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Authority Over God

More and more I come across people who say they are Men, and Women of God. They also say they have authority over God, and God cannot do anything unless they give God permission. What are your thoughts?

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Cluny: "\\Obeying the law of God every day does not make the day holy.\\

Yes, it does."


Then why do you teach disobedience to the law? Are you trying to create unholiness? And, even if you did have the divine power to make something holy (which you don't), wouldn't that be a WORKS trip? You are so conflicted!


---jerry6593 on 5/31/12


1 Thesalonians 4:3_7 "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour, Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness."
---Nana on 5/30/12


Obeying the law of God every day does not make the day holy.\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


scripture please.

from you I will even accept apocrypha
---francis on 5/29/12


\\Obeying the law of God every day does not make the day holy.\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


You don't think that yours do, do you?
---Cluny on 5/29/12

Only God makes things holy.

Obeying the law of God every day does not make the day holy.

Living a holy life every day does not make the day holy.

God declared that the 7th day was holy. All other days are common, That does not mean that they are unholy, just common.

Now, will you be asking me this question 2 months from today?
---francis on 5/29/12




\\Your actions does not make a day holy or unholy, \\

You don't think that yours do, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


Cluny on 5/29/12

Can you make a difference between what is holy and what is common?

6 days of the week are common, one day is holy

We are to obey the laws of god every day, but that does not make the day itself Holy.

What made that one day Holy is the word of God, not the actions of men.

We are commanded to keep the day holy. If we choose not to keep the day holy, that does not make the dya holy. It only mens we have sinned by not keeping that day holy.

some of the things which we are allowed to do on the six common day are forbiden on the 7th day, which is aholy day
---francis on 5/29/12


I don't know about you, francis, but I do my best to be holy on ALL days.
---Cluny on 5/29/12

There are different holy things.

1:Nehemiah 10:31 the holy day
2: 1 Chronicles 22:19 the holy vessels
3: Exodus 22:31 holy men
4: Mark 8:38 the holy angels.

Your actions does not make a day holy or unholy,

What Makes something holy is GOD.

So you question is rather foolish.
Regardless of what you do on Wednesday, that does not make that day holy. Only God can make a thing holy.

Whatever you do on the sabbath does not make it unholy, God has declared THE DAY to be holy. The actions of unholy men, does not remove the blessing of God on the sabbath
---francis on 5/29/12


\\How many days of the week did God bless, sanctify and make holy?
ANSWER:1\\

How many days of the week did God curse, abominate and make UNholy?
ANSWER:0

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


What you're saying, francis, is that you cannot answer my question.

---Cluny on 12/12/11
Let me put in another way.

How many days of the week did God bless, sanctify and make holy?
ANSWER:1

What can man do to remove God's blessing on that day:
ANSWER: NOTHING

When man does not keep the sabbath, does sin fall on the sabbath or on the man:
ANSWER: THE MAN

When man rests on sunday does that make sunday holy:
Answer: NO

When man sins on sunday does that make sunday unholy:
ANSWER: NO it makes the man a sinner
---francis on 12/13/11
---francis on 5/29/12




\\If we live unholy, and live in a profane sinful manner in a day which God did not declare to be holy, it is WE who are unholy. The day example sunday was never set aside as holy by God\\

I don't know about you, francis, but I do my best to be holy on ALL days.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


//How is the day which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day that SDA keep sabbath ( SATURDAY) different// francis

the jewish sabbath is/was observed from sundown on Friday until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.

nowadays, church service for a few hours on Sat or Sun and a visit to cracker barrel is Sabbath.
---aka on 5/29/12


Hey,people of god,If I can remember correctly,believe the last I use to watch so-called Christian T.V.there was such a crazy talk & not to give him any credence but,I have heard such as mr.Long(can't call him bishop) anyway and some others talk about "god is in them" they take over authority ....Yep!That's been a good 3 yrs. Or more....I do not listen to any Christian Radio...It goin' be the same people on there too!People need to be very carefull how they misuse the authority of god! He is holy,he is sovereign and He do not need us..We Need Him! Thankyou,moderator!
---ELENA on 5/29/12


francis, there you go again complaining about the day that you say others do not keep holy and you do. And to this day you cannot name the Day God said was to be kept holy. You said God commanded man that Saturday was to be the Sabbath. And continue to complain about others, when you cannot show one passage. You don't need my help to help you find that passage, you talk about the subject all the time, you should be able to provide the passages. You are avasive. Very avasive.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/12


MarkV: "francis, you are been avasive."

