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Leon:

If you are tying "nephilim" to Adam's fall, you might be able to conjecture that giants are descendents of Adam, but this STILL has nothing to do with Cain. Try again.

And far from being my "delusion and foolishness", the "angels" theory is widely believed - it isn't something I made up. What do you think Jude was talking about in Jude 1:6?

But I DO agree that the "angels" theory is still speculation, and cannot be robustly proven from scripture, as there is little scripture to link angels to giants. On the other hand, the "Cain" theory has NO scriptures to support to link Cain to giants whatsoever!
---StrongAxe on 5/24/12


"I don't always agree with Leon, but if he wants to blog 2 times or 30, doesn't matter. Can always do another blog.
Don't agree with the giant thing Leon reference Cain. It is though a view point like many others."
---chris on 5/24/12


Thanks Chris for your "big" hearted civility! :)

"Leon, over sized & under sized people are born from regular people. Some giant traits may be genetically inherited, & some are random occurrences not traceable back to ancestry."
---Eloy on 5/24/12


True Eloy! It's a matter of family genetic traits. So, the "daughters of men" (G6:2) likely weren't all "BIG" girls, neither were ALL of their sons "GIANTS".
---Leon on 5/24/12


Not accurately understanding the beginning (foundation) of the Bible, in right perspective, throws out of alignment subsequent understanding. That's what the enemy of our soul wants. He can't destroy the Bible, but he certainly can & has been actively distorting (sabotaging) it by numerous suggestive interpretations of people & religious organizations down thru the ages.

It's vital for all believers to buy God's truth only (Pv. 23:23). We must pay attention & daily spend time in God's word (the Bible) & ask Him for interpretive guidance of His word. Never presume you, or anyone else you may be enamored with, can correctly interpret the words of God. That's the same trick the devil used on Eve (naive). BIG mistake! :)
---Leon on 5/24/12


I must agree with Leon when he points out that "fallen ones" has a more contextual meaning if you remember that the fallen ones were the HUMAN RACE after Adam's fall. All mankind before the time of the flood can be traced directly back to Adam... not ANGELS.
If the flood came to wipe out the mixture of angels and humans, THEN GOD MISSED HIS TARGET... SEEING THERE WERE STILL GIANTS AFTER THE FLOOD.

ALSO... Once again, I challenge the bad Greek to English translations of the word angels in Jude and 2Peter. Neither has anything to do with angels sinning(ANGELS DO NOT SIN). Those epistles clearly have everything to do with HUMAN "messengers" sinning. Specifically the sinning children of Israel leaving Egypt.
---Legends on 5/24/12


Joining Jude 1:6 to Gen 6:4 because of "fallen" is just as intrepretive as joining Gen 4:15 to Gen 6:4 because of "the mark."
"Nephylim" is used in only one other verse, Num 13:33.
Here we do not see "fallen" nor "marked" ones, but sons of Anak: Anakims.
These Anakims were also called Rephaims just as the Emims: Deu 2:11-12 and the Zuzims: Due 2:20, all different names for giants or giant tribes.
Now, some of the rephaim were Philistines (Philistim): Gen 10:6,13-14)Jos(11:22).
Either all of these Rephaim are of angelic offspring, of Cain (flood?), or God's variety built into the human gene pool as we see today. The closer to Adam, the purer the gene pool, the more variety.
---micha9344 on 5/24/12




"Never mind aka. I'm not going to waste time running around in circles with you. Peace! :)"
leon

translation: i can't defend my position so as well as aka, i will make silly statements directed at others and put a smiley face so i look like the good guy.

disagreeing is not throwing rocks.
---aka on 5/24/12


"...the Hebrew word translated as "giants" is "nephilim"...mean[ing] "fallen ones", suggesting fallen angels...lived in the earth rather than in heaven, which fits in with the rest of the verse..."
---StrongAxe on 5/23/12


So, your conjectures (dogmatic pronouncements) fit but my human-giants belief doesn't? :) You do realize when Adam sinned he caused the "DOWNFALL" of humanity? Your angel-giants "suggestion" is a delusion (foolishness) & an unbelievable stretch of your vain imagination. Suggesting such a notion is light years out of context with Scripture. Where on earth are your fallen angels now? You're desperately trying to square peg a round hole!
---Leon on 5/24/12


