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Are children (ages 11 and 15) old enough to be baptized? Can they really "count the cost" as the scripture says one is to do before one is baptized?

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Trish:

When Peter told Jesus that he could avoid death, Jesus didn't mince words. He didn't try to avoid offence. He used one of the most vile names known in his culture. He called Peter Satan!

(Note that I am not advocating being insensitive to innocents here, just those whose actions warrant insensitivity.)
---StrongAxe on 6/1/12


\\How could it be unclear who the legitimate government of Birmingham was? Surely city and state laws were fairly clear about the election process, and specified when newly-elected officials assumed the offices?\\

Not in this case.

I lived in Birmingham during that time and I know what happened. It's not something that can be explained in a mere 125 words, and it doesn't relate directly to the subject of the blog anyway.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/12


Scott1, if you took the time to read early Christian History you would know when a head of household was converted and baptized all members of the household including slaves children and infants we also baptized to put them under the protective covenant of YHWH.

As the persecution of Christians increased the need for immediacy triumphed waiting for good weather for emersion baptisms and pouring and sprinkling were used to get members of household under the protective covalent with all deliberate speed particularly when the converts were out of Palestine in the north eastern Mediterranean area with colder winter conditions.
---Blogger9211 on 5/31/12


Cluny: I do not consider the legalized racism silly. Silly is shooting rubber bands at a friend. Racism is not silly.

As for King's timing when he arrived in Birmingham, so what? The N-word has been used since the days of slavery to degrade and denigrate an entire race of people. I know plenty of people that find it extremely offensive, and I am one of them. I also know plenty of people who equate that word with the R-word.

Christians should not use either word, even if they are joking, or trying to prove a point about someone. Our speech, both written and spoken, should be a reflection of our Lord, Jesus Christ. If it isn't, we are not being a true witness.
---Trish on 5/31/12


StrongAxe, I think Cluny is correct. There are plenty of occurrances when authority or government or jurisdiction is unclear.
---Jed on 5/31/12




Cluny:

How could it be unclear who the legitimate government of Birmingham was? Surely city and state laws were fairly clear about the election process, and specified when newly-elected officials assumed the offices?



Blogger9211:

You said: The issue was settled in 1525 when the Anabaptist we declared heretics and expelled from Protestantism forever.

When one group (e.g. Protestant) expels another (e.g. Anabaptists), how do you know who is right? Remember the Catholics also expelled the Protestants as heretics!



Scott1:

What do Adam and Eve have to do with baptism?
---StrongAxe on 5/31/12


\\I tell them about Dr. Martin Luther King, and how he went to jail for those rights.\\

I was a 12 year old in Birmingham when MLK came to our city.

What the demonstrations were about was integrating downtown businesses. There were white businesses that didn't cater to blacks--but there were black owned businesses that would not cater to whites. (A silly situation, I admit.)

However, he chose to come when NOBODY knew who the legitimate government of Birmingham was: the old commission which had been in office for barely 2 years, or the newly elected mayor and council. It was thrown into the federal courts, and MLK exploited an unstable situation.

Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/12


---Blogger9211 on 5/31/12.
Please show me where infant baptism or baptism before conversion/salvation/whatever you want to call it is in the Bible. Adam and Eve even after the fall were still in the protection of God.
---Scott1 on 5/31/12


As soon after birth as practical to be under the protective covenant of YHWH. The issue was settled in 1525 when the Anabaptist we declared heretics and expelled from Protestantism forever. If you reject infant baptism you are a heretic and have excluded yourself from the kingdom of God, enjoy your Reprobation.
---Blogger9211 on 5/31/12


StrongAxe, I'm not really sure where that all just came from. A little off topic I believe. But nonetheless, I absolutely agree.
---Jed on 5/31/12




Jed:

In exactly the same way, words like "ignorant" can describe people with no natural mental deficiencies, but rather, act an ignorant fashion purely due to choice or laziness.

