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Good Works For Salvation

To what extent are good works important for our salvation and Christian walk?

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Good Godly works With Salvation Acts 2 v 38, Not good works for salvation.
---Lawrence on 6/4/12


Ruben, works give evidence of who you are. They count against the lost and count as rewards to those who are saved.
(Rom. 2:6,7) is speaking to unbelievers, they are "inexcusable" They judge others of the same sin's they themselves practice (v.1,2).
( 1 Peter 1:13-17) is referring to believers conduct, since they had hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to them at the revelaton of Jesus Christ (v.13,14).
(1 Tim 4:16) is also referring to believers preseverance in believing the truth always which accompanies genuine conversion (Matt. 24:13: John 8:31: Phil 2:12, Col. 1:2.3). The priorities of a godly leader are summed up in his personal holiness and public teaching. You will know them by their fruits.
---Mark_V. on 5/24/12


marc//Yes, sorry about that Lee. Brain implosion. For some reason got you mixed up with Cliff. Apologies all round.
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My children used to think I was infallible but then they grew up and saw that I really made an occasional mistake.

I do know that I am not mistaken when it comes to what the Jehovah's Witnesses and Adventists believe.
---lee1538 on 5/22/12


Yes, sorry about that Lee. Brain implosion. For some reason got you mixed up with Cliff. Apologies all round.
---Marc on 5/22/12


The Jehovah's Witnesses are a step child of Adventism as their founder Charles Taze Russell had as his mentors the SDA.

Error beget error!

Too bad Jerry & Francis cannot see that but it is refreshing to see former Adventists tell of their experiences on other forums.
---lee1538 on 5/22/12




Mark_V.* Lee, works have no place in bringing salvation.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12

Really:

Romans
Romans 2:6-7 "God "will render to each one according to his works."

1 Peter 1: 13-17 "Since you call on a Father who judges each persons work impartially"

1 Tim 4:16 "Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."

Nana and others have given other scripture vesre pertaining in works we must do!
---Ruben on 5/22/12


marc, I don't know where you get the idea that Lee defends the J.Witnesses. I have never seen him defend them. What made you answer the way you did? I was just wondering because I went back and have read almost all of his responses and have not seen one to support their view. You must have read something he said wrong.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


marc //It was I who put the comment about JWs and works and the Watchtower providing salvation, not Trey.
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Thank you for the correction.

//So, the Adventist remark has zero connection to me.

Seems like you'd like to still defend the JWs. So, would you like to comment or are you going to run away?
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I have a rather busy schedule that is far more important than responding to things on this forum. But since we are largely of the persuasion, I think you will do well and without me.
---lee1538 on 5/21/12


Lee,

It was I who put the comment about JWs and works and the Watchtower providing salvation, not Trey.

So, the Adventist remark has zero connection to me.

Seems like you'd like to still defend the JWs. So, would you like to comment or are you going to run away?
---Marc on 5/20/12


Mark_V. Your post 5-18-12 was an good answer. Scriptures relevantly quoted is always the best answer we can offer in our posts.

And when Jesus was asked what works we should do (John 6:28,29) he answered: "believe on him whom he hath sent".
---Haz27 on 5/19/12




Eloy//Not all they that say to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, rather the one that Does the commands of Father of me which is in heaven.

Eloy which would you rather be, the one who does everything right by the book or the one who is a sinner?

Luke 18:10-13 Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
---lee1538 on 5/19/12


Luke 1:17 ", and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

Why make ready a people prepared for the Lord."?

John 3:19_21 "... and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Or walk in darkness and play pretend
What do you do?
---Nana on 5/19/12


Concerning works, I agree 100% with MarkV's post. Amen Mark. As concerning our "Christian walk", the only labour required of His called and chosen is to "labour to rest" In Jesus simply by embracing His rest. For "he who has entered His rest, has himself also ceased from his works as God [did] from His. His rest will empower a love for our fellow man, through the indwelling presence of His Spirit. That love will yield to this admonishment, "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets". Therefore, "I considered all this in my heart, so that I could declare it all: that the righteous and the wise and their works are in the hand of God."
---Josef on 5/19/12


James says, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." (James 2:24) So, the works that God means, here, are needed. And I notice, that with this scripture, James gives us examples of works of love. I understand that it is essential to do works of love with our Father so we develop right in love so we are compatible with our Groom Jesus so we can spend eternity with Him and each other.
---willie_c: on 5/19/12


Lee, I agree. Where is the rest? Where is the joy and comfort of knowing that Christ has loved us and saved us from the wrath to come? The SDA aren't alone. I have friends who are Church of Christ and they also worry that they haven't done enough. I pray that God will open their eyes to the wonderful truth of his grace!
---trey on 5/19/12


"Not all they that say to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, rather the one that Does the commands of Father of me which is in heaven. Then will the King say to them on his left hand, Depart from me, all you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungered, and you all gave me no food: I was thirsty, and you all gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you all took me not in: naked, and you all clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you all did nothing for one of the least of these, you all did nothing for me. And these will go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
---Eloy on 5/18/12


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Trey//To a Jehovah's Witness it's everything. Without works and without the Watchtower there is no salvation.

And to the Adventists, since grace is simply a provision enabling one to observe the law, works has every significance.

Adventists are in constant fear and dread that when they face their Investigative Judgment their works of righteousness may not be sufficient for them to merit eternal life except the one they will see in the lake of fire.

Poor souls, Jesus is not the Savior, they are!
---lee1538 on 5/18/12


Lee, works have no place in bringing salvation.
1. "But to him who does not work but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." (Rom. 4:5).
2. "Now to him that works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt." (Rom. 4:4).
3. "Not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Eph. 2:9).
4. "So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy." (Rom. 9:16).
5. "Why? because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, "by works of the law. For they stumble at the stumbling stone" (Rom. 9:32).
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


JAMES 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead.

TITUS 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us., by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
---RICHARDC on 5/17/12


To a Jehovah's Witness it's everything. Without works and without the Watchtower there is no salvation.

How frightening! Imagine how much a JW must fret and have to knock on that next door and the next and the next....

I'm working up a thirst and sweat just thinking about it!
---Marc on 5/17/12


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Trish, AMEN!!! Good answer Sister. It makes me happy to see God's children with understanding of his word.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 5/17/12


Very important:

First example is in the parable of the talents. Those who increase their talents with good works were saved. Those who buried their talents by not doing good works were lost ( Mt 25:14-26)

Second example is also in Matthew 16:47 " he will reward each person according to what they have done"

And finally in 1 Cor 3:15 Paul explains how a peson must pass through fire based on his works he done during his life time. If the works are bad he is condemned but if it is both good and bad, the bad is slowly removed but not prevent his salvation.
---Ruben on 5/17/12


Read Ephesians 2:8-9 to answer the first question. Then read the book of James to answer the second question.
---Trish on 5/17/12


You decide about the value of self-effort (deeds)....

Hebrews 6:10
"For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work".

The APOSTATE devotion is when you rely on "works" in order to DESERVE God's FREE GIFT (do not try to be "worthy", it is an insult to The Lord). All spiritual love (DIVINE/"PERFECT LOVE"/reverence) is to be given to GOD ONLY (otherwise it is "CORBAN", Mark 7:11).

JESUS did all the "works" necessary for a WALK/journey with God...

John 6:28 "What must we do?"....TRUST HIS WORKS and let them be manifested in your daily "REST", John 9:3).
---more_excellent_way on 5/17/12


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