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Are Christians At War

Ephesians 6:10-20 tells us we are at war.

As an individual, do you believe we are indded at war? Do you take this war seriously, or are you passive concerning this war?

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As to the topic:

Eph 6:12-13
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand:

2 Kings 6:17
And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
---char on 5/19/12


Whole armor: Seven panoplia

3 for enduement: girdle [truth], breastplate [righteousness], shoes [preparation of the gospel of peace]
2 for weapons of defence:shield [faith]and helmet [salvation]
2 edge sword/spear[Spirit-The Word of God]

The seventh letter in the Hebrew aleph bet is zayin which represents returning light. The gematria of 7 and represent spiritual completeness. The word Zayin gematria is 67 meaning understanding and the word defined is a weapon or sword but originate from the root word [zan]-means sustenance or nourishment-bread/food.

Matt 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Glory to God
---char on 5/19/12


Tom, for the record,
Thanks for conversing with me in a gentle spirit. Please walk with me through what is In the Word of God...I will, as stated before Humble first to God as Father/Lord/Master and second to you as my brother in Christ. I will wait for God to confirm His Word.Phil 2

I am not sure if your last reply was to me or not since it was addressed to you and appeared to be by you.---little confusing.
Shalom
---char on 5/18/12


//Tom, a big problem arises when someone says[...]-Tom on 5/18/12//
---Is this reply to me?not sure.

My statement-//God has not created any for the [sole purpose of perishing them]--char on 5/17/12//
[God]//created some to be lost//--- [for-the sole purpose of perishing them].
Is this what you mean? I am seeking were this is spoken and written.
Upon judgment, what will one be judged for and by? If some where created for [the sole purpose of perishing them], are they judged on whether or not they where obedient to what they were created for?----preordained/chosen not to be saved?
[ If ]the Word of GodSon/Ysha - is followed]. Forgiveness of sin is available- Repentance brings Remission.Jn3:16,Lk24:45-53

Shalom
---char on 5/18/12


All Begin with the Creator/Elohyim and all will return to Creator/Elohyim-For judgment.
As written/spoken- He is(Exist-I Am) Timeless and He is(Exist-I Am)- beginning and ending of all things. Is 41:4,44:6,48:12,Rev1:8-11,21:6,22:13Heb 11:3-6.
Defined down to each letter [Aleph to Tav]-does not Change-Matt5:18, Lk 16:17
Y' begins and end each letter-10 ordinal perfection-Mal3:6,Heb13,8

As it is written, [the spirit shall return] unto God who gave it.
Judgment determines whether or not, one [ends/death] or [remitted timeless existence-with Him]. Eternal life or death
Ecc3:17[...]God shall judge the righteous and the wicked[...].

If the wicked were [created]for the [sole purpose to perish]-what are they judged for?
---char on 5/18/12




Tom, a big problem arises when someone says, God did not create some to be lost. If He didn't why did He chose some and not all?
Ecc. 12:7 is speaking of old age, God giveth and God take it away. If that passage is taken literally, it would mean everyone goes to heaven and we know not everyone goes to heaven. We know God chose some and not another in every case He makes through the Bible. Why even chose if all others are included?
He chose Adam, He chose Noah, He chose Israel, He chose Abraham, Isaac, and so on. then in the New T. we are told, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. Why even say "chose us" (the brethren) if He chose everyone? There would be no need to say chose, if everyone was included.
---Tom on 5/18/12


I wanted to thank you Char for the scriptures you put down and will respond to you later after I read them.
---Tom on 5/18/12


Tom, I am so sorry I made a mistake by putting your name on my header. I was in such a hurry to answer you, I put your name. So I wrote it again with my name. It was my mistake.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


//Tom on 5/15/12//--//elect for salvation//---can you elaborate?Thanks.