The Bible does not condemn natural disability, but DOES condemn wilful inability. For example, 2 Thessalonians 3:10 says "if any would not work, neither should he eat.". It does not say "if any CANNOT work", but rather "if any WOULD NOT work". This is not the ruthless "useless eater" theory like that of the Nazis (who tossed out the old, disabled, and anyone else unproductive as if they were garbage). It condemns those who are ineffective because of their own WILFUL choice.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/12


Trish, you do realize that that word actually refers to a certain type of destructive lifestyle and culture that really exists, right? It's talking about the inner-city filth that you see day to day that corrupts our society. The foul language, the disrespect for other people's property, the drugs, the pants that expose their butt crack to the entire world. Those kind of people that seek that image, regardless of race, can be correctly classified as the N-word. In that context, the word is not racist at all. It's a disgusting cultural issue that needs to be called what it is. I'm not talking about the 60's. What happened about people being hosed was wrong. But I'm talking about how the word is used today. It's not the same.
---Jed on 5/30/12


Jed: I taught in an inner city school district for 18 years. Prior to that, I taught in a youth detention center for two years. I believe I can speak with some authority on the use of the N-word. It was always offensive and derogatory no matter who said it.

While I did have some African American students who would use that word, as their rapper role models do, I would correct them. I would talk to them about what it was like to grow up in the 60s, watching people getting hosed for wanting their basic civil rights. I tell them about Dr. Martin Luther King, and how he went to jail for those rights.

I also told them that when they use that word, they are showing people they have no self-respect.
---Trish on 5/30/12


Trish, now you have suggested that the word "retard" is the same thing as using the N-word. I disagree. The word "retard" is always offensive because it is making fun of mentally handicapped people who did not choose that life. The N-word, however, can be fully appropriate at times because it describes someone who has chosen a particular lifestyle. It is no longer used primarily as a doragatory word for a particular race anymore. These days, it can be used to describe any person of any race who has chosen to conform to a particular low-class lifestyle and culture.
---Jed on 5/30/12


Strongaxe, thanks for clarifying. I did see the disclaimer, but became upset because it was the second time in two weeks I saw that offensive word on a blog here at Christianet. Jed used it last time in reference to Eloy. Regardless of whether it is a quote, or justifiably used in reference to someone, I do not believe it is necessary to use that word on a Christian site. Those of us who are blessed with normal, or high, IQs can come up with more appropriate ways to communicate.
---Trish on 5/27/12


Trish:

I am very sorry if I offended you or your nephew. I specifically said the comment was politically incorrect. I did not invent it - I just quoted it in context. This was not to disparage the Special Olympics or special needs people, but rather people who fight on the internet (who have a choice in it).

In CSI episode 3.8 (Snuff), a man who callously murdered a Down's Syndrome youth (whom he despised and called a "retard") was told on the way to jail: By the way, the definition of the word "retard" is "to hinder or to hold someone back". I think your life is about to become retarded.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/12


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Strongaxe: You said, "Fighting on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics: Even if you win, you're still retarded."

My nephew is a Special Olympics athlete. I am very upset that a Christian would post such an insulting comment. The word "retard" or "retarded" is like the N-word, and should not be used, especially by a Christian.

There is a campaign by many different groups to put an end to the use of that word.

Special Olympics does wonderful work in raising the athletes' self-esteem and developing social skills. In Special Olympics, everyone is considered a winner. There is never any booing.

You have insulted a precious member of my family.
---Trish on 5/27/12


Trav:

You said: It is not clear who is the pot and who is the kettle. I see no rest on either sooty side.

I was referring to specifically to some like Eloy, who frequently insult others. They cannot very well claim moral high ground and scream in righteous indignation when others in turn insult them back.

You said: Proverbs 29:9
If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.


Very true!
There is a more modern (and somewhat politically incorrect) version of this:

Fighting on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics:
Even if you win, you're still retarded.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/12


If a pot calls a kettle black, it cannot complain when the kettle does the same.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12

It is not clear who is the pot and who is the kettle. I see no rest on either sooty side.


Proverbs 29:9
If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.
---Trav on 5/25/12


Strongaxe, thanks for the reference. I wasn't sure where that was coming from. Now let me ask you a question, "how old does one need to be to decide to follow Christ?" I believe the answer lies with the individual. I believe some are ready at a very early age. Take for example the prophet Samuel, or Jeramiah. Both began to follow and serve God at very early ages.
---trey on 5/24/12


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I have understood this simply to be that His time had not yet come. Are you suggesting there is more to it than that?
---Chria9396 on 5/24/12
Not a suggestion, there is more to it than that.
---michael_e on 5/24/12


"There is reason for him being baptised at 30 instead of 12
---michael_e on 5/23/12 "

I have understood this simply to be that His time had not yet come. Are you suggesting there is more to it than that?
---Chria9396 on 5/24/12


trey:

Luke 14:28 (part of 25-35):
"For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?"

