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Is the USA Modern Day Babylon?

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No, Jerry, I dont watch MSNBC, but I do get my news from a number of sources, both right and left wing. I doubt you can say the same. Nearly destroyed America? You're lack of faith in America amazes me. Maybe it's you who should move.

Catholicus. I do not believe that Christians are being persecuted anymore than any other group in this country. People like Jerry thinks we should live in a Leaver it to Beaver world, but its not like that, and never has been. Contrary to what a lot on this site believe, American was NOT founded on the Bible. No one is stopping you from worshipping how you believe, but no one is allowed to force their brand of religion on others.
---NurseRobert on 6/28/12


Also, Catholicus seems to think we liberals are persecuting you. Do you feel that way? I certainly hope not.
---Trish on 6/27/12

Trish, I don't feel that I have been personally persecuted on these blogs by you or Nurse Roberts. But I do believe that there is more bigotry and injustice in this country against christians than any other group of people today. So in that regard, yes, I believe that people of conservative christian values are persecuted on a daily basis by the left, both legally and illegally.
---Jed on 6/28/12


I have no doubt that Elder knows all about tin hats..

Catholicus, Jed amazes me too.
---NurseRobert on 6/27/12


Jed: My reply posts to Trish & Nurse Robert aren't being posted, so I'll address them to you. Yes, they watch the freak show called MSNBC and think that it is reality. It is communist-leaning liberals like these that have nearly destroyed America. I don't understand why they don't just move to the communist utopia of nearby Cuba. Their "guy" refuses to uphold the law of the land (which he swore to do), among other crimes. God help us come November to save our nation.


---jerry6593 on 6/28/12


Jed: The play on words only really works in writing, though I have heard it among my liberal friends. I had four years of high school French. I certainly know how to pronounce 'faux.'

Also, Catholicus seems to think we liberals are persecuting you. Do you feel that way? I certainly hope not.
---Trish on 6/27/12




What do you folks that rely on the liberal media call their reports if not "imitation, artificial, fake and one sided?"
If the liberal news tells me it's sunny and bright outside I get the cat. I wrap her in tin foil and fix her up with a snorkel. I then throw her outside and watch to see if she drowns or gets struck by a lightning bolt.
Whew.... with a lie like that I bet I can get a job at MSNBC.
---Elder on 6/27/12


Jed, that was a brilliant comeback you made about Fox News to those liberals who're trying to persecute you. You amaze me! Keep up the good work!
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


Nurse Roberts, Trish, I know the meaning of the word "Faux". The part that I found funny is that you are apparently trying to create a pun by spelling "Fox News" with "faux" instead of "fox", thinking that it would be funny because it sounds the same. Only it doesn't sound the same. Only uneducated people think "faux" in pronounced like "fox". The correct way to pronounce "faux news" would be "fo news", which doesn't make any sense at all.

I suppose you guys rely on MSNBC for the truth? Lol.
---Jed on 6/27/12


Jed: The reason many of us refer to Fox News as Faux News is also in the meaning of "faux." It means, "imitation, artificial, fake." It's supposed to be a play on words. There are many of us who believe that a lot of what is said on Fox News is fiction.
---Trish on 6/27/12


Jed..

Adj. 1. faux - not genuine or real, being an imitation of the genuine article.

A perfect description of the "news" you find on Fox. Fair and Balanced?? Right. They are spokepeople for the right wing.

Affordable Care Act: So, don't read it and remain ignorant, afterall, it is much easier to have someone give you talking points, even false ones, than to learn for yourself.

I believe in looking things up and learning for myself. I've read about 30% of the bill, specfically the parts where people claimed it has "death panels" and "hospitals not being paid". Its not difficult reading, no harder than reading the KJV of the Bible.

---NurseRobert on 6/27/12




Can I jump back to Executive Privedge for a moment...

"Yeah, hes got a responsibility to protect executive privilege. Thats just part of preserving the powers of the presidency He should do what he thinks is the right thing with regards to members of his team but preserve executive privilege." -- Mitt Romney..

But he wasn't talking about Obama, he was talking about Bush II. So, he critizes a democrat president for involking executive privledge but praises a republican one for using it..

