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Even if Cain was made a giant, that doesn't expain the giants after the flood, nor do the fallen angels.
There was plenty of diversity in the perfect gene pool of Adam and Eve. Even carried through Noah's crew. Goliath was a Philistine-Philistim. He was aso a giant-Rephaim.
Tracing these back through just the male side, we see Noah was his ancestor through Ham and Mizraim, Canaan's brother.
It was all human.
1 Timothy 4
---micha9344 on 5/16/12


You said it.. "the angels IN HEAVEN do not marry."

(Jude 1:6)
And the angels which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation (oiketerion - greek) he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

Theres only one other place in the entire Bible the word oiketerion is used. Thats in 2 Cor 5:2 where the context is clearly about our bodies and how we will have new ones in heaven when we leave these.

The angels apparently left their own heavenly bodies and took on earthly forms. There are numerous Old Testament examples of angels appearing as men. It seems these particular angels didn't ask permission.
---LindaH on 5/16/12


Leon, Touche! / Good point. I will concede to your argument about the giants, but you are the first person I've ever heard say that he believed that God made Cain into a giant after he killed Able. The scriptures simply state that the Lord set a mark upon him. Please give me another scriptural reference for your belief and I will consider it.
---trey on 5/16/12


"...The giants were the result of this mixing..."
---amigodana on 5/15/12


Amigo': Angelkind & mankind making children? Why then hasn't beastiality produced offsprings between humans & animals? Answer: It's impossible!

A more plausible explanation for "giants" is overlooked in Genesis 4. Cain murdered Abel. Afterwards, he was afraid of "every one". So, God set a mark on him ~ "gigantism" ~ to intimidate & make "every one" afraid of trying to kill Cain. It's that simple! :)

"...I tend to go for fallen angels but feel uncomfortable with it..."
---chris on 5/16/12


Chris: Listen to your God-given conscience.
---Leon on 5/16/12


"...The reason for giants is due to the fact that the atmospher was much different. Before the flood everything grew bigger..."
---trey on 5/15/12


Trey: If eveything grew bigger, wouldn't that mean every one grew bigger & they'd all be giants? But, they wouldn't have known they were giants because no one would've been much bigger than any one else.

Oh well! So much for that "big" idea, huh? :)
---Leon on 5/16/12




Amigo': What does "one and only Son" mean? :)

For whatever personal reason, you & others insist (without any tangible or "credible" Bible proof) on Sons of God being angels. This belief seriously distorts & bends towards corrupting Bible truth by trying to add a dimension to Scripture that doesn't exist, e.g, angel-beings (good & bad) have the prerogative to mate with human-beings contrary to God's plan for man & woman to mate exclusively.
---Leon on 5/16/12


Luke 20:36 NASB95
36 for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.


Luk 20:36kJV Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
---chris on 5/16/12


MarkV mentions the three views. It is my belief that the first view he mentioned makes the most sense: Godly men looking on ungodly women and taking them for their wives. Would they be called the Sons of God if they were angels having intercourse with humans? Why would God's ministering spirits desire to have intercourse with humans? How would that even work? They are angels we are people. The angels in heaven do not marry and are not given in marriage.
The reason for giants is due to the fact that the atmospher was much different. Before the flood everything grew bigger. What do you think killed the dinosaurs?
---trey on 5/15/12


Dear Legends, What translation do you use?
KJV = Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
NIV = Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Again notice anything different? only begotten son missing, which could account for your misunderstanding. There are corrupted bibles!!!

Sons of God = Collectively called angels.
Son of God = Singularly called only begotten son.
---amigodana on 5/15/12


Dear Chris, I didn't realize you were asking, my apologies.
Sons of God are the fallen Angels.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
The giants were the result of this mixing. Good boys and bad girls don't produce giants. So he needs to explain Og of Bashan, and Goliath.
---amigodana on 5/15/12




part 3
Pharoah is a god to the Egyptians, called Seth Pedribsen (not Adam's Seth).

