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kathr said about 1John1: "directed to US concerning those who deny Jesus came in the flesh,...."
I don't understand what your trying to say here.

1John1:2-4 "BEAR WITNESS, and SHEW unto you that eternal life"..."that ye ALSO MAY have fellowship".
Clearly it's declaring eternal life to non-believers

What 'sin' is 1John1:8 referring to if you claim it speaks to Christians?
And what of 1John3:6-9, Christians "cannot sin" and people who sin are "of the devil".
Also, if Jesus set us free from sin (John8:36, Rom 6:7) why then contradict scripture saying we're still in sin?
Remember only PAST sins were forgiven (Rom 3:25), so in Christ we do not sin.
---Haz27 on 5/7/12


Nana thank you,you are always an encourager,bless you.
---Darlene_1 on 5/7/12


Linda, you said,

"Mark, once again, the flesh cannot be made subject to the Spirit"

The flesh is continually been change by the Spirit all through the believers life. That is called sanctification. The Spirit is changing us to be more Christ like everyday. Those are the fruits of the Spirit. Why can you not see this? That is really the question. Kathr, says we crucified the flesh but it is very much there. It is a battle that goes on in our minds and hearts, but we are not slaved to sin anymore, we have been set free.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/12


---duane on 5/7/12


In initial salvation our faith in Christ we are JUSTIFIED by His Blood, correct.

NOW confession of SIN cleanses us from unrighteousness also by his BLOOD. That's why He can call it faithful and just.

It's because we have first been justified by His BLOOD that we are continually CLEANSED by His Blood.

The BLOOD is also very involved in our sanctification.

Hebrews 13:12
Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.




AND 1 Peter 1:2

It's the BLOOD of the Covenant! Do you understand all that is involved in teh Covenant?
---kathr4453 on 5/7/12


"CraigA...you like so many others use those pieces of scripture out of contex."

...

Please study some."
---JIM on 5/7/12

Those statements sum it up for the stance of Haz, Jim and duane. Somehow they see themselves as standing on a higher
pulpit, of their imagination of course, since they have failed to validate any of their presumtions.
---Nana on 5/7/12




I agree with Jim...This idea that we need to confess to be cleansed of sin is wrong.
Its all in the blood. Anyone can confess sin and be sorry for it but that wont get rid of it, for the dirt will remain. We need Jesus.
---duane on 5/7/12


It was directed to the gnostics and false teachers in that time. Please study some.
---JIM on 5/7/12


Wrong Jim, it was directed to US concerning those who deny Jesus came in the flesh, and is warning US they are anti-christ.

No one can even Understand 1st 2nd and 3rd John unless you are saved.

YOU KNOW YOU have passed from death to Life.....is not directed to the unsaved.

John the apostle of Jesus and witness of His resurrection is saying THEY touched and handled the WORD of Life.

"WE don't know what WE will be but WE know WE will be like HIM for WE shall see him as He is"...is not directed to the unsaved Gnostic's.


---kathr4453 on 5/7/12


CraigA...you like so many others use those pieces of scripture out of contex. That does not pertain to believers.Why do you think
John goes into great detail about seeing Jesus, touching Jesus, walking with Jesus in v1,2,3. Believers know this. It was directed to the gnostics and false teachers in that time. Please study some.
---JIM on 5/7/12


Haz27 Thank you for the verses. You are mistaken about how I see sin,my view of sin is formed and guided by the Word of God and it isn't just bad behavior. Sin is anything not of faith. It is also anything which doesn't adhere to the Law of Love. Sin can also be that of thoughts or feelings. 1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sins,we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. Luke 17:3 If yout brother sins rebuke him,and if he repents forgive him.James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins. If I am wrong I had rather be wrong asking for forgiveness again and again than thinking I don't have to ask. Whatever sin we did as sinners,it is still a sin and worse for Christians. Christians are not exempt from asking God for forgiveness.
---Darlene_1 on 5/7/12


kathr: 1John1:9 is speaking to those in unbelief and not to Christians.

