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Geocentrism Or Heliocentrism

Geocentrism or Heliocentrism: Which has more scriptural support? (Lets please stay on topic)

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A theist: "Don't use the argument from authority that god spoke creation into existence. How is that at all testable? How did he do it, steps one through...."

Why not? I have a reliable history book that states that God created everything supernaturally. He only used one step:

Psa 33:6,9 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, ... For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

At least I offer an explanation for the origin of matter and the origin of life. What do you offer besides "I dunno"? You consider yourself a mere random accident of an uncaring and undefined set of chemical anomalies. What a vacuuous pedigree!




---jerry6593 on 5/13/12


Nurse: "Warwick do you deny your belief that God created the earth is fact?"

Whose side are you on? It's hard to distinguish whether you're a Christian or an atheist.


---jerry6593 on 5/13/12


Warwick, I did read your answer, and it was just what I suspected. The one thing I've learned from you is you cannot give a simple yes or no response. You twist and turn, evade and dodge so you don't have to back up your responses. It's who you are.
---NurseRobert on 5/13/12


NurseRobert, I think it would be a good idea if you actually read what I have written. What a novel idea for you!

BTW I do not know of anyone who imagines the earth is fixed at the exact centre of the universe with all else rotating about it. Think it through.
---Warwick on 5/12/12


Warwick: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the US space probe COBE (Cosmic Background Experiment) seek to find the location of the center of the Big Bang, but instead found that the residual background is uniform in all directions? And doesn't the Hubble Constant-calculated red shifts show that all stars are receding from earth? Looks like it's the secularists who are trying to prove geocentrism - not the clerics!


---jerry6593 on 5/12/12




Warwick, I have no doubt that the Earth is not the center of the universe. If the Earth revoles arond the sun (a scientific fact), it cannot be the center.

That said, I agree we don't know where the center of the universe is. Based on what scientific knowledge we do have, were not even close to the center of our own galaxy.

Does it matter what Atheist feels the need to believe? He believes what he believes, just as you do.
---NurseRobert on 5/12/12


NurseRobert, atheist claimed, as scientific fact that neither the earth or the sun are at the universe's centre. Eventually he admitted this was belief based upon Hubble space telescope photos.

I believe, at this present time, we cannot prove where the centre of the universe is, by the scienctific method. I wonder why Atheist feels the need to believe what he does about this? As always stated I believe by faith the Bible is truth. Neither atheistic naturalistic long-ages/evolution nor supernatural Biblical creation can be proved by the scientific method so neither can be described as scientific "fact." However I do believe the preponderance of evidence better supports Biblical creation.
---Warwick on 5/11/12


Blah, blah, blah. If you want to be perceived as "scientific", learn to reason from cause to effect.

Don't use the argument from authority that god spoke creation into existence. How is that at all testable? How did he do it, steps one through....
---atheist on 5/11/12


Warwick, do you or do you NOT belief creation, as outlined in the Bible, is fact?

Be a man and give us a straight answer.
---NurseRobert on 5/11/12


Warwick, why is it when
Athiest a statement of fact based on HIS belief you critize him, but when you do the same thing you, of course, are right?

What part of hypocracy don't you understand?
---NurseRobert on 5/11/12




A theist: Blah, blah, blah. If you want to be perceived as "scientific", learn to reason from cause to effect. If you can answer a couple of science questions, without deflecting to more irrelevant doublespeak, then you might be considered objective.

What is the "natural" process that CAUSED life to spring from non-living matter?

What happened to the Precambrian life forms that CAUSED the Cambriam life forms to evolve?

Come on genius ... think cause and effect. What? No plausible theory? Just "I dunno"! Now how scientific is that?


---jerry6593 on 5/11/12


NurseRobert, I still await your answer "What belief do I state as fact?"
---Warwick on 5/11/12


Fallacies of logic and rhetoric:

Argument from "authority". [The bible.]

Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision). [People turn from religion to science.]

Appeal to ignorance. [The claim there are "missing links."]

Special pleading [god's will].

Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased). [Your favorite trick.]

Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses). [The basis of creation "science."]

Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes). [Snelling all the time.]
---atheist on 5/10/12


NurseRobert, which part of faith/belief do you not understand?

