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No true Christian is taken captive by the devil. Only the lost are captive of satan. "God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" It is God who grants repentance and brings Truth to the believers.
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ "you should not only believe" in Him but also suffer for his sake" Believing in Christ is granted by God for the sake of Christ.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing, it is a gift of God-not because of works, lest any man should boast"
---Mark_V on 5/27/12


(Anti-christ) is deceptive-- Another word other then The Word of God-Ysha-Jesus Christ---Starts as another seed----Look for the chore.
Praise God,His Word is light that exposes-in the darkness.
Praise God who confirms and testifies of His Word -Ysha-Jesus Christ-The Living Word.

Is this false worshipping still in practice? Have you heard or witnessed this? It goes by many names but there is only one source.

"mother earth goddess"
"Ishtar"
"queen of heaven" (Jeremiah Chap 7 and 44)

(god of fertility) Diana, Artemis or Cybele home was Ephesus-worshipped at Sardis-the ancient capital of Lydia.The warning given in the Book of the Revealing of Jesus Christ
Rev 3:1-6
Cont'
---char on 5/27/12


Ginger, sister-
Please except my apology.
What I have posted:
//Ginger, posted again for the record:
Blessing sister,
Rev3:19-21
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
---char on 5/26/12//

Was not intended for you to be misrepresented.

I stand with you sister.

again--Amen.
---char on 5/27/12


Posted again for the record:
2Tim 2:
22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, [with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.]
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the [servant of the Lord] must not strive, but be gentle unto [all men], apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those [that oppose themselves], if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
---char on 5/26/12


beautiful...

2 Tim 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

yes, Jesus knows His own, not because there was a determined number from the beginning...but because He determined from the beginning that it is those who cleanse and overcome through the power of Jesus Christ.

thanks, char, for your tenacious diligence in seeking the Truth.
---aka on 5/26/12




Posted again for the record:
2Tim 2
25 In meekness instructing those [that oppose themselves], if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
26 And that they may [recover themselves] out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by[ him at his will].
The pronouns [him and his] do not have the same reference, The first refers to the servant-the second to God.
[ recover themselves] (Literaly-become sober again). Grk, ananepho. The devil stirs up those he has ensnared to be in opposition to God--- [lest] God should give them repentance, and lest, having been taken captive by [Gods servant], they should escape the snare, to do the will of God...[Repent and be forgiven]
Lk24:45-53
Shalom
---char on 5/26/12


Ginger, when someone Amens false teaching it is call "antichrist" The passage in (Rev, 3:19-21) are words that the Lord spoke to the Church at Laodicea. Any person who thinks or believe Jesus is talking to individuals today are just foolish. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches. And to the angel of the church of the Laodians write" And He goes on to tell them what to write to them.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus knocking at a persons heart. Just nonsense. The context does not allow it. That is called picking and choosing what fits in your false theology. Not the meaning God wanted to convey.
---Mark_V. on 5/27/12


Ginger, posted again for the record:
Blessing sister,
Rev3:19-21
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
---char on 5/26/12


The nature is present from the moment of conception making it impossible for man to live in a way that pleases God.--Mark_V. on 5/24/12

And for that matter, How did David become a man after God's own heart?
David was a murderer and an adulterer.

I thought people like this didn't seek God (according to MarkV), yet David sought God!

I recall he asked God to create in him a clean heart.

He was still sinning after God had him anointed as king.
I don't see anywhere where the Holy Spirit was in David either, yet he believed ferociously that God is God.
---ginger on 5/26/12


AMEN CHAR!!!!
Yet MarkV believes God made some vessels of honor and other vessels of dishonor and that the ones who are dishonor cannot change.

Those verses explain it all. Thank you and God bless you for the word of God! the whole Truth!!!!
---ginger on 5/26/12




For the record:
Grace- the fact that we are not perfect: 2 Tim 2 (All)
[The Lord knoweth them that are his.] Who are they?[ them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.]
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.[vs 22with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.] And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

cont'
---char on 5/26/12


The nature is present from the moment of conception making it impossible for man to live in a way that pleases God.--Mark_V. on 5/24/12

Mark
If it is Impossible, why was God pleased with Moses?

(Exodus 33:17)
And the LORD said to Moses, I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.

