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What kind of body will we have in the resurrection...physical or spirit?

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Many passages contrast spirit (or spiritual) against flesh[ly], natural, carnal, etc.

This "spiritual" body does not mean "spirit-being" as some would purport. It simply means "not sin-wrecked"
---James_L on 5/25/12

I never thought of it that way. But you are right. That is definately some meat for me to chew on. Thank you brother.
---ginger on 5/27/12


ginger,

I apologize for the way I chopped up your words, if I didn't leave enough to accurately represent what you were trying to convey.

Whenever I quote, I start out with every word. But I usually get:

"Reply Is Too Long - XXX Words
Maximum Words = 125"

Then the entire thing goes into my buzz saw, and it ends up at 125 words.

I assure, I mean no harm. Sometimes my words get trimmed down, and sometimes the quote, or both.

But I am careful to dot dot dot (...) in place of omitted words, so that other readers know it was only a partial quote. I'll try to be more careful in the future

And a heartfelt thanks for your compliment. It means a lot to me.
---James_L on 5/24/12


ginger,
scripture says that Jesus ascended in bodily form. Also that He will return in like manner.

What we don't read in scripture is that His body dissolved or otherwise disappeared.

Colossians 2:9 reads:
In Him all the fullness of Deity "dwells" in bodily form

This was written two decades after Christ ascended, in the present tense.

Much is made of "spiritual" body in 1Cor 15:44

But it is contrasted with "natural"

Many passages contrast spirit (or spiritual) against flesh[ly], natural, carnal, etc.

This "spiritual" body does not mean "spirit-being" as some would purport. It simply means "not sin-wrecked"
---James_L on 5/25/12


James,
Please don't think I was being harsh because I wasn't.
I just wanted you to understand that I understand what you are talking about. By the way you are an awesome teacher. I read most if not all of your posts.

Question, do you think Christ is in Heaven in the body he left here in? It is one thing I just don't know and I am not sure if scripture supports either/or in body or spirit.
---ginger on 5/24/12


James, you are deceiving others about my post because you cut a lot of it out. And causing them to think that I don't know Christ is alive today. Not true. I said it in an earlier post.
You are arguing over something that wasn't said ..Just like you did Strong Axe. You are arguing about it when Strong axe and I both KNOW that Christ is alive today. Just because we didn't address it the way you did, doesn't make what either of us said false.

When Christ rose, he a had a body of flesh and bone. When he comes back he will have the same thing.
Does this mean he is sitting at the right hand of the father in the same flesh and bone? Not sure, I know how he left, how he is coming back and Christ is alive today.
---ginger on 5/24/12




\\what kind of Body Jesus appeared in...past tense....what Kind of Body does Jesus have now...present tense.\\
---ginger on 5/22/12

That's exactly what I was getting at.

He rose and showed that body to the disciples. They saw Him ascend, and He will return in like manner.

The way He was then, is the way He still is.

So it doesn't matter if you're talking about resurrection morning, or this morning, He is the same.

So as it turns out, I was not being "anal retentive", or making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If your Christ is not the same today as He was then, then He is different from the One portrayed in scripture
---James_L on 5/22/12


Do all of you have a problem with english?
What we were talking about was in past tense.
So I addressed it past tense.
Obviously James, (Sorry Strong axe) you have not read any of my other posts.

When I answer a question, I speak in the terms of what we are discussing.
So, YES, you are being anal retetentive. Because ALL of us on here believe Christ is alive today.
If one doesn't believe that, they are not a Christian.
We were talking about what kind of Body Jesus appeared in when he appeared to the apostles..past tense. Now if you ask what Kind of Body does Jesus have now, I would address it in present tense.
I hope that clears the air for our future conversations.
---ginger on 5/22/12


ginger, you are so quick to answer that you answered the wrong person. Then you said,
" yet you still henpeck like a grouchy old woman."
you are sounding exactly like kathr. If you believe no one is allowed to answer you, you are wrong, and if you don't like anyone disagreeing with you, then don't respond to the questions. People are trying to help you. If you disagree, at least give the reason why. Separated yourself from evil. There is enough of that already. We are to walk in the Spirit, edifying one another. Strongaxe, and James and many others have great things they can help with.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


Ginger,

You may have addressed to StrongAxe what was meant for me. As it were, He made staements similar to yours.