Jesus was talking about people becoming his desciples, and the cost involved (i.e. giving up everything to follow him). It's foolish to undertake ANYTHING without counting the cost, because if you get half finished and realize you can't afford the rest of the cost to finish, you're worse off than when you started, since all you effort would have been for nothing.



Eloy:

If it's right for you to sue Jed for insulting you, you should glady expect many people to sue YOU for calling them unsaved, blasphemers, full of darkness, etc.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/12


Trey re counting the cost: I was referring to Luke 14 where Christ said, "If anyone comes to Me (V26) and does not first sit down and count the cost (V28). Acts 2:38 states "repent and be baptised". Seems like both of these are a part of "coming to Me". If so it would follow that one must count the cost before committing oneself (of which baptism is the outward manifestation) to the Christian way of life.
---Sandy_G on 5/23/12


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Eloy, you must really be ignorant if you think you are going to sue me for calling you a retard. First of all, you haven't the slightest clue of my identity. Secondly,I have a right to free speech. It's in the constitution, you should read about it some time. I can call you whatever I want and there is nothing you can do about it. Thirdly, if you could sue someone for calling you a retard, then they can also sue you for calling them stupid and saying they are unsaved or non-christian, but of course you can't because we have freedom of speech. I can call you whatever I want. You only display your ignorance and foolishness when you make empty threats you could not possibly fufill, retard.
---Jed on 5/23/12


//By the way, why don't you try reading my earlier comment and this time try reading with understanding.//
I read it again

earlier comment
//michael e apparently you don't know what your talking about. The scripture you are refering to has nothing to do with Christ's baptism. Christ wasn't baptised until age 30 (Matt 3:16).//
Luke 2:40-42 Has nothing to do with Christs' baptism???
The QUESTION is why wasn't he baptized at age 12?
He was surely "Accountable"

There is reason for him being baptised at 30 instead of 12
---michael_e on 5/23/12


Sandy G, please tell me where in the scriptures it states that we are to count the cost. I've done some looking and did not find what you are referencing. I am asking in sincerity.

When the eunich asked Phillip what was standing in the way of him being baptized, Phillip stated:
Ac8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
It seems to me if one is old enough to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and they desire to be baptized, I do not see anything that should hinder them do you?
---trey on 5/22/12


Jed, I pray that you repent from your foolishness, and get saved. I am not retarded, and I may seriously sue you at the courts for your remarks.
---Eloy on 5/22/12


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Eloy, go take a bath, hippie.
---Jed on 5/23/12


\\jed, Become a Christian, than after Christ is on the inside of you you will not sin in that manner, nor have any need to apologize for speaking derogatory remarks against Christians.
---Eloy on 5/21/12\\

Were youm Christianed, Eloy, youm would not speak the blasphemies against God or Christians that youm do.

\\Jesus tells me that this type of sin from jed is expected when we preach the truth.\\

I don't know how many people youm think youm are, or how many demons are inside of youm by which youm speak, but neither they nor youm are saved.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/12


michael_e, Are you saying that because Christ was not baptized until age 30 that we should not be baptized until age 30? If not, tell us all when the appropriate age is since you are so wise. By the way, why don't you try reading my earlier comment and this time try reading with understanding.
---trey on 5/21/12


Eloy:

Why would you recommend getting saved to Jed, so he can apologize for speaking derogatory remarks against Christians - when you yourself claim to be saved, yet you constantly speak derogatory remarks against anyone who disagrees with you (including other Christians) and never apologize for it? Even the Apostles themselves were not without flaws, and they freely admitted this. Only Saint Eloy considers himself to be as perfect as God himself. There was one other being in the Bible who considered himself to be on the same level as God. Guess who that was?
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12


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Eloy, please, for your own sake seek some professional help. And I don't just mean a counselour or psychologist. You need to see a phychiatrist. I think you could really benefit from some medication. Then, when you are able to take control of your own mind, stop blaspheming God and trying to liken yourself to Jesus Christ. You are nothing like Jesus. Stop your wichcraft and repent and become saved. But try the medication thing, I think that may help.
---Jed on 5/21/12


jed, Become a Christian, than after Christ is on the inside of you you will not sin in that manner, nor have any need to apologize for speaking derogatory remarks against Christians.
---Eloy on 5/21/12