And what makes a righteous man, righteous?
---David on 5/26/12


salvation comes by the grace of God through faith,//MarkV

Yes, when we place our faith in God, we receive grace from God.
Char is 100% right, MarkV.

The conviction of the Holy Spirit causes you to see your sin,and repent, and tells you that you need God. When we repent and believe, the Holy Spirit moves inside of us. This does not happen until AFTER repentance and belief on our part.
Other wise why was the HS given?
He was sent here to convict us of our sins. To teach us.
When this happens, we put down/give up what we want for our lives and pick up and believe what God wants for our lives.
But you seem to think that a person can't do this?
Again I ask, Why do you think the the Holy Spirit was given?
---ginger on 5/26/12


Chria, your right, their innocent as far as responsibility is concerned, but they are conceived in sin. All people need the atonement of Christ to enter heaven in this life. Babies don't know about the atonement. And we know that man is judge by their works. What I believe, (my own opinion not Scripture) if a baby dies, that he goes to the Great White Throne of Judgement, where all unbelievers go. The books are opened and no bad works are written in their case. And since God is a just God, the baby will not be charge for any crime and will be saved. I go by reading (Romans 1:11-24) concerning the wrath of God: babies don't know the Truth or suppress the truth. How does it fit the elect? They have to be of the elect in order to go to heaven.
---Mark_V. on 5/25/12


Char, salvation comes by the grace of God through faith, and not by any works we do. So salvation does not come because we repent. Repentance is the action of a person who has been born of God. He is granted repentance by God. "...God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 2:25,26).
While a person is lost he is a captured prisoner, under the snare of the devil doing his will. He cannot on his own escape the devils will, blindly he loves what he is doing. He knows not God. He needs the help of God to bring him to spiritual life together with Christ. (Eph. 2:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 5/25/12


//---josef on 5/1/12//---I like this statement.

Repentance brings Remission.
Emanuel[Ysha] Died and Rose from the dead-complete action- Resurrection---Death conquered.
Ask for forgiveness (Repent) knowing Repentance brings Remission. This is not an atonement: Heb: [kaphar] "to cover over," But a completed "lift Up- and lifting off" sin -A "removal" Heb: [nasa] (str #5375) Ps 25:18,Ps 103:2,3
Gen 3:22 human existed as a unit [echad]with God-- but now exist [mmnn]"away from" -- "apart from God". The goal is to return to the path that will remit back to be [echad] "one with" Elohyim.Jn17

As little children Mat 18:3...
---char on 5/24/12


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I agree babies are born innocent, yet are born only with an awareness of self. They have had no opportunity to learn/understand anything other than what they percieve. Distinguishing the mother from 'self' for instance, takes time, but they do learn quickly. Crying is often times a reflex, but they learn to "use" crying to get needs met as well as wants.Consistantly catering to a childs wants reinforces a negative behavior (manipulation). The child is not aware that they in essence, seek to control, get what they want, but it's there...to the young child, it's all about 'me'. We see this to varying degrees in adults, including ourselvss
---chria9396 on 5/24/12


Can we be saved without the remission of sin?

No.

The wages of Sin is --death.
God provided the way of salvation-His Word-became flesh-dwelt amoung us-died and rose from the dead[Emmanuel]---conquering death - Period.

He has "set aside" those who understand and will bearwitness of this truth to and for "whosoever"...will believe.

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

All Begin with the Creator/Elohyim and all will return to Creator/Elohyim---For judgment.
He is [I Am] the beginning and ending of all things.
God Is - Timeless.

Only His Word---saves.
Rom10:9-10
---char on 5/24/12


Blogger89, you are correct in that
"Therefore as sin came into the world through one man ( Adam ) sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." (Rom. 5:12).
This is speaking of the inherent propensity to sin entered the human realm, men became sinners by nature. Adam passed to all his descendants the inherent sinful nature he possessed because of his first disobedience. The nature is present from the moment of conception (Ps. 51:5) making it impossible for man to live in a way that pleases God. Satan, the father of sin ( 1John 3:8) first brought temptation to Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:1-7) When Adam sinned, all mankind sinned in his loins (V. Rom. 5:18: Heb. 7:7-10).
---Mark_V. on 5/24/12


babies are not born selfish, micha.
Do you have children?
I do and getting ready to be a grandma.
They are created as GOD created them. We all have basic needs. Food water shelter and warmth when its cold and cool when it is hot.
Babies cannot get these things for themselves. SO, where is the selfishness at?
Our relationship with our children is a shadow of our relationship with God. God is our parent and we are his children. He says he will provide our needs.
---ginger on 5/24/12


