearing, you cannot abide in His word.
You say,
"Ask, and it shall be given you, seek, and ye shall find, knock,"
Unbelievers do not seek God (Rom 3:11) "There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God" Only believers seek after God.
Then you suggest Christ knocks at the door of your heart, asking permission to come in, and gave (Rev. 3:20) He was knocking at the Church that bore His name the Laodicean Church. God doesn't knock at your heart, He changes your heart.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/12


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Christan: "Christianity is not of man's choice, meaning they do not get to choose as to whether they can be a Christian or not."

Oh really? Are YOU among the "chosen"? How do you know?


---jerry6593 on 4/24/12


"get right with God"

that's a funny saying.
---aka on 4/23/12


Initially, it takes man's decision to hear the Word, then decide to abide by the choice of repenting.

Ask, and it shall be given you, seek, and ye shall find, knock, and it shall be opened unto you, for every one that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

A person must first answer the door which is the initial choice. Revelation 3:20

The seed is planted, the decision to repent is next, God helps the person mature.


---Steveng on 4/23/12


Eloy, according to the Holy Scriptures, I have bad news for you. Christianity is not of man's choice, meaning they do not get to choose as to whether they can be a Christian or not. It's plain and simple that Scriptures declares that it's God who chooses, and if He's the one choosing, where's your choice in that?

No where in the Scripture will you find it's man who chooses to go to God. It's always God who first have to draw the sinners to Him (confirmed by His Son in John 6:44) and the reason He draws these sinners is because He loved them before the foundations of the world and have given them to His Son. It's Christ's atonement at Calvary, through the shedding of His blood and life that the sinners elected are cleansed.
---christan on 4/23/12


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willie_c, maybe you would like to share with us how a fallen and sinful man makes himself "blameless and harmless, children of God without fault". By virtue of being a sinner obviously tells us that we are "blemished", "full of fault" before God and cannot be regarded as "blameless"

So how does a "broken and sinful man" able to "repair" himself outside of the grace of God? Don't you think you need to be "cleansed" first of your filth before the Holy God? And who does this work of "cleansing"? You? I'm very sure that's not how it works in the sanctification of a sinner.
---christan on 4/23/12


Christan, there are people in other religions that repent from their sins and their idolatry, and they choose to accept Christ and become Christianed. So it is possible for God to call people out of their dead religions and become born-again Christians in order to serve him. You asked if I think everyone is born of the Spirit? And No, for there are many which need to be born from and into Christs Holy Spirit, and we know them by their fruits that they bear that there is no Jesus in their life. That is one reason why we evangelize, we share our faith so that others can also have Christ Jesus in their lives.
---Eloy on 4/23/12


"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:14-16)

So, God considers it realistic to tell us to "become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault" . . . right "in the midst of" this world's "crooked and perverse generation" > "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17) This makes us ready. We trust God to do this with us.
---willie_c: on 4/23/12


"Through repentance!" Eloy

Ya, right. Is that all there is to it? The Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist and even denominational christians will tell you they repent. Does that mean they're going to heaven? Here's your answer from Christ:

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

You really think everyone is "born of the Spirit"?
---christan on 4/22/12


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I reckon Jesus comes for us already. For some reason I genuinely can't remember he zapped me in the balls in a dream some years ago. Its good advise to get right with him.
---jamea4353 on 4/22/12


CraigA, A-men brother. Carnal sinners want God's blessing, but they do not want to crucify themselves nor take up their own cross and follow after Jesus as he has commanded. But Jesus is clear, we cannot serve two Masters: Christ, and also sin. We can only serve one Master, and whomever we give ourselves to serve that is whom will be our Lord.
---Eloy on 4/22/12


Eloy, as the teachers of Scripture told others to repent I've told you to repent for demeaning Christ sacrifice on the cross. you said,
"He didn't even clean a dirty toilet like you did, and that you sacrificed more the Jesus and Job put together."
Which is blasphemous. And did you repent? No. Why? Because God has not granted you repentance, That's why I pray for you,
"..God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 2:25,26).
No one is putting a gun to your head, you are free to make a choice, you heard the Truth, yet you don't repent, just as those who are lost.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/12


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