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Abraham Given Faith To Believe

Did God give Abraham faith to believe?

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 ---ginger on 5/10/12
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Amen to your post on 5/15,16 MarkV. Not only was it beautifully written and courteous, I agree with Ginger that it was in it's entirety "very true". You answered Atheist well. Your answer brought to mind Titus 1:9. Well done sir.
---Josef on 5/24/12


MarkV,
Very true.

Atheist, The reason why God was jealous and mean sometimes is because the people had turned away from him and started worshiping false gods. THings that God created instead of the one who created the things..GOD.
When we put God first, we may go through somethings, but he is there ever step of the way and brings us through them as long as we stick with him.
That is what the story of Abraham is all about. Sticking with God no matter what. He loves us and wants to be a real father to us.
---ginger on 5/16/12


Athiest 2: God is shown to be very loving in many cases and very hard on others.
God, as the name declares, as I read Scripture is at liberty to deal with a world of sinners according to His own good pleasure. He can rightfully pardon some and condemn others, can rightfully give His Grace to one and not to another. He is free to have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Other Christians hate to even think God uses His own ability to save anyone. But we are told,
"it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God who showeth mercy, and the reason why any are saved, and why one rather than another is saved, is to be found alone in the good pleasure of Him who orderthe all things after the counsel of His own will.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/12


Athiest, you spoke Truth. I didn't think you would. Of course the Bible is full of stories, and characters. God is the main theme in the stories. There's little difference between you and many call Christians who don't believe in the God of Scripture. They say they do, but reject His Words just like you. Just think, if everyone was created and we had no word of God, we would believe just like you. But God made sure His Word would pass down through the centuries so that those stories could be use by us, as examples of the work of God. The whole story is complete, cover to cover. It will end as God ordained it to end. The only difference is, that through faith we believe it's the Word of God and you don't. As if you never got the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/15/12


Mark,

An easier way to interpret the bible is to just admit that "god" and all others are characters in stories. Stories that may at one time had some basis in fact, but over time have been changed by many writings and re-writings.God is a very loving and forgiving character in some stories, and a jealous and mean guy in another.
---atheist on 5/14/12




ginger, I'm glad to hear you daughter is doing great now. Thanks be to God. Second, what athiest says is what many Christians also say. Reading about God and the many stories in the Old Testament are hard to comprehend with our own finite minds. Since athiest does not know God, it's impossible for him to understand why those examples were written for us. We know they all have a reason, because we trust God is righteous, but he doesn't. Even people with faith, have little faith. They question many things so they build their own god in their minds because of the stories in Scripture they will not accept. So they are happy with the god they created in their minds. Its all a matter of faith and Trust in God. Something athiest does not possess.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/12


Atheist,
God was showing Abraham what God was going to do for the world...Sacrifice his own son. God already knew Abraham's Heart. God wanted to show Abraham.

If you read in the Bible, NO, Isaac was not tramatized.

Atheist, no matter how much any of try to explain, until you allow God to guide and show you himself, you will never understand.
You must realize we all have free will. ANd the Bible speaks about false spirits leading us away. We are told to try and test the spirit to see if it is truth.
I am sure you have seen many a minister claiming this or that. Look at Jim Jones. Some are mislead by their weaknesses.
---ginger on 5/13/12


1. The fact that God did save Isaac is definately important. It shows Abraham had faith that God would not allow it.{Then he was pretending and god did not know his heart.}
2. No, Isaac was not traumatised at all. The Bible says He loved God also.{Really, getting tied to a pyre and your father threatening to slit your throat would leave you with no trama?}
3. If a man killed his son because he thought God said so, well if the son was saved I would believe him because God would do that. If God did't save the son, that man is a liar and it wasnt God's voice but some other spirit. {So if the man killed his son, he would be crazy, but Abraham was not even though he went through the motions?}
---atheist on 5/12/12


Whether or not he gave Isaac a late minute reprieve or not does not matter. You don't think that Isaac was traumatized by the experience? .. some guy killed his son because god said to, what would you think?
---atheist on 5/11/12

1. The fact that God did save Isaac is definately important. It shows Abraham had faith that God would not allow it.
2. No, Isaac was not traumatised at all. The Bible says He loved God also.
3. If a man killed his son because he thought God said so, well if the son was saved I would believe him because God would do that. If God did't save the son, that man is a liar and it wasnt God's voice but some other spirit.
Just because you don't understand God's ways does not stop him from loving you.
---ginger on 5/12/12


\\Sadly, Cluny, no. And I nor she believes in abortion.
I also know God is still working cause she no longer talks to me the way she did. Please keep my family in your prayers.\\

Will do.

