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Ellen G. White A Prophet

There are some people who claim Ellen G. White was a Prophet sent by God, and all of her prophecies have come true.

Others say Ellen G. White was a False Prophet and none who her prophecies came true.

What are your thoughts?

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SDA's, I do know what they teach,
---Rob on 5/9/12

As a SDA, along with every other SDA here, based on your posts and quetsions you do not know what SDA teach. You may think you know what SDA teach, but you ro not. Why do younot ask your parents?

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

what does this verse say about keeping the commandments?

Does it say we can break some and teach men to break some?
---francis on 5/9/12


I was shown that if the object of this war had been to exterminate slavery, then, if desired,

Said the angel: "Hear, O heavens, the cry of the oppressed, and reward the oppressors double according to their deeds." This nation will yet be humbled into the dust.
God is punishing this nation for the high crime of slavery. He has the destiny of the nation in His hands. He will punish the South for the sin of slavery, and the North for so long suffering its overreaching and overbearing influence.

To the best of my knowledge teh pro slave owners lost this war?

read the whole thing please
---francis on 5/9/12


While people like Jerry and Francis will defend Ellen White to their very last breath, there is a faction within Adventism that begs to dump her and her teachings much like those in the Worldwide Church of God discarded Herbert W. Armstrong and his erroneous teachings after his death.

The problem is that the hardshell non-analytical types are still in control of the top hierarchy of the SDA church.

Perhaps Jerry & Francis realize there is a problem but are afraid to man-up to the fact that they have been hoodwinked for all these years.
---lee1538 on 5/9/12


Here's another false prophecy EGW gave during the Civil War:

" This nation will yet be humbled into the dust . When England does declare war , all nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war." (Vol.1, p.259).

Of course as THE WHITE LIE points out, the question is not whether EGW can be called a prophet, she can't. The REAL question is whether, with all her plagarisms, she can be called an honest woman.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/12


Jerry //Let's try again. Which of God's Ten Commandment laws are you comfortable in breaking? If none, then so state. If one, say one, etc. How hard is that?

As Christians we are to please the Lord in all that we do and since we have an internal guide in the Holy Spirit we know when we do not please Him.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Only a legalist like yourself would point to law thinking that mere adherence to ethical law is what pleases God. You really have the spirit of Phariseeism within you!!!

Sorry to see you have such a problem.
---lee1538 on 5/9/12




Lee: "To answer your question, one cannot break any law that is not applicable."

That is NOT an answer to my question. That is evasive doublespeak, and is quite unbecoming for a Christian.

Make that FIVE blog responses, and still no answer.

Let's try again. Which of God's Ten Commandment laws are you comfortable in breaking? If none, then so state. If one, say one, etc. How hard is that?

You have implied that you are comfortable in breaking the 4th Commandment, but haven't said so explicitly. You even try to pin your sin on the Holy Spirit for not convicting you. I suspect that He did once upon a time, but you rejected His entreaties.


---jerry6593 on 5/9/12


Francis, is that your response to try and cover up for your lies?

During sometime in your life, did you suffer a major or tramatic brain injury? If not, why are you unable to comprehend the things I shared about SDA's, I do know what they teach, and I reject their teaching because they are false.

When someone rejects the lies of Satan and takes a stand for God's truth, why do you call this rebellion.

When Ellen G. White went soaring through the Universe, through space, and to other planets, did Ellen G. White take you along?

It is so sad SDA's have been brainwashed and blinded so much by Satan, his servants, and false prophets, they are totally unable to grasp the truth, when it is plainly laid out in front of them.
---Rob on 5/9/12


the New Testament taught sabbath-keeping, even an idiot would be able to find verses to show it. ---StrongAxe on 5/8/12

Faulty logic.

Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

the NT clearly teaches righteousness by faith, let the church before Luther did not accept righteousness by faith. remember indulgences?

Just because a church chooses not o teach it, does not mean it is not in the NT
---francis on 5/8/12


Many of the questions you ask, and many of the posting your make, clearly show that you do not understand SDA teachings. Every SDA on CN has told you so.
Even when you attempt to quote from 27 fundermetal beliefs, you misshandle what you read.

Which tells me that you did not reject SDA teachings, you rebelled against your parents.