Is that supposed to be English? The two words you were looking for are "being" and "evasive".

You are so frustrating to deal with! I have answered your questions many times, but here it is again just for you.

The word "Saturday" is not in the Bible. The Bible commands the keeping of the seventh day Sabbath - the day that Jesus kept. Do you believe that YOU should do likewise? If so, why don't you try to find out what day that is today?

I hope Francis isn't holding his breath waiting for an answer from you.


---jerry6593 on 5/29/12


I keep on asking if there is any day that we are FORBIDDEN to worship, or any day that we are permitted to keep in in UNholy manner, and I get no answers.
---Cluny on 5/28/12 Any

Unholy Days Since Christ
---Cluny on 12/11/11

If we live unholy, and live in a profane sinful manner in a day which God did not declare to be holy, it is WE who are unholy. The day example sunday was never set aside as holy by God
AND
when we choose not to keep the sabbath day holy, it is we again who are unholy by living in sin. The day has been made holy, blessed and sanctified by God, our behaviour on that day does not affect or remove the blessing of God on that day. It only affects our relationship with God
---francis on 12/12/11
---francis on 5/28/12


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---Mark_V. on 5/28/12
I am not being evasive.

Do you want the answer or not?

I just need some clarification from you, and you will get the answer.

I want to be 100% clear on what you are saying so that I may give an accurate responce.

To answer this question, I need some clarification from you.

Are you saying that the day on which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep sabbath ( saturday) are different days.

How is the day which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day that SDA keep sabbath ( SATURDAY) different

Do not be so difficult. PLEASE give me the information so that I may answer you.

Once I get this cleared up, i will answer you
---francis on 5/28/12


\\You worship on Saturdays and tell everyone they are breaking the Ten Commandments, so show the passages.\\

I keep on asking if there is any day that we are FORBIDDEN to worship, or any day that we are permitted to keep in in UNholy manner, and I get no answers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/28/12


No human on this earth has authority over God. God doesn't need our permission for anything. We do have to sometimes remember to get out of God's way and let Him work in us and our lives instead of trying to take care of things ourselves,but that isn't giving permission,that's just obedience. We give our life to God and surrender to His will for us,he does not surrender to us. We can have confidence to know What ever God calls us to,He will equip us to do,therefore,all things concerning our lives are in his hands. Jesus gave up His will in obedience to the Father when He died for our sins,how can any human think they should do any less ?
---Darlene_1 on 5/28/12


francis, you are been avasive. Warwick talked about people who are avasive. You stated that God commanded man that Saturday was the Sabbath. Jerry did the same thing. I ask for one passage and nothing. All you and Jerry do is try to talk your way out of your mess.
"Be a man and answer the question." Jerry was not man enough to answer the question, how about you? You worship on Saturdays and tell everyone they are breaking the Ten Commandments, so show the passages. This way we can say, sorry, you are right. Come on, do not be avasive. You are a good guy, I have seen many other answers you give that are good ones. I'm waiting for this one.
---Mark_V. on 5/28/12


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If you have insight knowledge bring it on. I love to learn. I will read it and get back to you.
---Mark_V. on 5/27/12

We think that you may be the one with some inside knowledge. Because you post may be suggesting that the day on which Jesus kept the sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep the sabbath ( SATUDAY) maybe different days.

I am just waiting for your inside information so that I may answer you.

If you have inside information which states that the day which Jesus kept sabbath, the 7th day, and the day which SDA keep sabbath ( SATURDAY) are different days jerry and I would like to have it before we answer you.

So I ask again, is jesus sabbath day, and SDA sabbath day ( saturday) different?
---francis on 5/27/12


Francis: You will never get clarification from MarkV - only obfuscation. As you can see below, when I clearly state his position (which he will never do), he even argues with that. It is as if he thinks that confusion is a valid reason for breaking God's Commandments. I like your question as to whether he thinks we keep the same day Jesus did. I suspect that either he doesn't know or wouldn't admit it if he did. Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.


---jerry6593 on 5/28/12


francis, you do not need my help. You have not provided anything. You spoke about Jesus, and when He went to speak to the Jews. Some how you think that my answer will some how create a passage out of thin air that will say, God commanded man to worship on Saturdays, but it will not. Ok so maybe you have a passage where Jesus Christ commanded man to worship Saturday Sabbath, go ahead and give that one. I have not read it.
---Mark_V. on 5/28/12


jonweckl on 5/27/12
I am ready and willing to answer Mark_V. I just need some clarification from him, and he will get the answer.