If and I was only asking
The Egyptians turned the people from our God and bred with them. The Egyptians had links with Sumer possibly hereditary from which the serpent deity comes from. Standing for sexual desire, rebirth, immortality etc
Thus possibly fulfilling 'men of old renown'
If in the following years the fallen people took on the pagan 'gods'of Egypt. Then Pharoah was god to them
Around 400 years later was the flood where the abomination was destroyed.
I tend to go for fallen angels but feel uncomfortable with it
I respect what Leon is saying also.
Above was a question for discussion not a belief



---chris on 5/16/12


"The statement,'The reason is some are led by their private interpretations & others are led by the Holy Spirit.' is wrong because the Spirit reveals to some what He doesn't reveal to another on any given day..."
---Mark_V. on 5/15/12


There's a missing Lincoln in your speculation Mark_V. If what I said is wrong, then 2 Peter 1:20-21 is also wrong according to your wayward, speculative & unsubstantiated theory.

Amigo': I read many translations. Did you notice, of the two Deutronomy translations you referenced, they both said basically the same thing. Why do you squabble over words if the meaning & intent is the same in essence as the ancient Hebrew manuscripts?
---Leon on 5/16/12


The sons of God are the righteous.
The daughters of men are the pagan.
Og, King of Bashan was a Rephaim, not a Nephilim.
Both words are used in respect to the Anakims and the Emims.
Zuzims (Zamzummim)=Rephaims.
Goliath was a Rephaim.
What strikes me odd is people question the great stature of these nephilim that were destroyed in the Flood, but have no problem with the Nephilim or the Rephaim desceneded from Noah after the Flood.
Curious.
This pre-flood mix did not automatically produce giants.
It is simpe genetics.
You may also notice that most of your -ims came from Mizraim, Canaan's brother, sons of Ham.
The Bible has no link from Noah to Arba, father of Anak.
---micha9344 on 5/16/12


Who are the Sons of God in the Old Testament?
Who are the Sons of God in the New Testament?
---AmigoDana on 5/6/12


FYI, the Sons of God "IN THE BIBLE" are persons who believe (trust in), obey & seek a close (intimate) relationship to Him. Persons who disbelieve, disobey (rebels against) & disassociates themselves relationally from Him are not His Sons. Eloy would probably say, these are people who "dis" God! :)
---Leon on 5/16/12


Amigo, I don't see how it makes any difference other then just learning the interpretation and provide definitions that arise from within the passage or which even adapt to the text. I don't believe in the first view, for many reasons. The line of Seth as a whole was not godly, and we know the Cainite line was godless. Only a handful of the Sethites are said to be godly. The point which Moses makes in Chapt. 5 is that God has preserved a rightous remnant through whom His promises to Adam would be accomplished. By reading the story we can conclude that few were godly in those days (Gen 6:5-7, 12) It seems only Noah and his family could be called righteous at the time of the flood. It there was other godly people God forgot to save them.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/12


Mark good post
Amigo your reasoned argument and patience is appreciated.

Even now I have not put over what I was trying to say in a way that has been understood and that is my fault.I have tried to put a question which really needed a thesis or a fellowship discussion not bloggs. So a lesson learnt.
Thank you everyone for indulging me.
---chris on 5/16/12


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part 2
The text says daughters of men.
Which would imply they are normal humans. It does not say daughters of giants or of Cain.
Leon argues the sons of God would not be contaminated, otherwise they would not be sons of God.


I was asking not stating a belief.
If neither can agree could it be an outside influence?
Egypt from the start of her days has a deity of the serpent. At one particular time. She has 1 pharoah who puts forward Seth (Set) (not Adam's Seth) As the supreme god of Egypt.over throwing Horus.
You could argue that the walls of many buildings, contain many non human entities through their history. Are these a contaminated people?
The pharoah is a god to them.
see part 3
---chris on 5/15/12


Dear Chris, This matters when it also plays a roll in the end times prophecy.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, THEY SHALL MINGLE THEMSELVES WITH THE SEED OF MEN: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
It is paramount to understand.
---amigodana on 5/15/12