God has not created any for the sole purpose of perishing them.
Ecc 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and[the spirit shall return] unto God who gave it.
Over-all: Jn 3:16
God as Creator- sent His Word in Flesh as Son[Ysha, Jesus Christ] to the World.
Ysha is the one and only path walked/followed -that leads mankind away from and overcoming--deception.
The path leading back to God as His children for His Kingdom (timeless existence) with Him as Father.Is55:11
This is:
*Salvation from death- Rom10:9-10 and Remission [back to Him-within a timeless existence]upon repentances,Ecc 12:7,Lk 24:45-53,Jn8:12
I Tim 4:10,Rev 3:20-21
---char on 5/17/12


Oh dear, here we go again.
---Jed on 5/17/12




Tom, the "elect" are the "chosen" the chosen are those who have been predestined from the foundation of the world and those predestined, are those who have been called" and who will be called in the future, and those who are called, will be made spiritually alive together with Christ, by hearing the word of God, those who will hear, will receive faith, those who will receive faith, will confess Christ as Savior with their mouths. And those who will be save will be forgiven and receive eternal life.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/12


Char, sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you meant, there was the elect for salvation, and those who believed by faith who are not of the elect, two different groups.
---Tom on 5/15/12


---char on 5/14/12

"Praise God's mercy and His grace,
:)" Amen, amen!


Many blessings to you
---Chris9396 on 5/14/12


josef and Chris9396 Thank-you-Blessing to you.


Praise God's mercy and His grace,
:)


Shalom
---char on 5/14/12


"Tom, before I go on,I feel lead to take heed and humble before God [first] as Lord and Master and then to you as my brother in Christ.Rom 14,15, Phil 2.My fear will always be bearing false witness of God and His Word. Praising God for His mercy and grace and also thanking you for your patience-greetings. 'm having differculty finding where I stated this. If I state anything in [my own words] that causes confusion---I apologize -please disregard." char on 5/11/12 Spoken in the humility and love of a true child of God. Char you are an inspiring example to His Church. Be blessed
---josef on 5/13/12


Josef on 5/1/12."All of the above. Satan is indeed mans adversary. However, ones enemies...constitutes the stronghold. The walls...that bind them to man are PRIDE, HIGH-MINDEDNESS, AND ARROGANCE. The guards that keep them are the lusts and passions of the unrenewed mind still focused on the externals. "THE LUST OF THE FLESH, THE LUST OF THE EYES, AND THE PRIDE OF LIFE".
Cut to fit. Enlightening. Thanks. Converse of that which bind strongholds: humility, yielded to the Lord, BELIEVING His Truth/Him(so mind renewed, transformed by the Word) walk by Spirit, lusts not fulfilled. Next post: being SUBMITTED, and 2 Cor 10:5. Amen
"without Christ we can do no[good]thing." AMEN
---Chria9396 on 5/13/12


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Tom, before I go on,I feel lead to take heed and humble before God [first] as Lord and Master and then to you as my brother in Christ.Rom 14,15, Phil 2.My fear will always be bearing false witness of God and His Word. Praising God for His mercy and grace and also thanking you for your patience-greetings.

// if God,[ as you say], brings hearing to the person,//----

//[as you say]. ---Tom on 5/10/12//-----?

I'm having differculty finding where I stated this. If I state anything in [my own words] that causes confusion---I apologize -please disregard.
Please refer to previous post. //--char on 5/9/12,//

[...]Hearing comes by [the Word of God]
Christ-Anointed living Word/Y'sha/Son/Immanuel-God with us.
Cont'
---char on 5/11/12


"Our declaration of The Word of God is confessed in faith -- this world is subject to time, however, the victory has been won within God's Timeless existence. Rom 10.
Confessing the Lord Jesus is declaring The Word of God. Believing in our hearts[true knowing] God bears witness to His Word, Agreement/Confirming.

Within this time/frame we overcome in Spirit/truth. Within God/Word is the Victory--Confessed/believed."
char on 5/7/12
Amen. I'll repeat: "we overcome in Spirit/truth. Within God/Word is the Victory--Confessed/believed"
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. All praise and glory due Him alone


---Chris9396 on 5/10/12


Char, I believe I understood what you said, but have a problem with your reasons. you suggest there is some chosen/elect and then there is others who hear, and believe who were not chosen. if God, as you say, brings hearing to the person, doesn't that still mean, that God is the One bringing them hearing, and faith comes from hearing? He is still choosing them the same way He chooses the elect. because if He doesn't bring hearing, how can they ever have faith? just trying to understand your comments.
---Tom on 5/10/12


Thanks
//In my mind I was thinking you were saying, there were those chosen by God,the elect,and those who came on their own free will who were not chosen -Tom on 5/9/12--//
Chosen/elect:Speak before spurious messiah.No free-will--Only God's--Word.
Mk 13:10-12And the gospel must first be published among all nations.But when they shall lead you,and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak,neither do ye premeditate:but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour,that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak,but the Holy Ghost.