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For by one man (Adam) sin entered the world and death by sin, so that death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

One man got us in, one Man got us out. Babies are indeed born "innocent" but they are born of the flesh. The law stirs up the passions of the flesh and shows the need for a Savior. As soon as a child knows by the law what he did is wrong, the knowledge of sin is present. Fear and condemnation of the flesh is the result. There is only one way out of that and back into fellowship with God. If Adam's disobedience didn't affect all men, then there really was no need for Jesus to do what He did. Innocent is one thing. Righteousness by faith is quite another.
---blogger8980 on 5/23/12


Babies are born selfish.
Why do you think they are crying?
It's not for compassion or empathy.
The Bible says 'all have come short...' and there are 'none righteous'.
What is the purpose of teaching our young the ways of God if they've got it already?
What you see in a beautiful child is pure sin-selfishness, greed, wrath, tempers from day 1.
Children are a gift from God because of God trusting them into our care.
Faithful in a little...
We can show obedience by 'training up a child in the way he should go."
Where does the child learn to sin if it weren't so? parents?
At what age do you see sin arise? sin being the opposite of the fruits of the spirit.
---micha9344 on 5/23/12


"And Pharaoh said to his servants, "can we find such a one as this, a man "in whom is the Spirit of God?"

MarkV, Pharoah recognized the spirit ON him. Not in Him.
God did not indwell people back then. He spoke to them through things, and in dreams and angels disguised as people.
The spirit was upon the prophets not in them. Again, I am wondering if you understand the written english language.
---ginger on 5/22/12


\\Adam, the first man who fell by disobedience and plunged all of mankind into spiritual death.\\
---blogger8980 on 5/21/12

Huh ???

You can't find that in scripture. The only places the "original sin" fallacy is found in within Roman Catholic and Reformed "traditions"

Read Romans 7:7-11
when the commandment came, sin took opportunity through the commandment. Then sin came alive "And I Died"

Romans 1:18-32 speaks of unbelievers, and how there was a time when they knew God, but then acknowledged Him no longer, exchanged the truth for a lie, became fools, etc etc etc

babies are born innocent.
---James_L on 5/23/12


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ginger, you reject the Truth again. You said,
"This means that Joshua was in the spirit NOT the spirit was in him.
Did you take basic english?"

My English is not that great but my studies of Scripture are good. Here is why you are wrong. Joshua could not be in the Spirit if the Spirit was not within him. For it is written:
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14).
So in order for Joshua to have Spiritual discernment he would have to be indwelled by the Spirit.
"a man "in whom is the Spirit of God?"
sounds like indwelling.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/12


a man in whom is the Spirit.. numbers//markV

This means that Joshua was in the spirit NOT the spirit was in him.
Did you take basic english?

You really need to learn to read your bible the correct way instead of injected your beliefs and making it TRY to fit what you believe.
The Bible says what it says, not what you think it says.
Again, NONE were INDWELLED with the Holy SPirit in the OT. Many were inside the spirit meaning the Spirit was ON them but NEVER in them.
Only One man came here with it already in him..CHRIST.
---ginger on 5/22/12


ginger, you seem to enjoy trying to proof the Truth wrong.

Even Pharaoh recognized the indwelling of the Spirit in Joseph (Gen. 41:38) "And Pharaoh said to his servants, "can we find such a one as this, a man "in whom is the Spirit of God?" The Spirit indwelling was to help the person. Jesus called it "another helper"
(Numbers 27: 18) "And the Lord said to Moses: "Take Joshua the son of Nun with you, a man in whom is the Spirit," and lay your hand on him"
The New Testament reveals that the Spirit in the prophets gave them discernment and wisdom, (1 Peter 1:11). O.T. individuals were indwelled by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


AMen Blogger.
And no MarkV, no one in the OT had the Holy Spirit inside them. It was upon them, with them but NOT EVER in them UNTIL CHRIST CAME.