Dear Legends, You also have this, Note the emphatic position of son. See on Heb_1:4. In the O.T. son is applied to angels collectively, but never individually. See Psa_29:1, Psa_89:6. Similarly, son is applied to the chosen nation, Exo_4:22, Hos_11:1, but to no individual of the nation.
---amigodana on 5/15/12


Dear Leon, Which translation do you read?
KJV = Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants, behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
NIV = Deu. 3:11 (Og king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaites. His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide.[a] It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.)
Notice anything different?
---amigodana on 5/15/12


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I think we all agree that whatever happened was devestating.
I think we would all agree, since the flood till now we have done some horrific things to each other and God has not destroyed us.
So what happened was huge. Even Enoch's son was probably destroyed in the flood.
I think it would be fair to say that the people had moved far away from God.
If I am wrong please correct me.
Amigo believes the Sons Of God were fallen angels.
Leon Believes they were Sons of Adam's Seph.
So the discussion has gone back and forth.
Leon believes the women of men were contaminated and daughters of Cain.
I think that is right to now.
Please correct me if wrong.
See part 2
---chris on 5/15/12


Dear Legends, a little egg on me, yes two different languages. However we do have two different contexts here. What has God said to Christ? He has said, Sit thou at my right hand, till I make thy enemies thy footstool, Psa_110:1. What has God said to the angels? He never said to them, as he said to Christ, Sit you at my right hand, but he has said of them here that they are ministering spirits. He is not refering to creation of but, The superiority of Christ to the angels appears in this that God never said to the angels what he has said to Christ. This takes more space than I am aloud.
---amigodana on 5/15/12


Amigo, I agree with you answers very much, that interpretation has more proof. The statement,

" The reason is some are led by their private interpretations & others are led by the Holy Spirit."

is wrong because the Spirit reveals to some what He doesn't reveal to another on any given day.
I have studied the three views and view 3, has more proof then the other two in Scripture.
1 View has the merging of the ungodly Cainite with the godly Sethites.
2. View is called the Despot interpretation. Comparing the 'sons of God with the language of the Ancient Near East.
3. View is the Fallen angel interpretation. Angels taking form of masculine human like creatures.
---Mark_V. on 5/15/12


//they were two DIFFERENT words meaning two different things// amigodana

PARTIALLY true!

The word SON in Hebrews 1:5 is Greek. BUT the writer of Hebrews is DIRECTLY quoting Psalm2:7 and 1Chron.17:13 which said the word SON penned in Hebrew using the word BANE.
The very word YOU SAY, "means two different things". NOT TRUE according to the writer of Hebrews. The Bible proves itself.
Here, SON in Greek is the same SON in Hebrew. Two different languages, same meaning!
TRY AGAIN! Explain away an Apostle's writings in Hebrews1:5.

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say,
You are my SON, today I have become your Father?
OR again,
I will be his Father, and he will be my SON"
---Legends on 5/15/12


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"...[I didn't imply]... the Seths are the same..."

Really?! Why did you "put forward the thought"?

"...read the books outside canon, which give a little more information, whether right or wrong. Something you have to decide."

Really?! Are you seeking to know God's truth or just looking for more "info", right or wrong?

"...[Some] argue canon inspired by God & others...say canon inspired by Constantine...

What do you say?

"...I doubt the differences will be settled anytime soon."
---chris on 5/15/12


Chris: It will be decided when God separates the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats!!!
---Leon on 5/15/12


"...my challenge [is]...to study...the Word of God in its original...context (the Hebrew text). [You've chosen] to ignore [it] or [may've] simply overlooked. [Regardless]...so many different translations, all...[using] different words, I [think it's] imperative...to study the oldest texts available. So you must admit...You As Well Are Guilty of trusting in the interpretations of men..."
---amigodana on 5/14/12


Amigo': Let's "set" the record straight. :) 1.) "Simply" speaking, you're going in circles. 2.) I don't I trust the interpretations of men. But, I'm confident God's guiding hand has been & is yet upon people who "TRANSLATE" the Bible from the oldest existing manuscripts.
---Leon on 5/15/12


Leon
Nowhere have I implied that the Seths are the same person, those are your words not mine.