My understandng:Not all believers where Chosen to stand before the false messiah. The Holy Spirit will speak through the elect. Opportunity:Hearing truth-Repentance/Remission for mankind.
---char on 5/9/12


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The Word of God: Jesus Christ
Ysha [Hebrew] for God is Savior
Immanuel-God with us
Christ-annointed
Hearing comes by the Word of God----no other.
Because the Word of God is Anointed [Christ]----Hearing comes.
Faith comes by---Hearing---the Word of God.
Rom10:17So then faith cometh by hearing, and Hearing by the Word of God.

When will Only the Word of God be heard?
When the Elect/Chosen- stand before the spurious messiah and the Holy Spirit speaks through them.Mk 13:10-12
Only the Word of God will be spoken
Opportunity for those in slumber and the unbeliever.
Repentance/remission
Rom 10:Confession made unto Salvation

War:spurious messiah Knows:Death is defeated.
---char on 5/9/12


Thanks//Tom on 5/9/12-if they are not chosen-elect that God mentions, who are they then?// Mankind-whosoever-believe/call on the Name of Ysha [Jesus Christ].Hearing comes by the Word of God[Ysha-God is Savior]because[His Word]is [Anointed /Christ].---Faith comes by Hearing the Word of God ---No other Mk13:10-11. The Word of God is not subject just to those chosen [Israel] or those [elected] to stand before the spurious messiah Mk13 or the [remnant according to the election of grace] Rom 11 Why? Mat22(all) vs10,14.Some believers will be deceived, however, the Elect will not. Mat 22:14For many are called, but few are chosen. Ez 18:4[all][...]the soul that sinneth, it shall die.[Not because He created it for the sole purpose of perishing it]-Cont'
---char on 5/9/12


Aka, you make a good point.
---Catholicus on 5/9/12


It often appears that Christians are at war more among themselves than with Satan.
---Catholicus on 5/8/12

it may appear that way, but our only adversary is the Adversary. our flesh keeps tripping over flesh still in the dark.
---aka on 5/9/12


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Aka, I really have no clue what your complaining about. And when did I say,
"markv, the scripture that i cited was crystal clear. you were complaining about the results of God's assignment and so was Jonah"
I don't complain about the results of God's assignments. In fact I believe it is all controlled by Him.
And yes, the wicked evil people are here also by God's appointment. I have even spoken about that. So I have no clue what your complains are. But I have notice that about a year ago I ask you the same question, what was your grip. Listen, again, if you don't like me, you do not have to. It doesn't change the way I feel about you. I do not have a problem, you do.
---Mark_V. on 5/9/12


Char, my question was concering what you said that not all believers are chosen-elect, if they are not chosen-elect that God mentions, who are they then? If they were not chosen, how did they become believers? Could be I am reading it wrong. I thought all believers were chosen, and the elect.
I was not speaking of Israel, as a nation, they still reject the Messiah. You mentioned believers. In my mind I was thinking you were saying, there were those chosen by God, the elect, and those who came on their own free will who were not chosen. You did not mean that did you?
---Tom on 5/9/12


It often appears that Christians are at war more among themselves than with Satan.
---Catholicus on 5/8/12


Thanks Tom-*Chosen:stand before spurious messiah,Mk 13:10-11And the gospel must first be published among all nations.But when they shall lead you,and deliver you up,take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak,neither do ye premeditate:but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour,that speak ye:for it is not ye that speak,but the Holy Spirit.
*Chosen:Children of Israel-Holy nation, people/children of God, sheep/brothers community/assembly:Set apart Nation chosen by God-from all other Nations.Ex 16:1,Num 26:2,Lev 4:14,Ps 89:5,Chosen:Abraham descendents to be a holy people.Is 41:8,Chosen/Holypeople/nation,Ex4:22,6:7,19:5-6,Lev26:12,Deut 14:1,Sheep Ez 34:11,Brothers Deut15:7

*Other Believers-Is 49:6,56:3-6
Mankind:Whosoever
---char on 5/8/12


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markv, the scripture that i cited was crystal clear. you were complaining about the results of God's assignment and so was Jonah. it seems everytime you ask for scripture, you reject the scripture that is presented.

you know, markv, i have no choice about this and neither do you. So, why do you cry so when you have salvation?

then, do you deny that the Spirit works through men for other men? do you deny that God has chosen evil men to complete a task?

why do you think paul said that he was a debtor to the Greeks and the Barbarians?

it is not our knowledge of scripture and things of God. it is our attitude. you are easily provoked and brought down to a level that shows that you have little understanding.
---aka on 5/8/12


Aka, if you want to suggest to others that your aim was only to toughen me up, it might work with others, but please, give me a break.
You can toughen me up on the word if you are speaking truth about the word. Then I can learn something from you. All you did was talk. With no Scripture to show me why I was wrong. I am willing to learn. A man cannot change someone else's character, only God can.
---Mark_V. on 5/8/12


markv, you want to know what my aim is? to toughen you up in the Word. this is our responsibility towards one another in the Lord.

