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Atheist,

Empirical science entails an observer i.e. the scientist. Sorry, mate, but exactly how many evolutionists were around to see when/how that semi-fish, not quite yet amphibian crawled out of the sea?
---Marc on 5/21/12


Your " marriage" "wedding"
"ceremony" "wife" arguement is not a good one, Let it go

But tell me more about:
However, the result is not the same, because even if such creatures contained no carbon 14, the moment they ate anything, they would soon acquire the same amount as is in the atmosphere, and THAT would rapidly achieve equilibrium after creation.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12

If I understand you right, all creatures would have the same amount of carbon 14 so we could not tell which was older?
---francis on 5/21/12


Warwick,

This quote is my evidence. The creation site does not use science, it uses belief, pure and simple. How could this: "The first chapters of Genesis leave us in no doubt whatsoever about how God created the universe. On the six successive days of creation, God spoke and what He said happened," be considered "science"?

There is no "science" in this quote, article, or anywhere else on the website.

God spoke and then it happened? Is that a serious scientific explanation?
---atheist on 5/21/12


Warwick:

If someone says something happened in a particular way, and you just believe it at face value, that is faith, not science.

This doesn't mean it's wrong - but it does mean it isn't scientific.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12


Atheist, please explain to me what you think "science" is? Where does "science" come from?
Science says fire is a chemical reaction that results in heat and light. The Bible says God spoke light into existence. So, would fire still be fire if there was no light?
Science is no more than man's reaction to what God has done even though there are some like you who try to disprove what is in front of their faces.
If you'd like to speak to a real scientist contact me and I'll put you in contact with one.
---Elder on 5/22/12




Atheist, your efforts are feeble to say the least. I see no "bad science" in what Russell has written. He is telling us what the Bible says. It appears your definition of "bad science" is anything which does not correspond with your unscientific beliefs.

I am still waiting for you to back up your claim that there is "bad science" upon the Creation website. However I am sure it will be a long wait as if there was any you would have provided evidence by now.
---Warwick on 5/21/12


Creationhow did God do it?

by Russell M. Grigg

The first chapters of Genesis leave us in no doubt whatsoever about how God created the universe. On the six successive days of creation, God spoke and what He said happened.

Warwick,

What part of scientific applies to the above? Where on the site do you find any science?
---atheist on 5/21/12


francis:

I did not say they wereN'T husband and wife. The Bible says they were. Only that they did not "get married" (i.e. transition from a time when they weren't husband and wife, to a later time when they were).

All chickens come from eggs, and vice versa - EXCEPT the very first one.

"Characteristic age" is a similar argument to "Did God create Adam with a navel?". However, the result is not the same, because even if such creatures contained no carbon 14, the moment they ate anything, they would soon acquire the same amount as is in the atmosphere, and THAT would rapidly achieve equilibrium after creation.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12


StrongAxe, if you think it through marriage is not the event. Marriage is what occurs at the event, the joining of a man and a woman. As Jesus says "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."' This is marriage, and as Jesus says it occurred first with Adam and Eve-literally one flesh. It is for this reason prostitution and fornication are condemned. 'Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two will become one flesh."' Paul quoting Jesus in 1 Corinthians 6:16.
---Warwick on 5/21/12


I am very saddened that so many people who say that they are christians would say that adam and eve were not married.

Anyway, my point was that the characterist age of creation, is not the chonological age.

Take for example a checken.
which came first the chicken or the egg.

God never spoke about making eggs, he spoke about making birds.

which means that chickens at creation having not come from eggs, were characteristically older than they were chronologically.

And in my view, this characteristic difference maybe what explain carbon dating.
---francis on 5/20/12




francis:

I was distinguishing "wife" which refers to a continous state (i.e. being under a convenant), and "marriage" which is an event (i.e. entering into that covenant). Some of the scriptures you quoted say "wife" but NONE say "marriage". Usually, "being married" requires "getting married" (i.e. the ceremony) because people don't START OUT as husband and wife. But as Eve was CREATED Adam's wife, there was no need for them to "get married".

Similarly, most are "born" to their mothers - but Adam and Eve were not, as they were directly CREATED as living beings.