What you have written is an oxymoron.
---Warwick on 5/10/12


Atheist I believe you should stop listening to elves and engage with creationists. It is possible you may learn a life-saving technique. Remember that the fathers of science, those who created and used the scientific method which began the scientific/technological revolution were Christians, not atheists-da Vinci, Kepler, Bacon, Pascal, Boyle, Ray, Steno, Petty, Barrow, Hooke, Harvey, Brahe, Copernicus et al. Were they also into "bad science?"
---Warwick on 5/10/12


I also believe in creationists, but admittedly they are harder to believe than elves.
---atheist on 5/10/12


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Warwick do you deny your belief that God created the earth is fact?

If you dont, then where is your proof?
---Nurserobert on 5/10/12


Atheist now you would have us believe the oceans bulge whenever we look at them, no matter where we are! They must bulge straight ahead as we look, to create a 180 degree horizon, and as well, at the same time, bulge left to right conveniently in the middle of my straight-edge, no mater where I hold it!

And you believe in elves? What next?
---Warwick on 5/10/12


NurseRobert it is by faith I believe God is Creator of heaven and earth. I am convinced this is true and the lack of any feasible alternative only serves to reinforce my belief. I have always said I believe by faith. Read Hebrews ch.11. and Romans 1:20. It is faith, but not blind faith.

Some would have us believe their beliefs are scientific fact. If this is so then they should be able to prove this via the scientific method. If they cannot then it is not scientific fact, but belief.

In reality NR I do not need to dance at all because almost nothing you or others have 'challenged' me with is new to me.
---Warwick on 5/10/12


Warwick,

The oceans do bulge. It's called the tidal force. It's caused by the moon which the earth and the sun revolve around. The stars of course do the same. All have minor perturbations in their orbits which moves with you nose which sits in front of the strong force of the densest dark matter collection in the universe. That force makes gravity relatively weak. So when you race your car it cause stars to wobble which can be seen by elves sitting only in the highest trees of Mt. Everest.

This I would have you believe also.
---atheist on 5/9/12


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Warwick, you're dancing again. I hear the taps..

Go back, read my last post then answer the question.
---NurseRobert on 5/9/12


Jed, scientifically speaking I believe you do not know the difference between evidence and proof.
---Warwick on 5/9/12


Atheist, anywhere we should go in the world we can test the roundness of the earth this way. You would have us believe that the straight edge test is not reliable because the oceans "bulge" upwards whenever I hold up the straight-edge. What mighty power I have. I lift up my straight-edge and the waters "bulge" at my command. And further whereever I look out to sea the oceans "bulge" at my command, making it appear ships are appearing over the horizon. Ho Ho! Fairies at the bottom of your garden as well?

The Bible teaches a round earth. The leader of the Flat Earth Society is led by a Virginian man named Daniel Shenton, who believes in evolution.
---Warwick on 5/9/12


NurseRobert, You wrote "The answer is: you can't. You base your beliefs, which you state as fact, on faith. Athiest chooses to do the same thing."

What belief do I state as fact?

I agree that Atheist holds his views regarding the centre of the universe,(and much else) by faith, as you say. But he stated them as fact and I asked him to supply the scientific testable, observable repeatable, test upon which his comments were based. Why should I not ask for this?

I have made it clear I do not believe it can be proved scientifically what is at the 'centre' of the universe. And that I do not think it maters. Where is the dancing here?
---Warwick on 5/9/12


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Warwick, if you can not accept the centuries of scientific observations and evidence as proof, and the fact that virtually every scientific institution on the planet concurs, then I guess you do not believe in proof at all. If you can't accept the evidence as proof, then even holding something in your hand would not be considered proof of it's existence to you. You are correct that scientists don't know what is at the center of the universe, but they DO know somethings that are certainly NOT at the center, and two of those things are the earth and the sun, that has been PROVEN.
---Jed on 5/9/12


Warwick,

That one I heard in the third grade. It is inferred by that observation that the world is round. It is not proof. Perhaps there is a bulge in the waters that ships near the horizon sail over that god makes each time? Perhaps the sailors go nowhere, but fall off the earth in a dream state, and they are returned to the flat earth after their dreaming.

Perhaps rats spontaneously generate from piles of rags.
---atheist on 5/9/12


Warwick, you dance better than Fred Astaire.

Its a simple question. Why is it so hard for you to say yes, no or I don't know. Instead you make a strawman and "challenged Atheist to give scientific proof for his view."

So, let me challenge you.. "What observable, testable, repeatable scientific experiment can you propose, or refer to, to back up your belief" that God created the Heavens and the earth?