Leon, over sized and under sized people are born from regular people. Some giant traits may be genetically inherited, and some are random occurrences not traceable back to ancestry.
---Eloy on 5/24/12


Leon, peace I leave you, and I really mean it. It was a good topic to talk about but. To me it has the same ending as the topic francis presented when he said that God commanded man to keep Saturday Sabbath and to this day he hasn't found one passage to indicate God said such words. God also didn't say what day He begin creation, and on what day He rested. Unless someone wants to add to the word of God, there is no such passage. And and they swear it exist. Even want everyone to keep it or they are breaking the Ten Commandments.
---Mark_V. on 5/24/12


I don't always agree with Leon, but if he wants to blog 2 times or 30, doesn't matter. Can always do another blog.

Don't agree with the giant thing Leon reference Cain. It is though a view point like many others.
---chris on 5/24/12




Leon: "Jerry: Why don't you count your fingers, toes & holes in your nose...since you have nothing useful to contribute to this blog. Pleeeze give me a break with your nonsense! :D"

You are such an intellectual! I'm sure we can all learn a great deal from you. As for speculative nonsense, your "giant" theories top the list.


---jerry6593 on 5/24/12


Leon:

It doesn't matter whether Genesis 6:4 said there were giants, or cyclopses, or jesters, or insurance salesmen. There is absolutely nothing in this verse that connects these people to the story of Cain and his mark, other than pure conjecture in your own mind. It is fine to conjecture about what the Bible doesn't say, but it is foolish an dangerous to make dogmatic pronouncements such things.

Also, the Hebrew word translated as "giants" is "nephilim" (in the NIV this word is left untranslated), which actually means "fallen ones", suggesting fallen angels that lived in the earth rather than in heaven, which fits in with the rest of the verse, and also others like Jude 1:6.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/12


"...People speculating again."
---Mark_V. on 5/23/12


But of course your speculative speech is okay. Pleeeze! :/

"Leon: You have logged the vast majority of entries on your own blog (I count 17 of 58). Don't you think that shows poor chat etiquette?"
---jerry6593 on 5/23/12


Jerry: Why don't you count your fingers, toes & holes in your nose...since you have nothing useful to contribute to this blog. Pleeeze give me a break with your nonsense! :D
---Leon on 5/23/12


Leon, my pleasure. It's my feeble attempt to help lift people in this hard life.
---Eloy on 5/22/12

Really Eloy? By calling people stupid and blaspheming God by likening yourself to Christ? Yeah, way to be a witness and lift people up. Good one.
---Jed on 5/23/12


Leon, my pleasure. It's my feeble attempt to help lift people in this hard life.
---Eloy on 5/22/12


'Axe: You've carelessly read G6:4. Here's what you missed:

"[1.]There WERE [ALREADY ~ present tense] giants in the earth in those days, [2.] AND ALSO AFTER THAT [future tense],[WHEN?] when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old men of renown."

"I never said Cain's mark was irrelevant. I DID say... there's NOTHING in the bible...connect[ing] Cain's mark with giants."

In other words "irrelevant": not connected with or relevant to something. :) You are viewing it intellectually (with your natural eyes) & you (like so many CN bloggers) can't see it.
---Leon on 5/23/12


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Leon: You have logged the vast majority of entries on your own blog (I count 17 of 58). Don't you think that shows poor chat etiquette?


---jerry6593 on 5/23/12


Strongaxe, I agree with you concerning Cain. Cain never begged for God's protection, he was expressing his view now that God had cursed him. In response to Cain"s words of what he had done and how he figured he would die, God put a mark on Cain "lest anyone finding him should kill him" The mark involved some sort of identifiable sign that he was under divine protection which was mercifully given to Cain by God. At the same time the mark that saved him from been killed was the lifelong sign of his shame. Whatever sign it was, was good enough to scare others from killing him.
There's stories of Cain been killed by blind Lamech, and that the mark was a horn, but they are not found in the Bible. People speculating again.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/12


Leon:

I never said Cain's mark was irrelevant. I DID say that there is NOTHING in the bible whatsoever that connects Cain's mark with giants.