And How, MarkV, do you answer what Blogger said?
How did Adam STILL hear God? And Cain?
Christ plainly told us that the Comforter would not come UNTIL Christ ascended to God.
WHere does David say he had the HS inside him?
I recall him asking God to CREATE in him a clean heart.
According to you, that can't happen until the HS is in someone, yet David still did not have a clean heart.
---ginger on 5/21/12


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ginger, when you quote me do it correctly. I never said ,

"According to MarkV, no one can hear God unless the Holy Spirit is IN them before they get saved."

I Never said that. I said you had to be born of the Spirit (made alive spiritually) in order to hear spiritually. The natural man cannot hear spiritual matters, the preaching of the cross them is foolishness. But unto us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Indwelling by the Spirit is when the Spirit comes inside of each believer to help him do the works that God wants every believer to do. Then he is sealed by the Spirit for assurance.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


A person does not have to be indwell to hear God. ~MarkV

Obviously a contradiction to previous attempts to enlighten us all. For the record, Adam heard God after he fell and was spiritually dead. Wonder how that could be? Cain heard Him too, though he came from fallen Adam just like every other miserable sinner on this earth. If there was anyone who was not going to be able to hear God, it should have been Adam, the first man who fell by disobedience and plunged all of mankind into spiritual death. If he (or anyone before Christ came) still had the ability to hear God in the spiritually dead state he was in, any man can hear God today because of Jesus. What Jesus did is always going to be greater than what Adam did.
---blogger8980 on 5/21/12


Mark
Just wanted to say, I'm not a fan of the "Left Behind" stories or Hal Lindsey either.
The Tribulation to which I was referring is in (Matthew 24).
---David on 5/21/12


So, again I ask MarkV,
Since God had not given the Holy Spirit in the OT to indwell believers, so how were they able to have faith and believe?
How were they even able to HEAR God?
According to MarkV, no one can hear God unless the Holy Spirit is IN them before they get saved.
God CLEARLY says Israel has a choice. In fact he tells Israel to CHOOSE whom they will serve. Why does MarkV think that God has changed since then? Cause God never changes. So God telling us to choose is still true.
I am wondering if MarkV realizes he contradicted himself in his last post, too.
---ginger on 5/21/12


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ginger, when you are correct I will acknowledge it, if I can. But you are wrong. First, spiritual hearing comes from God. A person does not have to be indwell to hear God. The people in Moses time could physically hear, but they could not spiritually hear because God had not given them the hearing yet in (Deut. 29:1-4). You are also wrong when you say that none were indwelled by the Spirit in the Old Testament, The Spirit was clearly said to be in Joshua (Numbers 27:18) to be in David (Dan. 4:8: 5:11: 6:3) He also filled some in (Ex. 31:3: 35: 31) and many more passages. The Holy Spirit was at work in the Old Testament, indwelling, coming upon and filling some to do the work of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/21/12


//David, good point you said,....
Don't wonder. Here again. "Faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God"
(insert rest of post)//
MarkV..

David did not say that, I did.
And no one in the OT was INDWELLED with the Holy Spirit. EVER.
The Holy Spirit would come UPON them never in them.
So, how was it they heard, MarkV?
Yeah I read the post, and GOD has not changed today either. One does not need spiritual ears to hear the message of Christ.
---ginger on 5/20/12


To be honest Mark my last blog goes for anyone who dies for their faith.
People even today are dying all the time because they are Christian. In places like Egypt, Syria, they all have Christian minorities. That suffer under all the chaos that is going on.
Those are the ones that have been put to test.
They need our prayers.
---chris on 5/20/12


Are you talking Rapture or Tribulation?
If Tribulation they are those who are slaughtered for their faith. Their faith is by their death and thus their salvation.
---chris on 5/20/12


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David, Confucius once said,
"A man who has committed a mistake and doesn't correct it is committing another mistake."
I do not believe in the "Let Behind" novels. So we don't agree.
The Truth is, from Genesis to Revelation, there is no exact passage that specifically mentions a seven year period of tribulation at all. The entire theory is really based on a rather sepculative interpretaion of two little words in one single verse. The text is (Daniel 9:27) and the two words are "one week". So I do not agree on "Hale Lindsey's" book "The late Great Planet Earth" which also reflects this view.
About God testing us, what passage are you talking about?
---Mark_V. on 5/20/12


Mark
Let's look for an area in which we do agree, and work from that.
You and I agree the church will go through the Great Tribulation.
Question:
Why do you believe God will test us, if he has already chosen those who will be saved?
---David on 5/18/12


David, good point you said,

"So I am wondering how MarkV thinks the OT saints had faith?
How was it they could hear and believe?"