The answer is: you can't. You base your beliefs, which you state as fact, on faith. Athiest chooses to do the same thing.
---NurseRobert on 5/9/12


the center of any and all creation is Elohim.
---aka on 5/9/12


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Atheist, a clue for me is that Scriptures written thousands of years ago say the world is a sphere, and hangs in space upon nothing. How did they know that?

Surely it doesn't take much imagination or knowledge to come up with an experiment to demonstrate the world is round. Go to the seaside near a port and watch the ships appear over the horizon. Where are they coming from? Take a straight edge and hold it up placing the middle of the bottom edge on the horizon and you will notice the horizon falls below the straight-edge at both ends. These two things show the earth is a sphere. Using such a testable, observabale, repeatable method how can we prove the earth, the sun or your socks are/are not at the centre of the universe?
---Warwick on 5/9/12


Warwick,

I also believe that the world is real and I am not in some matrix like dream.

I also believed the earth was round, before there were satellite pictures from space to confirm it. Off hand I cannot think of an experiment that proves without the photos that the earth is round. Maybe some mathematical hocus pocus about shadow lengths here and there, but that's just inference isn't it?

And I still stand by the fact, that philosophically, I believe that your nose could be the center of the universe, especially if your temper causes you head to explode resulting in the next big bang.
---atheist on 5/8/12


Jed, such emotive language! You say I "attacked" Atheist who had "made a factual, scientific claim..." In the real world I asked "What observable, testable, repeatable scientific experiment can you propose, or refer to, to back up your belief?" I see no "attack" there at all! Atheist eventually replied "I believe, based on a lot of Hubble pictures, that neither the sun nor the earth are the center of the universe." He has expressed his belief based upon the interpretation of photos, not the results of testable, observable, repeatable scientific testing. I have no problem with him holding a belief, of course, but I do object to belief being sold as scientifically proven fact.
---Warwick on 5/8/12


NurseRobert, you are somewhat like Jed but less emotive. I will state my position once again just for you:

1) From my reading and discussions with scientists I understand it cannot be scientifically proved what, if anything, is at universe's centre. Maybe one day the science will exist to do so, but not yet.

2) I do not see that it matters whether the earth or the sun or McDonalds is at the centre of the universe.

3) I believe the word "centre", when applied to such a massive thing as the universe, surely does not refer to some pin-sized pivotal celestial point about which everything revolves. Would a million Km. in any direction make any difference to something being "at the centre?"
---Warwick on 5/8/12


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Warwick, it is important because you just publically attacked someone who made a factual, scientific claim that neither geocentrism or heliocentrism are accurate, which can and has been scientifically verified.
Geocentrism and heliocentrism is the belief that everything revolves around the earth or sun, which science has proven to be false. You have no basis for your attack on this factual statement. You were obviously just trying to be malicious and argumentative.
---Jed on 5/8/12


As a Christian why should I not challenge his antiChristian claims? --Warwick on 5/7/12

Are you staying the statement about the earth not being the center is antiChristian? You still haven't given us YOUR opinion on the topic.

Personally, I do NOT believe the Earth is the center of the universe. How can we be the center when WE revolve around the sun.

I'm going back to my statement. You would rather just argue with Athiest.
---NurseRobert on 5/8/12


Jed your ignorant rudeness is unappealing. I am not offended by it as I have raised children.

I do not know of anyone who believes any body in space is at the exact, pivotal, to the millimetre, centre of the universe. But considering the relatively tiny distance certain bodies move, in relation to the incomprehensible distances in the universe, some may consider them to be at the centre.

Why does this matter so much to you? That the Creator God considers us so important that He took upon flesh and died in our place is enough for me. We are at the centre of His love.
---Warwick on 5/7/12


I do not believe anyone thinks the earth or the sun is fixed at the very centre of the universe. Maybe some do however I have not heard them say so.
---Warwick on 5/7/12

Umm, duh! That's exactly what I'm saying! The fact that both the earth and sun are revolving around bigger objects is proof that they are not the center. You seem to be ignorant in the areas of physics and astronomy. The center of the universe is the center of all gravitational mass. Which is why everything would revolve around the center. The fact that we KNOW the earth and the sun are not in a fixed location means we are not the center.
---Jed on 5/7/12


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NurseRobert, Atheist has a habit of making unsubstainiated claims regarding what he considers fact. I have often asked (not demanded) him to give proof of these so-called facts of his. But as usual he has no facts. As a Christian why should I not challenge his antiChristian claims?