There is a word for this...
---NurseRobert on 6/27/12


Yea, Jed, there are a lot of people that wants you to not listen to Fox news.
They want you to listen to the liberal news channels. I don't blame them really. If my messiah was being exposed for his falsehoods and what he really is I'd tell you the same thing.
I will tell you one thing I am proud to say about Obama, 'cause I try to find something good in everyone. He stood up and made Biden tell the truth on national TV. He made Biden say, "Obama is not fit to be president." Wow! What truth! So, democrats don't always lie.
How can you ever forget these two men?
---Elder on 6/27/12


Nurse Roberts, I don't even get Fox News on my channel line up so that's just funny that you think I drink "Faux News KoolAid". It's also funny that you don't know the word "faux" is not pronounced "fox", it's pronouced "fo", as in the French term "faux pas" (pronounced "fo pa"). You might get some funny looks if you acutally go around pronouncing it "fox" in public.

Who are you to tell people to read the Obamacare bill when you haven't read it yourself. And if you say you have then we know for sure that you are a liar, because no members of congress have ever even claimed to read the bill. Why don't you take 5 weeks off from work and read it.
---Jed on 6/27/12


Convictions are more dangerous to the truth than lies.
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


Trey, after reading all the facts in Scripture, I too agree with your answer just like most reformers did. I have the series of the Old X Files, and two statements made on that show that compares to the Roman Catholic Church, the first is, "Deny everything" Every Pope, no matter who he was, has denied everything evil they did through the Centuries with the exception of one pope that agreed with the Jews that they had persecuted the Jews and wanted to apologize for the Church actions through history.
The other statement is, "The truth is out there" They can never deny there is a truth to what they have done, because they cannot change the past and what is happening even today.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/12


Jed, youre drinking the Faux News koolaid again. Try downloading the law and reading it. YOU might learn something.
---NurseRobert on 6/27/12


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Wrong again Nurse Roberts, the Obamacare bill is 2,163,744 words. That's two and a half times longer than the King James Bible.
If you add the text of the Obamacare statutes to its regulations, they are together three times as long as the Bible. Again, the point is still the same. No one has ever read the bill. Even if they could, imagine how a judge is supposed to be able to adequately determine if someone is in compliance with the law! How could he do that if it takes 4 1/2 full time work weeks to even read the bill? Just imagine the arguing on this site about the interpretations of the Bible, and mulitiply it by 3! It's insane.
---Jed on 6/26/12


And I heard too that Ayn Rand was a wonderful Christian woman too.
---Catholicus on 6/26/12


Yes maybe The "Affordable" (Huh?) Care Act does have around 400,000 words. You also have to add those sneaky little riders that were attached on.... like the Home sales tax.
---Elder on 6/26/12


Based upon:
Re17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rome sits on 7 mountains. Reviewing the way they have treated Christians (including many of their own members) down through the ages, my belief is that Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church.
---trey on 6/26/12


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Umm, considering that the Obamacare bill is literally 3 times longer than the King James Bible
---Jed on 6/26/12
Jed, the wonderful thing about the internet is how easy it is to prove or disprove what people post.

The KJV of the Bible has a little over 823,000 words. The Affordable Care Act has around 400,000. Interestingly, the Republican Gospel written by Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged has about 600,000.

It seems to me that you are reasonably intelligent. You could probably understand it if you read it. Its a shame that people would rather have someone else do their reading and thinking for them.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/12


Insurance companies and Doctors would not have to make some of the decisions they do if it wasn't for Obama care.
Strange also that China was selling their sub-standard junk in America before Bush was in office.
Since the Democrats can't get it together they have gone all the way back to blaming Regan. That's 25+ years ago. Roosevelt got us into the SS mess, let's hear some democrat blame him.
I think it must be King George's fault......
---Elder on 6/26/12


ok, the health care bill is so long even congress couldn't read it or wouldn't read it. no one knows exactly what is in the new bill that furnishes health care to some while others can't get what they need. I would love to read the new bill but I guess a commoner like couldn't understand it anyway. I would like nancy pelosi to tell me. after all she is so brilliant with her comments. I turn my tv off when she comes on.
---shira4368 on 6/26/12


Perhaps if people actually read the health care law they would understand what it says. I guess thats asking too much..
---NurseRobert on 6/26/12