Don't wonder. Here again. "Faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God"

Hearing come by the Word of God. Without the word of God there is no hearing. And if you have no hearing, you will never receive faith. Not everyone who reads the word of God gets hearing.
When God spoke He spoke to those who could hear. In the Old Testament they were few. He even indwelled some, came upon others, and Old Testament prophets declared that they spoke by means of the Spirit ( 2 Samuel 23:2: Eze. 2:2: Micah 3:8).
---Mark_V. on 5/17/12


So I am wondering how MarkV thinks the OT saints had faith?
How was it they could hear and believe?


Excellent point Ginger!!
---David on 5/16/12


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Blogger89, if you give Scripture passage we can look at the context to find out the real meaning of a verse. You want people to believe what she says without any proof. Just like the RCC giving their own interpretations without Scripture proof. They want their people to believe what they say. And trust in them. We trust in God and His Word. What happens is you read the passage and ignore what it says, and put your own spin on it. Be a man of God, present the word of God, tell us what passage you are talking about, and not just a lot of talk. Many religions just talk and don't follow the real Truth. At least for a day, man up to the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 5/15/12


Amen Kath,

No gentile was included in until after the Holy Spirit had been given.

So I am wondering how MarkV thinks the OT saints had faith?
How was it they could hear and believe?
THe Holy Spirit could not be in anyone until after Christ had came and sent it back. The Comforter. That is what Jesus said he was sending to those who believe.
Once one believes, the Holy Spirit comes into them and helps them to become the way God wants them to become. They not only are hearers of the word (believers) but doers of the word.
I am sure that is what David is refereing to.
MarkV want so bad for the Spirit to be in someone before they believe, but scripture does not support it. Jesus never said such a thing.
---ginger on 5/15/12


That must mean you either speak to convince yourself or you are here to brag on your chosen status.
---blogger8980 on 5/14/12

Exactly, and since THEY believe faith does not come by hearing, why do they keep Speaking?

The only thing I see they continue to say is none of us know anything, and we are all lost. Yet, what purpose do they have in telling us THEIR TRUTH?? We have no ears to hear or eyes to see. Do they think we can hear them?

Go find somewhere else to BOAST of your election MarkV, and I WILL stay here and BOAST OF THE CROSS!
---kathr4453 on 5/14/12


Kathr, again you did a lot of religious talk. No Scripture at all, which is a way of saying you speak Truth when you give no Truth from Scripture.

Kathr could give hundreds of Scriptures and it would make no difference as you would twist every one of them to make them say what your deception tells you. Everything you accuse others of is what you do yourself. Your spending so much time hijacking every blog for your purpose is a testimony to the fallibility of your doctrine. If God is sovereign in the sense you say he is, no one here has a need to be taught about it since God will save them regardless of teaching and when He wants to. That must mean you either speak to convince yourself or you are here to brag on your chosen status.
---blogger8980 on 5/14/12


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Kathr, again you did a lot of religious talk. No Scripture at all, which is a way of saying you speak Truth when you give no Truth from Scripture.
At least David gave a passage (Matt. 10:33). I totally agree that those who reject Christ, "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven" Jesus had just said in (v. 29) That God providentially controls the timing and circumstance of such insignificant events as the death of a Sparrow. Even the number of hairs on our heads is controlled by His Sovereign will (v. 30) Teaching divine providence governs even the smallest details and even the most mundane matters. These are very powerful affirmations of the sovereigny of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/12


But Jesus said only His sheep hear His voice. Hello?
---Mark_V. on 5/13/12

MarkV, first of all, you seem to have a Jesus compleX, meaning you believe YOU are the way thuth and life. That's CALLED delusional.

Secondly, When Jesus spoke those words, He was here on earth speaking to the Jews. NO GENTILE at that time was called MY SHEEP.