If you have read what I have written over time you will see I am never backward in coming forward in stating what I believe to be true. However as I understand it there is no way we can prove the earth is or isn't at the centre of the universe. I have read articles which give evidence that it is so but they have no conclusive proof.
---Warwick on 5/7/12


Jed, what we "know" is a moving target, as it constantly changes as new evidence contradicts previous views. Read a 50 year old text book and much of what they 'knew' is now rejected.

What you seem to be saying is that as the various bodies in the universe move nothing is in a fixed central position. This is good reasoning. However I do not believe anyone thinks the earth or the sun is fixed at the very centre of the universe. Maybe some do however I have not heard them say so.
---Warwick on 5/7/12


Such an amazing Blog.

Warwick, what do YOU believe? It seems that you are just being contentious. Athiest states a claim - fact if you will - and you demand proof. Sorry but 125 words is not enough to explain the universe.

Me thinks you would rather argue with Atheist instead of stating your side.

Childish...
---NurseRobert on 5/7/12


Warwick, the point all other things in the universe revolve around. You see, everything in the universe is revolving around a central point: moons revolve around planets, planets revolve around stars, millions of stars in rotation make up a galaxy, and all galaxies are also revolving around a central point. What is beyond that, we don't know. But we already know that the earth is moving around the sun, so it's not the center. And we know our solar system is also revolving around our galaxy, so the sun isn't the center either. And we know that our galaxy is also moving, so our galaxy isn't even in the center. But we do know in which direction that center point is.
---Jed on 5/6/12


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Atheist I suppose they would be good for striped coats?

I think you would look fine in a striped goat coat.
---Warwick on 5/6/12


I believe the universe is finite, but that you can always add one more....,)
---atheist on 5/6/12


Genesis 30:37-39 Jacob bred striped goats.
---atheist on 5/6/12


Cluny I tend to agree, imagining the universe must be a finite entity. But as I understand it whether it is infinite or finite, currently cannot be proved by the scientific method.

I have asked both Atheist and the tempestuous Jed whether they believe it is finite or infinite, and why, but no answer. Until we know which they believe how can we understand what they mean by their claim regarding the earth or the sun not being at the centre of the universe?

Let me say once again I do not know what is at the 'centre' of the universe and do not know if it matters.

I also wonder about Atheist's "goat-herders." What sort of goats did they herd?
---Warwick on 5/5/12


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\\From my reading there is no scientific agreement regarding whether the universe is finite or infinite.\\

One time (don't remember when), I heard, "finite, but unbounded."

From the Christian perspective, only God is infinite.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/12


Atheist, thank you for the explanation. However your explanation does not include proof of what you believe. But that bothers me not.

From my reading there is no scientific agreement regarding whether the universe is finite or infinite. Therefore until one or the other has been proved by the scientific method we obviously cannot know where the centre is.

I wonder if it really matters?

I did read a scientific article which says it appears the universe is moving away from the earth, as a centre point, in every direction. This would appear to show the earth is at or near to the centre. But the writer did not offer this as conclusive proof for the reason that this cannot be tested by the scientific method.
---Warwick on 5/5/12


This is a scientific matter, not a spiritual or Biblical one.

As far as the solar system goes, it seems to be heliocentrism.

But I don't know ANYBODY who claims that the universe is centered around Sol.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/12


I think that a geometric center is mathematical and can be arbitrary.

I think the Bible was written by some ancient goat-herders and to them the earth was probably the center of all things, and that there was only one earth that their god attended to.

I think, given recent discoveries, like the last 200 years, the religious better catch up---if there is a god the "universe" has gotten much bigger. There is probably more life out there than anyone ever imagined, and if there is a god, a god to go with it.........
---atheist on 5/5/12


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Jed, Atheist, Warwick: I'll see if you agree....

I do not read Rev 1,2 as indicating that the earth or the sun NEEDS to be the center.

I take it that when God showed to Moses how He created THIS earth because it is the ONE we live on.

But I don't think it necessarily means it is the center

Do you think that is possible?
---Peter on 5/4/12


Warwick and Jed: Here, Jed, you put an important thing that may lead us to get more annoyed with each other than we should...

Sometimes we do indeed not have the time to explain everything (the basis for why we believe something, or whether this belief is firm or, at least in my case, it may just be my current opinion, which you may simply show me is un-Biblical).