It is possible for Christians fall away. Heb 6:1-6, 2Pet2:20-22.
We have to "lay aside every weight and the sin which doth so easily beset us" Heb 12:1. So Christians can still be tempted into sin (going under the law thus becoming a transgressor/sinner which is unbelief). James 1:14,15 explains further.

But Christians are NOT in the flesh (Rom 7:5, Rom 8:9) if we continue to believe on Jesus.
---Haz27 on 5/7/12




Oh here we go again taking Deut 29:2-4 totally out of context.

What can anyone possibly do to get through to MarkV that that verse does not say, God to this very day has not given them a heart to hear or perceive. It say He did THAT DAY.

Deut 29:29 says God absolutely gave them a heart to not only receive but to OBEY!

So Jim, am I to understand YOU are sinless?

I know JW's believe this, but WOW, John was writing to those who were already saved.

John uses the word SIN.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/12


I assure you JIM, that we do still sin. Our iniquity just isnt counted against us because its penalty has been paid. However, that doesnt mean we want to live a life contrary to God and grieve his Spirit. From experience I know that He will not allow you to be happy in doing that! That is why we confess our sins and ask for cleansing of it. I dont know about anyone else but I HATE not hearing the Lords voice because I have sin in my life.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
---CraigA on 5/7/12


Kathr..forgive me for sticking my nose in, but what you say here..."So, if WE, WE here meaning Christians CONFESS OUR SIN, He is faithful and just to FORGIVE OUR SIN and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Wrong....the sin issue was taken care at the cross.
see Col.2:13-14
---JIM on 5/7/12


Mark, once again, the flesh cannot be made subject to the Spirit. They are in opposition to one another (Gal 5:17). The flesh is evil. There is nothing good in it (Romans 7:18). The answer you gave was invalid and I think you know it but are avoiding the correct answer.
---LindaH on 5/7/12


duane/Haz27, look at Galatians,falling from Grace. Having BEGUN in the Spirit, they went back and tried to sanctify themselves by Law that only affects the flesh.

Is going back under the Law as a Born Again New Creature making GRACE of no effect or voiding it out SIN???

Can a Christian still living in the flesh, as was those in Corinth, walking in the flesh, (NO SUPERNATURAL LOVE HERE FLOWING THROUGH) Sin?

And are you saying it's Impossible for a Born Again Christian to fall from GRACE or walk occasionally in the flesh?

So, if WE, WE here meaning Christians CONFESS OUR SIN, He is faithful and just to FORGIVE OUR SIN and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

God calls it SIN....sorry!
---kathr4453 on 5/7/12


Kathr, your heart has not been changed. You say,

"The CROSS and our identification with Christ says we died with Christ. What part of WE don't you get?"

Your unredeemed flesh, that you walk on earth with, the one flesh that will die. The one flesh that permits you to speaks lies. The one flesh we are warned not walk on.

"Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, "the redemption of our body" (Romans 8:23).

You read the word but do not understand. You did not believe in (Deut. 29:2-4)
"Yet God has not given you a heart to perceive to this very day"
---Mark_V. on 5/7/12


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Linda, you ask me a question, I answered you kindly. You asked,
""I'm curious, Mark. Which part of the man must cooperate with the Spirit?
I told you if you didn't know, then something was wrong. Yet you knew, because you answered with a great passage (Gal. 5:16,17). you should have given that answer to Kathr. for she said,
"Those who are now Christ's have crucified the flesh, that is our old Adam SO THAT one can bear fruit. Galatians 5:21-25."
If the flesh is crucified why does the passage say,
"I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh"
This are believers whom many still walked in the flesh. The flesh had not died, it is very much alive.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/12


Mark, rather than insult you as you have done me, please allow me to show you the err of your reasoning.

The flesh will never cooperate with the Spirit. They are contrary to one another (Gal 5:17).

There is something in a man that succumbs to either his own sinful flesh or the Spirit of Christ. What is it?
---LindaH on 5/6/12


Kathr,
It does matter what we do. If we do wrong to our neighbor we do wrong to our lord. We live through love. We live through faith.
Sin is not imputed but if we dont love and dont live as the Spirit guides, we are not HIS and have never received life.
The amount or lack of sin in our lives will never save us. Its our love and faith in HIM.
---duane on 5/6/12


kathr4453: No one is saying "it doesn't matter what we do after salvation."