I sometimes put forward a thought not a belief to be discussed.
When we talk of canon,in Genesis we have almost 1600 years between the fall of Adam and Noah with virtually nothing.
Unless you read the books outside canon, which give a little more information, whether right or wrong. Something you have to decide.

There are those who argue canon inspired by God and others who say canon inspired by Constantine and his supporters.

Two of the oldest churches still contain the likes of Enoch as scripture.
I doubt the differences will be settled anytime soon.
---chris on 5/15/12


Now Concerning the giants, How is it that just simply being good men and bad daughters produce giants?
Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants, behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
That is 12 ft.
Line of Seth theory doesn't make sense.
---amigodana on 5/15/12


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Dear Legend, AGAIN we must then resort to the original Hebrews text to answer your question. Gen. 6 - Son = bane
and in Hebrews 1:5 the original word there for Son = hwee-os' as you can well see they were two DIFFERENT words meaning two different things. I am not making an argument against an apostle, I am making an argument against man's translations. As Leon has clearly pointed out "Do not rely upon the finite (limited cognitive) interpretations of mere men over the leading & biblical teaching of Infinite (Unlimited) God, the Holy Spirit."
---amigodana on 5/14/12


Part 1:Scriptures:
Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Num_13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu_2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims, but the Moabites call them Emims.
---amigodana on 5/14/12


If your ancestors were dramatically outliving your siblings, you might consider them gods as well.
Gen 11:11a And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years...
Gen 11:19a And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years...(great-great-grandfather Shem still had 162 years left before he would die.)
Gen 11:25a And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years...
(Terah's 8th generation father, Shem is still alive, well into Egyptian times.)
I know your talking about Seth, not Shem.
Seth and Methuselah lived on earth together for around 355 years.
Methuselah and the sons of Noah lived on earth together for around 100 years.
How much has your grandfather told you about his grandfather?
---micha9344 on 5/14/12


Dear Leon, If you can not except the simple challenges set before you. Then this discussion can only result into circular arguing. This of course is not my intent, as I love all as my brothers in Christ. Part of my challenge was to study just that, the Word of God in its original context ( the Hebrew text). You have either decided to ignore that part or you may have simply overlooked. Either way with so many different translations, all of whom use different words, I find that it is imperative (as do many scholars and theologians) to study the oldest texts available. So you must admit that You As Well Are Guilty of trusting in the interpretations of men. Hence, my plea for objectiveness and cognitive thinking!
---amigodana on 5/14/12


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chapter 6
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Genesis talks of the flesh of man, beast and earth being corrupted.
Put the angels aside
put the Egyptians in a pyramid.
put things slightly differently.
The son's of God *Seth's people?
Come down to the children of man *pagans?
Giving birth to men of old reknown who are what?
Giants?
If both parties are human where do the
abominations come from?
Because God is going to finish the world over this. So it is mega.
---chris on 5/14/12


Okay Chris: From what you've said, do you believe Moses (the one time Prince of Egypt, who was inspired by God to pen Genesis) may've thought this Egyptian mythological false god "Set" was Adam's son Seth? If that's what you believe, then I suppose you think the Bible is also mythology?

Are you a christian? You're swimming in a polluted pool Chris.
---Leon on 5/14/12


Leon

Attributes: Early in Egyptian history, Seth is spoken of in terms of reverence as the god of wind and storms. He was even known as the Lord of Upper Egypt. Horus being the Lord of Lower Egypt. Also known as Set.
---chris on 5/14/12


"...I['ve] looked at all that you have asked & it [isn't] what you say...[I'm] not offering private interpretation...the majority of the church fathers (Ante-Nicene Fathers)...agree with my interpretation... Lets try to be objective here & use some cognitive thinking!"
---amigodana on 5/14/12


:D?!