If you can find any scripture that actually connects these two events, we would be delighted to see it. But there isn't any such scripture. Your conjecture that they are related is pure speculation not supported by anything in Genesis.

The Bible DOES say where Giants came from in Genesis 6:4 - from the sons of God and the daughters of men. Note the total absence of the mention of "mark" and "Cain" here.

Darlene_1 and I believe what the Bible actually SAYS, but we are both skeptical about what it doesn't say, but that some people claim it does.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/12


"Romans 8:14...John 1:12...shows me the sons of God are...people who follow God's teaching, whether in old or new testament...it would defeat God's purpose of the curse & mark, which was punishment, to make him [Cain] a giant to protect him. He was meant to be an outcast..."
---Darlene_1 on 5/22/12


I agree 100% regarding the sons of God. Respectfully, I disagree with your Cain summary:
1.) His two-fold curse solely was an inability to grow crops & his being made a social outcast.
2.) Cain was clearly afraid he'd be killed by EVERY ONE. So, he begged God's protection & "THEN" the Lord compasionately marked him (I believe as a giant) "AFTER" he'd been cursed. (G4:14-15)
---Leon on 5/22/12


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Romans 8:14 As many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God. John 1:12 But as many as received Him ,to them gave He the power to become the sons of God,even unto them that believe on his name. This shows me the sons of God are those people who follow God's teaching,whether in Old Testament or the new Testament. As for Cain,it would defeat God's purpose of the curse and mark,which was punishment,to make him a giant to protect him. He was meant to be an outcast,a wanderer.
---Darlene_1 on 5/22/12


Darlene: I respect your stand not to believe what I believe the Bible says. Unless the Lord shows you otherwise, don't! I too have serious misgivings about the wild things blogger, etc., say the Bible says & supports, e.g., ecstatic babble (tongues, private prayer language), angels & women mating, & as you've mentioned God cursing Cain with black skin. Peace Sis!

Eloy: I appreciate your skewed humor. It helps lighten up the "big" disagreements here.

Peace Mark! :)
---Leon on 5/22/12


Gee, I don't think I deserve it, yet I can almost feel Cain's pain after being rejected (ostracized) by most EVERY ONE here. :)

As an aside to my original question, does being made a giant mean only vertical growth (tallness)? Wouldn't someone categorically be considered a giant if his/her body girth was 3-4 times that of the average person, e.g., like a sumo wrestler? Put down those rocks! :D
---Leon on 5/22/12


The Giants grocery stores began in February 1936 in Washington D.C. by N.M. Cohen and Samuel Lehrman.
---Eloy on 5/21/12


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Leon with all due respect to you,unless you can give me chapter and verse in the Bible which specifically says "God's sign on Cain was to make him a Giant" there is no way I can or will accept that opinion as a valid fact. I went to the verse you gave Genesis 4:15 I think it was and it didn't say God made Cain a Giant. In my research I found some churches thought God made Cains skin black as a sign he was cursed. I don't see that in the Bible either. Sorry Leon,to me if it isn't plainly said in the Bible,then it shouldn't be accepted. By the way sports figures may be a lot taller than usual but Giants in the Bible were about twice as tall as any of them. Too big to have babies with a normal size woman.Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 5/21/12


"Genesis 4 deals with Cain, 5 with subsequent generations to Noah, then 6 mentions giants - MUCH later. No connection."
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12


Sorry you don't get it 'Axe. You seem to suggest the mentioning of Cain's mark is insignificant & irrelevant, & probably shouldn't have even been mentioned in the Bible since it appears to you not to be connected to anything else in particular ~ certainly not to giants. In essence you're saying you don't know where giants came from because you think the Bible doesn't say.

"ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2 Tim. 3:16)
---Leon on 5/22/12


Never mind aka. I'm not going to waste time running around in circles with you. Peace! :)

"Leon seems to always come up with some far fetched interpretations & then tries to fit the rest of the Bible into them.[?]
He beraids [?] others...not holding to his view[s] because...his view[s] is [are] the correct...
He's a divider & does not gather the flock, but scatters abroad.
(Rom 16:17)...
--Mark them that cause division, make them stand out, like a sore thumb: not an elevated position, like a giant.
Remember his views on Job? Eve? now Cain?"
---micha9344 on 5/21/12


Gee micha! You really can spew a lot of great swelling, holier than thou, words. Does this mean we're not friends? Oh well!
---Leon on 5/22/12


Leon, I love you as a brother but what I see that you do is that you like to talk about subjects that you have come to a conclusion on in your mind. I know I think of many things that are not explained in Scripture, but again if we speculate on something that is not Truth from Scripture, then you begin to believe on that untruth. Micha is right, it is ok to talk about such things but when people reject what you say, you do get angry as you did with me once and didn't want to hear what I had to say.
I believe we can discuss any subject as believers, even those we don't have information on, but do not accuse others just because they give you an answer.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


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"made a giant ???

leon, you are coming very close to adding to as you have in the past."
---aka on 5/20/12


Wow ~ that's a really gigantic accusation!!! :)
---Leon on 5/21/12


Leon, Analysis and observation can be related, but in this case it is not. your next statement is a judgement that you make. ... The defense of a sensanationalist.

again, in this case just like the last, you have nothing to make your claim. the fact that i disagree with you does not mean that i do not spend time in the bible. i have no doubt that you do.
---aka on 5/21/12


Leon seems to always come up with some far fetched interpretations and then tries to fit the rest of the Bible into them.
He beraids others that do not hold to his view because, of course, his view is the correct one.
He's a divider and does not gather the flock, but scatters abroad.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
--Mark them that cause division, make them stand out, like a sore thumb: not an elevated position, like a giant.
Remember his views on Job? Eve? now Cain?
---micha9344 on 5/21/12


Leon:

You said: 'Axe, please tell us, where did giants come from? You say Genesis give no details. I say your conclusion is wrong. It's ripe with details, but you're not paying attention! :)

No. I said: You can conjecture all you like about WHAT Cain's mark was. However, Genesis gives no details as to what it was.

Genesis mentions giants ONCE: 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Genesis 4 deals with Cain, 5 with subsequent generations to Noah, then 6 mentions giants - MUCH later. No connection.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12


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"leon...you like to sensationalize things.
That's just one very remote possibilty, but it's not supported."
---aka on 5/20/12


If you spent more time looking at & hearing the Bible recorded evidence, instead of trying to analyze me, you might be able to see the truth.

"...conjecture all you like about WHAT Cain's mark was...Genesis gives no details as to what it was. There's no mention that it was intimidating. There's also no indication the mark was inherited by his children..."
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


'Axe, please tell us, where did giants come from? You say Genesis give no details. I say your conclusion is wrong. It's ripe with details, but you're not paying attention! :)
---Leon on 5/20/12


...The scriptures simply states...the Lord set a mark upon him [Cain]. Please give me another scriptural reference for your belief & I will consider it."
---trey on 5/16/12


Ok! Abel's big brother "rose up" & killed him. (G4:8) Cain was an ungodly, self-centered, premeditated murderer & liar. His great-grandson Lamech was a renown chip off the ol' block, i.e., a big bully. (G4:23-24)

Good & evil men were making lots of girl babies. The godly men saw the "babes" of the "ungodly men" & disasterously unequally yoked themselves to them, much to God's displeasure. (G6:1-3)

Renown, "giants" were already living in those days. Where did they come from? (G6:4)
---Leon on 5/20/12


//his being made a giant (G4:15)//

Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

made a giant ???

leon, you are coming very close to adding to as you have in the past.
---aka on 5/20/12


"...If Cain...became a giant, he would've been the 1st one, & there would have been no woman large enough to be his wife... the Bible says he had a wife...I don't think a regular size woman could bear their children [?], which would also be bigger than usual [?], & there was a whole race of giants. [?]..."
---Darlene_1 on 5/20/12


What you suppose is interesting Darlene. :) Nonetheless, I believe Cain was the 1st giant & yes, he had a wife, & sired children.