I want to be 100% clear on what he is saying so that I may give an accurate responce.

To answer this question, I need some clarification from Him.

Is it too much to ask for clarification?

I want to know if mark_V is saying that the day on which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep sabbath ( saturday) are different days.

Once I get this cleared up, i will answer him

Is that not fair?
---francis on 5/27/12


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Jerry, there you are again. Have you found the passages I asked? I don't think so. Now you are going to say something bad about me right? Look, I really don't mind what day you and francis want to worship. I have no laws or rules. I am not alone. Many have answered you guys. And to this day you have not provided anything. If you have insight knowledge bring it on. I love to learn. I will read it and get back to you.
---Mark_V. on 5/27/12


I ask you where in Scripture, it says that God commanded man to worship on Saturday as the Sabbath. Are you going to answer? .
---Mark_V. on 5/27/12

I am ready and willing to answer. I just need some clarification from you, and you will get the answer.

I want to be 100% clear on what you are saying so that I may give an accurate responce.

To answer this question, I need some clarification from you.

Are you saying that the day on which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep sabbath ( saturday) are different days.

How is the day which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day that SDA keep sabbath ( SATURDAY) different?

Once I get this cleared up, i will answer you
---francis on 5/27/12


Jerry, i think (and MarkV please correct me if i'm wrong) more than just contending on whether sabbath is a saturday, his main thrust is that the day as to when people should worship should not be a point of debate. "I have no complains when people worship."

But since SDAs speak of breaking the Sabbath because we do not worship on a Saturday, He gave you 2 challenges:

1. If sabbath, which is the 7th day from which God rested from his works, is a Saturday, it would mean that He started his creations on a Sunday. Hence his question, "where in scripture did God say he begin creation on a Sunday."

2. As a result of the 1st question, he asks where in scripture did God command man that sabbath is a saturday.
---jonweckl on 5/27/12


Francis: After many frustrating debates with MarkV, I have concluded that he does not disagree with the seventh-day Sabbath, only that that day is Saturday. In this position, I contend that he is alone in the world.


---jerry6593 on 5/27/12


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francis, you now say,

"Are you suggesting that the day on which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep sabbath ( saturday) are different days?"

francis, I have not suggeted anything. I have no complains when people worship. You do. Jerry and you have made comments that God commanded man to do Saturday Sabbath. I said He never did. So I ask you where in Scripture, it says that God commanded man to worship on Saturday as the Sabbath. So I ask for Scripture, since both of you accuse others of breaking the Sabbath. I don't mind what day you want to worship, but you sure do complain what day we worship.
Are you going to answer? If not, stop complaining. I also don't want to misunderstand you correctly.
---Mark_V. on 5/27/12


Mark_V. many times on these blogs people missunderstand each other. I do not wish to missunderstand you. I want to be 100% clear on what you are saying so that I may give an accurate responce.
If you are so eager to get an answer from me, why delay. Clearify for me what yu are suggesting and I will be sure to answer:

To answer this question, i need some information from you.

Are you suggesting that the day on which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep sabbath ( saturday) are different days?
---francis on 5/26/12


"Where in Scripture did God command man to keep the Saturday Sabbath?
---Mark_V. on 5/26/12

To answer this question, i need some information from you.

Are you suggesting that the day on which Jesus kept sabbath, and the day on which SDA keep sabbath ( saturday) are different days?


I am willing and ready to answer you, but I need this information to give you a correct answer
---francis on 5/26/12


---Rob on 5/25/12
FIRST: taking your name from the bible does not mean a thing. Nothing in scripture says take your name from the bible.
SECOND: the Bereans studied THE OT, you have issues with the OT
THIRD: If you studied the bible you would know that stiiting or standing above the congregation is biblical, even Jesus did it
FOURTH: i know MANY Berean SDA churches, google it.

FIFTH: Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:

SIXTH: 1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
---francis on 5/25/12


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francis, you do a lot of talking and to this day have not provide the passages I ask you. You do not need my help to find a passage. I'm still waiting. Here are the two questions again:

"Where in Scripture did God command man to keep the Saturday Sabbath?

"Where in Scripture did God say He begin creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday which is the seventh day from Sunday?"