Like I said in previous posts, Christians will not profit from doing wrong. God disciplines us. King David's adultery and murder an example.

No doubt we've all seen the doctrines being pushed on CN by some for righteousness being judged by works. According to these doctrines King David is lost because of his adultery/murder. And the high rate of divorce and re-marriage these days, would also have these people as lost too. In fact all would be lost as to offend in one point of the law you are guilty of all of it, James 2:10.

Thank God our righteousness is in Christ instead.
---Haz27 on 5/6/12


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LindaH, I see now markv is telling you how evil you are for questioning him. Join the club.

MarkV, the BLOOD washed away our sin, but it did not wash away our OLD MAN ADAM. That is the purpose of the cross. The CROSS and our identification with Christ says we died with Christ. What part of WE don't you get?

WE here is our old Adam, so that the power of SIN has no power over us.

If God re-birthed your old man Adam, on what grounds did He do that since in Adam all die...PERIOD!

Nothing about in God's magic wand will He pick and choose anyone to be re-birthed apart from our faith in Christ FIRST.

And Christ Himself never re-birthed our old man either. He crucified it!
---kathr4453 on 5/6/12


Ginger, Selfish people do not want to surrender up their personal life in order to have God and his life. God is clear, "Leave everything and come be with me", but the selfish reply to this is, "No, I'm a good person. I can keep my self and keep my own life, and have you too. I'll just give you an hour of MY time every Sunday and also 10% of MY money, then we will be good with each other." The Lord says, "O' sinner, I did not give just 10% of my life on the cross for you. Know you not that whatsoever of your life that you hold to yourself separates you from me? But that what you release you will save onto life eternal? Repent therefore, and receive you the joy of the Lord."
---Eloy on 5/6/12


Ginger, after you said I was so wrong and then you tell Kathr'

"We must pray for God to remove the scales from their eyes.".
You earliar said, everyone sees, everyone hears, now you want God to remove the scales? Make up your mind.

Second, you believe in free will, just like Kathr. That God cannot do anything unless people let Him. He is helpless without man giving Him permission. Why pray for God to remove the scales when He cannot do anything? Both of you are hypocrites''Stand for the Truth, I do.
Look, "I pray that God takes away the scales from your eyes, because I believe God can do it, if He so wills to."
---Mark_V. on 5/6/12


I hate to say it Haz27 and Duane, but your teaching hinges on the Gnostic edge of things too. The Gnostic's also taught that what they did after salvation didn't matter. That anything in the flesh didn't matter?

Please don't tell us it doesn't matter what we do after salvation.

I went to a very liberal church once right after I was saved. It only took 2 Sundays to see after hearing the pastor say. Grace means you can do anything you want!

Well they did, and there was so much sin in that church, affairs etc, that no other Church was allowed to fellowship with them.

There are those who turn the Grace of God into Lasciviousness. Don't be fooled.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/12


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Linda, you ask,
"I'm curious, Mark. Which part of the man must cooperate with the Spirit?
---LindaH on 5/4/12"


Linda, if you don't know then there is something wrong with you. your flesh, the one you walk around with, the one which has not been redeemed. You are still alive are you not? The spirit in us has no sin, but you sure do, for everyday you sin. Just because Christ lives in you, you are far from been sinless. Your desire should be to take up your cross and walk with Christ. But that desire is not always with you since i see it everyday when you answer. Ask a better question.
Your sins might be forgiven, but that does not mean you do not sin. I'm a witness to that.
---Mark_V. on 5/6/12


Darlene 1: Just a point to say we both define 'sin' differently. You see sin as bad behaviors whereas I define sin according to scripture. Try using God's definitions of sin to understand His word.
Examples of defintions God gives us for sin:

1:Unbelief in Jesus,John 16:9
We believe on Jesus, so here we don't sin.