Umm, considering that the Obamacare bill is literally 3 times longer than the King James Bible, yes I would say that is asking a little much. Especially since the folks in congress who have voted on the bill and the judges deciding it's constitutionality have never even read it. As a matter of fact, I don't know of even one politician who has claimed to have read it completely. It would take the average reader 180 hours to read the Obamacare bill. That's four and a half 40-hour business weeks.
Should we be signing into law bills that no human has ever even read, let alone understand?
---Jed on 6/26/12


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NurseRoberts, America has always been a country of equal oportunity. How do you think it is that many of our contries most successful people have come from very humble beginnings? In fact, nobody gets bigger tax breaks than the poor, since the poor and most of the middle class pay no federal income taxes at all. Liberal regulations make it increasingly harder for people of humble beginnings, like small business owners, to excel and become wealthy. It has been accurately stated that Bill Gates,Steve Jobs, and Thomas Edison never could have become what they have with all of today's government intrusions. At any rate, the success or failure of someone else will have no effect upon your own success. You have to seize your own oportunities.
---Jed on 6/26/12


Jerry: My comment to Joseph was intended to be for you. Also, you really need to stop watching Fox News. It's practically owned by the Republican party. Their reports are intended to breed fear and distrust.

NurseRobert is right, both parties have extremists, and Fox is feeding the extreme Right's propaganda to people. The truth is that the majority of the Democrats are not much different than the majority of Republicans.
---Trish on 6/26/12


Nurse Robert, I'm sure the answer to your questions is that all the current European governments as well as the Obama administration are controlled by the Illuminati. :)
---Catholicus on 6/26/12


Joseph: How has Western Europe managed to allow socialized medical care, and an equal playing field for everyone for decades, without becoming Communist?

NAFTA stands for North American Free Trade Act. Correct me, if I am wrong, but when I taught Geography all those years, North America comprised Canada, the United States and Mexico. Unless it was amended to include other countries, that would exclude the Asian countries entirely.
---Trish on 6/26/12


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Jerry, you really need to stop watching the Faux News Network.

Like the ultra right wingers (maybe you are one of them) on the outer extremes of the right wing, there are left wingers who may believe that. And like the right wingers, they do NOT represent the majority.

Its comments like yours that perpetuate the so called "class warfare".
---NurseRobert on 6/26/12


Jed: All this "hate the rich" class warfare stuff is straight out of Marx's Communist Manifesto. These liberal sheep seem to imply that it would be OK to walk down the street to your rich neighbor's house, break in, and steal whatever you want. Worst of all, they call themselves "Christian". How sad that they blindly follow their "dear leader" Obama right into atheistic, dictatorial Communist slavery.


---jerry6593 on 6/26/12


Jed, why is it compassionate conservatives only scream class warfare when the poor stand up for fairness and a level playing field? We don't want the rich to be poorer, but for the poor to have an equal opportunity to succeed. You cant tell me they have. Tax breaks for the rich HAVE created jobs - overseas. Millions of jobs have been moved overseas and business get tax breaks for doing it. Tax breaks creating jobs sounds good in theory, but, in reality, it doesnt.

Elder, I dont know what wallyworld you shop, but the stores here are full - with stuff made in China, which, btw, is NOT a member of NAFTA. Bush era policies made it easy for companies to outsource. Why pay someone here $15 a hour when they can pay some Chinese $1 a day?
---NurseRobert on 6/26/12


I love how people blame Obama for decisions their INSURANCE companies make. Perhaps if people actually read the health care law they would understand what it says. I guess thats asking too much..
---NurseRobert on 6/26/12


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Why do you have a problem with the rich getting richer? Would you feel better if they were suddenly stricken with poverty? If so then you have the right president in office. He's going to make sure everyone is equally poor and no one has any opportunity to excel. How would seeing the rich have thier money taken from them help you any? That attitude is just plain old jealousy. It stinks that some people are poor, it really does. But bringing down the wealthy is not going to change anything for the poor. It's not rich people's fault if you are poor. Nothing they did made you poor. If anything, bringing down the rich is only going to hurt everyone worse.
---Jed on 6/25/12