Dear Amigo': You abundantly make my point as you erroneously lift up & rely upon the finite (limited cognitive) interpretations of mere men over the leading & biblical teaching of Infinite (Unlimited) God, the Holy Spirit. (John 14:26) Again, it's not about about what you, I or anyone else says friend. It's all about what God says! :)
---Leon on 5/14/12


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"For to which of the angels did God EVER say,
You are my Son, today I have become your Father?
OR again,
I will be his Father, and he will be my Son" HEBREWS 1:5

When any blogger, teacher or anyone else believes:

...In Genesis and Job, the term SONS OF GOD means angels.

That person makes an argument AGAINST the apostle who was led by the Holy Spirit to write Hebrews1:5.

If you must make your argument then at least first explain away your contradiction with an apostle's writings. It's a simple fair request.
---Legends on 5/14/12


"In Egypt there is a diety known as Seth...These could be the sons of Seth."
---chris on 5/14/12


Aaaaaaa Chris, that's "SETI" not "Seth"! Also, the other word you were groping for is "deity", not "diety". :D!!!!

By the way, are you related to (a son of) Emily Litella? :)
---Leon on 5/14/12


The Bible says basically that the sons of God lusted after human women and human women in general. It did not state a tribe. Most human men can get a woman.In which case why is this such a major event that corrupts all flesh,man and beast?
Genesis ch 7
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
In Egypt there is a diety known as Seth. The author of chaos and foreigners.
Just after Jared comes to reign there is a short period,where Peribsen still rules. He has made the ruling God Seth. There is a period round 2719bc, when he could of invaded. These could be the sons of Seth.
see part 2.
---chris on 5/14/12


Dear Chris, Yes, you are right if even Enoch who did not die but was taken "because he walked with God" was not called a Son of God. Or even Noah. So how did Seth and only Seth through out the entire old testament warrant such a grand Title? Simple Challenge: Search Irish Giant in Google Image search, There is a mummy propped against a train car - pic. was taken before photo shop existed. Clue: He was one of the Nephilim (Giants) spoken of.
---amigodana on 5/14/12


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Dear Leon, Math. 18:20 God = Omnipresence - is the property of being present everywhere. Omnipotent - knows every thing and can be and act everywhere, simultaneously. Omnipresence and Omnipotent are difficult concepts to internalize. Please try. This is what this verse is saying, not a direct link to what you suggest. Lets keep the verses in context. Objectiveness and cognitive thinking, please.
---amigodana on 5/14/12


part 2
Seth started off as a good deity who became corrupted by evil. It is told he was jealous and killed his brother.
The rise of Seth under Peribsen was not popular and only really lasted for his reign as the supreme being. Ra at this point had not taken supremecy. Normally Horus Seth's nephew was god of the up and coming Egyptians.
If Jared's people were over run and took on the Egyptian gods,then the invaders
could be sons of Seth.
It would not take a lot in 100's of years for it to be mis-construed as Adam's Seth and become Sons Of God.
Just a thought.
Take into account Adam's Seth had been dead over 200 years at this point.
---chris on 5/14/12


Dear Leon, I have looked at all that you have asked, and it just is not what you say, I am not offering private interpretation, after all even the majority of the church fathers (Ante-Nicene Fathers - from the earliest church age) agree with my interpretation. I have challenged you too look at, use and research, what the closest to original Hebrew texts and definitions say. After all, we don't have the true originals. But you wont do that. Have you ever looked into when the theory - Line of Seth - first started and where it originated? Lets try to be objective here, and use some cognitive thinking!
---amigodana on 5/14/12


In Genesis we are told that at 65 years Enoch walked with God for 300 years and then ascended.
Walked with God meaning following the will of God.
The same term is used in reference to Noah.
Would Enoch and Noah be classed as sons of God?
Did the others fail God?
Methulseelah was the leader when God decided to punish the world. Yet God went to Noah.



---chris on 5/14/12


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Amigo' & Chris: You choose to believe inaccurately regardless of what the Bible actually says. I'm not trying to convince either of you of anything. Scripture speaks for itself. Please pay attention, hear & adhere to the truth.