Not meaning to be vulgar, but just because someone is physically big in some areas doesn't mean they're... For example, consider the average size wives of renown atheletes like Shaquille O'Neal (6 children)? :)
---Leon on 5/20/12


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Leon:

You can conjecture all you like about WHAT Cain's mark was. However, Genesis gives no details as to what it was. There is no mention that it was intimidating. There is also no indication that the mark was inherited by his children.


Jed:

You said: Giants were the product of fallen angels (demons) that came to earth and mated with the women of Sodom. Read Genesis.

I suggest you do the same - you should pay attention to what Genesis actually says, and not what it does not say. It mentions sons of God and daughters of men. It does not mention demons or women of Sodom. Besides, this all happened before the Flood, and Sodom was a city built long after the Flood, so they could not possibly have been related.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


"Leon That's an interesting idea about Cain's curse but I don't think so..."
---Darlene_1 on 5/20/12


Darlene: Yes, Cain was cursed because he couldn't raise crops & was doomed to be a wanderer. (G4:11-12) But, his being made a giant (G4:15) had nothing to do with his curse. Actually, it was more of an odd blessing than anything else in that he was afraid of EVERY ONE taking revenge on him for murdering Abel. So, God made him gigantic & thereby able to intimidate his foes (EVERY ONE) "AND", at the same time, keep them (his foes) from becoming murderers like him. All they could do was throw stones to run him off.

Bottomline: God's ways are truly higher than ours. :)
---Leon on 5/20/12


Cain's mark had to be something ominously threatening to cause EVERY ONE to give serious thought about & avoid direct confrontation with him in battle. Cain's being transformed into a giant would've certainly achieved that goal.
---Leon on 5/20/12

mark - oth - a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.

leon, i notice that you like to sensationalize things.

that's is just one very remote possibilty, but it is not supported.
---aka on 5/20/12


Leon That is an interesting idea about Cain's curse but I don't think so. A little reasoning,If Cain was cursed like that and became a giant,he would have been the first one,and there would have been no woman large enough to be his wife which the Bible says he had a wife. One Giant's bed in the Bible was about 16 feet long,they weren't just taller,like over six feet or so,they were huge,I don't think a regular size woman could bear their children, which would also be bigger than usual,and there was a whole race of giants. Besides,the curse is plainly given Genesis 4:11,12 he could no longer grow crops,and would be a wanderer on the earth.
---Darlene_1 on 5/20/12


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"Where did giants come from?
From Adam and Eve. All mankind were giants before sin."
---jerry6593 on 5/20/12


Hmmmm!!! Why was Adam, Eve & their "pre-fall" children (likely daughters) giants? Well Jerry, IF THAT WERE TRUE it would certainly explain "where [US] midgets (little people) came from. (Elder on 5/17/12)". :D!!!
---Leon on 5/20/12


17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven, and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
I think you can say God is upset. Everything is corrupted.
Look at the horrific things man has done since Noah and the Lord has not intervened, this was mega.
The thing is there are so many different views on where giants came from? Did angels fall? Who was and who wasn't corrupted. The arguments go in circles.
It is though a note, only Enoch and Noah walked in the path of God, according to Genesis.
---chris on 5/20/12


"gigantism - God marked Cain, he didn't change his physical stature."
---aka on 5/19/12


No, Cain's mark was more than a tattoo or scarlet letter (M for Murderer) visibly placed on his body. God made Cain to suddenly stand out (head n shoulders above the rest) in a crowd. It was a sign marking him physically gigantic in stature. No doubt, he towered over EVERY ONE else like a monument. He was a marked man, one singled out & regarded as a dangerous social outcast & bully.

Cain's mark had to be something ominously threatening to cause EVERY ONE to give serious thought about & avoid direct confrontation with him in battle. Cain's being transformed into a giant would've certainly achieved that goal.
---Leon on 5/20/12


Where did giants come from?


From Adam and Eve. All mankind were giants before sin.


