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Don't Keep Ten Commandments

Why do some people bombard others with the 10 commandments, and tell them they must keep them, yet these very people don't keep the commandments themselves.

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francis:

Exodus 20:8

No mention of God here in any context.

Exodus 20:9

No mention of God here in any context either.

Exodus 20:10

No mention of who God is or even what God does.

Exodus 20:11

A mention of what God did, but not who he is.

So, in all the verses you mentioned, just WHERE does it mention WHO God is? Only two of the four mention God at all, only one of them mentions what God did, and NONE of them mentions who God is!

But God also made everything else anyway, so why do you continue to single out the Sabbath as being uniquely important over all other things?
---StrongAxe on 5/14/12


Exodus 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee (Israel)out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exodus 20:8 (Israelites) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou (Israelites)labour, and do all thy work:

We all agree that those who are Jewish should observe the Sabbath, but most Christians are NOT Jewish.

It is really odd that francis does not know that. Poor soul, when will he get some help?
---lee1538 on 5/14/12


The Bible is very clear that we cannot judge one another according to which day we herald as a holy day or a sabbath (Col 2:16)

If GOD says that we cannot judge one another according to the Sabbath, why do you persist?
---LindaH on 5/12/12


A response to her question would be nice. I'm curious myself
---Blogger9680 on 5/14/12


The Ten Commandments don't tell us who anyone is. They mention nothing about God being the creator. ---StrongAxe on 5/14/12
REALLY?
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francis on 5/14/12


francis:

You said: Have you made the connection between God the creator of heaven and earth and the sabbath?

Yes, and God made everything else too. What is your point? Why do you single out the Sabbath for special treatment?

You said: I was simple pointing out to you that in all ten commandments ONLY THE SABBATH tell us who God is.

The Ten Commandments don't tell us who anyone is. They mention nothing about God being the creator. For that, one needs to go to Genesis. And guess what? It says God created everything, but it says he BLESSED the Sabbath. It doesn't say he CREATED it.
---StrongAxe on 5/14/12




Can someone please show me the two following texts:

The one that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Teatament are applicable to Christians.

The one that defines "THE LAW" written on the heart in the New Covenant and deletes one or more of the Ten Commandments.

Many of you seem sure that such texts exist, so it shouldn't be hard for you to provide them. If not, then aren't you essentially adding to Scripture by pretending that they do exist?


---jerry6593 on 5/14/12


Have you made the connection between God the creator of heaven and earth and the sabbath?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Jonah 1:9 I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.

Revelation 14:7 worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Psalms 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.


Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francius on 5/13/12


I'm not sure why Christians do this exactly but it happens and has been for a long time and Jesus has definitely addressed it so if you r a Christian love God and obey His Word("before removing the speck in someone else's eye remove the log in your own") so just pray for that person as well as yourself making sure u are obeying..just forget it and be righteous in the end all will bevrevealed
---Jesusfreak on 5/13/12


--StrongAxe on 5/13/12
You said that keeeping the sabbath is not included in LOVE THE LORD. I was simple pointing out to you that in all ten commandments ONLY THE SABBATH tell us who God is. Only Jehovah can claim to be the CREATOR

--lee1538 on 5/13/12
God creation did not fail, God created everything and said it was GOOD. Man sinned. Man failed not God.
Did mans sin erase the fact that God is the creator?

You say God did not IMPOSE the sabbath as if the sabbath is some sort of burden:

Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, my holy day, a delight,
John 5:3 his commandments are not grievous.

---Rob on 5/13/12
Let me put an end to this with you. How many of the ten commandments should christians keep?
---francis on 5/13/12


You would have to ask those persons why they do that. Instead of 10 commandments, The Lord God Jesus Almighty said that we are to keep HIS Commandments: "If you all love me, my commandments keep. A new commandment I give to you, That you all love one another, as I have loved you, that you all also love one another." Jn.14:15+ 13:34.
---Eloy on 5/13/12




francis:

You said: WHy do you think That worshiping God as creater is not a means to show Him love?

I my last message I specifically said not worshipping any other gods (i.e. worshipping God alone) was covered by the command to love God, yet you ignored what I said and instead tried to deduce the opposite based on a twisted chain of logic.