Many claim it was so bad under the Reagan and Bush era. I have yet to get someone to answer my simple question. Why there were miles after miles of coal cars sitting empty on the tracks in West Virginia rusting away until the republican President took office.
Go into Wal-Mart, the largest retailer in the world, and look at the empty shelves. It wasn't that way when Bush was in.
Any mistake these men made was better than anything Obama has done.
The Democrats wanted NAFTA. They got it. Now they want to blame every body else for jobs going overseas.
Obama wanted socialism health care. You are going to get it. Don't worry about a colonosphy you are going to get it where it hurts the most.
---Elder on 6/25/12


amen elder. my husband retired from the air force after 23 years serving. He wanted to make sure we had medical care..guess what? obama has already trickled down some of his health care right into my pocket. my meds went up from 9.00 to 27.00 for each one. also washington is making it hard for patients to get needed health care. I needed a bipap machine and medicare made it so hard for me to get until I gave up and bought one. it cost me $1750.00. they wouldn't even pay part of it. It is disgusting to earn something only to watch the greedy get free rent, cell phones, groceries and foreigners get money to start a business. I don't think our country will ever get over what has happened in the past 3 years. We need to pray for our country.
---shira4368 on 6/25/12


Jed: If 'trickle down economics' worked so well, why did the corporations, like Bain Capital outsource all of those jobs, adding to America's unemployment rate? The theory was, the rich get tax breaks, hire more employees, lower unemployment, better economy. Reality, lower taxes on rich, they send the jobs overseas, higher unemployment, bad economy.

I live in reality, Jed. Reaganomics was a disaster. Bush I and II were disasters. The rich got richer, and they hid all their riches in off-shore accounts that don't pay income taxes, like some Massachusetts Mormon governor we know of.
---Trish on 6/25/12


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Oh please, Nurse Roberts, give me a brake. Everyone knows that class-warfare balogna is just an election tactic for the liberals. You don't actually believe that junk do you? You do know that tax breaks for businesses creates jobs and higher income for the middle class right? Or were you the bottom of your economics class like Obama was? The fact that the rich were able to earn more money shows that there were more opportunities for wealth creation during the Bush years. The wealthy took advantage of them and the poor didn't, which is to be expected because that's the reason they're poor in the first place. You're so clueless.
---Jed on 6/25/12


Jed: I while don't always agree with Obama's policies, your statement that Reagan and Bush are two of the best presidents in recent history really made me laugh.

Reaganomics as a joke. By cutting taxes for business and the rich + a hugh military buildup, we ended up with a massive deficit. He broke laws by selling guns to the contra then lied to congress about it.

Bush II remains one of the worst presidents in history. His tax cuts for the wealthy did nothing for the poor/middle class. The gaps in after-tax income for the richest 1% and the middle/lower class is the highest it's been in 80 years. It was Bush's policies that started us on the economic mess we are in now.
---NurseRobert on 6/25/12


No America is not Modern Day Babylon.

Does the Bible teach there is going to be a Modern Day Babylon? NO!

And I yet to see a Modern Day President LITERALLY down on all fours eating grass with the cows.

This whole world system outside of Christ and the New Creation to come is Mystery Babylon. Many professing Christians are still in this world and world system and cannot say as Paul...I am crucified to teh world and the world to me...

Come out from among them and be not JUDGED with them!
---kathr4453 on 6/25/12


Right on time Jed!
In 2013 there is a new 3%sales tax on homes taking place, after the election of course.
Sell your home, pay 3% sales tax (it will rise). That will affect the older/sick home owners who go into a nursing home.
Threats to cut SS checks. Let's cut Congress and presidental pay?
Med co-pays rose, only 30 day supply of meds is authorized when it was 90 days. The elderly have to make more trips to Drs and pharmacys for less and less treatment. Yet Obama says, "The private sector is OK." He and his cronies are really out of touch.
PS: gas should be less than a dollar a gallon.
A Duck in a wet water swamp gets more from Obama than seniors do.
---Elder on 6/25/12


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"If we survived Bush and Reagan you will survive Obama."
---NurseRobert on 6/22/12