Pro_27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

josef's 'secret' is that he says what he has to with no personal agenda and he is not seeking approval of others.

again, what did i complain about? what did josef have to correct me on? where do i express a direct feeling for you?

i am not like the others who add drama to the rebuttals like you and with you. i answer the question. sometimes, it takes a few days to eliminate answers of the flesh and you would be wise to do the same. God did not dispatch the Holy Spirit for us to ignore.
---aka on 5/7/12


char, I have a question for you. you mentioned that not all believers are chosen-elect. can you explain that for me if you can be so kind? thanks
---Tom on 5/7/12


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Aka, josef, Chira, I agree with all of you on this.
Our declaration of The Word of God is confessed in faith -- this world is subject to time, however, the victory has been won within God's Timeless existence. Rom 10.
Confessing the Lord Jesus is declaring The Word of God. Believing in our hearts[true knowing] God bears witness to His Word, Agreement/Confirming.

Within this time/frame we overcome in Spirit/truth. Within God/Word is the Victory--Confessed/believed.
One God-different dimension(s) Jn 1

Not all believers are "Chosen-elect"

Battle between men.
When I see one twisting and bearing false witness of another I understand this as a lack of knowledge---I look at the fruit.
---char on 5/7/12


---aka on 4/30/12 Very interesting contrast.
Thank you aka and Josef, I truly appreciate your responses, and thank God for His Truth. Ive been out of state with siblings, their spouses and my father, and prior to that caring for my grandsons. I hope to catch up and respond more soon. there's much here...God bless you
---Chris9396 on 5/7/12


the first time i replied was just saying that the war was still being fought even though there is a clear victor? and i quoted a few scriptures to support that.

Was I wrong?
---aka on 5/7/12


Aka, again, you complain and give what is in your heart to the world concerning what you think and feel about me. I hope that made your day a whole lot more godly. Whatever you think of me, I will still leave you peace, because I have no clue what is boiling inside of you are what you are talking about, or what moves your heart.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/12


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(please let me finish before you respond.) ---aka on 5/6/12

---Mark_V. on 5/6/12

That says it all. thanks, again, markv for saving me time.

please show me one complaint that i made. (can you do one simple thing without showing how "rediculous" or impatient you are?)

RICHARDC, that is what i said...was judas not chosen? the assumption that a chosen vessel of God is always the same a Godly vessel is incorrect.

Markv, nobody has to ridicule you when you do a good job yourself.
---aka on 5/6/12


Aka, after you redicule me, I answered you kindly. Now you complain again. Look, you don't have to love me, like me, or believe what I believe. Your not forced to do a thing. If it's a godly matter, put the passage down and tell me why, I will kindly answer.
I Have no clue why you mentioned judas. But I will again answer kindly.
Judas was a chosen vessel of wrath chosen to betray Christ. Yes, from the foundation of the world as the prophets predicted.
"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hand, have crucified" (Acts 2:23). Read (Acts 4:27,28)
"to do whatever Your Hand and Your purpose determined before to be done"
---Mark_V. on 5/6/12


I wish I could answer as calmly and as good as you do, but God has given me another direction." Thank you for the compliment MarkV. All praises are due the Father. Personally I understand both your zeal and your passion for the Father and His Word. However, as I have mentioned to you before, we can only share the truth as we know and understand it, to be received or dismissed. The bottom line is whatever one believes to be true, is for that one truth. Arguing serves no constructive purpose. "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still":o) You are fiery, that is nothing to apologize for, just remember to be kind. We are not all on your level.
---Josef on 5/6/12


AKA 5/6/12 - Judas was also chosen vessel of GOD -

JOHN 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not chosen you twelve ,and one of you is a devil.