"...Job... says the sons of God CAME TO PRESENT themselves before the Lord, not the Lord came here..."
---amigodana on 5/13/12

Amigo': Read Matt. 18:20. Hopefully, you'll then understand Job in context.

"This is why bible believing Christians cant agree amongst themselves, different translations..."
---amigodana on 5/13/12


Not true! The reason is some are led by their private interpretations & others are led by the Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 5/14/12


Dear Leon, Please show me in Job 38:7 where it says anything of man,(Please include the original Hebrew text and definition.)that you see. A true study of the bible should always include these. Sons of God is a common place title not a reference too choice as in whether you choose to do good or bad(obedient or not).
---amigodana on 5/14/12


Some of my posts are missing which is making my part in this conversation not completely clear. maybe they will post later, I hope!
---amigodana on 5/13/12


Leon
If that was so then it would say
the sons of God came to the daughters of Cain.
Hebrews and King James said they came to the daughters of men. The Seer says the daughters of humans.
This seems to imply the sons Of God were not human. Otherwise why make such clear distinction?
The thing is everything is corrupted both man and beast. God wants to make an end to it, then finds Noah.
Look at recorded history and the horrific things we as a race have done. God has not exacted such punishment on us as the flood.
Why?
What would of corrupted both man and beast?
To bring such devestation
---chris on 5/14/12


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Dear Leon, even your own words are contradictory "God created the Arch-angel Lucifer, as a perfect (flawless) being, with the free-will ability to choose to do good or evil."
Are you then saying God can have good and bad sons? Are you then saying that the Sons of God in Gen. 6 could also be bad angels(Lucifer)?
---amigodana on 5/13/12


Dear Chris, I read the KJV bible and that's not what it says. I really don't want to digress into another topic here.
This is why bible believing Christians cant agree amongst themselves, different translations = different meanings. Satan is is good at corrupting, lying, and deceiving. Caution to all.
---amigodana on 5/13/12


Line of Seth Theory = I challenge anyone to show a verse that connects Seth and being a son of God? Its just not there! There are only 8 verses in the bible referring to Seth, and none them say he was a Son of God!
---amigodana on 5/13/12


If You read Isiah in context you will see that son of the morning star refers to the king of Babylon not a fallen angel.
How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 13 You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven, above the stars of God I will set my throne on high, I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north, 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High. 15 But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. 16 Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: Is this the MAN who made the earth tremble,
If you read the chapters around it you will see even more clearly.
---chris on 5/13/12


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"...The book of Enoch is not biblical...The bible proves itself!!!!..."
---amigodana on 5/13/12


I agree, the boE isn't part of the canon of Scripture. Line-upon-line, precept-upon-precept, the Bible adequately & contextually speaks for itself.

"There are so many verses in the bible that attest to...angels as sons of God..."
---amigodana on 5/13/12


Job 38:7, clearly talks about the pre-existence of man & I can see how "obedient" angels would be referred to as sons of God. But, Jude 1:6 speaks of angels who "rebelled" against God & Gen. 6:2 is about godly men in Seth's lineage (NOT ANGELS) mating with daughters of unbelievers (likely of Cain's line).
---Leon on 5/13/12


Jude 1.6,7 etc
Is more to do with Enoch,than anyone else.

9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
Ah yes now I quote Revelation.
No I don't
Book 1 Enoch existing copy dated around 300 BC.
Part of the judgement of man, written some 350 years before Revelation.
Also in the Parables the earliest copy we have said to be about 100 years before Revelation. There is judgement.
Throughout both many similarities to the later work of Revelation. Including the Messiah
Enoch is not just fallen angels.
Enoch is and will remain controversial
---chris on 5/13/12


Dear Leon, I beg to differ in Job it clearly says the sons of God CAME TO PRESENT themselves before the Lord, not the Lord came here. I think it is possible that you are misunderstanding the part where it says, Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, FROM GOING TO AND FRO IN THE EARTH, and from walking up and down in it. That is in the past he came form the earth to present himself to the Lord.
---amigodana on 5/13/12