Those in Israel who BELIEVED already that Jesus was the Christ HEARD Him and what HE was saying to THEM.

Believe it or not, many in Israel HAD FAITH in the Promise of the coming Messiah, and BELIEVED Jesus was in fact HIM.

Stop using that verse as if you were already born with EARS to Hear Jesus.

Now we hear the Holy Spirit and the Bride say "COME".
---kathr4453 on 5/13/12


He told them who he was and they chose not to believe.
---ginger on 5/13/12(/I>

I am always hearing people say they are saved just because they believe Jesus is the Son of God.

I wonder how they came by this instant faith that is great enough to save them. Peter saw all those miracles, and he even saw Jesus bring a man stinking dead back to life, and yet his faith would not have saved him, because Peter denied Jesus 3 times.

(Matthew 10:33)
But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
---David on 5/13/12


MarkV,
You tell me what you believe. That is what you do.
just because it comes from you does not mean it comes from God.

Yes, they can hear. They can hear us tell them that Jesus died for the sins of the world. THey can hear us tell them that Christ rose from the dead.
It is what they do with it AFTER they are told the truth. Either they beleive it or they don't. Once they are told it is their choice to believe or not.
Christ said this to the Jews also.
He told them who he was and they chose not to believe.
---ginger on 5/13/12


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ginger, I clearly tell you the truth and you do not believe. I write it down for you and you still do not believe just as those Jews in (John 10:24-29). So if they will not believe it is because they have no faith, and that means no one who is lost can hear the words of Christ. So if they cannot hear Truth, how can they believe? You have said everyone hears Christ and they have a right to say yes or no. But Jesus said only His sheep hear His voice. Hello?
---Mark_V. on 5/13/12


I confess I am very ignorant of many of the docrtrines taught today. Thank you Ginger and Kathryn for your helpful information.
Love in Christ
David
---David on 5/13/12


David, I know they believe they are as Jacob, who God told Rebecca, TWO NATIONS are in your womb. And the elder will serve the younger.

MarkV believes himself to be a NATION / renamed Israel, who had 12 sons.

Now MarkV only needs to prove someone serves him.

Calvin also believed he was regenerated at his infant baptismal. ...a works salvation....the works of his parents that is. Calvin openly admitting too he had no PERSONAL faith or conviction of sin upon that regeneration. Calvin was then saved based upon his parents faith in infant baptism.

Again, this is not the Gospel anymore than Jews getting circumcised on the eighth day.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/12


David, From what I have read of Calvinism, what MarkV believes is that the Spirit of God came to him, convicted him of sin and he was unable to deny entry of the Holy Spirit into his heart, then he was able to hear God.
It is called Irresistable Grace.
That if God draws them, they are unable to resist because he chose to call only them.
Maybe I have it wrong, not sure, but that seems to be what I have read about it.

Basically what you are saying. He was chosen from the womb to be saved and he cannot resist it when God calls. No choice. No free will.
I don't see where Christ is needed in this type of belief.
---ginger on 5/12/12


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Quoting scripture to hide behind doesn't mean it's real in MarkV's life.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/12

Kathryn
I asked the question because I think Mark believes he was chosen while he was still in his mothers womb.
If this is what they believe, why does the Calvinist need a savior, if they were saved before they were born?
---David on 5/12/12


MarkV, They won't hear any kind of knocking at their heart.
THEY WILL FEEL THE KNOCKING!

All one has to do is ask. Is God real and is Christ is son?
They'll ask because they HEAR US speak about him.
Do you think they can't hear us? Laughable!

I have never seen someone so confused over the word of God because of their preconcieved beliefs.
One must believe FIRST before receiving the spirit of God.
Did you have the Spirit of Christ in you before you believed God was real? NO. Not possible. But you felt it.
The pouring out on your flesh. The conviction of your sins.
The spirit was not IN you at that time. It was UPON or ON you.
Theres a BIG difference.
But you seem to not know what that difference is.
---ginger on 5/12/12


By the way MarkV,
Who was Christ talking to when he said in John 10:24-28
24 says Christ came to the jews and they asked him to tell him plainly IF he is the Christ. Jesus says He told them already and they did not believe BECAUSE they DIDN'T BELIEVE when he told them, they are not his sheep.