This statement makes no sense at all. You throw two of the best presidents in recent history in there and say if we survived them we can survive Obama? Yeah, that makes alot of sense, if we can survive good presidents then we can handle a bad one? You should have said "if we survived FDR and Carter we will survive Obama". Now that statement would have made sense since FDR and Carter were probably the 2 worste presidents in the 20th century. Although even that statement still wouldn't have been quite accurate, since Obama is worse then even those two presidents, but at least it would have made sense.
---Jed on 6/24/12


Nurse Roberts, thank you for the statistics. I should have worded it slightly different. I should have asked "How many times has this president used "executive order" to overstep the constitution. Thank you for clarifying. Yes there are times when a president needs to take action, within the constitution, to protect a nation, like Bush had to during war and when we were attacked. I don't really see that as much of a problem as when a president does it in order to overstep the contitution, federal laws, and the will of the people in order gain absolute power to advance his own political agenda.
---Jed on 6/24/12


Nurse Robert, And "1" is all it takes to finish off this once-great nation.
---Gordon on 6/22/12

Blah blah blah... give me a break. Do you have so little faith in America?

If ANY single president could distroy this country then this country is weaker than anyone could imagine.

If we survived Bush and Reagan you will survive Obama.
---NurseRobert on 6/22/12


Nurse Robert, And "1" is all it takes to finish off this once-great nation.
---Gordon on 6/22/12


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How many times has this president used an "executive order" to over-ride the power of congress? This monster has to go!
---Jed on 6/22/12

Ummm.. the answer is: 1

The 4 before Obama:

G.W. Bush: 6
Bill Clinton: 14
G.H.W. Bush: 1
Ronald Reagan: 3

Use of excutive privedge goes back to George Washington. Get over yourself.
---NurseRobert on 6/22/12


Let me back up...

Obama has used executive PRIVLEDGE once since being president. (A big difference between execuitve orders and executive privledge which is what he used in the Holder case).

As of 6/22, Obama has issued 128 executive ORDERs.

The last 4 presidents:

Bush II: 291
Clinton: 363
Bush I: 165
Reagan: 380

Considering the republicans have vowed to block anything the president tries Obama has shown remarkable restraint in using executive orders.
---NurseRobert on 6/22/12


BREAKING: Just minutes before a vote to hold Eric Holder in contempt of congress, Obama has asserted Executive Privilege to stop Congress from getting documents about the Fast & Furious guns program. How many times has this president used an "executive order" to over-ride the power of congress? I tihnk it's getting too many to count. This monster has to go!
---Jed on 6/22/12


I'll give you a hint.

Judaism was the first persecutor of Christianity. (When Jesus said, "If THEY persecuted me, THEY will also persecute you.", Just who do you think THEY means?)

Jerusalem sits on seven hills.

Judaism's authoritative religious text is the BABYLONIAN TALMUD.

Connect the dots.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/12


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W-bill, as I said Mark E, is correct concerning Babylon the Great as been a mystery. A New Testament mystery is truth hidden. Spiritual Babylon true idenity is yet to be revealed. Thus the precise details of how it will be manifested in the world are not yet known. (v.7) gives us the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her. This is not the mystery that Babylon is a false system of religion, because that has already been known.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/12


No the u.s. is not, in fact quite the opposite! Read the old testament. Remember the Revelation quote "She has fallen, Bavel the great has fallen!" that was taken from Isaiah 21 which is about a prophecy concerning "a coastal desert" duma and Arabia are mentioned in this passage. I don't know how many verses speak about New Babylon in the prophets, and all references are places in Arabia. On any biblical map, you will find these places all within the middle east today. THEY ARE ALL MUSLIM.
---Tim on 5/10/12


It says he will honor a God of war "jihad" not the Gods of his fathers "pagan arabia" in fact, the cresent moon came from ancient babylon by Nebunidus. In islam they have a messiah called Al Mahdi (the enlightened one) he brings a 7 year peace treaty to Jerusalem according to islamic hadiths. In fact, this "moon God" Allah is taken 99 names, some of which are names of satan in the bible. The destroyer, the deceiver etc. The lord of mankind and jinn(demons) in fact, Isaiah 14 calls satan son of the dawn. In the quran sura 113 Allah is called "Lord of the dawn." He's also called the morning star in the same passage of Isaiah 14.
---Tim on 5/10/12