God made the Sabbath, and also everything else. Does this mean anyone who worships trees is really worshipping God because God made trees?

Daniel 6:7 has nothing to do with either my comment nor the blog topic, so why mention it? I also don't know what you mean by "those three commandments", since the topic mentions 10, I mentioned 2, and Daniel 6:7 mentions 2.
---StrongAxe on 5/13/12


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Eph 3:9 God, who CREATED all things

Col 1:16 For by Him were all things CREATED

1 Timothy 4:3 which God hath CREATED

Rev 4:11 O Lord,.. thou hast CREATED all things.

Rev 10:6 CREATED heaven, and the earth,

1 Peter 4:19 God...a faithful CREATOR.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Sunday as a day of worship did not come from Christ, the apostles or any divine command. It came because men worshiped the creature ( THE SUN) rather than the CREATOR

Did the cross stop God from being the creator?
---francis on 5/13/12


//The Law reflects the very character of God: LOVE!

Exactly correct! And do you suppose the reason that the Lord did not impose the Sabbath commandment onto His church was because He loved us?

After all, the Sabbath commandment was but one law that tended to separate the people of Israel from other peoples.
---lee1538 on 5/13/12


//The sabbath is uniquely pointing ot Jehovah as THE CREATER and you left it out when it comes to loving God?

True that the Sabbath points back to the rest of Creation and we can also say the Resurrection points to Christ, our own resurrection and hope of eternal life.

And what is more important to the Christian, the failed creation of God or the glorious Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ which occured on Sunday?

Now you know why the early church put such emphasis on the Resurrection and practically nothing on the observance of the OT Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 5/13/12


Francis, why do you continue to avoid and try to take attention away from the subject of this blog.

You say people must keep the 10 commandments when it has been proven that you yourself don't keep them.

Also you you try to keep attention away from the fact that Ellen G. White is your God, and also is the one that SDA's follow and serve?

Do you not know the reason Satan was expelled from Heaven is because Satan wanted to be, or to be equal as God?

You are displaying the very tactics and deception that which Satan uses.
---Rob on 5/13/12


The command to love God encompasses worship no other gods, don't take his name in vein, and don't worship graven image.....
However, NEITHER of these two commands covers keeping the sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/12


Daniel 6:7 .. a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.

Those three commandments could be a law by any king or of any God.
The sabbath is uniquely pointing ot Jehovah as THE CREATER and you left it out when it comes to loving God?

WHy do you think That worshiping God as creater is not a means to show Him love?
---francis on 5/13/12


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The Law reflects the very character of God: LOVE!

The whole law is based on LOVE for God, and LOVE for neighbour. The law much like the CHARACTER of God is unchangable.

Because the character of God is unchangable, any deviating from the character of God is sin.

That is why the strength of sin is the law. Any failure to show LOVE for God, or LOVE for neighbour is a sin.

The Law, which reflects the LOVING character of God stand strong and unchangable, and any deviation from that LOVING character of God is sin

Why do so many not see that the law is a reflection of Gods unchanging LOVE:
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can beRomans 8:7
---francis on 5/12/12


francis:

The command to love God encompasses worship no other gods, don't take his name in vein, and don't worship graven images.

The command to love your neighbor encompasses don't steal or kill or covet or bear false witness or commit adultery. It also indirectly covers honoring your parents, since your parents would also be considered neihbors.

However, NEITHER of these two commands covers keeping the sabbath.

Acts 13:42,44, 15:21, 16:13, Revelation 1:10 described when certain things happened. They did NOT command any actions on such days - e.g. that Jesus once preached at a syngagogue in Capernaum is not a blanket commandment that all Christians must therefore preach in synagogues in Capernaum.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/12


//Romans 7:7 Is the law sin? God forbid
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
1 Cor 15:56 the strength of sin is the law.