You need to consider that you did not understand nor wanted to understand the teachings, because it was a convinient way to rebel against your parents.

To prove it here are my two questions: Did your parents encourage you to be part of the SDA church? Have you asked your parents why they left your former denomination and became SDA?
---francis on 5/8/12


francis:

You wrote: Truth is anyone who is sincere will find many many sriptures on the sabbath in the NT. Some only pretend that it is not there

If the New Testament taught sabbath-keeping, even an idiot would be able to find verses to show it. But one can't, because it isn't there. One needs to read between the lines with a specific bias to "see" sabbath-keeping taught in the New Testament.

2 Timothy 4:3 talks about people who hear what they WANT to hear (and, by extension, see what they WANT to see). This same could apply to those who want so desperately to believe that some doctrine is taught in the New Testament, that they see evidence of that doctrine under every article, preposition, and punctuation.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/12




Francis, we know some people will tell a lie, to try and cover up for a lie.

Once again, you have proven you do not keep the 9th commandment, and just like Satan you will do what is written in Romans 1:25.

Everyone on these blogs, please take a look at what Francis wrote on 5/7/12, "I SAID YOU WERE NEVER SDA, OR THAT YOU WERE MOST LIKELY ADOPTED".

Compare this with what he wrote on 5/3/12, "ROB HAS HIS OWN ISSUES OF CHILDHOOD REBELLION OF BEING ADOPTED INTO A SDA HOME".

Also look how Francis ran from my replies concerning the difference between rebllion against parents, and rejecting SDA FALSE TEACHING.

Also, why do SDA's avoid what is written in Revelation 22:18-19, like it is a plague?
---Rob on 5/8/12


The only one of the Ten Commandments not covered by the Two is the one about the sabbath. And guess what? The Apostles are curiously silent about that one too!
---StrongAxe on 5/8/12
I do not see this command repeate din the NT: Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

Does that mean we are free to practice such?

Truth is anyone who is sincere will find many many sriptures on the sabbath in the NT. Some only pretend that it is not there

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
---francis on 5/8/12


//You even try to pin your sin on the Holy Spirit for not convicting you.

But it is not a sin to not observe the Jewish Sabbath.

To answer your question, one cannot break any law that is not applicable.

However since you place yourself under the Old Covenant, why do you light a fire in your home on the Sabbath? Exodus 35:3

Clearly you SIN SIN SIN SIN if you do so since to violate any of God's old Covenant laws is sin sin sin.
---lee1538 on 5/8/12


francis:

Christians will not murder - NOT necessarily because it was part of the commandments given at Sinai, but because it is impossible to do so while loving one's neighbor as one'self. The same applies to adultery, perjury, theft, and covetousness.

Similarly, Christians don't blaspheme and worship other gods - becuase doing so is impossible if you love God above all else.

The only one of the Ten Commandments not covered by the Two is the one about the sabbath. And guess what? The Apostles are curiously silent about that one too!
---StrongAxe on 5/8/12


Lee: Make that FOUR blog responses, and still no answer.

I'll try again. Which of God's Ten Commandment laws are you comfortable in breaking? If none, then so state. If one, say one, etc. How hard is that?

You have implied that you are comfortable in breaking the 4th Commandment, but haven't said so explicitly. You even try to pin your sin on the Holy Spirit for not convicting you. I suspect that He did once upon a time, but you rejected His entreaties.

---jerry6593 on 5/8/12


cluny. My point here is that the NT writers do mention all ten commandments, and even some that are not in the ten commandments.
SO those who claim that the christian is not " under" the ten commandments are not being honest
---francis on 5/7/12


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\\Not eatingblood is not even part of the ten commandments
---francis on 5/7/12\\

But it is mentioned elsewhere.

Though I think "blood" in this context might mean "violence," as in the Biblical term "men of blood", qv.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/12


Since the Christian is not under the 10 commandments
---lee1538 on 5/7/12

" under the law" means under the condemnation of the law, the cost of not acceopting Jesus death on the cross. It does not mean that Christians are not to keep the ten commandments. or else why would the apostles have written these:

Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood

Not eatingblood is not even part of the ten commandments
---francis on 5/7/12


\\---Rob on 5/7/12
I said you where never a SDA or that you were most likely adoped. No lies there. Have you asked your parents if you were adopted?\\

Are you saying that SDAism is a genetic disease?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/12


---Rob on 5/7/12
I said you where never a SDA or that you were most likely adoped. No lies there. Have you asked your parents if you were adopted?