MODERATOR....Why allow such a word to be used??????
---KarenD on 5/21/12


Jesus tells me that this type of sin from jed is expected when we preach the truth. For they that are Christless did not respect Christ either, but instead they called him all manner of blasphemy. And as they blasphemed our Christ, they will likewise blaspheme us whom are from Christ.
---Eloy on 5/21/12


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The best age for water baptism is "upon belief", recognizing the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Symbolizing the death of the "old man" and the birth of the "new".
Of course, the most important bapstism is "of the Spirit" which immediately happens upon belief.
So faith come by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
---micha9344 on 5/21/12


\\I do agree that Eloy needs to repent and get saved. I also agree that he is sinning by calling people that disagree with him stupid.
---Trish on 5/20/12\\

That's minor.

Eloy is a Sabellian modalist (thus not a Christian) and frequently confuses himself with the Holy Spirit, to say nothing about his overweening pride, which is one of the symptoms of spiritual delusion or prelest.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/12


Trish, KarenD:

I too initially raised an eyebrow when I saw Jed's post, and was especially surprised that the moderators allowed it. However, Eloy himself used the phrase "stupid people".

Eloy claims to have the mind of Christ, so presumably he follows Jesus's teachings. If he calls others stupid, then by Jesus's own Golden Rule, this can only mean that he must be happy with others calling HIM stupid, and would have no right to complain if they do so.

If a pot calls a kettle black, it cannot complain when the kettle does the same.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


sandy_g, God does not put any age regulation upon children before they get baptized. "Let them come to me, and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of heaven!" God simply commands, Baptize. And whole households receive the promise, for God's promise is to you and to your children and to all your house. God does not say that a person must first understand the reason for baptism before getting baptized. If that were the case, then when would, as jed foolishly misnamed me, "when would those with retardation get baptized?" If a person must first understand all the whys-and-wherefores of God's commandments before obeying him, then a lot of people would remain in their disobedience to God.
---Eloy on 5/20/12


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Sorry to all those who were offended by my use of the word "retard". I normally do not use that word, or the word "stupid" for that matter. I was actually using that word with sarcasm. I was trying to demonstrate to Eloy how ignorant he sounds to call people who don't believe like him stupid. And how ignorant he always sounds while demeaning and degrading other people. I agree, this kind of language is very un-Christ like. I was using it as a demonstration.
---Jed on 5/20/12


cluny, you can call my response gnosticism, but it is right from scripture.

but read and understand the scripture that you incorrectly quoted in context:

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

that is the maturity (or lack thereof) that i am speaking of and not secret knowledge.
---aka on 5/20/12


Jed: I totally agree with your rebuke of Eloy, except your choice of the word "retard." There is a movement among many organizations, including Special Olympics, to put an end to the use of that word. It is demeaning to people with intellectual disabilities. My 29 year old nephew has struggled his entire life with this, and my family has volunteered with Special Olympics and hate to see people use that word.

I am surprised to see you using it, given your line of work.

I do agree that Eloy needs to repent and get saved. I also agree that he is sinning by calling people that disagree with him stupid.
---Trish on 5/20/12


\\this is not the whole verse. water baptism is not about washing away sin,\\

Yes, it is.

\\water baptism without the proper maturity in the Lord does not save.\\

Yes, it does.

It's all GOD'S work, independent of anything from us.

To say we must be "mature" or "understand" for God to work in our lives is the heresy of gnosticism.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/12


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"jed, Woe to them that call evil good and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Enough that the disciple the person be as one's Master, and the servant as one's Lord. If they called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his househhold? Yet are justified, by the wisdom from all the children of him. They that are well need not a physician, but they that are sick: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. The senseless person knows not, neither does a fool understand this. I tell you, except you all repent, you all will all likewise perish."
---Eloy on 5/20/12


Jed...Is your last name Clampett? That would explain why you would use a word like "retard" in your answer. That words is so negative!!! If you knew anyone who was mentally challenged you would never use that word again.

The age for salvation is not listed in the Bible. Each person is totally different. Some children are more accountable at five than some of the adults on these blogs.
---KarenD on 5/20/12


Eloy:

You just said I translated them from the lit.Greek, and not from any of the English versions on the market.

In Different Bible Versions, on 3/17/12, you said: All English translations published after the 1611 A.D. King James Version are corrupt, and therefore unholy.