Yes, and ALL 600+ laws found in the Old Covenant are in view here AND if you break any of them you are held guilty of breaking the law. James 2:10

Francis, do you still light a fire in your home on the Sabbath?(Exodus 35:3) If you do, you break the law AND breaking the law is a sin. 1 John 3:4

Better REPENT while you still have the time.
---lee1538 on 5/12/12


I wonder if some reason for the differences of opinion on this blog is that no difference is being made between the old and new covenants. Not all old covenant laws became part of the new covenant. The 10 commandmants do seem to be part of the new covenant if we understand what Christ was saying to the rich man who asked Him how he might obtain eternal life. Also it is my understanding from Matt. 7 that fulfill means bring the law to a higher standard, not that the law is done away. If the 10 are part of the NC, surely all ten would be included, not just 9. I do wonder why there is such emnity against the Sabbath among God's people?
---Sandy_G on 5/12/12


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WeakHatchet: "When asked which commandments GENTILE believers were required to obey ... Noticibly absent was anything having to do with the Sabbath."

Apparently, you are not well versed in the Scriptures. The restrictions on Gentiles in Acts 15 & 21 did not address the Ten Commandments, but rather meats offered to idols, eating blood, strangled, etc. As for the disciples :

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

They are talking about you in heaven:

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:


---jerry6593 on 5/13/12


Anyone who understands these texts would know why christians continue to keep the sabbath day holy.

Romans 7:7 Is the law sin? God forbid
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
1 Cor 15:56 the strength of sin is the law.

AND

Matthew 22:37 Thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:39 Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
1 John 4:8 for God is LOVE.

If you do not get it, I will be happy to explain how all these tie together
---francis on 5/12/12


\\What I am saing is that the command/ judgment to put adulterers to death came from God and not from man.\\

BTW, francis. where is the stoning of adulterers in the Decalogue?

You yourself have REPEATEDLY said that only these were given by God, and the rest (603 mitzvoth) were thought up by Moses.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/12


Anyone who understands these texts would know why christians continue to keep the sabbath day holy.

Romans 7:7 Is the law sin? God forbid
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
1 Cor 15:56 the strength of sin is the law.

AND

Matthew 22:37 Thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:39 Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
1 John 4:8 for God is LOVE.

If you do not get it, I will be happy to explain how all these tie together
---francis on 5/12/12


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Apparently, unlike you, they didn't seem to think it was in any way important enough to mention.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/12
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,

They spoke a lot about it
---francis on 5/12/12


//Yes, the Apostles never said teh Sabbath was to be done away with. But they did't say anything ELSE about it EITHER. Apparently, unlike you, they didn't seem to think it was in any way important enough to mention.

Anyone capable of reasoning should realize that if the Sabbath was of any importance, the Apostles would have mentioned it in the Epistles AND we would also see it taught by the early church.

Adventist doctrine is extremely hard to defend that is why Francis and Jerry often get hung up in trying to defend SDA beliefs.
---lee1538 on 5/12/12


Francis,

Paul, counted all his righteousness according to the law (for which he considered himself blameless) as DUNG so that He could win Christ! (Phil 3:5-8)

The Bible is very clear that we cannot judge one another according to which day we herald as a holy day or a sabbath (Col 2:16)

If GOD says that we cannot judge one another according to the Sabbath, why do you persist?
---LindaH on 5/12/12


Francis, do you not understand that the only way you can serve God from your heart and out of TRUE love is not living under the letter of the law? If you HAVE TO do something then it isnt done out of love! Its done out of fear!

Jesus Christ fulfilled the law FOR YOU and his righteousness is accredited to you! As long as you are "in Christ" you've already fulfilled the law perfectly.

Your righteousness isn't based on Gods laws anymore. As believers in Christ, instead of worrying about how we live because we might go to hell, we should be worried about disappointing and dishonoring the wonderful God and Savior we have.

All things are lawful, but not all things edify
---CraigA on 5/12/12


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\\What I am saing is that the command/ judgment to put adulterers to death came from God and not from man.\\

How many adulterers have you stoned lately, francis?