That is also a name for Allah. The mark in revelation 13 in the origional document wasn't even numbers, when the church got ahold of John's document it was a different script than the origional greek.
---Tim on 5/10/12


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W-bill, I have no clue who this guy you mention is. Whether he is a prophet or angel are a demon. I have never heard of him. What I gave you was from Scripture. Babylon is not the US or Mexico or a town in Canada. "Mother of Harlots" represents the greatest false religion. Jeremiah in (3:3) used used this same analogy to picture Israel as a harlot in the spiritual realm, with many lovers, nations (2:18,25) and Idols (2:23-25: 3:2,6-9). Yet the Lord graciously receive Israel or Judah back as His wife if she would repent ( 3:12-14). John, in Revelations uses the same analogy for Harlot.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/12


The miss assesment with those here is that they take Duduman to be a prophet. He never claimed such a title - His initial encounter with the angel happened, but we have to realize, demons can also come in to "add" to someone's experiences and muddle the testimony. The mistake of those here is that they are not seeing the confirming testimony from others, like Henry Gruver and the prophet Jonah Ben Noah, as well as many others at qwakeup
---weatherbill on 5/7/12


W..bill, I agree with Mark E answer. First, the "Babylon" spoken of here is not the historical Babylon which still existed in the day of John. "Mystery" does mean, something still hidden today, but will be reveal in a later time. "The mother of harlots" is all false religion which steamed from Babel. And in John's day, it was customary for "Roman prostitutes" to wear a headband with thier name on it (Jer. 3:3) parading their wretchedness for all to see.
The Harlot's forehead is emblazoned with a 3-fold title descriptive of the world's final false religious system.
---Mark_V. on 5/6/12


There was also a large Jewish community in BABYLON, I meant to say.
---Cluny on 5/5/12
OK that is better

Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there, neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

your thoughts on this prophecy
---francis on 5/5/12


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If we looked at America I see a wicked place. But.......all the world is wicked. May God have mercy on my country.
---Shira4368 on 5/5/12


\\Wait a minute
Is your arguement that there was a large jewish community in Rome?\\

Thank you for calling my attention to my error.

There was also a large Jewish community in BABYLON, I meant to say.

Of course, the worlds oldest continuing diaspora Jewish community is in Rome, I will grant that.

My point is that St. Peter might have been using "Babylon" to mean Babylon, not Rome. But this is not an issue I lose sleep over.

BTW--speaking of diasporae, did you know that Cinco de Mayo is NOT a big holiday in Mexico?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/12


\\Babylon here is a reference to Rome.\\

That can be argued. There was a large Jewish community at Rome.
---Cluny on 5/4/12

Wait a minute
Is your arguement that there was a large jewish community in Rome?

In the spirit of CINCO DE MAYO please make another arguement. In case you are missed it, your arguement that there was a large jewish community s Rome proves that the " jewish / Peter's" reference to babylon here, is a reference to Rome
---francis on 5/4/12


\\Babylon here is a reference to Rome.\\

That can be argued. There was a large Jewish community at Rome.

It was this group of Jews that codified the BABYLONIAN Talmud.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/12


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Dumitru Duduman, Ellen G White, Joseph Smith, John the Baptist, which of these things is not like the other ones?
Luke7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.
Mt11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Questions: What is the meaning of the word "all"?
What is the meaning of the word "until"?
---trey on 5/3/12


I have just checked some of Dumitru Duduman's prohpecies.

His last one said that "perhaps" there would be a great massacre by 1999.

Has there been?

It also said he would not die in the hospital (in 1996) because he had "much work to do.

DD died in 1997.

Draw your own conclusions.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/12


1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, and so doth Marcus my son.

Babylon here is a reference to Rome. It's mixture of false religions / religious confusion

America is not the only nation with a mixture of false religions.

I would not says America is modern day Babylon to the exclusion of other nations
---francis on 5/3/12


\\Yes! The US is indeed Babylon of Rev 18, this by direct from heaven thru Dumitru Duduman's testimony of the angel Gabriel saying th eUS is Rev 18.\\

Mahomet claimed to hear from the Archangel Gabriel, too.