Something about speaking and talking here.

If we tell someone about Christ and what he did and they don't believe, then they are not his sheep.
And because they don't believe what we tell them, he will not come to them.

If we tell, and they believe, he will come to them. Very simple, MarkV.

When you break up verses, you loose the truth in them.
---ginger on 5/12/12


David, MarkV again still has to prove that his old adam spirit was rebirthed by THE SPIRIT. Since he can find NO scripture to back up his claim, everything he says is suspect.

He claims he hears God's VOICE, and follows Jesus, but he does not.

I don't know what he thinks he's hearing but believe me, it is not the Voice of God.

Quoting scripture to hide behind doesn't mean it's real in MarkV's life.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/12


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Only those born of the Spirit seek God. ---Mark_V. on 5/11/12

Mark
When do you believe you were born of the Spirit?
---David on 5/12/12


ginger, most of the quotes you made are for believers only. with the exception of the knocking. God does not knock at a persons heart. Sorry but that is not in Scripture. It is a religious statement that has taken it course but is not true at all. Unbelievers do not hear any knocking. The heart has to be change in order for someone to hear God. Jesus said,
"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep," here we are told only those who believe are His sheep. Then He says,
"and I said to you, My sheep hear My voice, and they follow Me." (John 10:25-27). Only those who are believers, His sheep, hear His voice. Unbelievers do not hear God's voice. For it is written.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/12


Anyone can have faith(believe) in something they can't see.
Think about why Christ told us to be as children?
Children believe(faith) in things they can't see.
We all did as children. Thats the proof needed to know this kind of faith is in every person.

Comparison: We as adults know that santa, easter bunny, tooth fairy, NOT real! BUT as children we believed they were.

I never taught my children about these. BUT I have taught them GOD is real. And they believe even though they are not saved YET. BUT they know without seeing, GOD is real.

Thats the kind of faith GOD wants us to have. TO believe in somthing we can't see.
That kind of believing(faith) is in every person.
---ginger on 5/12/12


MarkV
So then if we have to have faith, what kind of faith?

No none are righteous not one, BUT, that did not stop us from seeking God.

Jesus tells us to ask, seek and knock.
If we ask if God is real, God will show himself and draw us to Christ.
If we seek God, he will find us and draw us close to Christ.
If we knock, the door will be opened and God wil come in and give us a new heart.
None are born of the Spirit MarkV UNTIL they believe.
How do they learn to believe?
By listening to the word of God in the pages of the Bible he provided for us.
AGAIN, the Spirit of God does not come until AFTER we believe. Or are you disputing the Day of Pentecost in Acts? Because they believed FIRST then the spirit came.
---ginger on 5/11/12


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ginger, only those born of the Spirit seek God. Read the passage again in ( Hebrews 11:6).
First, "But without faith it is impossible to please God"
Unbelievers have no faith, the reason they are called unbelievers. (Rom. 3:11) tells us, "There is none who understands, there is none who seeks after God" If they could seek God they would have one thing pleasing to God.
Cont:
"For he that comes to God must believe that He is, (He is what?) God. And that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" Only those with faith seek Him because they believe already He is God.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/12


All men/sinners are forgiven/ reconciled to God through Christ. Their sins not counted against them.
This is the foundation of the Gospel.
God forgives us first, now we must accept, thank HIM and trust HIM to be saved.
HE came to put away sin so we could be saved through faith in HIM.
---duane on 5/10/12


Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please God: for he that COMES to God must believe that he is, and that he is a REWARDER of them that diligently SEEK him.

Sounds to me like Paul is telling us to seek God.
And when we seek God, he draws near to us.
If this is not true, then what does diligently seek mean?
God did not give Abel faith to believe FIRST.
Abel believed(had faith) and did and God rewarded.
One must believe God is real FIRST.
Faith the size of a mustard seed.
Ask, seek, knock and you will find God. And he will find you too.
---ginger on 5/10/12


In answer to the question is, no. The remission of sins comes from the Lord.
But you are wrong, unbelievers do not repent to God. You can ask any unbeliever to repent, and he will ask you why? They don't love God, they don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, why repent to someone you don't believe in?
Only believers repent because they have faith they will be forgiven. Their desire is to please God. To be made right with God. Why? Because they love the Lord, and the Spirit has changed their hearts, by giving them eyes to see and ears to hear Spiritual Truth. "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
---Mark_V. on 5/10/12


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We see Abel FOUND FAVOR with God AFTER he obeyed and sacrificed according to what God said He wanted. MERITED FAVOR!
---kathr4453 on 5/4/12


Good example, Kathryn.
There are many examples in the Old Testament which define words in the New Testament.
Sadly, many people choose to rely on the dictionary for their definitions. Those definitions which are written by men, as dictated by their doctrines.