How many divorced and remarried people are in your SDA congregation? Have you stoned them? Why not? Jesus called such liasons adultery.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/12


francis:

Yes, the Apostles never said teh Sabbath was to be done away with. But they did't say anything ELSE about it EITHER. Apparently, unlike you, they didn't seem to think it was in any way important enough to mention.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/12


StrongAxe as you see throughout the NT there are many scriptured about the sabbath, NOT ONE says we should not keep it

There are also many scriptrures about circumcion and sacrifices. A few of them says that we need no longer sacrifice animals or be circumcised

Can we agree on that?
---francis on 5/12/12


Do I understand you are saying, the book of Leviticus!
Was written by a man?
Therefore should not be part of the bible and be ignore by everyone!
---TheSeg on 5/12/12

No that is not what I said.

What I am saing is that the command/ judgment to put adulterers to death came from God and not from man.
And God is very particular about people keeping his judgments

This is a command from God:
Leviticus 27:29 None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed, [but] shall surely be put to death.

And does not violate any of the ten commandments
---francis on 5/12/12


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\\And from early church history we can see that the Sabbath was no longer observed by 135 AD.\\

Actually, St. Justin Martyr (+115) records that already Christians were meeting on Sunday for the Eucharist.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/12


Hey francis, TheSeg Again!

You asked:
Did I understand you correctly?

TheSeg:
Yes, you did!

You asked:
Who said that they had to be put to death: God or Man?

Do I understand you are saying, the book of Leviticus!
Was written by a man?
Therefore should not be part of the bible and be ignore by everyone!

Leviticus right from the beginning commands:
Lev 20:2 he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

So, someone lie here! Or the bible was change!
Look at what it says:
Lev 20:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

So, the lord did not say this, ok!
What did he say?
Tell me, I pray!
Be well!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/12/12


Rob//You continue to try and keep others attention from the fact so many times on these blogs you have told outright lies.
---
What is truly ironic is that while Adventists claim to love the law, they really do not observe the law themselves. Ask Francis or Jerry if they light a fire in their home on the Sabbath. Either they will lie or say that not all OT laws are applicable, only those they want.

They lie because the Truth is not in them.
---lee1538 on 5/12/12


//StrongAxe Jesus NEVER said that sabbath would be done away with

Jesus NEVER said that circumcision would be done away with, but it was along with other distinctive Jewish practices at the Jerusalem council Acts 15.

And from early church history we can see that the Sabbath was no longer observed by 135 AD. Adventists scholars found that to be true.
---lee1538 on 5/12/12


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StrongAxe The Apostles NEVER said that sabbath would be done away with

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made, and we sat down

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,

Many NT text about sabbath, none that says not to keep it
---francis on 5/12/12


Francis, I see that you continue to go on a rant as usual, to try and keep attention from the fact you are someone who says people are to keep the 10 commandments, when you yourself don't keep them.

You continue to try and keep others attention from the fact so many times on these blogs you have told outright lies.
---Rob on 5/12/12


StrongAxe Jesus NEVER said that sabbath would be done away with

Matthew 12:12 Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

1: Do good deeds on the sabbath
2: Hope that in times of trouble ( very distance future event) That the believers do not have to flee on the sabbath
3: Jesus is lord of the sabbath ( UNCHANGEABLE)

In the new earth we continue to keep the sabbath

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,.. it shall come to pass, that from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 5/12/12


Love thy God thy father with all your heart mind and soul, second love thy neighbor the same. These are the 2 commandments yeshua gave us. They are the ten commandments in a nutshell.
---rober8697 on 5/11/12


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francis:

When asked which commandments GENTILE believers were required to obey, the

Apostles did not say they had to keep all of them. They made a very short list of things to avoid (blood, things strangled, etc.). Presumably, even unbelievers would avoid certain things (e.g. murder, adultery) forbidden by all cultures, so becoming Christians would not change those. They only needed to be told things that might not have been forbidden to them previously, but were prohibited now. Noticibly absent was anything having to do with the Sabbath.

Note how often the Sabbath is taught in the New Testament. Virtually never. And whenever Jesus taught about it, it was to take exception to the Pharisee's overly-strict interpretations.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/12


TheSeg on 5/11/12

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that if one commits adultery, then the law demands that he and she be put to death. By putting them to death we are then violating the commandment which says thou shall not kill. There fore it is imposible to keep all the commandments.