Also the prophetic period ended meaning the prophecy of the 2300 days ended in 1844. Not that the gift of prophecy ended.
---francis on 5/7/12


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Francis, on 5/4/12 you said you keep all of the 10 Commandsments. How can this be true when you have repeatedly broken the 9th commandent by lying and saying I did not grow up in a SDA home and I don't know what SDA's teach and believe. You also wanted me to lie about this.

Also why are there contradictions in the SDA 27 Fundamental Beliefs? In #24 it says the prohetic period ended in 1844 and after 2300 days. If SDA's believe this was true, why do they believe Ellen G. White is a prophet sent by God, and why did she continue to make prophecies, by the way none ever were true?

As usual, you probably will go on a rant to avoid answering these questions.
---Rob on 5/7/12


//I'll try again. Which of God's Ten Commandment laws are you comfortable in breaking? If none, then so state. If one, say one, etc. How hard is that?

Since the Christian is not under the 10 commandments or even under the OT law, none of the commandments are applicable to the Christian.

Howbeit, we do have an obligation to our fellow man, to love him and try to care for his needs.

Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
---lee1538 on 5/7/12


Lee: Three blog responses, and still no answer.

I'll try again. Which of God's Ten Commandment laws are you comfortable in breaking? If none, then so state. If one, say one, etc. How hard is that?

You have implied that you are comfortable in breaking the 4th Commandment, but haven't said so explicitly. You even try to pin your sin on the Holy Spirit for not convicting you. I suspect that He did once upon a time, but you rejected His entreaties.


---jerry6593 on 5/7/12


Those that walk by God's Spirit do not need the law as they fulfill all the requirements of those laws that are applicable.
---lee1538 on 5/5/12
IGNORANT statement
----
Really???
Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

---lee1538 on 5/6/12
YES REALLY!

Are the NT writers putting people under the law when they write:

Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood
---francis on 5/6/12


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Jerry - it is doubtful that there has ever been an Adventist that has ever lived that has been able to obey all the laws including that 10 commandments. Those that have claimed to have done so have really deceived themselves.

Observe the Sabbath? You don't if you light a fire in your home on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:3) or do things that could wait until after sundown.

It is better if you could see yourself as God sees you and stop acting like a phony Pharisee steeped in LEGALISM.
---lee1538 on 5/6/12


jerry //Those that walk by God's Spirit do not need the law as they fulfill all the requirements of those laws that are applicable.
---lee1538 on 5/5/12
IGNORANT statement
----
Really???

Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Your problems is also addressed by the following Bible verse -

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Maybe you should read Fannie Bolton's book Steps to Christ?
---lee1538 on 5/6/12


Jerry //Hebrews 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,

Ever wonder why the Holy Spirit never convicts us of not observing the Jewish Sabbath?

If you say that the Sabbath law was not written on the hearts of believers, you got the right answer.
---lee1538 on 5/6/12


Those that walk by God's Spirit do not need the law as they fulfill all the requirements of those laws that are applicable.
---lee1538 on 5/5/12
IGNORANT statement

Hebrews 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,

Those who walk with God have the laws of God writen in their hearts. The saints of God, are described as:
Revelation 14:12 they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You AGAIN you doctrine is that of devils
---francis on 5/6/12


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Those laws that were given exclusively to the nation of Israel
---lee1538 on 5/5/12
Lets examine your doctrines.

Are you suggesting that only Jews should:

Exodus 20:3 have no other gods.
Exodus 20:4 not make any graven images to worship or bow down to
Exodus 20:7 not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 not kill.
Exodus 20:14 not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 not steal.
Exodus 20:16 not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exodus 20:17 not covet

---francis on 5/6/12


Lee: "What kind of answer do you expect?"

Well, for starters, one related to the question would be refreshing. I'll try again. Which of God's Ten Commandment laws are you comfortable in breaking? If none, then so state. If one, say one, etc. How hard is that?