2:Unrighteousness, 1John5:17. We're righteous in Christ, so no sin.

3:Transgression of the law, 1John3:4. We are not under the law, so no sin (Rom 4:15)

4:Blasphemy of Holy Spirit, Mark 3:29. Christians don't blaspheme.

---Haz27 on 5/5/12


"Be self controlled and alert. Your enemy the Devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him,standing firm in the faith,-. Luke 10:19-overcome all the power of the enemy(devil)."
---Darlene_1 on 5/5/12

Good and Godly advice thanks!
---Nana on 5/5/12


Nana I must correct what I said about not hearing such doctrine before,I just didn't recognize it. Its different some but equals to the same end those here say we never sin and are forgiven forever with the one repentance but the "Once Saved Always Saved" doctrine of Baptist Denomination says they can sin and its not against them. My Brother-in-law said he was always saved,I said even if you murder someone and he said yes,no more repentance here either. Satans job is to try to seduce God's people away from God 1 Peter 5:8 Be self controlled and alert. Your enemy the Devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him,standing firm in the faith,-. Luke 10:19-overcome all the power of the enemy(devil).
---Darlene_1 on 5/5/12


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AMEN KATH!!!!
Those who follow that false doctrine, MarkV, Christan and RICHARD..
They don't like to read a little further down and get what the Bible is really talking about.

They only like to cherry pick to "prove" their doctrine.
They don't realize what Christ was talking about when he said "Pick up your cross and follow me".
They don't realize that when we are truly followers of Christ, we have to crucify our flesh (NOT walk after our fleshly wants and needs and desires) And Come alive in the Spirit( Do what Christ did, fruits of the Spirit).
It is really ashame their doctrine wont let them see, or hear yet they accuse us.
We must pray for God to remove the scales from their eyes.
---ginger on 5/5/12


RICHARDC, People are not mindless robots, for since the beginning all souls are given freewill to choose Christ. Else God would be an evil sinner for condemning any soul to hell for their sins, if they had no choice in whether to do good or to do sin. As far as "choosing", Christ says, CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE! And when he called the 12 disciples he said, Come follow me, and I will make you fisher's of men. But the choice is left up to each person to say Yes Lord I will follow you, Yes Lord I will obey you, Yes Lord O' yes. Or else, No Lord let me bury my family first, No Lord for I cannot leave my many possessions, No Lor O' no. And thus, there is a heaven, and there is a hell awaiting each soul according to their choice.
---Eloy on 5/5/12


John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

You must be TAUGHT the Gospel FIRST before coming to the TRUE CHRIST who tells us that only those who place their faith in the TRUE CHRIST bear FRUIT.

Those who are now Christ's have crucified the flesh, that is our old Adam SO THAT one can bear fruit. Galatians 5:21-25.

RICHARD was your old Adam re-birthed or crucified with Christ? NO CROSS NO FRUIT.

ONLY those who are crucified with Christ will be raised up in the last day!
---kathr4453 on 5/5/12


ELROY 5/4/12 - Do not come to him and Reject Him ? -

JOHN 6:44 - NO man can come to me except the father which has sent me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

JOHN 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall man pluck them out of my hand.

JOHN 15:18 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatsoever ye shall ask of the father in my name, he may give it you.
---RICHARDC on 5/5/12


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We have to cooperate with the Spirit, what's called, walking in the Spirit.---MarkV

Cooperation in predestination?

If only Kathr were here to see this...

I'm curious, Mark. Which part of the man must cooperate with the Spirit?
---LindaH on 5/4/12

Oh she's here now!!

Good question.!
---kathr4453 on 5/5/12


Some folks seem to find it hard to believe scripture that says Christ took away ALL sin. They wake up every day believing that they are still sinners and not saints. Such a sad way to go through life.
---JIM on 5/5/12


Eloy,
While we were yet enemies/sinners we were reconciled to God through Christ,our sins not imputed against us. It was not after repentance or anything good we did. It was all Gods doing. Now all we have to do is receive HIS reconciliation and be at peace.
Having to turn from sinning to receive forgiveness is not Gospel. We need the Blood and the Life.
---duane on 5/5/12


Haz, you said,

"You fail to understand that repentance is ONCE ONLY as shown in Heb 6:6. If you fall away after that there is no 2nd repentance as that would be crucifying Christ again and put him to an open shame."