Did I understand you correctly? Who said that they had to be put to death: God or Man?

Leviticus 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all MY JUDGMENTS, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
---francis on 5/11/12


Francis said: "LIKE CHIEF SINNER: Paul"

Read 1Tim 1:13-15 to see Paul spoke of his PAST as chief sinner, being that he was a "blasphemer, and a persecutor..". He stopped blaspheming, etc, hence not the chief sinner he used to be.

The contradiction Francis fails to address is the FACT that SDA's CAN'T keep the commandments themselves and are guilty of ALL (James 2:10)
in spite of their (clearly false) claim of "imparted" righteousness.
SDAs have no right to accuse others of disobedience and damnation when they fail, thus being guilty of ALL the commandments themselves. Their "imparted" righteousness doctrine condemns them.
---Haz27 on 5/11/12


It is given to enable us to obey the law
francis on 5/11/12

Then tell me, how you obey.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
Remember:
Lev_20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

No one can obey the commandments, without breaking the seventh!
For you to keep telling us too.
To me, mean you have no understanding of what Christ is saying or has done.
Youre looking for righteousness where there is none.
It not in you! You are to be in him!
His righteousness!
There is none good, but one!
That is God! Joh_15:12!
He forgave you!
---TheSeg on 5/11/12


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StrongAxe on 5/11/12

How then did the disciples know that men with men was against the law in the NT Romans 1:27.
How did they know that eating blood and things strangled was against the law in the NT, but being uncircumsized was not against the law in the NT

were they cherry picking, or are their guidlines to go by?
---francis on 5/11/12


//It (Holy Spirit) is given to enable us to obey the law
---
In Adventism, the Holy Spirit is the one that enables one to obey all the law found in the Old Covenant and thus merit eternal salvation.

NO, The Holy Spirit is the agent by which one is born again spiritually and becomes a new creation in Christ.2 Cor. 5:17

As a new creation, the Christian has an internal guide to tells him how to please God.

In fact, those that are led by God's Spirit, really do not need the law.

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

of course, those that do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit really cannot conceive of this since they are of the flesh. 1 Cor. 2:14
---lee1538 on 5/11/12


francis:

Yes, if one is a Jew, circumcized into the Covenant of Moses, one is subject to every one of those 613 laws. Are you Jewish, francis? I'm not, and I would guess most of the others here are not, so we are not subject to the laws imposed by that covenant.

There are certain laws that are fairly universal, and which have been observed (and enforced) since long before Moses. For example, prohibitions against murder, adultery, etc. However, except for the fact that God rested on the seventh day of creation, nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of the Sabbath nor seventh day at all, let alone any commandments concerning them, before Moses.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/12


francis//Why do some people pretend that not only a "jot" and a "tittle" has been removed, but an entire commandment?
---
Because most Christians believe that Christ actually accomplished His mission while on earth and thus fulfilled the law.

Those that believe otherwise believe Jesus failed to fulfill the law and that the law as depicted in the Old Covenant is still binding on believers.

They however, will say that believers need not be circumcised, may light a fire in their homes on the Sabbath, do not have to sacrifice an animal for the forgiveness of sins, but must observe certain laws found ONLY in the old Covenant.
---lee1538 on 5/11/12


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The Holy spirit is not given INSTEAD of the law

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you, and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

It is given to enable us to obey the law
---francis on 5/11/12


The Christian being indwelt by the Holy Spirit does not need the 10 commandments or other laws as a guide since that internal guide is totally sufficient.

Those who lack the Spirit truly need the law as a guide for their behavior as they really have no sense apart from the law as to what will or will not please God.