Again, this is all splitting hairs.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


It would seem that the Bible detractors are intent on attacking every institution created by God. They have run out of silly arguments on the blog question at hand, and instead derail the train of thought onto an irrelevant detour. They have attacked God's account of a fiat creation, the establishment of the seven-day week and holiness of the Sabbath Day, and now they are attacking His institution of marriage. What's next? His appointment of a vegetarian diet?

The really sad thing is that these detractors actually believe that they are Bible-believing Christians.
---jerry6593 on 5/21/12


StrongAxe, 'marriage' means the coming together or 2 things, a blending, in human terms becoming "one flesh." It has a wider application than a man and a woman becoming one flesh in a covenant relationship before God.

My previous quote from Matthew 19 included "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."' Jesus defines this as marriage. Surely good enough any Christian?

The marriage covenant is covered in Scripture e.g. Proverbe 2:17, Ezekiel 16:8, 59-62, Hosea 2:16-20, Malachi 2:14, and of course Matthew 19:5,6.
---Warwick on 5/20/12


francis:

Maybe God created her as his wife. Genesis doesn't say (among the many other things it doesn't mention).

Adam had no mother, so how was he alive as he was never born? God created him alive without the need of being born - which means he probably didn't have a belly button.

However, both of these issues are totally irrelevant hair-splitting. Does it really matter if Adam and Eve had a wedding ceremony? They couldn't have had two witnesses (as is usually required). Who were their best man and maid of honor? These and other similar questions are totally irrelevant, especially in this context, since their marital status has no bearing on the age of the earth, which is, in fact, the topic of this particular blog.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


The questions about whether Adam and Eve were married is suprising to me. If your church does not teach that Adam and Eve were married that is sad.

I would urgue those who have posted that Adam and Eve were not married to consider your motives for this.

It is rather childish to oppose anything and everything that someone who is not of your denomination posts.
---francis on 5/20/12


\\ "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?\\

francis, what mother does Adam leave?

cluny, scripture calls eve his wife.
---aka on 5/20/12


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\\ "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?\\

Isaac never left his father Abraham. Was he really married to Rebecca?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/12


jerry6593, "that'll never happen."
..."Then you will never be saved, nor be my brother, nor be able to enter into the Kingdom of our Lord."
---Eloy on 5/20/12


StrongAxe on 5/20/12

No marriage, then how did she become his wife:
Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again,
---francis on 5/20/12


StrongAxe on 5/20/12

No marriage, then how did she become his wife:
Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again,

Do not confuse married with wedding: Things were simplier back then:

Genesis 24:67 And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife

same story with Leah, rachel and Jacob
---francis on 5/20/12


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francis:

"married" is the past participle of the verb "to marry". There is no mention in Genesis that any kind of wedding took place between Adam and Eve, nor was there any tradition in place at that time for them to do so implicitly.

So, even though she was his wife, they were not necessarily "married".

One can similarly split inconsequential hairs about whether Adam had a belly button (not likely, since, by a strict reading of Genesis 1, no woman ever gave birth to him, so he would not have had an umblicial cord), or many other meaningless questions of fact.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


Cluny, see Matthew 19:4-6 'He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."' That's marriage.

Interestingly Jesus the Creator here says man was made at the beginning, not after millions or billions of years. He puts paid to the long-ages belief. He also puts paid to the idea that Genesis ch's one and two are two different, and conflicting accounts of creation as He quotes from Genesis 1:27, and 2:24 with no hint of any such thing.
---Warwick on 5/20/12


Eloy: "Read it, accept it, and move on."

That'll never happen! Do you really believe anyone here takes you seriously? I certainly don't. Get a grip, will you? Your silly theories are as illogical as they are unbiblical. Good grief!


---jerry6593 on 5/20/12


Right on Francis, "Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
Cluny please give us the BCV that says you were ever born......
Adam full grown?... you bet'cha, he named all of the animals bet most of us can't name half of them. Are you smarter than a 5th grader? Guess not...
---Elder on 5/19/12


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Please give BCV where it says that Adam and Eve were actually married.
---Cluny on 5/19/12

Change you name from cluny to clueless please


Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Now back to the blog:
So Adam was characteristically onler than he was chronologically. So was everything which God created.