---jerry6593 on 5/20/12


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LindaH, your statement appears to be streaching to make something fit where it doesn't belong.
Angels never had the abolity to procreate.
Look at Gen 6:1-4 three statements of fact in order.
1. There were giants in the earth. (Before the union spoke of here.)
2. Sons of God came into daughters of men. (Doesn't indicate angels. This must be streched to say it does.)
3. Children were born unto them. (Duh, ain't that how it happens?)
Here we have some sort of illegal union that produces children and reveals total wickedness of man so much that God destroys them.
That's it!! That's all!!
---Elder on 5/19/12


gigantism - God marked Cain, he didn't change his physical stature.
---aka on 5/19/12


\\So, God set a mark on him ~ "gigantism" ~ to intimidate & make "EVERY ONE" afraid of trying to beat & /or kill Cain. It's that simple! \\

"Interesting interpretation.

I don't think I agree with it, but that doesn't mean anything.

Christ is risen!"
---Cluny on 5/19/12


Just curious Cluny. Why do you disagree?
---Leon on 5/19/12


One thing for sure the Bible doesn't tell us they came from a union of angels and humans. If that were true... Humm.... we'd hav'ta ask where midgets (little people) came from then??
---Elder on 5/17/12

LOL I feel you brother
Best answer in this blog
---francis on 5/19/12


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\\So, God set a mark on him ~ "gigantism" ~ to intimidate & make "EVERY ONE" afraid of trying to beat & /or kill Cain. It's that simple! \\

Interesting interpretation.

I don't think I agree with it, but that doesn't mean anything.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/12


A more plausible explanation for "giants" is overlooked in Genesis 4. Cain murdered Abel. Afterwards, he was afraid of "EVERY ONE". So, God set a mark on him ~ "gigantism" ~ to intimidate & make "EVERY ONE" afraid of trying to beat & /or kill Cain. It's that simple!

P.S. It's likely the practice of stoning originated way back in Adam & Eve, EVERY ONE & Cain's day. Hand-to-hand combat with Cain would've been too risky/dangerous. So, instead EVERY ONE threw stones (missiles) at the big bully. :)
---Leon on 5/19/12


Amigo
In first blogs I quoted the verse from KJV. The second time the Torah. They are the same other than the word Nephilim and giant. The only difference is giant is a species and Nephilim is a race of a species.

Luke 20
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
a) Are angels then children of God?
b) Can angels take on human form,with all the vices that brings?
I will leave you all to argue that.
---chris on 5/19/12


"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful, and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose." (Genesis 6:1-2)

So, it looks like it is saying daughters "of men" were taken by "sons of God" to be their "wives".

So, I can see that the "giants" were children of these "sons of God".

I can't say that a demonic angel would be called a "son of God". And an evil spirited angel, if it could marry a human woman, "might" not be able to produce a healthy baby, never mind a giant of renown.
---willie_c: on 5/19/12


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Elder, angels have been know in scripture to take the form of men.

Jesus said IN HEAVEN they do not marry. He spoke nothing of the ones who "left their habitation" (Jude 1:6)
---LindaH on 5/19/12


\\They got saved by faith, trusting in His blood sacrifice.\\

How did they trust in something they didn't even know was going to happen, much less had not happened yet?

BTW, the NT talks about believing in Christ's RESURRECTION, not His "blood sacrifice," a term the NT does not use.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


Jed not only do I own a Bible I read it. The Bible you own you should start to read it also. If you did you would learn that angels can't reproduce. But what do you care? I guess that you are mad because you are one of those midgets?
---Elder on 5/18/12


"shira, how were people saved before Jesus?
Cluny
Since Jesus is eternal God people, before His birth to take on human flesh, got saved the same way people do today. They got saved by faith, trusting in His blood sacrifice.
---Elder on 5/18/12


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\\God doesn't come back and say well let me change what I said here and their. KJV = True inspired Word of God.\\

Why?

And which recension of the KJV?

The 1611?

1769?

ABS of 1904 normalized according to American spellings?

With or without the Apocrypha?

Cambridge or Oxford exemplar?

BTW, "except" and "accept" are almost opposites. Learn to use them properly. And "their" is NOT the opposite of "here".