Unless you are 400+ years old, we must conclude from your own words that your own translations must also necessarily be corrupt, since you made and published them long after 1611. (Either that, they aren't really English).

I had mentioned this contradiction when you first made that claim, but you never answered it. So, are your own translatinos corrupt? And if not, how are yours the only exceptions?
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


Out of the mouth the heart speaks: I see that there are some needing a new heart.
---Eloy on 5/20/12


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Eloy, You repent, you stupid retard.
---Jed on 5/20/12


sandy_g, I have zero shame for preaching the truth. Repent, then address me.
---Eloy on 5/20/12


sandy,

michael e has a pretty good grip on the subject. baptism as most would like us to believe is water baptism. there is no man-generated ceremony, ritual, sacrament in spiritual baptism.

"Baptism doth now save us." 1 Peter 3:21.

this is not the whole verse. water baptism is not about washing away sin, it is about a good conscience toward God. water baptism without the proper maturity in the Lord does not save. in the proper maturation process, there will be a spiritual baptism without the show of man. it takes time, which takes years.
---aka on 5/19/12


\\Also Acts8:12 states that "both men and women" were baptised, and Acts 5:14 that,"And believers were added all the more to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women." Notice no mention of children.\\

But Acts 2:39 mentions CHILDREN.

And 1 Cor 10 says that ALL, including the children, went through the Baptism of Moses in the Red Sea. They didn't leave the children behind until they could "understand" or "have faith."

What do you suppose would have happened to the little ones had they done so?

No, the babes and children underwent the Baptism of Moses on the authority of their parents' faith.

"Now, these things are for our examples."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/12


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Trey, try reading.
Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age..
The question is why wasn't he baptized at age 12?

Luke 2:40 He was "strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him."
42 "he was twelve years old,"
There is reason He was baptized at 30 instead of 12.
---michael_e on 5/19/12


Michael e: Thank you for bringing out a scripture that gives food for thought on this subject. Also Acts8:12 states that "both men and women" were baptised, and Acts 5:14 that,"And believers were added all the more to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women." Notice no mention of children.

Eloy: Shame on you for calling people with a different understanding than you stupid.
---Sandy_G on 5/19/12


\\trish, I already posted the books, the chapters, and the verses, Look them up. I translated them from the lit.Greek, and not from any of the English versions on the market.\\

Yourm translations are just as corrupted as anyone else's.

In fact, more so, as youm have proven by yourm posts elsewhere that youm are not a Christian as youm do not believe in the REAL Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Nobody is interested in yourm corrupted translations.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/12


Eloy: I do not trust any of your translation of any verse of any scripture. I know what the Word of God says about baptism. Repeatedly it says that we are to believe and be baptized, not be baptized to get saved.

I was baptized out of obedience, which is what baptism is about. Jesus was baptized out of obedience to the Father.

People who accept Christ who don't get baptized yet, because of scheduling, don't go to Hell if they die before the baptism service.
---Trish on 5/19/12


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Eloy:

You said: If you really do believe that baptism has zero to do with salvation, then WHY were you yourself baptized?

You are implying that if something isn't related to salvation, there's no point in doing it.

Paul said that salvation was by faith, not by works. This means that ALL of our works have "zero" to do with salvation. If this is the case, do you do any works at all? And if so, why, since they have nothing to do with salvation?
---StrongAxe on 5/19/12


trish, I already posted the books, the chapters, and the verses, Look them up. I translated them from the lit.Greek, and not from any of the English versions on the market.
Think on this: If you really do believe that baptism has zero to do with salvation, then WHY were you yourself baptized? And Jesus he himself got baptized "to fulfill all righteousness". Therefore, if Jesus, perfect and holy, was not above baptism, then whom is that one whom thinks that they are better than Jesus to not obey the word from God and get baptized? When God says DO! then we just Do, we do not balk at his command. Dissers are condemned, and their part is removed from the kingdom of heaven.
---Eloy on 5/19/12


Children should get baptized. God doed not restrict any soul from baptism, stupid people do, but not God: God's arms are wide open.
---Eloy on 5/19/12


If an 11 year old is brought up to be unable to think and evaluate, the person may never become able to count a cost. Look at how so many adults have gotten married and even remarried and still haven't gotten it.

It depends, partly, on the culture, how children are brought up. Those three Aborigine girls in that movie based on a real event were able to make their choice and walk more than a thousand miles to get home to their family. Because they were brought up to be able to.