The lost do not repent. They need to be made alive to Christ, in order for them to see their sin and repent. Only believers repent. It should be the desire of every believer to repent every day because every day they sin every day. You do not believe this because you believe you do not sin, so sinless. That is why I said you had a big problem. If you have no desire to ask God to forgive you for sinning, there is something really wrong with your theology.
Remember ( 1 John 1:8-10-2:1,2)?
---Mark_V. on 5/5/12


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Darlene 1 and CraigA. I suggest reading my previous posts and do a word study to help you understand.

Consider Rom 3:25
"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to decalre his righteousness for the remission of sins PAST"

As it's ONLY our PAST sins that were forgiven, what scriptural basis do you have for saying that as Christians you are still repenting of daily sins?
Christians cannot sin (1John3:9).
Anyone who does sin is a servant of sin (John8:34) and of the devil (1John3:9).

Jesus set us free from sin (John8:36, Rom 6:7). There is only ONE repentance of dead works (Heb 6:1-6). now we cannot sin (1john3:9, 1Pet 4:1) Believe God when He says this.
---Haz27 on 5/4/12


duane, Read the Bible. Christ reconciled only "To those whom come to him", and we know that there are those whom Do Not come to him, but instead they come to sin: and therefore Christ has an eternal Lake of Fire and Brimstone for all those whom do not come to him, but reject him. When Christ destroyed the world with a flood in Noah's Day, did he save the whole world? No. Read the Bible: "As it was in Noah's Day so will it be at the coming of the Lord, Two will be grinding at the mill, one will be taken to heaven and the other left: to in the field, one taken and the other left: two laying in the bed, the one taken and the other left: two hanging on the cross, the one was taken and the other left. Please read the Bible.
---Eloy on 5/4/12


God reconciled the world to Himself through Christ, NOT COUNTING mens sins AGAINST them...This should answer all questions on what Christ did for us.
---duane on 5/4/12


We have to cooperate with the Spirit, what's called, walking in the Spirit.---MarkV

Cooperation in predestination?

If only Kathr were here to see this...

I'm curious, Mark. Which part of the man must cooperate with the Spirit?
---LindaH on 5/4/12


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I think Heb 6:6 is talking about believing in Jesus Christ, and being made partakers of his Spirit, and then falling away from the Christian faith to some false god. I haven't known a true born again Christian that changed religions and then desired to come back to Christ.

The parable of the prodigal son seems to support restoral after backsliding into sin and then repenting. I guess theres a boundary of sorts where God draws the line. Lets pray we never cross it.
---CraigA on 5/4/12


Nana thank for your kind words. I have never heard such a view of the Bible in my 62 years of being a commited Christian and attending many,many Bible studies,preachings,and teaching. To Jim,I don't repent out of fear,I repent out of love for God,of wanting to please my Master,and be clean before him every day of my life. Jim I don't question the Bible I just live by it and study to show myself approved of God. 2 Timothy 2:14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words,it is of no value,and only ruins those who listen. Believe what you please,but remember we have to answer for every word we speak and if we lead people to be in error God will hold us guilty.
---Darlene_1 on 5/4/12


Mark_V and Darlene, you misunderstand scripture.
As Jim said, "how terrifying it must be to live not knowing if you have repented of all sin every day."
You fail to understand that repentance is ONCE ONLY as shown in Heb 6:6. If you fall away after that there is no 2nd repentance as that would be crucifying Christ again and put him to an open shame.

Repentance is to turn away from your offence. BUT if your continually repenting then you never really repented to begin with...did you?