---jerry6593 on 5/6/12


---Haz27 5/5/12
MORE UNINTELLIGENCE?

Righteousness by faith is the imputing and imparting of the results of Christ sinless life and atoning death. He imputes, or credits, to us the merits of His sinless experience to deliver us from the PENALTY of sin. This is justification. To deliver us from the power of sin, He does not merely reckon us as righteous, but He actually imparts the strength to OVERCOME sin.
---francis on 2/25/12

We as fallen human being have no righteousness of our own. All our righteous comes from christ. God crediting to us the perfect sinless life of Jesus for our sinfilled life, christ in us enabling us to do good works, all righteousness comes from God
---francis on 5/3/12
---francis on 5/5/12


jerry6593//Lee: Was that an answer???
----
What kind of answer do you expect?

Those that walk by God's Spirit do not need the law as they fulfill all the requirements of those laws that are applicable.

Those laws that were given exclusively to the nation of Israel to keep them separate from other nations are not applicable to the Christian walk. Such laws as the Sabbath, the dietary laws, the temple worship, circumcision, were not imposed on the church.

You glory not in Christ, but in the law! But since you are an unregenerate and void of God's Spirit, you really need to walk by the law.




---lee1538 on 5/5/12


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I believe the 10 COMMANDMENTS were given to the Jews.
---Rob on 5/4/12
Lets examine your doctrines.

Are you suggesting that only Jews should:

Exodus 20:3 have no other gods.
Exodus 20:4 not make any graven images to worship or bow down to
Exodus 20:7 not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 not kill.
Exodus 20:14 not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 not steal.
Exodus 20:16 not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exodus 20:17 not covet

Can't you see that you are the one with the false teaching?
---francis on 5/5/12


\\Haz, Lee, Cluny, Rob: Since you claim to be "not under the Law" (i.e., not subject to the law), which of God's Ten Commandments are you comfortable in breaking\\

Please tell me when I said I was "not under the Law".

This this is not a term Orthodox use, I'm not likely to have said it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/12


Lee: Was that an answer???


---jerry6593 on 5/5/12


Francis and Jerry. It's interesting how you concentrate on asking us which of the commandments we are comfortable breaking.

The real issue which you guys always avoid is how is righteousness determined.
For SDAs its works of the law, being proof of salvation.
BUT for Christians it's righteousness by faith instead.

As for our lifestyle, see Rom 13:9,10 "For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet, and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
---Haz27 on 5/5/12


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Jerry//Since you claim to be "not under the Law" (i.e., not subject to the law), which of God's Ten Commandments are you comfortable in breaking

Which ones are applicable to the Christian walk?

O nasty me, the only law I place myself under is known as the law of Christ. see Galatians 6:2, 1 Cor. 9:21

Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
---lee1538 on 5/5/12


Francis, why do you keep going around in circles trying to avoid the truth.

How many times do I have to tell you my parents have over 20 books written by Ellen G. White in their library. I have not read all of them, but I have read enough of them, including The Great Contoversy, and the Great Disappointment to know they are full of FALSE TEACHING.

If I did not grow up in an SDA home, how come I know so much about the Pathfinders, Campion Academy, and Union College.

Francis, you harp so much about keeping the 10 commandments, yet you want me to break the 9th commandment by lying and saying I did not grow up in an SDA home, and I don't know what they believe and teach.
---Rob on 5/5/12


first of all i'm reallly afraid as far as prophecy is concerne so i can't beleive is a prophet
---robbe on 5/5/12


Haz, Lee, Cluny, Rob: Since you claim to be "not under the Law" (i.e., not subject to the law), which of God's Ten Commandments are you comfortable in breaking? That is, which would not violate your conscience at all to transgress? All of them? Just the 4th?


---jerry6593 on 5/5/12


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The SDA gospel of mixing grace and works is error
---Haz27 on 5/4/12

Again not one word of intelligence from you

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood

is this gospel of works and grace by Paul, or are you as unintelligent as I say you are?
---francis on 5/5/12


Much, however, of her writings reflected those of her contemporaries, especially her views of health.
--lee1538 on 5/4/12

Stop crying like a little dog in heat, and prove you statement!
---francis on 5/4/12
All you need to do is to read that book by Ronald Numbers and you will find what I say to be very true.