If you know what you are doing with your children, you can tell with God what they are ready for and when.
---willie_c: on 5/19/12


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michael_e apparently you don't know what your talking about. The scripture you are refering to has nothing to do with Christ's baptism. Christ wasn't baptised until age 30 (Matt 3:16).

Mt19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
When is a person too young to serve God?

Mt21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea, have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
---trey on 5/19/12


The Bible is correct: "Baptism DOES now save us." 1 Peter 3:21.
---Eloy on 5/19/12


//Are children (ages 11 and 15) old enough to be baptized?//
Apparently not Jesus, at 12 wasn't ready, but He was at thirty. Did you ever wonder why?

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age
---michael_e on 5/18/12


\\Eloy: Water baptism does not bring a person their salvation.\\

"Baptism doth now save us." 1 Peter 3:21.

Who is right: Trish or the Bible?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


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Eloy: What passage of Scripture are you rewriting? This is what Jesus said.

Matthew 28: 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
---Trish on 5/18/12


trish, Baptism is a crucial part of salvation. God says, Yes, baptism indeed is for Salvation, but unsaved sinners say, No. Jesus says: "Go all you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature, whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned. When once waited the God of longsuffering in days of Noah preparing the ark, in being few, that being eight lives were saved by water: then a before type, now baptism saves us, not a putting off of rank skin, but a good conscience up-praying up to God through resurrection of Jesus Christ." Mk.16:15,16+ I Pt.3:20,21.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


If you are old enough to be used by sata, then you are old enough to be used by Jesus. That is the age at which people should get baptized.

The age wherethey are old enough to be used
---francis on 5/18/12


Eloy: Water baptism does not bring a person their salvation. Baptism is an act of obedience once a person is saved. You have it backwards.
---Trish on 5/18/12


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"count the cost" of baptism? This is NonBiblical, for noone can purchase baptism. Baptism is all from God, 100%, and zero from man. Mankind cannot impart any thing into God's baptism: no analyzing, no spirituality, no intelligence, and no any thing, but only- Obey and be Baptized. Mankind can only give their acceptance, their obedience, to his Command to submit to baptism, and when we do then God our Father welcomes us into his kingdom, born into newness of life, into his family.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


Jed and Trey: Thank you for your imput. It gives me a different aspect of the issue than what I have experienced in my church life.
---Sandy_G on 5/18/12


When one is born of the Spirit of God, they are at the correct age for baptism. Both of my girls were baptised at early ages. We did not push either of the girls to be baptized. One afternoon my wife found my youngest crying, she was 4. My wife asked her why she was crying, she stated that she felt so sorry for her sins. Godly sorrow for sin is a sign that one has been born again. 6 years later at age 10 she asked to be baptized. My oldest daughter told our old pastor at age 6 that she loved Jesus. She knew what she felt. She was baptized at 11.
Christ said, "suffer little children and forbid them not to come unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven."
By the way, the girls are grown and still love the Lord!
---trey on 5/17/12


Sandy G, Are you then suggesting that an 11 or 15 year old person is too young to come to Christ and be saved? In some societies 15 is the regular age of marriage. I remember when my mother explained salvation to me. I was 4, and I was old enough then to understand right and wrong, and that the punishment for sin is hell, but that Jesus had died to take my punishment and all I had to do was ask for forgiveness. I understood it at the age of 4 and I prayed with my mother and accepted Jesus. I think believers have to count the cost every day if you are really obeying God.
---Jed on 5/17/12


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Cluny: Please excuse my ignorance of the beliefs of most of those on here as I have not visited here often.
Re count the cost. I was referring to Luke 14 where Christ said, "If anyone comes to me (V26)... and does not first sit down and count the cost (V28). Because of Acts 2:38 I figured that repentance and baptism both were a part of "coming to Me". I come from a church that believed in adult baptism and now some are having a change of mind. Hence my question.
---Sandy_G on 5/17/12


There is no need to "count the cost," as you put it. Baptism is an act of obedience. Period.

My children were in junior high when they were baptized. The only requirement for baptism is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. That is why it is called Believer's Baptism.
---Trish on 5/17/12


If baptism accomplishes nothing in the spiritual order, as most people here believe, what difference does the age make, or even if you do it at all?

BTW--NOWHERE does the Bible say to "count the cost before baptism" or anything similar.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/12


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