JOHN 13:18 - I speak not of all , I know I have Chosen , but that the scripture may be fulfilled, he that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
---RICHARDC on 5/6/12


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markv 1/2, you have a serious contextual comprehension issue. you really read and understood my post of 5/2 and responded with your responses of 5/3?

judas was also a chosen vessel of God....(predestination...remember?) just as Jonah was. but, he cried and complained when the ninevites accepted God's warning. (of course, i remember how you twisted that story, too.)

God is no respecter of persons and i do not put a halo on anybody in the bible just because they were named in the bible. remember Judas had a name too.

(please let me finish before you respond.)
---aka on 5/6/12


Josef, again thanks for your answers to AKA. They were very well put. I wish I could answer as calmly and as good as you do, but God has given me another direction. I use to love the way Shawn M.T. answered. His words were beautiful to hear. He left us and what a big loss. He knew the Truth very well and explained it very well as you do. Peace I leave you brother.
---Mark_V. on 5/6/12


"context Josef." :o)

"Rev_11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. "

Yes Aka, context:o)
---Josef on 5/3/12

in the context that we are we still battling forces despite the fact the war is won through Jesus Christ. paul says in Romans that the spirit in us is in constant battle with our flesh.

the won war goes on. flesh will die and the spirit is omega as the spirit is the alpha. the adversary will fight until contained.
---aka on 5/4/12


Aka please know that I am not attempting to denounce your beliefs. I am simply sharing the reasons for my own. The overcomers "are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness, for by strength shall no man prevail. No weapon formed against [them] shall prosper,...This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is of Me. Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen." Refs. 1Pe 1:5>1Sa 2:9>Isa 54:17> Jud 1,24,25
---Josef on 5/4/12


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Hiding, I don't hide to deceive anyone. You asked,
"why pray for them if their fades have been decided?"

I pray for them because "I depend on God for all things." and because I don't know what the will of God is for anyone. Because as a believer, I now have access into His kingdom. Because only God knows who His elect are, whom He will make alive together with Christ. They all need to hear the Truth. I pray for God to give them ears to hear, eyes to see, and a heart to perceive. "God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will"
A false gospel saves no one.
---Mark_V. on 5/4/12


"Josef, thank you brother for you input. It was done very well."
Thank you MarkV. It was my pleasure .
---Josef on 5/4/12


"some may not "win"---aka on 5/1/12 True. Some, due to a lack of understanding, still fight a battle that is not theirs. To quote the Father, as spoken through Jahaziel, as He addressed His chosen who were about to go into battle, "Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude, for the battle [is] not yours, but God's." 2Ch 20:15 And "the LORD does not 'save' (rescue, protect, or deliver) with sword and spear, for the battle is the LORD's, and He will give you into our hands." Our struggle is a spiritual one. Eph 6:12. And to quote you, "we have overcome... spiritual victory." The only One capable of defeating those in Eph. 6, already has.
---Josef on 5/3/12


praying for everyone on line.---MarkV

Why do you pray for them if their fates have already been decided? Why do you pray for anything? Its not like the God of scripture will change his mind simply because a man asks him for something.

But then again, He did change his mind quite a few times in the old testament...
---LookImHiding on 5/3/12


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"context Josef." :o)

"Rev_11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. "

Yes Aka, context:o)
---Josef on 5/3/12


Aka, I don't come on line every day to redicule anyone as some do. I sleep pretty good and wake up joyful and happy, praying for everyone on line. Studying to show myself approved. Asking God to help me bring the Truth to all who will hear. At least you said I was a chosen vessel of God. You do good that you do. Jonah, was chosen by God, even gave us his name. I could never be as Jonah, my name is not spoken of in Scripture. I couldn't tie his shoes either. God had a purpose for him as he does for me.
"But we preach Christ crucified, "unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness". but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God"
---Mark_V. on 5/3/12


you almost always remind me of jonah... chosen by God as a vessel but crying about the people to whom God wants you to witness--AKA

WOW!! AMEN!! Well said!!
---CraigA on 5/2/12


markv, again... quit your crying and appealing to others for sympathy. if your directives and direction are from God, man-up, say what you have to say, and go on. you almost always remind me of jonah... chosen by God as a vessel but crying about the people to whom God wants you to witness.

the reason why i like you is that you and those like you are a constant reminder of God's juxtaposition of love and clanging brass.

now say something about my motives...
---aka on 5/2/12


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Rob: It is a constant or living war. When we go passive concerning it, we start walking towards Hell, when we take up the weapons specified in the passage & use them as directed, we walk towards Paradise and away from Hell.
---Adetunji on 5/2/12


Rev 2:7 "Let the person who has ears listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. I will give the privilege of eating from the tree of life, which stands in the paradise of God, to everyone who wins the victory.

these are believers some who have not "won the victory".