And if you sin that means your in unbelief as you've gone under the law of sin and death to establish self-righteousness and transgressed it thus becoming a sinner (Gal 2:18).
---Haz27 on 5/4/12


duane, you need to become a saved and born-again Christian and so live in and for Christ, rather than remain unsaved and live in and for sin the rest of your life.
---Eloy on 5/4/12


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To ask forgiveness of sin means we are still unforgiven and lost. We will do this the rest of our lives meaning we are never set free from sin. In and out of forgiveness is bondage. We in this flesh will always sin. Its impossible to repent of sinning. We need to repent(turn) to Christ where we have permanent forgiveness, therefore have salvation.
People will say, Im saved and cant lose my salvation.
Why dont they say Im forgiven and will never be unforgiven.
Trust in the Cross and you wont be confused.
---duane on 5/4/12


Darlene 1,
Excellent repply and great use of relevant verses!
---Nana on 5/4/12


I see there are nonChristian sinners whom post "a different gospel" which is not from Christ. Both testaments command Repent from sin and accept God's way to live right. But the sinner believes the satanic teaching that "nothing is necessary" for "Jesus did it all" and "he loves you when you sin" and "all are going to heaven". Awake to righteousness! Repent from your sin, else you have zero forgiveness and you will perish in your sins! Read the scriptures people, and accept the truth: They whom live in sin are God's enemy and under his wrath and condemnation, not God's friend and under his grace and salvation.
---Eloy on 5/4/12


Darlene//what God will do to you if you don't repent of every sin,
Darlene...how terrifying it must be to live not knowing if you have repented of all sin every day. Speaking of repent. Have you any idea why John does not mention repent in his gospel or 3 letters?
---JIM on 5/4/12


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Jim,with all respect,you don't seem to remember what God will do to you if you don't repent of every sin,MarkV is right,if sin,repent. The Lords prayer isn't done away with,"forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us". 1John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death he shall ask,and He shall give him life. We pray and ask forgiveness for that brother,God wouldn't have told us to ask if we didn't need to. Luke 13:3-except you repent,you shall likewise perish,we pray when repenting,for forgiveness of the sin we commited. Teaching one doesn't have to repent every time they sin leads others astray,without repentance there's no salvation. Cluny is right on 5-2,its not once only repentance.
---Darlene_1 on 5/4/12


Brother markv.....can you show me where it says we are to ask for forgiveness?
---JIM on 5/4/12


All men are forgiven of sin through the Cross. We must turn to Christ to repent(turn) from sin. A person does NOT repent from sin to be forgiven. That would be impossible. (Jesus needed to shed HIS blood)
Its Gods decision to set us free from the slavery of sin. HE is the only one who takes sin away. We are then truely free.
---duane on 5/4/12


MarkV says//When we sin we repent and ask for forgiveness

Brother Mark...you do not really understand what Christ did for you at the cross if you ask for forgiveness everytime you sin.
---JIM on 5/4/12


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Haz, you have a big problem, for one reason, your believe that believers do not sin and are perfect already. So you base other passages with that believe. No where are we told not to repent because we have repented already unto salvation. As believers we have a new disposition, a desire to not sin. We have to cooperate with the Spirit, what's called, walking in the Spirit. When we sin we repent and ask for forgiveness. The Spirit continues to convict our hearts when we do sin (sanctification). Every believer has a desire to do the will of God, but we don't many times and we sin. It does not mean that works saves us, we are already saved by grace through faith, and because we are, we respond with our works of cooperation.
---Mark_V. on 5/4/12


People dont like that part Ginger, so they throw it out.
---CraigA on 5/3/12


"James 1:22 "be ye doers of the word", refers to believing on Jesus, our works (John 6:29). It's not talking about works of the law as you think."
---Haz27 on 5/3/12

What is it that I think Haz? What works of the law are you refering to?
John 6:26 "... believe on him whom he hath sent." but you cannot believe in Him while not believing His Word, "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life".
So, please stop with the innuendo and spit out those 'works of the law' you ascribe to me.

Mark5, the Haz is not going to let you kiss-up to him with "That calls for purifying of sin, which we play a part...".
Haz do not play as he is seriously ...
---Nana on 5/3/12


Mark_V, see my post to Nana 5/3/12 to see scripture on how we purify ourselves.
You quoted Phil. 3:12-14 2 Cor. 7:1: 1 Tim. 5:22: 1 Peter 1:22, suggesting that we purify ourselves by our own efforts of works. That is a misunderstanding of these scriptures.