I assure you that I am not nitpicking. It is quite disturbing to me when I read a never-ending barrage of statements which almost always refer to Jesus as though He were still dead:

Jesus was God
Jesus was a man
If Jesus was still alive
Jesus had feelings
Jesus was, Jesus had, Jesus could, etc etc etc

It makes me wonder exactly how many people actually believe that He is alive.

Do we not have a living hope, in a living Savior?

Why not talk like it if you actually believe it ???
---James_L on 5/22/12


StrongAxe,
You are being anal retentive.
You know I am talking about when Jesus appeared to the disciples.

And YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!
I know he is alive today.
You are killing me this.
You know what I am talking about yet you still henpeck like a grouchy old woman.
It is really unbecoming.

I thought we were discussing the kind of Body Jesus had when he appeared to the disciples. So that is what I answered to.

This is not a game of chess where you have to try anticipate a persons moves. We are discussing the spiritual body and what kind will we have. You gave an example and felt like you did not stress the fact that his glorified body is not like ours. IT is MORE!
---ginger on 5/21/12




"Josef, good answer to Nana." Thank you MarkV. I always give the best I know how, realizing that not all will agree:o) However, it is always good to hear that someone does:o)
---josef on 5/22/12


\\True, but it [[was]] not flesh and bone like ours. Ours is corruptable, his [[was]] incorruptable. Ours can't disappear and walk through walls or appear in 2 places at the same time. Jesus [[could]] do all these things.

Ours can't enter heaven. His [[could]]\\
---ginger on 5/20/12


Ginger, this may seem trivial, but it's a big sticking point for me.

The bracketed words in your post should be replaced with [[is, is, can, can]]

You speak as though Jesus is not alive today, and unfortunately most follow suit.

I assure you that He is risen, and still has an incorruptible body. He can still defy our natural laws

He "IS", not "WAS"

The same yesterday, today and forever
---James_L on 5/20/12


Josef, good answer to Nana. Jesus was also God and so had the power to raise up His own body. A body raised up, not like ours now which is corruptable, but an incorruptable glorified body prepared for eternity.
---Mark_V. on 5/21/12


There is nothing wrong with being a spirit. However, the fact that Jesus specifically said, after his resurrection, that he was flesh and bone which a spirit does not have, this should indicate that Jesus was NOT a mere spirit. This is not my conjecture or deduction. this is what Jesus specifically told his disciples.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/12


True, but it was not flesh and bone like ours. Ours is corruptable, his was incorruptable. Ours can't disappear and walk through walls or appear in 2 places at the same time. Jesus could do all these things.
Ours can't enter heaven. His could. That is also what kind of body we will have, too.
---ginger on 5/20/12


"So, a man paralized from birth will get a full working body at the resurrection?" Yes.
"Will it be the same 'dirt' fully functioning?" No.
"what would be the use of that new flesh?" Tangibility
"Will they be tending the garden once more?" They will be about the Father''s business, what ever that is for them individually.
---josef on 5/20/12


No, Jesus was not a spirit then. It is clear from "I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."
Some go to extremes to safegard their appendix, removed during surgery for their burial day which I consider a bit extreme.

So, a man paralized from birth will get a full working body at the resurrection? Will it be the same 'dirt' fully functioning? No marrying or marriage, the most basic of the flesh's needs.., what would be the use of that new flesh? Will they be tending the garden once more?
---Nana on 5/18/12


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Strongaxe, very good points you gave concerning those who rose again and then explaining the resurrection.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


Nana:

You said: Anything wrong with being a spirit? God is a spirit.