So what?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/12


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StrongAxe, My sincere apologies. And, you're right, we will all see whether what DUDUMAN has declared will come to pass.
---Gordon on 5/3/12


mark, i think that is what craig meant...i think.

but, i agree with you. i think kevin is on track, but i don't agree with capitalism.

with a one world govt, religion, and economic system (we are moving further and further away from capitalism), individual nations and their borders are becoming obsolete. the failure of capitalism will bring "babylon" the mystery to light.
---aka on 5/2/12


I believe Babylon is Babylon.
---CraigA on 5/1/12

The woman in Rev 17 is described as having a name on her forehead:

Rev 17:5 "and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH"

A key phrase is the two words "a mystery". In Biblical terms, a mystery is a truth hidden by God and not yet revealed.

If Babylon was Babylon as you say, why would it need to be described as a mystery?

I prefer to believe that perhaps the mystery of this woman is that she represents the Babylon of the time when the prophesy will be fulfilled.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/2/12


Gordon:

I did not say he was not a prophet. I did not say there are no prophets. If you think I did, please quote my exact words saying that.

I asked what credentials he has - how can WE know he is a prophet? While there may be many legitimate prophets in the church, there are also many false prophets. We cannot just trust what someone predicts without knowing which of these he is. The Old Testament had this same problem, so there were guidelines there that described how one could know whether a prophet was true or false. Unfortunately, we have had many high-visibility Christian "prophets" who have been setting many dates for the End Times, and since we are still here, this proves ALL of them so far have been wrong.
---StrongAxe on 5/2/12


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StrongAxe, Again, you dismiss, or ignore the Written Word of GOD in EPHESIANS 4:11-12 and I CORINTHIANS 14 which state that GOD has holy Prophets in HIS Church today. Within the Church, PERIOD. Just because you personally do not believe it, or can't wrap your head around it, does not mean that it's not true. DUDUMAN may be a false prophet (or he may be a true Prophet of GOD), but, his prophecy is not what you're questioning over all, here. You're doubting that GOD even has Prophets today. Yet, HIS Word declares that HE does.
---Gordon on 5/2/12


weatherbill:

You said: Yes! The US is indeed Babylon of Rev 18, this by direct from heaven thru Dumitru Duduman's testimony of the angel Gabriel saying th eUS is Rev 18. Any religious people who say other wise are speaking from their lack of due diligence and their ignorance. study qwakeup dot org and your eyes will begin to open.

Paul said that if anyone, even an angel, proclaimed a different gospel than he did, he was to be accursed (Galatians 1:8-9). You are claiming almost similar authority for Dumitru Duduman. Where did he get such authority?

He made some prophecies about summer 2012. We will know soon enough whether they come true or not. We saw what happened when Harold Camping made such specific predictions.
---StrongAxe on 5/1/12


I believe Babylon is Babylon.
---CraigA on 5/1/12


Yes! The US is indeed Babylon of Rev 18, this by direct from heaven thru Dumitru Duduman's testimony of the angel Gabriel saying th eUS is Rev 18. Any religious people who say other wise are speaking from their lack of due diligence and their ignorance. study qwakeup dot org and your eyes will begin to open.
---weatherbill on 5/1/12


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No, the USA is not Babylon, but it will continue to have problems and violence until the people repent, and this is why some of our past presidents enacted National Days of Prayer, for they seen the apostacy and consequences for a country that leaves God, and knew that God will not blessed corruption. For you cannot live in sin, and then expect Holy God to wink at it and bless you, he does not bless nor honor evil. God's word is clear, Get right, or perish! No ifs and no ands and no buts.
---Eloy on 5/1/12


I have been believing that America is, at least, A modern Babylon. America definitely fits a literal description of REVELATION 18. Also, it seems the Judgment of JEREMIAH 51 could apply to America. America HAS been blessed by GOD, but, she is not above reproach. There is so much wickedness in America today, such filth, and it's only getting worse. The quote from REVELATION 18:7 "How much she hath GLORIFIED HERSELF, and LIVED DELICIOUSLY,...for she saith in her heart, 'I sit a queen,...and shall see no sorrow." SOUNDS like the way this country brags on itself. As it was with the TITANIC, so could America be!
---Gordon on 5/1/12


capitalism is babylon,babylon is capitalism....
---kevin5443 on 5/1/12


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