People, I agree lets forget the book of Enoch. After all I don't require outside sources to prove the bible. The book of Enoch is not biblical, at the very best it may be an early attempt at a commentary. The bible proves itself!!!!
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
---amigodana on 5/13/12


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There are so many verses in the bible that attest to the angels as sons of God. Such as
Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
This verse is also in reference to Gen. 6
---amigodana on 5/13/12


"I see...some are alluding to the fact that because satan is evil...God [didn't] create him. Are you...saying...the bible is wrong[?]...since [you're] saying...God [didn't] create Satan...that leaves only one other outcome...satan is... equal with God...."
---amigodana on 5/12/12


"I see" that you have it horribly twisted. You don't understand God created the Arch-angel Lucifer, as a perfect (flawless) being, with the free-will ability to choose to do good or evil. But, Lucifer corrupted himself by choosing to do evil instead of good. Consequently, Lucifer & his followers were exiled out of heaven (NEVER TO RETURN), & became known as the devil & satan (a false accuser, slanderer, liar, etc.).
---Leon on 5/13/12


"...the book of [J]ob attests to that after all Satan was with them, angels, that is sons of God..."
---amigodana on 5/12/12


That's not true Amigo'! :) Lucifer (satan, the devil) & his angels were exiled from God's Heaven. So, Satan is unable to go there at will.

The "sons of God" (Job 1:6) were men (believers, worshippers) of God. Job was one of them. They assembled themselves for synagogue/church-like worship of the Lord. Then, as it is today, Satan came in among them.

Job 1:6-12 shows God came down to earth & talked with Satan who had been going to & fro in it. Job & other sons of God were unaware of the presence of both the Spirit of God & the spirit being Satan.
---Leon on 5/13/12


The bible says God created everything, Adam (Son of God), and angels (Sons of God). And yes the book of job attests to that after all Satan was with them, angels, that is sons of God. Now we as humans can have bad sons or good sons. God as well can have bad sons and good sons.( Freewill and choice = True Love) Otherwise how do you explain the fallen angel lucifer. He was created by God, hence a bad son. The New Testament adopts us as sons of God, and yet there is still evil in the world so there you again have bad sons. God gave humans the free will to choose between good and evil. And it would appear that because lucifer fell from grace, angels also can choose between good and evil. Good Sons, Bad Sons still Gods creation, Sons of God.
---amigodana on 5/12/12


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I see that some are alluding to the fact that because satan is evil that God did not create him. Are you then saying that the bible is wrong " In the beginning God created". So, since your saying that God did not create Satan, well, that leaves only one other outcome that satan is then equal with God. And you have fallen for satans plan.
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most High.
---amigodana on 5/12/12


Oh and as for the translation of sons of God in Job 2:1.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons - (H1121 bane - a son) God - (H430 el-o-heem' - of the supreme God) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Translation from the strongs concordance.
---amigodana on 5/12/12


Gen 1:1-31 Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(everything)!
Isa_14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Satan created chose evil = bad son)
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. (Sons of God = Angels)
Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (Jesus's death / washing of the blood man is adopted)
---amigodana on 5/12/12


Actually Enoch refers to the children of heaven.

Despite that Genesis gives a strong indication that the sons of God were not human.
How so?
Both Hebrews and King James tell you the sons of God came unto the daughters of men.
in the Seer its the daughters of humans.
They all make the point of stating very clearly the daughters were human. Which leads one to believe the sons of God were not. Otherwise why state the obvious 'the daughters of men'. Why make such a clear distinction between the two?
Also God is upset by this union.
---chris on 5/13/12


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And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly:
Enoch 1 earliest copy in existence around 300 bc.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands,
Revelation 5.11

And there I saw One who had a head of days, And His head was white like wool,
Enoch Parable ch 46 earliest copy 1st cen bc.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,
Revelation 1.14
---chris on 5/13/12


There is a new CN blog question that asks, "Where is it written...the bible should only have 66 books? Who... & when was it determined that the bible should only have 66 books?"