Nana: Note Acts 15:7 how the gentiles had heard the gospel and BELIEVED. That is how their hearts were purified (Acts 15:9).
Your reference to Simon Act 8:20 who tried to PURCHASE the Holy Spirit with money shows he was not a Christian.

James 1:22 "be ye doers of the word", refers to believing on Jesus, our works (John 6:29). It's not talking about works of the law as you think.
---Haz27 on 5/3/12


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It still stands.
---Eloy on 5/3/12


Ginger: You said on 5/2/12 unbelief "can not be forgiven."
That's correct. If backsliders don't repent of unbelief (dead works of law INSTEAD of righteousness in Christ) they're lost.

"Backsliding Israel committed (spiritual) adultery" Jer 3:8
In spite of this adultery God said "Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD......." Jer 3:12-14.
Just like the prodigal son.

BUT, God says once you have repented it is "IMPOSSIBLE" to repent AGAIN if you fall away into unbelief. Then you would crucify the Son of God afresh, and put him to open shame (Heb 6:6). Such are like a dog returning to its own vomit (2Pet2:20-22).

By the way, see Rom 2:28,29 to see who is a real Jew.
---Haz27 on 5/3/12


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Read Ellen G Ghite steps to Christ online

Gaurantee that it will change your life and walk with Jesus
---francis on 5/2/12\\

Darn tootin' it will. It will change your walk with Jesus to walking away from Him.

That's why the book should be called "steps from Christ." But what do you expect to come from the pen of a medium with a religious spirit of divination?

There is only ONE step to Christ--love for Him.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/12


Haz, you are correct concerning (1 John 3:3). These people are already saved, who John calls "The Beloved" in (v.2). They were already made alive together with Christ, and forgiven of their sins. "Purify himself, just as He is pure" these is the key verse to (2:28-3:3) and introduces the fifth feature of the believers hope. Living in the reality of Christ's return makes a difference in a Christian behavior. Since Christians someday will be like Him, a desire should grow within the Christian to become like Him now. That was Paul's passion, expressed in (Phil. 3:12-14). That calls for purifying of sin, which we play a part ( 2 Cor. 7:1: 1 Tim. 5:22: 1 Peter 1:22).
---Mark_V. on 5/3/12


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You quoted half sentence only:
Acts 15:8_9 "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us,
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

Knoweth their hearts, just alike God knew Simon the sorcerer: Acts 8:21 "Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God."

See, the heart before and after: James 1:22 "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

Doers Haz!
---Nana on 5/3/12


Backsliding is not about struggling with issues like smoking. It's the term used to describe Israel which was sliding into unbelief by establishing righteousness through the law instead (Rom 10:3)
---Haz27 on 5/2/12

Are God says he is still married to Israel too. God says he will eventually open Israels eyes and save her.
So, are you saying God will not take a backslider back?
What about the prodigal son? How do you explain that, Haz?
---ginger on 5/3/12


Nana, you misunderstand 1John3:3 "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure."

We purify ourselves not by works of the law as you claim, but instead by believing on Jesus.
1Pet1:21,22 " who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
The Enduring Word
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit"

Heb9:13,14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

Acts 15:9 "purifying their hearts by faith"
---Haz27 on 5/3/12


1 John 3:3 "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure."
Do you have an issue with a man purifying himself Haz?
Rigtheous Job, "feared God, and eschewed evil."
Whom does evil fears not God and is not righteous.
1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning."

"Backsliding is not about struggling with issues like smoking."
Hax

What next? Beating the wife to a pulp is not backsliding either? He who
does is not providing for his own:
1 Timothy 5:8 "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."
---Nana on 5/2/12


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Ginger said: "repentance from dead works is not the same a repentance from unbelief."