It would therefore not suprisse me, that carbon dating would in fact show that plant life was much older than the earth. Since carbon dating looks for characteristic decay and not chronological.
---francis on 5/19/12


\\How do i know that adam was an adult:
He got married later that same day he was created, he could speak, he could reason. he could walk, all adult characteristics.\\

Please give BCV where it says that Adam and Eve were actually married.

And of course, children NEVER speak, reason, or walk, now do they?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/12


And how did they photosynthesize without the sun?

Without the sun's heat and light they would have frozen to death.
---Cluny on 5/19/12

you are kidding right?
Yeah you are just pulling our foot

Plants do not need the sun to live, they need LIGHT.
Before God made the sun he made LIGHT.

I knew you were just kidding

Good one clunly, nice joke to act like you are clueless
---francis on 5/19/12


---StrongAxe on 5/19/12
How do i know that adam was an adult:
He got married later that same day he was created, he could speak, he could reason. he could walk, all adult characteristics.

as to the plants with fruit:
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

So the trees had fruit on day one, which usualy takes five years from day of planting

Redwoods today live hundreds of years, not thousands or millions. Has something changed?

God never created anything to die. All death is a result of sin
---francis on 5/19/12


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\\The plants were supernaturally created fully grown (just like man) one day before the sun.\\

And how did they photosynthesize without the sun?

Without the sun's heat and light they would have frozen to death.

\\So chonologically Adam was one day old and " characteristically" he was an adult.\\

Was he?

On what warrant of scripture do you claim that Adam was an adult?

Why could he not have been created as a young child? After all, what harm would have befallen him before the Fall? It is just as scriptural to claim this.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/12


francis:

How do you know plants created in Genesis 1 had fruits ready to eat, Adam was created as an adult, fruit bearing trees had "5 year characteristic", and "the redwood may have characteristically been millons of years old"??

Redwoods today live hundreds of years, not thousands or millions. Has something changed?

Genesis says none of this. Where do you get this stuff?



Eloy:

Psalm 90:4 mentions "a thousand years in thy sight".

2 Peter 3:8 says "... a thousand years as one day.

God's sight is everywhere, not just in heaven. Your addition of "heaven" and "earth" is pure conjecture on your part.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/12


The plants were supernaturally created fully grown (just like man) one day before the sun.
---jerry6593 on 5/19/12
AMEN

No one can say that Adam when created, had the " characteristics" of a new born. He could speak, reason, walk, and such.

The plants also which God created did not have the " characteristis" of seedlings or sapplings. They had fruit ready to eat

So chonologically Adam was one day old and " characteristically" he was an adult.
Chronologically the plants were one day old, but " characteristically" they were mature.

Fruit bearinng trees had 5 year characteristic, the non-fruit bearing trees the redwood may have characteristically been millons of years old
---francis on 5/19/12


Jerry, Not only is my posting viable, it is Truth. Read it, accept it, and move on. God says: 1000 years upon the eart is equal to one day to him in heaven. Read it, accept it, and move on. God said, in the day you eat of this tree Adam, you will surely die. He ate, and then died 930 years later. Read it, accept it, and move on. Why did Adam not live passed 1000 years? Because God said his day is equal to 1000 years on earth, and Adam ate of the fruit which God prophesied that when he does, on that day he will surely die. Read it, accept it, and move on.
---Eloy on 5/19/12


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I have worked out the passing and rule of each leader from Adam to Noah going by the data Usher calculated. Which says Adam was born 4004.
Adam born 4004
passed 3074
Enoch 3017 Ascended NR
Seth 2962
Enos 2864
Cain 2769
Mahal 2714
Jared 2582
lamarch 2353 NR never ruled
Meth' 2348 Flood
Noah 1998
Enoch and Noah are the only ones mentioned as having walked with God. Which I see as following the way of God.
I calculated this from Genesis and I am sure someone will be quick to point out if I have made an error on my maths.
Its the date of death and the period inbetween is the rule.
hope it is of interest.
---chris on 5/19/12


Francis: "but plants are characteristically millions of years old."