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


Giant existed before.Gen 6:1-6.It states clearly that,"there were giants in those days and also after that when the sons of GOD came in unto the daughters of men and bare children to them,the same mighy men which were of old men of renown."
---sheryl on 5/18/12


The one thing I have come to realize is that the reason there is confusion about the bible, what it says is because people wont except that Satan has corrupted bible translations. God makes things perfect one time and he definitely doesn't need some scholar to think that man can improve it, oldest sin = man can do a better job than God. God doesn't come back and say well let me change what I said here and their. KJV = True inspired Word of God. All others are corruptions. Until the people realize that first they need to decide to come to terms with this. you will always fight about it, Good Luck!!!!!! 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
---amigodana on 5/18/12


\\The chapter of genesis is just telling us that the sons of God(saved people)\\

shira, how were people saved before Jesus?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


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The large people are born from the union of a man and woman that produce the baby, just as small people are also born from the same reproductive process.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


Jed
You are saying I do not understand the verse?
When you have already mis-qouted. By saying daughters of Sodom. Where in Genesis 6.4. does it say that.

I believe the giants(Nephilim) were already here, if you read the verse correctly.
The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, (before and after) when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same (meaning the children) were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
That is from the Torah.
In brackets is me.
The verse makes effort to seperate Giants (Nephilim).. from mighty men of old renown. Showing them as different.
---chris on 5/18/12


There was ony one supernatural birth that didn't involve a human male.. Jesus Christ our Lord.
---micha9344 on 5/18/12


Maybe we should refer to the giants as Nephilem, then talk of what people think the men of old renown were.
All I am saying in my belief, the men of renown are not Nephilem, on the way the text is worded. Otherwise it would of said so surely.
Nephilem seems to be the original phrasing.For the 'giants' in Gen 6.4.
There were it is believed other giants at this time though.
---chris on 5/18/12


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"Probably from another dimension within our minds. Within the level of conscienceness. The third dimension. Aliens come from there, no wait a minute, they come from every country in the world. And some are illegal."
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


Don't be such a speculative mental midget Mark.

Elder: For sure, the canonized Bible doesn't teach angels & women mated regardless of what the Jedi & others think (speculate). That's ridiculous extrabiblical nonsense.
---Leon on 5/18/12


we all know angels are non gender so how can they mate with people on earth. The chapter of genesis is just telling us that the sons of God(saved people) went unto the daughters of men.(unsaved people). We still have that problem today. saved marrying unsaved. I even did that myself
---shira4368 on 5/18/12


Chris, you seem to not understand that verse. First it says that there were giants, then it goes on to tell how the giants came into existence. It does not make any distinction between the giants and the "mighty men of old". That is describing the giants.
---Jed on 5/18/12


Genesis
Chapter 6. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

It does not say giants were born to the daughters of men in Genesis.
Many people make the assumption they are.
The one sure thing, God is not at all happy about it.
'daughters of men' says human race, rather than tribe. It also implies that these daughters were human,not part giant or anything else. Nor does it say they were corrupt. It is only after the mating Genesis talks of the corruption and wickedness of man.
check Genesis ch6 5. 6. 7.12
---chris on 5/18/12


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Genesis 6.4
Tells us clearly there were giants before and after this time.
It makes a clear distinction between giants and mighty men of old, men of renown.
There is no confusion on this.
---chris on 5/18/12


Probably from another dimension within our minds. Within the level of conscienceness. The third dimension. Aliens come from there, no wait a minute, they come from every country in the world. And some are illegal.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


//They came from New York. Yea, I'm sure of it. They are a ball team from New York.//

then, the moved to SF. (probably more similar to Gomorrah than NY.)
---aka on 5/17/12


\\Giants were the product of fallen angels (demons) that came to earth and mated with the women of Sodom. Read Genesis.
---Jed on 5/17/12\\

Jed, can you quote the verse in Genesis where it says the women of Sodom were involved in the production of giants?

I think that YOU are the one who needs to read Genesis.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/12


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Elder, you need to read your Bible. Do you own one?
---Jed on 5/17/12


They came from New York. Yea, I'm sure of it. They are a ball team from New York.
One thing for sure the Bible doesn't tell us they came from a union of angels and humans. If that were true... Humm.... we'd hav'ta ask where midgets (little people) came from then??
---Elder on 5/17/12


Giants were the product of fallen angels (demons) that came to earth and mated with the women of Sodom. Read Genesis.
---Jed on 5/17/12


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