Sorry guy but the truth is there for anyone that will accept it.
---lee1538 on 5/5/12


People should follow the Holy Bible and its prophecies rather than people, for people will fail you. God's Word will never fail you, for people that put their trust in him will not be under shame.
---Eloy on 5/4/12


Francis: You argue that keeping the commandments is proof of being a Christian.
Yet SDA's clearly fail to keep the commandments. They don't even observe the Sabbath correctly. And, as James 2:10 shows, SDAs are guilty of ALL the law. Your SDA doctrine condemns you.

Many here have shown you scriptures all testifying that we are NOT under the law. Our righteousness is in Christ instead.
The SDA gospel of mixing grace and works is error. Rom 11:6, Rom 10:3,4, Gal 5:18, Rom 8:2, Gal 2:18-21, Gal 3:2-10, etc, etc all contradict SDA doctrine.
---Haz27 on 5/4/12


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Much, however, of her writings reflected those of her contemporaries, especially her views of health.
--lee1538 on 5/4/12

Stop crying like a little dog in heat, and prove you statement!
---francis on 5/4/12


//Samuel, EGW was never a prophet to start with, as she never spoke the word of God at any time.

It is doubtful if Ellen White could qualify as a prophet or even a messenger of God anymore than leading preachers or theologians of other denominations.

Much, however, of her writings reflected those of her contemporaries, especially her views of health.

Best read on her health issues is Prophetess of Health, a study of Ellen G. White by Ronald L. Numbers.

But I would not advise any reading of her of those that truly want to believe Ellen White was born of a virgin.
---lee1538 on 5/4/12


\\As i and the other SDA in CN have toldyou, you do not know SDA teaching.

I have often got the same argument while debating with Roman Catholics! The theory being if we just knew the truth, then we would submit to their teachings.

The fact is, there are about as many apologists that are former Adventists that truly knew Adventist doctrine and practices, some having been 4th or 5th generation Adventists.

As posted before Adventist really do not have a clear understanding either of the Bible or church history. The are much like the sports fans who root for their own teams and while condemning others that are far more knowledgeable than they are.
---lee1538 on 5/4/12


Francis said: "obedience is the fruit of faith"

This is SDA code for salvation by grace + works of the law
---Haz27 on 5/4/12

You are by far the most unintellegent blogeer

1 Corinthians 7:19 the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant: which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

What is KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD code for?
---francis on 5/4/12


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\\As i and the other SDA in CN have toldyou, you do not know SDA teaching\\

This is what I get told when I quote from the SDA Revelation seminars I attended.

When I quote the false prophecies and foolish notions of EGW, I get silence.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/12


Francis, as I have shared many times before, I know about the SDA's because I was raised in an SDA home.
---Rob on 4/16/12
If I did not indded grow up in an SDA home, I wonder why I know and remember so much about SDA's
---Rob on 4/28/12
Remember, I was brought up in a SDA home. I do know what they teach and believe!
---Rob on 9/23/11

Rob, in the spirit of Cinco de Mayo I am goning to give you a change to back out of these statement or else prove to me that you infact know what SDA teach

James on 5/4/12 before you stand up for Rob, please find out what he has been saying about SDA
Proverbs 26:17 He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.
---francis on 5/4/12


Yes Francis, this is a commandment and I do honor my parents.

It tells children to obey their parents IN THE LORD. It does tell children to obey their parents when their parents try to draw them into some WACKED OUT CULT, Proverbs 22:5.

Why did you leave out the 4th verse? Fathers, do not exasperate your children, but instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the LORD. This verse does not say to bring them up in a decietful group of people who claim to be the remnant church, who follows a FALSE PROPHET.

Also, I see you continue to avoid answering whether or not yo follow all 10 COMMANDMENTS.
---Rob on 5/4/12


SDA stands for Seventh day Adventist. We are a world wide church that believes in salvation by Grace alone through faith alone. But that the love of GOD and others casues us to follow GOD keep his commandments including the Ten Commandments and treat all people with love.
---Samuel on 5/4/12


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Francis said: "obedience is the fruit of faith"

This is SDA code for salvation by grace + works of the law. No doubt EGW taught this gospel of grace WITH the subtle mixing in of works of the law.
And yet anyone who knows any SDAs knows they FAIL to keep the law. SDAs don't even keep the sabbath correctly. SDAs are condemned by their own doctrine.