We call these types of "Christians" religionists or legalists as they think they can like the Pharisees of old, become righteous by the law and thus merit eternal life.
---lee1538 on 5/11/12


Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Why do some people pretend that not only a "jot" and a "tittle" has been removed, but an entire commandment?
---francis on 5/11/12


---Rob on 5/11/12
LIKE CHIEF SINNER: Paul?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
1 Cor 10:14 flee from idolatry
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God be not blasphemed.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Galatians 5:21 Murders, I have also told shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Galation 5:19 Adultery, as I have also told you shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another
Ephesians 5:3 covetousness, let it not be once named among you,
---francis on 5/11/12


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It is God - not the people on CN that commands obedience to His Laws. Many people (including many CN respondents) cling to one or two nebulous texts as justification for their favorite doctrines while dismissing a plethora of texts which contradict them. I suspect that such mental gymnastics helps them sleep at night and still indulge in their pet sins. But God is not glorified by our justification of sin (the transgression of His Law). Rather, He is Glorified by our obedience to the Law in turning away from our sins. It is God's enemy, Satan that promotes lawlessness - not God.


---jerry6593 on 5/11/12


Francis, this blog is about those people who tell people they must keep the 10 commandments, yet they don't keep them themselve.

Many time you have been exposed and proven to be a liar. You also have been proven to serve a False God. When this happens you resort to name calling and belittling people. Why is that?
---Rob on 5/11/12


1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
1 Cor 10:14 flee from idolatry
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God be not blasphemed.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Galatians 5:21 Murders, I have also told shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Galation 5:19 Adultery, as I have also told you shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another
Ephesians 5:3 covetousness, let it not be once named among you,
---francis on 5/11/12


Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day

abstain from pollutions of idols, from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood, Are doctrines found in the writings of Moses. In order that the new converts ( gentiles) may learn more, that are bing asked tyo be present every sabbath when the word of God is preached

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
---francis on 5/10/12


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---jonweckl on 5/10/12
Acts 11:22 and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

Acts 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:


They sent people of good reputation among those in the region. The church was already established there and Barnbaus and paul was known there.

They were not trying in any way shape of form to counteract the teachings of Moses
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

all these come from Moses so why counteract moses?
---francis on 5/11/12


Francis, Acts15,21 is not a complete thought. It's a premise for what is mentioned in v.22

The apostle is settin up the premise that since in the old time Moses had people in every city who preaches of him... now, (v.22) the apostle thought it good that they also send men from among them into Antioch, Syria, etc.

Why did the apostles think it good to do that? Because they have heard (v.24) that some who were formerly part of their church but have gone out of the church, have troubled the christians with words like having to be circumcised, and keep the law -- which were not commanded by the apostles.
---jonweckl on 5/10/12


StrongAxe on 5/10/12
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill,
Verse 21 makes it clear that Jesus is talking about the ten commandments ( thou shall not kill)

Are you suggesting that not only a jot and tittle has been removed from the law, but an antire commandment?
---francis on 5/10/12


francis:

If you are going to use the fact that Moses was preached in the synagogues every sabbath to prove that Christians who heard it were necessarily bound by the Ten Commandments, you must also conclude that they were bound by ALL 613 Jewish laws, since Moses wrote those too. Do you personally observe all 613, and do you believe everyone else should?
---StrongAxe on 5/10/12


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//Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The verse points neither to the Sabbath nor to Jewish laws.
---lee1538 on 5/10/12
I guess you did not see the phrase EVERY SABBATH DAY in the verse.
---francis on 5/10/12


\\However, once Christians were no longer welcomed in the Jewish synagogues, this was no longer a problem as the house church became the norm.\\

This happened around 125 AD, so the simply did what they had always done, namely met in the wee hours of Sunday morning for the Eucharist.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/12


//Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The verse points neither to the Sabbath nor to Jewish laws.

The earliest church was formed around the Jewish synagogues where if there was to be any harmony between Gentiles & Jews, respect for the Mosaic law was necessary.

However, once Christians were no longer welcomed in the Jewish synagogues, this was no longer a problem as the house church became the norm.

Early church history confirms this view.
---lee1538 on 5/10/12


The Ten Commandments were never given to the Gentiles but are summed up in the Law of Love. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient,kind,doesn't boast,envy,it isn't self seeking,rude,proud,isn't easily angered,doesn't keep records of wrongs. It doesn't delight in evil, but rejoices with truth, It always protects,trusts,hopes,perservers. It never fails. Even so,everything in the Old Testament,Old Covenant is our teacher showing us how God wants us to be in our life. Gentiles only commandments Acts 15:28,29 abstain from food scarificed to idols,from blood,meat of strangled animals,and sexual immorality. Although Gentiles aren't bound by the Ten Commandments,they are bound by the Law of Love which contains the essence of them.
---Darlene_1 on 5/10/12


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Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

---Cluny,
How would such a verse have impacted the christians?