Rev 2:26 I have received authority from my Father. I will give authority over the nations to everyone who wins the victory and continues to do what I want until the end.

some may not "win".

Rev 3:5 Everyone who wins the victory this way will wear white clothes.

shouldn't it be "everyone who has already won"?
---aka on 5/1/12


Josef, thank you brother for you impute. It was done very well. The forces of evil are all around us, everyday, they speak against the Word of God. No question about that. It is even worse when someone mentions God's will and purpose, people become unclued with terrible personal comments. All it does is shows what kind of fruits they produce. Enmity against God, so they try to throw the messengers of the Word under the bus, with complete disregard to the Truth. I have talked to Christians for 25 years, and never knew there was wicked Christians. In person they are great, on the keyboard they are terrible.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/12


Not this one AKA - Josef

context Josef.

1Jn 2:12 I'm writing to you, dear children, because your sins are forgiven through Christ.

thus, we have overcome... spiritual victory.

Rev_11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

yes, jesus won the ultimate victory. but, until the adversary is imprisoned, the battles persist. how many wars are still being fought after the victor was declared?"
---aka on 5/1/12


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"Where does warfare take place? In heavenlies, in our own minds, against the lies of enemies spoken by others, whether Christian with a false belief in an area or unbelievers.?" Amen Chris9396 . All of the above. Satan is indeed mans adversary. However, ones enemies are contain within ones own mind, the spirit of that antichrist, and that which is influenced of that spirit, constitutes the stronghold. The walls of that stronghold that bind them to man are pride, high-mindedness, and arrogance. The guards that keep them are the lusts and passions of the unrenewed mind still focused on the externals. "The lust of the Flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life".
---Josef on 5/1/12


"what often comes to mind is 'VAIN imaginations', but I see that neither version says that. Ill have to see if another does" Christina, what you are thinking about, and it is very applicable here, Is 2 Cor 10:5 "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." And if we are not submitted, and humble, recognizing and acknowledging, that without Christ we can do no[good]thing. This verse may be applied. "Because that, although they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Rom 1:21
---Josef on 5/1/12


"yes, jesus won the ultimate victory. but, until the adversary is imprisoned, the battles persist. how many wars are still being fought after the victor was declared?" Not this one AKA:o) "I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the wicked one (reiterated). We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God, [The Son] protects him, and the evil one does not touch him." 1Jo 2:13,14>1Jo 5:18 The last line of this post is more aptly put 'in my view' as "The evil one does not concern the overcomer."
---Josef on 5/1/12


Rob, the majority of true Christians have died at the hands of those who are Christians by name only. At the beginning of Church history the Christians were persecuted, then when the church grew and added their traditions, many more Christians died at the hands of those who claim to be Christians, but never born of God. Many were beheaded, others burn at the stake, like John Huss of Bohemia and Jerome. The counsel of Constance condemned the writing of John Wycliffe, even took his dead bones out of the grave and publicly burned. They died for the Truth. And those are just a few of hundreds. Of course, evil forces and principalities were behind it.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/12


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i usually quote ESV if there is no appreciable difference. it is simpler for others. there are some words especially 'imaginations' that are much more revealing. i live 'imaginations' so it means alot more to me.

consider this: kjv 1Ki 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

Holman Christian Standard Bible 1 Kings 10:14 The weight of gold that came to Solomon annually was 25 tons,

Although the latter is accurate, just think of the witness lost in this deception.
---aka on 4/30/12


Aka, praise God, He is the armor, the Victor and victory. He HAS triumphed.
Had posted NIV, but prefer KJV. In vs 5, what often comes to mind is 'VAIN imaginations', but I see that neither version says that. Ill have to see if another does
---Chris9396 on 4/30/12


Josef, amen. Some questions/comments. Where does warfare take place? In heavenlies, in our own minds, against the lies of enemies spoken by others, whether Christian with a false belief in an area or unbelievers.? Christ, the Christian and the battle are in or take place in heavenly places. Eph 1:3, Eph 1:20,, Eph 2:6, Eph 6:12., it seems that the battle includes taking thoughts captive(I take this to include my own thoughts)and we are transformed by the renewing of the mind, with the WORD. Rom 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: (carnal) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
"And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith." More on overcome...
---Chris9396 on 4/30/12


Chris9396,

amen. satan would like nothing better to think we are at war with another person's flesh and for many to think they actually know Him like they think that they do.