SDAs are similar to the Jews under the law. Christ is a "stone of stumbling and a rock of offence" (1Pet 2:8) for them both.
---Haz27 on 5/4/12


Why don't you man up and answer the question I asked you about whether or not you keep all of the 10 Commandments?
---Rob on 5/4/12
YES I DO, and the dietary laws also.
---francis on 5/4/12


"Francis, the Bible teaches if one breaks any commandment they break them all."
Rob on 5/4/12

Ephesians 6:1_2 "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)"

That is a commandment, is it not?
---Nana on 5/4/12


Francis: Time for YOU to prove things you accuse

Where (show us the words he wrote) does Rob SHOW that he DOES disagree with any of those three?

If it is a matter of the SDA (I have no idea what it is) then please don't use abbreviations that non-Americans don't know - we are not all so fluent in American strange churches
---James on 5/4/12


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Francis, I shared what I believe.

I don't believe and I reject the teachings of SDA's. As usually you will say I don't know or what they teach. How in the world can a person reject something unless they have heard or been taught it?

Why do you always go on a rant to avoid answering questions people asked you?

Why don't you man up and answer the question I asked you about whether or not you keep all of the 10 Commandments?
---Rob on 5/4/12


Rob, time to man up!
Which do you disagree with, why?

1: We do not earn salvation by our obedience, for salvation is the free gift of God, to be received by faith. But obedience is the fruit of faith

2:He who is trying to become holy by his own works in keeping the law, is attempting an impossibility. All that man can do without Christ is polluted with selfishness and sin. It is the grace of Christ alone, through faith, that can make us holy.

3: More than this, Christ changes the heart. He abides in your heart by faith. You are to maintain this connection with Christ by faith and the continual surrender of your will to Him, and so long as you do this, He will work in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure
---francis on 5/4/12


Francis, I believe the 10 COMMANDMENTS were given to the Jews.

I believe the only person who ever walked on the face of the earth who kept the commandments was CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE.

I believe CHRIST fulfilled the Law, and the Law was nailed with CHRIST on the Cross.

Francis, the Bible teaches if one breaks any commandment they break them all.

Now let me ask you if you keep all of the TEN COMMANDMENTS!
---Rob on 5/4/12


..I did grow up in an SDA home, but reject SDA teaching. ---Rob on 5/4/12

As i and the other SDA in CN have toldyou, you do not know SDA teaching

You are rejecting your parents and rebeling agains them

To reject SDA teaching, you must know SDA teaching

So letme be bold and ask you this: Do you REJECT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?
---francis on 5/4/12


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Francis, what you wrote is so very true about yourself.

You make every attempt to cut off the occasian of people sharing the truth, and that I did grow up in an SDA home, but reject SDA teaching. You constantly attempt to turn this truth into a lie by saying I was adopted into an SDA home.

Also, Christ's Church was established long before the SDA Church. Your goal is to keep people away from the Church which Christ established Himself, which is also Satan's Goal.

Christ's Church was not established by Satan or his servants.
---Rob on 5/4/12


Rob, you need to work out these issues with your parents.

You realy need to sit with your parents and ask them some questions.
Here is one question I suggest you start with

1: Why did you leave our old church and become a SDA?

Let your p[arents explain to you from the bible what they foudnin the SDA that was absent in thier old church.

This would help with our childhood issues

I also sugest that you read Ellen G white's STEPS TO CHRIST
---francis on 5/4/12


\\YES that is how you got SUNday worship. they worshiped the created sun, rather than the creator.\\

That's NOT what a former SDA minister discovered in his research about the pagan Romans and Sunday.

The Graeco-Roman pagan worship cycle was the YEAR, not the week. The Romans arranged the year in MONTHS (not weeks) with three days each month (kalends, nones, ides) as the principal days, but worship had nothing to do with this.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/12


Francis, are you aware of what is written in Romans 1:18-32.

You are also a perfect example of what is written in 2 Corinthians Chapter Eleven.
---Rob on 5/4/12
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

YES that is how you got SUNday worship. they worshiped the created sun, rather than the creator.