Does it point them away from the sabbath, or towards the sabbath?

In light of this verse, when is the word of God preached?

in light of the verse when are christians to gather to hear the word of God?

Acts 13:42 the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. The next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why are these gentiles requesting the word NEXT sabbath rather than next day?
---francis on 5/10/12


\\Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.\\

Two things wrong with this quote, francis.

1. St. Paul didn't say it.
2. It has nothing to do with obliging Gentiles to Sabbath observance.

Try again.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/12


Hello,Family,I believe we live 'n a society .. It's "me..me...me.."If you listen closely,you will hear alot of that..We all are saturated by this and so God's word,Christ's love needs to abide. I believe like many of you bible scholars! God bless you all... I mean many of you really teach! If you stay in the word of God...this is for ELENA ,too.. there has to be at some point "radical change!Heb.4:12 The word of God is living and active.Sharper than any double- edged sword,it penetrates dividing soul and spirit,joints and marrow,it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
---ELENA on 5/10/12


That's human nature - disobedience, rebellion. People today rebel against just about everything. Look what is happening throughout the world, of which an evil spirit has a strong hold, even in the United States.

The ultimate commandment is to love - genuine love. We prove to God that we love him by obeying his commandments. But since love has almost evaporated from the face of this world today it's hard to keep his commandments. This proves that man could not have written the bible because it is so hard to obey by most people especially since Jesus came.

Although people genuinely strive to obey the commandments, we must continue spreading the gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there.
---Steveng on 5/9/12


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francis// agree, what was Paul who was chief sinner doing bombarding people with ten commandments
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I notice that you list NT scripture for the 10 commandments except that you forget to list any NT for observing the Sabbath!

Do we become righteous by the ten commandments or is the righteousness of Christ credited to our account?
---lee1538 on 5/9/12


Those who teach that the 10 commandments must be obeyed as proof of one's salvation follow a similar path to Israel, "being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God", Rom 10:3.

Such people walk according to the flesh and are not led by the Spirit (Gal 5:18).

For these who "walk after the flesh"..."having eyes full of (spiritual) adultery, and that cannot cease from sin"...they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in BONDAGE" 2Pet2:10-22
---Haz27 on 5/9/12


---Rob on 5/9/12
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
1 Cor 10:14 flee from idolatry
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God be not blasphemed.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Galatians 5:21 Murders, I have also told shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Galation 5:19 Adultery, as I have also told you shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another
Ephesians 5:3 covetousness, let it not be once named among you,

I agree, what was Paul who was chief sinner doing bombarding people with ten commandments
---francis on 5/9/12


//Why do some people bombard others with the 10 commandments, and tell them they must keep them, yet these very people don't keep the commandments themselves

Primarily because they have been taught that one may become righteous by obeying the 10 commandments and thus merit eternal life.

From Steps to Christ (Chapter 7) by Fannie Bolton as published by Ellen White.

"Righteousness is defined by the standard of God's holy law, as expressed in the ten precepts given on Sinai."

"The condition of eternal life is now just what it always has been, - just what it was in Paradise before the fall of our first parents, - perfect obedience to the law of God, perfect righteousness."
---lee1538 on 5/9/12


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must be an SDA set up - 10 commandments are part of the old covenant - SDA church still doesnt understand the law of the SPirit.
---weatherbill on 5/9/12


Jesus pointed out there will be people like that.
---Catholicus on 5/9/12


Who does that? I can't even remember what the 10 Commandments are...lol

Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so...I heard a Pastor say that this is the 10 Commandments and I totally agree with him. How about you?

When you fall in love with Jesus, you won't want to commit adultery, you won't steal, like, covent your neighbor's goods, and you won't have any idols in your life..if you do, REPENT QUICKLY for the Lord's return is near. Not now but He's coming soon.
---anon on 5/9/12


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