Make you case in order to tell others what you said is true. And that they are breaking the commandment of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/26/12


Francis and Jerry, if you would get your head out of the teachings/writtings of Ellen G. White, who over and over again has been proven to be a FALSE PROPHET, and study the Bible, asking and asnwering the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and TO WHOM the scripture was written, you may learn something.

If you were to study scripture, you would know I am speaking of the Bereans, and my place of Worship follows the example set by the Bereans.

For SDA's to say you should never question those who are in authority over you, is a typical sign of being in a Cult. I guess SDA's also would have followed Jim Jones, and David Koresh.

What about all the the times when Christ was questioned by His disciples and others?

---Rob on 5/25/12


Oh Rob .....

What name do you go by, and where did you get it?


---jerry6593 on 5/25/12


The Pastor, and Elders do not elevate themselves above anyone, and sit with the congregation. They will admit at times they do make errors in teaching.
---Rob on 5/22/12

If you studied the bible, you would NEVER question anyone sitting above ( physically) the congregation:
Nehemiah 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose, And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, (for he was above all the people,) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

It is biblical

And based on your posting:, kid, they tecah a LOT of errors.
---francis on 5/22/12


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we take our name from Acts 17:11.
Now, let me ask you what SDA's do, and where do they get their name?
---Rob on 5/22/12

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

What is your church's name: noble, or Thessalonica, k nuf kiddin

I will tell you where SDA get there name from IF you tell me what the word " SCRIPTURE" in this passage refers to. Note well, that this is a set up to get you to admit that the word SCRIPTURE here means what we call the OLD TESTEMENT. That the church which you are named for used ONLY the OT to see if these things were so
---francis on 5/22/12


Rob: "God and His word is only a standard." You are such a devious little man. Here is an actual quote from Ellen White. See if you can spot the difference.

But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms.


"Now, let me ask you what SDA's do, and where do they get their name?"

We get our name from our doctrines - the Seventh-day Sabbath and the 2nd Advent (coming) of Jesus. These doctrines have been held by men continuously from the Creation until now. What name do you go by, and where did you get it? I'd hate to guess.


---jerry6593 on 5/23/12


Francis, at my place of Worship and study, we take our name from Acts 17:11.

Whether it be Sunday School, The Sunday Sermon, or Mid-Week Bible Study, we go through the Bible book by book, chapter by chapter, and verse by verse.

We also ask and answer the questions, WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and to WHOM the Scripture is written.

The Pastor, and Elders do not elevate themselves above anyone, and sit with the congregation. They will admit at times they do make errors in teaching. Whenever anyone may present them with an error, they will examine it. If they were in error, they will stand before the congregation and correct it.

Now, let me ask you what SDA's do, and where do they get their name?
---Rob on 5/22/12


---Rob on 5/22/12
I do hope that your pastor is a source of truth and authority. Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Paul, Ellen White, Deborah, Agabus, all were continuing and authoritative sources of truth,


---Mark_V. on 5/22/
Well, like I said I need a little more information from you before I provide that passage.

What i need to know is this:
Are you saying that the sabbath which SDA keep ( SATURDAY) is not on the same day on which jesus kept the sabbath?
Once I get that answered, then I will provide you that passage
---francis on 5/22/12


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Here is another example of Rob missuoating someone or smethng thathe read:

Ellen G. White is their continuing and authoritative source of truth, and God and His word is only a standard. This alone implies SDA's place EGW in authority over God.
---Rob on 5/22/12

This is what he saw an d should have posted:
As the Lords messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.
---francis on 5/22/12


what Rob also will not post is the rest of the statement:

Through it, (ELLEN WHITE'S MINISTRY) the Lord guided the development of the Church from a small number of members to a worldwide movement entrusted with the proclamation of a message of salvation in Christ and the hope of His soon return in glory. Her ministry has directly contributed to the preservation of the unity of the Church and has sustained it in difficult times. Her writings continue to be a most positive influence in the life of the Church, providing for it comfort, guidance, instruction, correction, and theological stimulus. Their study will constantly lead the Church back to the Bible as the very foundation of faith and practice.
---francis on 5/22/12


The people who say such things have a wrong understanding of who they are and the word of God. God does not need permission from any man or spirit that HE had created. That God does not force Himself on us is not equal to "men giving permission to God".
---Adetunji on 5/22/12


Francis, there are positions of authority in the Church.

But no one is to elevate themself above others in an exhaulting, arrogant, boastful, or prideful manner where others are to bow down to them. Leaders and those who are in authority are to have a humble spirit. At my place of Worship the Pastor and Elders sit with the congregation.