Dead works is self-righteousness through works of the law (what Nana seems to support). If a Christian falls away into righteousness outside of Christ this is clearly unbelief. It's either grace OR works (Rom 11:6). And dead works is unbelief.
Righteousness is ONLY through Christ, by faith.
BUT if you seek to establish righteousness through the law (dead works) then this is not submitting to the righteousness of God (Rom 10:3).

Backsliding is not about struggling with issues like smoking. It's the term used to describe Israel which was sliding into unbelief by establishing righteousness through the law instead (Rom 10:3)
---Haz27 on 5/2/12


Cluny said repentance is: "a life-style, a constant course-correction"

And that describes a ONCE ONLY repentance.
Read Heb 6:1-6 and see for yourself how it says it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to "renew them AGAIN unto repentance".
Clearly repentance is ONCE ONLY.
Once you have repented it's a lifestyle change with no turning back/falling away. And any who do "fall away" CANNOT repent AGAIN (Heb 6:4-6).

And how do you fall away?
Unbelief in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 5/2/12


"ginger...where does Paul say to crucify yourself daily?"


"ginger....if anyone be in Christ he is a new creation. The old is gone, behold all things are become new."
---JIM on 5/2/12


Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Is, Might and Henceforth...

Galatians 5:24 "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

It would seem that as long as there be "affections and lusts" in the christian he must remain crucified...
Or we could do as Haz and pretend perfection and nothing really matters or counts against?
---Nana on 5/2/12


He actually says to die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.


I believe that crucifying the flesh is the same as dying to self daily.
Yes we are new creatures in Christ, I believe that but we still have to die to self daily.
We get a new heart, it doesn't change the fact that we must walk in this world and endure to the end. That takes crucifying or killing our flesh daily. Choosing to walk in the spirit daily.
We have 2 natures. We have our flesh which have to contend with and we have the spirit of Christ we live in.
---ginger on 5/2/12


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ginger...where does Paul say to crucify yourself daily?
---JIM on 5/2/12


ginger....if anyone be in Christ he is a new creation. The old is gone, behold all things are become new.
---JIM on 5/2/12


Repentance--metanoia--is not a once only thing. It's a life-style, a constant course-correction.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/12

Amen Cluny.
Paul said crucify yourself daily!
Haz, repentance from dead works is not the same a repentance from unbelief.
Those who are backsliders still believe. Usually it is because of an issue that they are having, like quiting smoking.

Repentance from unbelief means repenting of not believing Christ was the son of God, and is the savior.
The sin of unbelief is the only sin that can not be forgiven.
---ginger on 5/2/12


\\ It's a ONCE ONLY repentance of "DEAD WORKS" (Heb 6:1, Heb 9:14). \\

WRONG!

Repentance--metanoia--is not a once only thing. It's a life-style, a constant course-correction.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/12


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Christians have repented. It's a ONCE ONLY repentance of "DEAD WORKS" (Heb 6:1, Heb 9:14). Dead works is self-righteousness. This is sin, defined as unbelief (John16:9), unrighteousness (1John5:17), establishing your own righteousness under law(1John3:4, Gal 2:18, Rom 10:3,4).

For Christians there is no more repentance. Should a Christian fall away again (unbelief), establishing their own righteousness, it is "IMPOSSIBLE" to renew them again to repentance. To do so, they "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to open shame"(Heb 6:4-6).

Those who fall away are "fornicators" like Esau, who sold his birthright. There is no place for repentance for such people(Heb 12:15-17).
---Haz27 on 5/1/12


The Lord YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) stated in His Parable of the Unjust Steward, that if we do not forgive those who wrong us, then, GOD will not forgive us of our sins. For, GOD is a GOD of Forgiveness, and we have to be like HIM, if we want to live with HIM Forever in HIS Heaven. This is not a complicated issue. Not an easy one, always, to actually live out in real, everyday life. But, it's not hard to just simply understand this principle of Forgiveness.
---Gordon on 5/2/12


Jim, what about repentance?
Aren't you required to repent of your sin?

Many people say Christ died for them but don't repent of their sin because they are told they don't have to.
The bible says repent and believe. Not just believe.
---ginger on 5/2/12


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