But too often we don't have the space. Maybe we can also list our logged-on names, and send more detailed explanations that way?
---Peter on 5/4/12


For crying out loud Warwick! Do you hear yourself? You actually think the earth is the center of the universe? These blogs do not allow enough space to explain to you or even entertain this non-sense. Stating that neither the earth nor the sun are the center of the universe is not contradictory to the Bible. The Bible doesn't support either geocentrism or heliocentrism. Obviously people had limited understanding of the universe at that time. As I already stated, phrases like "setting of the sun" and terms like "sun-set" and "sun-rise" are EXPRESSIONS. They are still used today in the 21st century even though we know the sun never actually rises or sets.
---Jed on 5/4/12


We must remember that the Bible is written for THIS world, and so it speaks of what is important for THIS world.

God may have done other great things in other worlds too, and so we do not need to consider that God considers only our world.

Now of course that may sound strange related to Rev 1,2. But it is POSSIBLE that each day that God made things on earth, He could also have doing the same on other of His world - he told Moses what he did on THIS world, because it is where we live.

It does not (I think) mean that He was not doing thiings on other worlds too

Maybe, only an idea
---Peter on 5/4/12


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Warwick,

Fine. I believe, based on a lot of Hubble pictures, that neither the sun nor the earth are the center of the universe. I believe that making either is impractical and rather silly. I believe that if you want to believe that either is the center of the universe that you are being silly. I believe that since we will never see a picture of the entire universe it really doesn't matter and without such a picture no amount of evidence will satisfy you. I believe that anything could be used as a center from which to measure everything else. I believe that your nose could therefore be the center of the universe. I believe this is the stupidest conversation I have ever had.
---atheist on 5/4/12


Jed, once again I point out Atheist made a claim, as fact, without supporting proof. As Peter says it is quite correct to ask for such proof. I asked Atheist to support his claim with the results of testable, observable, repeatable experimentation. If He cannot do so then he cannot claim his comments are fact, just belief.

I have always noticed Atheist ridicules any who accept the Bible and continually makes claims he cannot support.

That clouds are not made of rock can be tested by the testable, observable, repeatable scientific method. Not a good example for you to use.

Jed, is the universe boundless or finite? And why do you have such passionate desire to show the earth is not the centre of the universe?
---Warwick on 5/4/12


Jed: 'Making a challenge without scientific proof is as invalid as making a claim without scientific proof.'

No, it is not!

You may make a challenge either due to insufficient evidence provided, or due to common sense, or because that statement made is known (to the person making the challenge) to have been challenged in the past

No, it is not the same
---Peter on 5/4/12


Warwick, on what basis do you challenge his claim? Making a challenge without scientific proof is as invalid as making a claim without scientific proof. Although his claim that neither the earth nor sun are the center of the universe has been proven for centuries. Obviously there is not enough space on this blog to list all the evidence. That's like saying show me the proof that clouds aren't made of rock. Everone knows they aren't because it has been proven for so long. If you really have to be shown the proof that the earth and sun are not the center of the universe then you are seriously disconnected from reality or just want to argue for no reason when you know it is true.
---Jed on 5/4/12


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If you treat the question as the centroid of a polygon, with the stars as points of the polygon, then it will all depend on what your set of stars.

On the other hand, you could use the point of origin of the Big Bang. (Which might provide the same result.)
---atheist on 5/4/12


Jed, get a grip boy! I have not said what I believe but have challenged Atheist to give scientific proof for his view. He won't because he can't but his lack of proof never changes his thinking. He has a religious belief based upon nothing but ignorant contempt for those who believe the Bible.

May I ask you a question: does the universe have a boundary or is it limitless?
---Warwick on 5/4/12


Neither the sun nor the earth is the center of this universe or any other.

If the universe has a limit (probably it does, I guess), then there must be some center - though it is different if you go spatially or according to the center of mass.
---Jennifer on 5/3/12


StrongAxe: 'all reference frames are equally valid,'

That is true, but I took Geo/Helicentrism as taking it as which corresponds best to the frame which has the least motion when used - like we use the earth, not our finger, as the normal frame - because using our finger causes unpredictable motion, while we can reference everything else on earth to the earth, and removes 'unpredictable motion'
---Peter on 5/3/12


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Warwick, you've got be kidding! Are you seriously trying to debate the fact that neither the earth nor the sun are the center of the universe? That actually is a fact, not opinion. It has already been proven by centuries of astonomical and physical studies and has been accepted by every scientific establishment on the planet today. The sun is not even the center of our galaxy, let alone the universe! If you really think that the sun or earth are the center of the universe you are out of your mind and have worse issues to worry about than geocentrism and heliocentrism.
---Jed on 5/3/12


Atheist: 'The earth being the center of a physical universe is nonsensical.'