2 Cor 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion,

Yes I will not sit idle while you denigrate the church of the living God. I will continue to give scripture agianst what you say, and ask you to look internally for the conflict within you
---francis on 5/4/12


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Francis, are you aware of what is written in Romans 1:18-32.

Why do you continue to do this, along with twisting what people say and changing them into lies.

You are also a perfect example of what is written in 2 Corinthians Chapter Eleven.

Ypu are a person who will do anything to keep others from hearing and knowing the truth.
---Rob on 5/4/12


Samuel, EGW was never a prophet to start with, as she never spoke the word of God at any time.

At best, she spoke in herself. But the evidence is she spoke in the walk-in demon of divination.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/12


Rob:

"none who her prophecies came true."

What???

I think that you should learn to read. Maybe that's why you invariably get SDA doctrine wrong.


---jerry6593 on 5/4/12


---Rob on 5/3/12

Well, the truth comes ot after all. The people here who are SDA have said over and over again that you have no idea what SDA teaches. This is evident by your questions and postings!

so this behaviour is just childhood rebellion against your parents. It has nothing to do with SDA since you have not demonstrated any understanding of what SDA teach.

How can yo be against something yo do not understand?

Take for example your choosing to obey 9/10 commandments rather than 10/10. How do you explain that,if not childhood rebelion?
---francis on 5/3/12


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SDAs claim Ellen G. White is a prophet.
Mt13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Christ stated:
Mt11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Lu16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
The author of Hebrews states:
Heb1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Heb1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ...

If a person has the ability to read and understand the bible then the true and correct answer is evident.
---trey on 5/3/12


What is the first most important work of a Prophet?

No it is not to predict the future. Which is why Jews do not place Daniel as a prophet. The major work of the prophet is to tell the people what they are doing that is wrong. Read Jeremiah, Isiah, and all the other prophets found in the Bible. How much of their writing is predictive? Very little.

Mostly they told people to love GOD and keep His commandments. What is the main them of E. G. Whites writings Love GOD and keep his commandments.
---Samuel on 5/3/12


\\Rob has his own issues with childhood rebelion of being adopted into a SDA family. Those issues drive his hatred for his real parents and are manifested in hatred for everything the the family who took him in stands for.
\\

This is called the argumentum ad hominem.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/12


Scott1, I have read many things on these blogs you have written, and have agreed with you 100% on them all. I have no doubt you are true to the Lord, are grounded in GOD'S TRUTH.

But this one time I do disagree with what you have written.

I do not love getting Francis stirred up. Francis gets stirred up because he hates that I share the TRUTH about what I have seen and learned about the SDA's with my very own eyes and ears.

A perfect example of this is Francis continues to lie about my being adopted by SDA parents.

I was raised by my parents, I acepted Christ as my Lord and Savior as a teenager. Two years after that my parents became SDA's but I rejected and still reject their teaching(s).


---Rob on 5/3/12


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sunday blue laws are the mark of the beast and described the beast as the papacy ---weatherbill on 5/3/12
BIBLE SAYS:

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ...and shall..think to change times and laws:

So the BIBLE says that the fourth beast shall seek to change times and laws ( OF GOD) and we all know that the fourth beast is Rome

Of course these two old quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit or blame for the change. This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997
---francis on 5/3/12


Rob has his own issues with childhood rebelion of being adopted into a SDA family. Those issues drive his hatred for his real parents and are manifested in hatred for everything the the family who took him in stands for.

All these prophets Including Ellen G White, follow the same biblical standard:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rob can try to judge E G White all he wants, but he first has to deal with WHY he has a grudge against a family who loved him and cared for him and show him the way of Christ: to keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12
---francis on 5/3/12


Pretty familiar with Ellen G and the SDA church - she is not a prophetess - she claimed sunday blue laws are the mark of the beast and described the beast as the papacy - they claim dates of 1260 years as the dark ages, fabricating those dates to justify their doctrines. She has no major prophecies that have come to pass. They influence people because of their stand against tthe corrupt catholic church, bt so what. That is easy to discern, doesn't make her or their modern Amazing Facts ministry prophetic. However, there is som great prophecy at qwakeup dot org
---weatherbill on 5/3/12


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