Now where did you get that? According to Scripture, God spoke the vegetation into existence on the third 24-hour day of Creation. If He took millions of years to speak it, He must have an awful speech impediment. The plants would not have survived millions of years of darkness (evening) or light (morning). The plants were supernaturally created fully grown (just like man) one day before the sun.


---jerry6593 on 5/19/12


Eloy: Your timeline theory is not viable. You insist that Creation days are 1000 years long, when God goes to the trouble to explain (in Gen, Exo, and Deu) that they are ordinary days consisting of evenings and mornings and are to be used to define a work/rest week. You give rise to the impossibility that vegetation can survive 500 years of darkness or sunlight. You might well also have misused the following verse - but why?:

Eze 4:6 .... I have appointed thee each day for a year.

If you were the god you claim to be, then you would believe yourself when you say that you created in six DAYS - not 6000 YEARS!


---jerry6593 on 5/19/12


//"it is if I say it is." Nope, youM are mistaken. For when a liar says "up is down, and down is up", it does not make it so only because the liar said so.
---Eloy on 5/19/12


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1 day=1000 yrs: Ps.90:4+ II Pt.3:8+ Gn.2:16,17+ 5:5.
Adam created on 6th day: Gn.1:26,31.
At the end of 6th day of the week, after all the land creatures created, being Friday before the sabbath, Adam was made: Gn.1:24-26,31.
Abib, April in spring, Adam was made: Gn.1:31+ 2:7-9,15+ Ex.12:2+ Dt.16:1.
For the year, add up all of the genealogies (from when the fathers sired their sons) and count them backwards, and we come to 4190 B.C. when Adam was made (ref: Adam at 130 years had Seth (Gn.5:3) Seth at 105 years had Enosh (Gn.5:6) Enosh at 90 years had Kenan (Gn.5:9), and so on through the whole old testament). Then 6000 is added to 4190 (for the 6th day, and being 1000 years to 1 day), and we get 10190 B.C. when the world was made.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


Phillip, the Biblical genealogies give a timeline from Adam to Jesus, covering about 4,000 years. And the Bible says Adam was created on the 6th day. Add this to the time-line from Jesus until today, and you get C6,000 years. There may be unmentioned gaps but I am confident they would only add a few thousand years. See Genesis ch's 5, Adam to Noah, 11 Shem to Abraham, etc.

Some say the ages given from father to son are not meant to ge taken as written. Then what are they there for?
---Warwick on 5/18/12


Phillip,

Go to Luke's, Chronicles' and Genesis' geneaologies and lists of years, add up the years (they all go back to Adam), add 6 days, and bango, you have your evidence.

Don't forget, they didn't have BC 2,000+ years ago so they had to provide and record via another absolute measuring device - people's ages.
---Marc on 5/18/12


Someone please show me a scripture that gives a date for the creation or tells us how hold the earth is? Lacking such a scripture, only by interpreting the Bible can one imply an age. The Bible I trust, interpretations can be wrong.
---Phillip_Hicks on 5/18/12


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\\cluny, you post falsehood, and also "youm" aint a word 'cuz my mama said it aint.
---Eloy on 5/18/12\\

It is if I say it is.

Isn't that what youm say about yourm misuse of "whom" for "who?"

I have better things to do than to listen to your unsaved mama.

Besides, I've asked youm before NOT to respond to my postings.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


Atheist the other blog closed before you had an opportunity to prove that you are not an evasive maker of false claims, so:

Give a specific example of "bad science" on the Creation website, or have the integrity to admit you are wrong. I am sure you will rise to defend your sullied reputation!

What would convince you that God spoke the world into existence?
---Warwick on 5/18/12


cluny, you post falsehood, and also "youm" aint a word 'cuz my mama said it aint.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


Cluny, C14 testing is notoriously innacurate when tested upon items of known age. However its half life is a known meaning by c80,000 years no measurable c14 remains. Therefore if any testable amount remains the item cannot be more than C80,000 years old. Therefore the diamonds are not 100,000years old, let alone billions. This proves another part of the long-ages story is wrong.

That the chemical ratios were interpreted as 58,000 years does not mean the diamonds are 58,000 years old as events in history (such as the flood, industrialization, atomic testing, varying levels of cosmic radiation) have changed the C14/C12 ratio in the atmosphere.