2Co 10:3-6 For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh....

yes, jesus won the ultimate victory. but, until the adversary is imprisoned, the battles persist. how many wars are still being fought after the victor was declared? how long was the US in the middle east battling after the war was officially won?
---aka on 4/29/12


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Rob, 'I' believe, Jesus has fought the battle, won, and has given His Chosen the victory. "And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. "Therefore "The weapons of our warfare" [the armor and tool that protects and defends us in and though our daily struggles] "are not carnal" [sensually based or "governed by mere human nature," force, or will,] "but [are] mighty 'in God' for pulling down strongholds," For "by the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us."1Jo 5:4>2Cr 10:4>2Cr 6:7>Rom 8:37
---Josef on 4/28/12


2 Cor 10 "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh,for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but DIVINELY powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ"

"You are looking at things as they are outwardly. If anyone is confident in himself that he is Christs, let him consider this again within himself, that just as he is Christs, so also are we. For even if I boast somewhat further about our authority, which the Lord gave for BUILDING YOU UP AND NOT FOR DESTROYING YOU, I will not be put to shame"
---Chris9396 on 4/28/12


hello,bro.Sag,my apologies- spell'wrong your name.I have visual impairment but, not your problem.Family,there is also,awar in the gov't.We cannot pray 'n the schools,or school yards America! You can not pass out tracts,here the city where I live downtown. This country was founded on the religious freedom,basically God... Isn't that a war also,waged by the enemy???love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 4/28/12


I agree with most of you but a little more with Christan. Most of the wars faught here are against those who call themselves Christians, who declare they know God, but have no clue who He is, yet they answer as if they know Him. False teachers with a predetermine agenda. Athiest is not at war with God, he knows not God. He has no clue what we are talking about. So he ask, "at war?" seriously?
---Mark_V. on 4/28/12


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hello,yes!certainly,agree with Seg and Tom2..hope I spell you both names right. I got into a rather heated discussion with another Christian bro. he thinks that having alot of big fine cars,nice expensive house,yatta.. Means someone closer to God. I told him God knows all of us..God honors faith,prayer he not goin' obligate sick & old folk send your bill money to TBN.. Pro.16:18 Pride goes before destruction,a haughty spirit before a fall.there was a certain millionaire famous for "Soap & Detergent" long ago Billy Sunday preach' testimony years ago, gave millionsfund orphanages to provide. He said God said feed the hungry!
---ELENA on 4/28/12


I've grown ICE COLD to those Tele-Terrorists you often talk about.

TBN is their TV home. I think that many people have been deceived into thinking that financially supporting TBN is the same as helping out GOD. Not in my opinion.

A former friend constantly started arguments with me about my NOT sending money to TBN. Arguing over a trivial issue like that?

I believe that that is PROOF that us Christians are at war with Satan and his strongholds.

I now understand that that includes my former friend and TBN.

I pray for my enemies. Jesus Christ commanded us to do so. Difficult as that is. Even though I don't think that TBN deserves even a penny from me.

---Sag on 4/27/12


oh yes we are at war,the world is sooooo overtaken by materalism,and many professing christians also,believing they are living for jesus,but living to acquire possessions,with the false prosperity doctrine flooding are ranks,Gods kingdom is spiritual,it is spiritual growth thru obidience and submission,not investments,and iras,stock markets,money markets,and annuitys.
---tom2 on 4/27/12


This is true armageddon: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

The battle is not against the Muslims nor the Buddhist or the other religions of the world who don't claim to believe in Christ but the battle is against the false christians!
---christan on 4/27/12


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St. Paul used several metaphors about the spiritual life.

In Ephesians 6, he used the warfare figure, extending his analogy to include the typical Roman legionaire's kit.

In Hebrews 11 he used the figure of a race.

Elsewhere, he used wrestling and athletic training as a figure.

Only people of childish understanding take all parts of a metaphor literally.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/12


I firmly believe that we are in a Spiritual war, and that I must be prepared on a daily basis to protect myself from the Enemy's attacks.

Atheist, Ephesians 6 discusses spiritual warfare, in which believers are engaged.
---Trish on 4/26/12


AT war? Seriously?
---atheist on 4/26/12


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