Not quite so fast.

1) If the universe is infinite (which I don't think) then it has no center, and anything can be taken to be the center)

2) If God made it, He can have put anything in the center, even the earth - after all He did come down and live here, and it may be from Jesus life on earth that God will redeem life on other worlds (you can read Our of the Silent Planet - C.S.Lewis - it's a lovely story)

3) If we are to take the Big Bang theory, we can probably find where the Bang was (if you believe it) and call that point the center
---Peter on 5/3/12


Atheist it was you who claimed the earth is not the centre of the universe. I did not say it is. I asked you upon what testable, observable, repeatable science you make this claim. As you have (as usual) ducked and weaved to avoid giving an answer, I deduce you have no answer to give. But you can prove me wrong by supplying an appropriate answer.
---Warwick on 5/3/12


Strongeaxe,

The term, used in that manner, is of course completely relative. I agree.

Warwick,

The earth being the center of a physical universe is nonsensical. That is a fact. The earth being the center of your personal, philosophical, or spiritual universe is egocentric, even though there are others who believe the same as you.
---atheist on 5/3/12


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atheist:

According to Relativity, all reference frames are equally valid, the idea that "the center of the universe is point X" is more valid than "the center of the universe is point Y" is totally meaningless, and unprovable.

On the other hand, it's also true that celestial mechanics are much more easily explained by assuming that the moon moves around the earth, the earth moves around the sun, the sun moves around the galaxy, etc. If one assumes the sun moves around the earth, one must invoke much more complicated kludges such as epicycles, weirdly accelerated frames, etc. to explain even simple celestial motions.
---StrongAxe on 5/3/12


No Atheist you claim "Neither the sun nor the earth is the center of this universe or any other." You are the one making the claim, not me, so it is you who should answer the question.

If you are prepared to say you believe this to be so then I accept that. Until then I await an answer.
---Warwick on 5/3/12


Warwick,

The question is: What observable, testable, repeatable scientific experiment can you propose, or refer to, to back up your belief that the sun, the earth, the moon, or your nose is not the center of the universe?

See Edwin Hubble....
---atheist on 5/2/12


Atheist you are as entitled to have an opinion as anyone else. However you do not make your statement as an opinion but as fact. The question is: What observable, testable, repeatable scientific experiment can you propose, or refer to, to back up your belief?
---Warwick on 5/2/12


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Neither the sun nor the earth is the center of this universe or any other.
---atheist on 5/2/12


Joshua said "sun stand still." Awesome book by Steven Furtick. Anyway, God can give us gifts and blessings to do his work even if we do not get all the details right.
---Scott1 on 5/2/12


Atheist actually has made a very valid point. Both Geocentrism and Heliocentrism are wrong. Neither the Earth nor the Sun are the center of the universe. The Sun is just the center of our solar system which is just a very very tiny part of the ever expanding universe, hardly the center of the universe. The Bible doesn't adress or support either. Terms like "sun-set" and "sun-rise" or "setting of the sun" are common expressions that are even used today in the 21st century, even though we know that the sun really never rises or sets.
---Jed on 5/2/12


CraigA, "aether" (with this spelling) is NOT a term used in modern science.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/12


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Good point on number 3, Scott.

As one bishop said at the time of Galileo, "The Bible does not tell us how the heavens go, but how to go to Heaven."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/12


Atheist, what do you mean?

Scott, the Bible is full of science. Science is not evil. Evil hearts that try to use science to combat the truth of Gods scripture make science appear evil.

Have you ever seen the similarites between what Genesis calls the "firmanent" and what many scientists believe to be the "aether"? (Gen 1:6-8, 14)
---CraigA on 5/1/12


1) you are trying to make a religious book into a scientific book which is totally not scriptural. Do not take the Lord's name in vain (misuse).
2) the reason people like the geocentric view of the earth is it makes us feel important and thus prideful Which is not biblical. (Pick a verse)
3) Acts says "go unto the ends of the earth." We obviously know that the earth is a sphere and thus there is no ends so the verse above is not about the shape of the earth but more as a command to go. The Bible was written in knowledge and culture of the time by men using the HS.
---Scott1 on 5/1/12


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