The Bible says that children are a blessing from the Lord. The circumstances of their conception do not vitiate the blessing.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/12




Sadly, Cluny, no. And I nor she believes in abortion.
I also know God is still working cause she no longer talks to me the way she did. Please keep my family in your prayers.

Anyway, back to Abraham.
He was not off his rocker. He had faith that God would not kill his son because he was obedient and he loved God.
Was Noah off his rocker too when he built the ark? If you think so, then you would not be here if you had existed back then.

Athiest, it is about having faith in the unseen.
---ginger on 5/12/12


Abramhan was clearly off his head, ---Atheiat on 5/11/12

and you are off your keyboard or on the bottle.

lol.

nevertheless, joseph spoke well.
---aka on 5/11/12


Abramhan was clearly off his head,
---Atheiat on 5/11/12


\\She is getting ready to start college and become a mom.
I didn't change her, GOD did.\\

Did she get married anywhere in this?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/12


That doesn't make any sense...
---atheist on 5/11/12

Makes sense to me.

You want to accuse people of performing "insane" activities in the name of God.

I say that people do "insane" activities in the name of health, wealth, greed, family.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/11/12


"For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:36)

"But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered." (Romans 6:17)

So, I would say Abraham would not do well to glorify his own self for how he believed, but give the credit to God.

While we were in sin, we were "slaves" . . . not free. So, our "free will" was our problem of being free from God so we could sin and make wrong choices. But Jesus makes us "free indeed" in His love (John 8:36), doing away with our old self's will of our own ego.
---willie_c: on 5/11/12


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Ginger,

The situation are neither comparable or parallel.

God, with his infinitely huge ego seems to need constant affirmation by acts of his subjects. To ask a man to kill his son as a test, is just sick. Whether or not he gave Isaac a late minute reprieve or not does not matter. You don't think that Isaac was traumatized by the experience? If you read in the paper that some guy killed his son because god said to, what would you think?
---atheist on 5/11/12


Mark: "Would you give your child a vaccine that was developed using aborted human children? "

That doesn't make any sense...
---atheist on 5/11/12


So, how many here would tie up their son and prepare to kill him if god asked you to do it?
---atheist on 5/10/12

Would you give your child a vaccine that was developed using aborted human children?

Get the plank out of your eye before you try to take the speck out of mine.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/11/12


Thanks fellas!

Athiest, I didn't tie my daughter up and sacrifice her literally, but I let her go and let God deal with her when she was 15. She was very troubled, I took her to therapy, didn't work. I tried all man made ways. Then she got arrested and sent to a Christian group home for girls for 6 months. When she came back, she had graduated from school at 16, and just awesome. She is getting ready to start college and become a mom.
I didn't change her, GOD did.

You have to look at the end result Athiest. Did God actually require his sacrifice? NO. He wanted to see how strong his faith was. And to have no other gods before GOD.
Without the Holy Spirit, you won't ever understand. You will only see with human flawed eyes.
---ginger on 5/11/12


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So, how many here would tie up their son and prepare to kill him if god asked you to do it?
---atheist on 5/10/12


"Did God give Abraham faith to believe?" Yes. "Every good gift, and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning." "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God," I know one may argue that salvation is the gift referred to here, and I would not argue that. However 'I' believe salvation, grace, and faith are all gifts, as opposed to something we merit, create within ourselves, or bring forth from ourselves, of ourselves. As it is written " God has 'dealt' (given or distributed) to every man the measure of faith."
---joseph on 5/10/12


Ginger, every good thing originates in God, so yes, Abraham received faith from God just as you and I have.
---Catholicus on 5/10/12


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