God bless.
---David on 5/9/12


kathr4453, A-men. I like that word you used, "duplicity". Off the topic a little, it reminds me of that song, "supercalafragilistyic espealidocious". "Duplicity", nah, God doesn't do that, instead he has "singleness of heart".
---Eloy on 5/4/12


If you must do something, then Gods Grace is not "Unmerited".
---David on 5/1/12

AMEN David. There is no such word in scripture "UNMERITED". Just another in the dictionary of the CULTS.

We see Abel FOUND FAVOR with God AFTER he obeyed and sacrificed according to what God said He wanted. MERITED FAVOR!

He also gave Cain a SECOND CHANCE TO DO what was right in God's eyes.

Cain refused to obey.

God did not withhold any spiritual ears or eyes from Cain. If He had, God would not have given Cain a second chance to do what was RIGHT in God's Eyes.

That would be calling God EVIL and dishonest and dealing in duplicity.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/12


Nana, A-men sister. The sloths love misapplying the word "It is finished", because they delight in doing nothing. Fruitless trees they are, good for nothing, but to be gathered up and burned in the fire. Salt that has no saltness, what can be salted threwith? it is good for nothing, but to do tossed out and trampled under foot of mankind. It is finished, it is finshed, should I stop posting, for it is finished?
"Nay, but o' sinner, You go finish, you go finish what I command you:
Repent from your sins.
Plead for my salvation.
Obtain my Holy Spirit.
Go into all the world and share this gospel with others whom also need me."
---Eloy on 5/4/12


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Well said Eloy.
Christ came with purpose, for a mission, just as he entrusted also a task to his followers- be it 12, some 70 or some 120:

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."
John 14:3 "But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence."

Matthew 11:29 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."
"learn of me"
"learn of me"
"learn of me"
---Nana on 5/4/12


Christ finished his own life on the cross, he never said Because of me do nothing now: Christ commands each person to likewise take up their own cross, and follow after him up to the end. The delusion of a sinner being immune and escaping accountability for their sins, because of falsely saying that they are vicariously associated to the Innocent and Holy One is false doctrine. For if you are truly atoned for, then you would not be living in sin, but instead living blamelessly and sinlessly in Christ bearing fruits of righteousness: rather than living in uncrucified and carnal sin which is antiChrist and not Christian. No repentance, then no salvation: for the new life is only given after the old life is surrendered and nailed to the cross.
---Eloy on 5/3/12


David says//For someone to be saved, there must be forgiveness of sin. And to receive forgiveness of sin, we must confess our sins.

I believe you are in error. The sin issue was delt with on the cross. For one to be saved they must trust in the finished work of Christ alone.
---JIM on 5/3/12


David, A-men. The human race would not have been saved if Noah did not obey, and work to build the ark of salvation. And Lot and his daughters would not have been saved if they did not obey the angels from God and flee from Sodom and Amorah. And David would not have killed the giant if he did not listen to the Spirit and get a sling shot with a stone, and hurl it at the adversary's head. Simply God commands, "I have not made sheol nor hell fire in vain. Do what I say and I will bless: but refuse to Do what I say and I will destroy."
---Eloy on 5/2/12


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Many believer's have been taught their actions have nothing to do with their salvation.
I was pointing out that even at the very beginning of our walk, we must obey God if we are to have Eternal Life.
---David on 5/2/12


Acts 3:26
having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

You cant accept truly accept Jesus Christ without wanting a change of life... a life without sin.
---CraigA on 5/1/12


No way. Remission means removal, and sin cannot be removed until the soul repents from the sin, otherwise the sin remains rather than remits. We are saved "from" sin, we are not saved "in" sin.
---Eloy on 5/1/12


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