The point is the billions of years don't exist.
---Warwick on 5/18/12


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\\12,202 years old. Yes, God says so in the Holy Scripture.
---Eloy on 5/18/12\\

No, He doesn't

Youm are deluded.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


12,202 years old. Yes, God says so in the Holy Scripture.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


\\However a tests upon diamonds disclosed C14, aged at 58,000 years. How then can these diamonds be billions of years old?\\

If C14 indicates these diamonds are 58K years old, that's certainly older than only 6,000 years.

And the 58K age indicates only when the diamond was formed, not the earth.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


carbon dating is a very inaccurate way of dating any sample that a) we don't know how much carbon it started with, b) we don't know if it has been contaminated since it was placed where we found it, and c) we don't know if anything like heat or pressure variances changed the rate of decay during that time period.
Basically, carbon dating is only a verification of what is already known from many other dating methods, such as the tree rings.
If one has faith and beief in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Why not take Him at His Word?
Does it not say 6 days He created?
Why elevate man's thoughts over God's Word?
When trying to compromise the two beliefs, which one do you think gets 'reinterpretted', God's Word or man's opinion?
---micha9344 on 5/18/12


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The age of the earth, and the characterstic age of plants are very different.

The earth may only be about 9000 years old, but plants are characteristically millions of years old.

carbon dating reflects characteristic age (decay rate of carbon) not chronological age ( date from birth)
---francis on 5/18/12


I believe in God, to me whether God created the world and rested in 7 days or 7 million years it was by God. If there is ever a big bang it was the work of God.
God is all encompassing.
Carbon dating is fairly accurate up to a certain point in time, a few thousand years, then its accuracy tends to be questioned.
Whether the creation is symbolic told in a way man of the time could understand or a long time event. It is still God.
Even if evolution were proved then it is still God because man was formed from the earth.
What we are told in Genesis is here,embrace it, enjoy it.
---chris on 5/18/12


earl: "At what point in time do you classify the earth?"

At day one of Creation.


C14 is indeed GREAT evidence - but not for evolution. Classical C14 measurement is indeed highly innacurate, with a broad statistical peak and tends to greater innacuracy with sample age. That is because it uses a simple geiger count method for determining the proportion of C14. Accelerator Mass Spectrometer measurements of C14 in fossils, on the other hand, is highly accurate, and gives a narrow statistical peak of ALL fossil ages at about 4,500 years BP - exactly in accordance with the biblical flood of Noah!

Thus, the "evidence" claimed FOR evolution is in reality evidence AGAINST it.
---jerry6593 on 5/18/12


Micha, you raised an interesting point regarding C14 in diamonds, supposedly billions of years old. As you know C14 suffers radioactive decay and by C80,000 years none will be left. However a tests upon diamonds disclosed C14, aged at 58,000 years. How then can these diamonds be billions of years old? The simple answer is they cannot. As the C14 process does not directly give an age, rather giving chemical ratios, the age is an interpretation. However it is not interpretation that C14 has a half life of C5,700 years. Therefore no measurable amount of C14 will be left after C80,000 years.

The evolutionary/long-ages scientific community has no good answer to this scientifically demonstrable contradiction of their belief
---Warwick on 5/17/12


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Carbon dating can only date things back to a maximum of about 95,000 years.
It has nothing to do with the age of the Earth.
The Earth was created in it's entirety within 5 days before man inhabited it.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens, God himself that formed the earth and made it, he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.
---micha9344 on 5/17/12


"How old is the earth?"
At what point in time do you classify the earth?
When do you give it classification? In what era-
meteorite reclamation era.
Cool down era
post volcanic era
atmosphere era
post crust stabilation era
Biologic era-that being the planet is suitable for biologic life
human life era-that being the planet is suitable for human life

---earl on 5/17/12


Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you ..every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.

On day 1, Adam and Eve had every fruit known to man as thier meal.

One day 1, adam and eve could both talk.