There is nothing wrong with being a spirit. However, the fact that Jesus specifically said, after his resurrection, that he was flesh and bone which a spirit does not have, this should indicate that Jesus was NOT a mere spirit. This is not my conjecture or deduction. this is what Jesus specifically told his disciples.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/12


Anything wrong with being a spirit? God is a spirit.
Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
John 10:17_18 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."
"This is an evil generation: they seek a sign, and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet."
---Nana on 5/17/12


earl:

You said: Did Jesus re place his self in a imperfect human body-no

You misunderstand resurrection. It raises one who has died in a corruptible mortal body, in an incorruptible immortable body. As Jesus was the first to do this, he is the first-fruits of resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20). This is totally different from previous people raised from the dead - they were raised back into their old corruptible mortal bodies (that would later die again by natural means).

Luke 24:39
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

Jesus came back in the flesh, not as a vision or spirit.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/12


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Cluny,
Really ?
Mark says after appearing with Mary Jesus appeared in (another form) to two others there after appeared again to the apostles then ascended.
Luke says the the same in order but Jesus is saying he is not spirit but flesh and bone there after ascended.
John says also Mary was first but no mention of the two on a road but to the disciples next without Thomas but then later with Thomas but did not ascend thereafter as the other two gospels but made another appearance by the sea side.
Mark flat out states in another form after Mary.Luke and John counter another (form).
If a human body is changed then it is not human.

A human body = corrupt?

Did Jesus re place his self in a imperfect human body-no.
---earl on 5/17/12


\\Jesus as spirit sits at the right hand of God \\

WRONG!

Jesus rose from the tomb and ascended into heaven in His PHYSICAL, GLORIFIED body.

"A spirit does NOT have flesh and bones as you see I have," He said at one of His resurrectional appearances.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/12


"a spirit can live without a body".
I disagree
All spirits have form.
Jesus as spirit sits at the right hand of God .Wether the actual term 'sits' is accurate the action is implied that Jesus is at a location next to God and not implied as a gigantic blanket hovering or covering as if it were like our atmosphere covering our earth.
John's Revelation visions did not describe spirits or angels without a form neither were the resurected mortals he saw.
---earl on 5/17/12


"It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." (in 1 Corinthians 15:44)

So, I understand that the Holy Spirit changes the natural, physical body into a spiritual body . . . transforming it. It happens like how a light bulb has a dark wire inside while the electricity is off, but when the electricity goes through the wire in the bulb, the wire is transformed into being so bright and hot.
---willie_c: on 5/14/12


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Aka, I think you described it simply and well.
---Catholicus on 5/13/12


physical or spirit?

a spirit can live without a body. a body cannot live without a spirit.

right now, we have a physical body that contains a spirit.

so, i imagine we will have a spirit that contains the body.
---aka on 5/13/12


All I know is my dear brothers can't die in Heaven! Can't wait to see them, whatever bodies they have!
---Mary on 5/13/12


We will be in our glorified bodies. Our finite minds can't comprehend what that means and neither can my mind, but I believe the bible.

There's a scripture in Thessolians that refers to this...being transformed into our Glorified body.
---anon on 5/13/12


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"What kind of body will we have in the resurrection...physical or spirit?"
The same type of Physical body as Jesus has. For He "shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,.." Phl 3:21
Our bodies which are " sown in corruption, [shall be] raised in incorruption: It is sown a natural body, [as one govern by it's appetite and passion], [and is] raised a spiritual body. [as one brought into existence by the Word of God, and governed by His Spirit.] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1Cr 15:42,44,49
---josef on 5/13/12


What kind of body will we have in the resurrection...physical or spirit?
---Sandy_G on 5/12/12

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit [them], and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

I do not think that a spirit has need of food or a house

Our bodies will surely be physical. But surely different in ways that Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, 1 Corinthians 2:9
---francis on 5/12/12


Based on what Scripture says, I "speculate" a body combination of both, physical & a quickened/regenerated spirit. Jesus, when He was resurrected was able to eat & drink, & to be physically touched. Yet, He was also able to go through walls & suddenly vanish from sight.
---Leon on 5/12/12


1 Corinthians 15 describes the new body as spiritual and indestructible. Note especially verses 35-49.
---Catholicus on 5/12/12


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