Because of extrabiblical books, like the Book of Enoch, many well-meaning (I assume) Christians have gotten Scripture twisted when it comes to who are the sons of God.

I agree Francis, beings who are in rebellion to God certainly aren't sons of God. Their father is the devil & they seek to add to ( & even subtract from) the Bible in efforts to sabotage (destroy), by confusion, the overall good news (gospel) of Jesus Christ.
---Leon on 5/12/12


OLD or NEW, sons fo God are ONLY those who serve and worship God.
---francis on 5/7/12


-New Testament: The first created son of God is ADAM(see Luke 3:38).
At one period of time Jesus was THE ONLY begotton Son of God(see John 1:14)

After the defeat of death, Jesus, through covenant, brings all(male and female) who believe on His name into sonship(full privileges of being heirs of God). SEE John 1:12-13)
Also 1John3:1,2 state that Now WE(the church) are the sons of God.
Heb2:10-14 Jesus was the ONE but we are the "many" sanctified sons and the BRETHREN(brothers) that are now ONE with the sanctifier(Jesus).
---Legends on 5/7/12


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Rod4Him, Not Many think that, but only the NonChristians whom read NonBiblical material think that.
---Eloy on 5/7/12


Part 2
Old Testament: The term Sons of God ALWAYS refers to humans. NEVER ANGELS despite the way it appears through traditional teachings.
This is confirmed by an apostle in Hebrew1:5 "Which angel(any angel) did God EVER SAY, this angel is my son..."
The obvious answer is there isn't one single angel written about in the Bible that God EVER called "son".
Genesis 6 would have to speak contrary to Hebrew in order for anyone to say, sons refers to angels, not humans.
Job chapters 1 and 38 have been said to refer to angels. There are interpretations of those chapters that line up contextually with the writer of Hebrews.
Interested? I'll repost my studies of those "sons of God" references found in Job.
---Legends on 5/7/12


Sons of God in the Old Testament...

From Genesis 6 many think that the sons of God were fallen angels that produced giants--refer to I Enoch, The Book of Watchers.
---Rod4Him on 5/7/12


"sons of God" were men from God, like Cain was.
O.T.lit.Hb: "There were tyrants in the world in those days: for after that the sons of God had gone to the daughters of men and had born to them, the same were the mightiest of the world and men well-known." Gn.6:4.
N.T.: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, to them that believe on his name: which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Jn.1:12,13.
---Eloy on 5/7/12


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SONS of God ARE NOT "sons of men" (they are products OF GOD, not the result of MAN'S teachings).

Psalm 53:2 "to see if there are any that are wise, that seek after God".
also Deuteronomy 32:8.

They realize that Jesus was often speaking to OTHER PEOPLE 2,000 years ago (they know what is relevant to us today) and only care about "Christ and Him crucified" (the "doctrine of Christ", 2 John 1:9). Because Jesus ended the age of time ("the fulness of time") and began the age of ETERNITY, they live the ETERNAL SABBATH (The LORD'S DAY).

We have been lied to about many things because the 6th day creation (man) wants to play the role of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (3 sixes).
---more_excellent_way on 5/7/12


I don't know about the Old Testament, but there is only one Son of God in the New Testament and that is Jesus.
---Catholicus on 5/7/12


In the NT, the "SONS" of God are all the ungrateful and selfish masters of themselves who relate to God as "Abba Father" instead of "master" and have no need of "COMMANDS" (because they are LOVERS OF GOODNESS) nor will they "pray to" (CALL OUT) to God (

Titus 1:8 "lover of goodness, master of himself".

Romans 8:15...also Galatians 4:6.
"the spirit of sonship. When we cry, "Abba! Father!".

Luke 6:35 "he is kind to the ungrateful and the selfish".
They read the "word of truth" and use it correctly to glorify the "word of God".

Acts 13:48 "they were glad and glorified the word of God".
---more_excellent_way on 5/7/12


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