When tells us that god did not create sapplings or seedling, but fully grown plants. The fruit trees on day one had the characteristis of a tree at least nine years old. Adam on day one had the characteristic of an adulat.

carbon dating may be correct to reflect that God did not create sappling, but trees with of millions of years
---francis on 5/16/12


Not the 80 proof moonshine you've been drinking.
---atheist on 5/16/12


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Everything that is or once was living (organic)has a certain amount of the unstabe molecule Carbon-14 in it.
This includes diamonds, said to be over 1 billion years old, and fossils, said to be millions of years old.
Carbon-14 has a half-life of 5730 years and a maximum decay of about 95,000 years.
Secular scientists claim contamination, of course.
But every organic sample?
Sounds like mythology to me.
---micha9344 on 5/16/12


Atheist: Got any proof?


---jerry6593 on 5/16/12


Scripture: Wrong once, wrong forever.

Science: Not quite right, right next time.

Knowledge is gain through time and work, not proclamation.
---atheist on 5/16/12


Just reading scripture, I came up with around 6000.

At least the scriptures dont change like scientific theory does. They're even saying now that the speed of light was never a constant and that there are things moving faster than the speed of light.

You cant trust science.
---Blogger9680 on 5/15/12


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Just reading scripture, I came up with around 6000.

At least the scriptures dont change like scientific theory does. They're even saying now that the speed of light was never a constant and that there are things moving faster than the speed of light.

You cant trust science. The theory of relativity is now under the gun.
---Blogger9680 on 5/15/12


Here is some mythological history for you.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning...
---atheist on 5/15/12


So many people, believer and un-believer alike, confuse historical science with observational science.
Here is some historical science for you.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning...
---micha9344 on 5/15/12


Some here, like our resident atheist and some Christians, believe that the earth is much older that the 6000-year age implied by the Bible. This multi-million (or even billion) year age is necessary (so the theory goes) to allow for the creation of earth's life forms by Evolution. They claim that this great age is confirmed by "science". I disagree, and would like for one of these "great age" adherents to justify their assertion with some facts - rather than the usual acerbic rhetoric.


---jerry6593 on 5/15/12


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Atheist, Jesus is God Almighty, and therefore eternal: "Then said the Jews to him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty. Before the mountains were born, or you gave birth to the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, you God." Jn.8:57,58+ Rv.1:8+ Ps.90:2.
---Eloy on 5/9/12


LOL Eloy.....Reminds me of a Christmas parade I once watched. One organization had several signs saying their float was the "best" and to be watching for it and it was "fantastic" and "terrific." Of course, it was the last float in the parade and it was a kid pulling a little red wagon with a sign that said, "April Fools."
---KarenD on 5/8/12


Eloy: "According to the scriptures, Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C."

Is that your joke for April Fool's? This year's or next?

What is debatable are "who begat whom" and the definition of "generations". So what is your interpretation of the word "generation"? (hint: there is only one verse in scripture that interprets exactly how many years is a generation and a few others that imply the same)
---Steveng on 5/8/12


aka: And what questions would those be? ---jerry6593 on 5/8/12

if you are a moderator, than you have seen them already.

if not, this is your question and i have nothing to add to this.
---aka on 5/8/12


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//According to the scriptures, Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C.
---Eloy on 5/8/12
//


Oh, I get it. That was the first April Fool's day. Which scripture was that? 1st Eloy 1:1?


---jerry6593 on 5/8/12


Eloy,

So Jesus created the world 10,000 years before he was born?
---atheist on 5/8/12


Earth is about 8,000-10,000 years old.

About 6 years ago I did a calculation.

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Seth:

Genesis 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

From these two text i came up with and earth ago of 1035 when Enos was born

I did this far all of Genesis, the 430 years in Rgypt, 40 years in the wilderness, the length or reign of each judge, and between judges, length of reign of each king, length of time in captivity, length of time from return to captivity to Jesus, and length of time from Jesus till today.

It was over 8000 years.
---francis on 5/8/12


//According to the scriptures, Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C.
---Eloy on 5/8/12
And if He did so, in what time zone did He create the world?
---lee1538 on 5/8/12


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According to the scriptures, Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C.
---Eloy on 5/8/12


aka: And what questions would those be?


---jerry6593 on 5/8/12


the earth is slightly older than this question and the moderators only posting similar questions and not posting others good questions.

my proof: just tune in and try to get a good question posted.
---aka on 5/7/12


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