Jerry, in SDA's own statement of beliefs, Ellen G. White is their continuing and authoritative source of truth, and God and His word is only a standard. This alone implies SDA's place EGW in authority over God.
---Rob on 5/22/12


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francis, you said, God commanded man that Saturday was to be the Sabbath. You are doing a lot of hurdling. Not presenting any passages to that effect.
You gave (Matt. 28:1) as your proof. That passage does not mention God commanding man that Saturday was to be the Sabbath. Read it again,
"Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn..." Do you read anything about God commanding anything? I don't. We know what day the Jews considered Sabbath, but we also know what day the new believers consider Sabbath. But I don't read anything where God said Saturday was to be the Sabbath. If you want to accuse others of not keeping the Sabbath Saturday, then show us where God commanded that.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/12


I have read many of robs post. I am 100% sure that he did not post correctly what he heard.

I am willing to bet is that what he heard is that God gave man authority / dominion on earth:
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God being a God of his word would respect that man was given, and restored to, dominionon on earth.
Thus God who is able to do as he pleases, does not interfere with man's dominion except by man's wishes, or something like that, but not authority over God.
---francis on 5/21/12


well that just shows u how foolish human beings can be,and think.the creator of the universe,and all life is accountable to his word,the only control we have is by our choices.and ultimately we will pay for some.
---tom2 on 5/21/12


Foolish pieces of clay. The Most High whom made the clay has all power over his clay to do whatsoever he desires to the clay- beutify it and make it into a vessel of honor, or else smash it down and make it into cursed beast to be thrown into the firey furnace.
---Eloy on 5/20/12


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Rob: Blah, blah, blah! Your very own topic here is "authority over God". Why don't you stick to your own topic? Give us your reasoning from Scripture alone, and spare us the hate mail!


---jerry6593 on 5/21/12


-Rob on 5/18/12 You question whether a teacher can be an authority in the church.
Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow,

-Rob on 5/19/12 you questioned sabbath as being a weekday
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the lord

-Rob on 5/17/12 you question elders sitting on platforms
Nehemiah 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, (for he was above all the people,) and when he opened it, all the people stood up

Where is YOUR biblical reference for sabbath being Jesus?
Clearly at this point satan has got your mind
---francis on 5/20/12


Jerry, let's get something perfectly clear right here and now.

I am not SDA, I have never been SDA, and I will never become SDA. Why, because from doing much research and study, I know who they are and what they are about.

However, I will take a stand against Satanic Cults, who are masqurading as being of or from God, 2 Corinthians Chapter Eleven.

I will continue to take a stand for the TRUTH OF MY LORD AND SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS!

All a person needs to do is carefully examine the posts of SDA's and it will be very clear how the Gospel of CHRIST JESUS is foolishness to them, and CHRIST CRUCIFIED is a stumbling block, 1 Corinthians Chapter One.

Satan has accomplished his goal with those who are SDA's.
---Rob on 5/20/12


---Mark_V. on 5/20/12
I am not saying that they are right or wrong. I am saying find out why they believe as they do before you become a critic.

Do you really hink that the sabbath which SDA keep ( SATURDAY) is different from the one which Jesus kept?

Here is the text you seek:
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,

Do not outsmart yourself again.

---Rob on 5/20/12
Hey, you said that Jesus is your sabbath, and that my sabbath was a day of the week. I gave you 5 scriptures to show thatthe sabbath has always been and will always be a day. all I ask is that you show me your scripture for saying Jesus is the sabbath
---francis on 5/20/12


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Hmmm! Never met anyone who admitted to being above God.
Yet many of us including some in the pulpits. Who tell us 'this is how it is', rather than 'this is what I believe the bible tells us'.
Some even form judgement on others and pass it, we see it on here.
I have seen people being told they are 'Not Christian'
'heading for damnation' etc Something we are told not to do in the Sermon Of The Mount.
That is saying we put our authority over God.For it is not God's judgement that is being passed. It is what we have decided.
---chris on 5/20/12


francis, to my answer you said,

"Find out on what this is based before you think it is wrong
---francis on 5/18/12"


Are you saying that if man ask God to turn over His power to them God will oblige, and man becomes Sovereign over God? Then He can move God to do what he wants? You didn't give one passage on God commanding man that Saturday was to be the Sabbath or that God begin creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday, and now you say if man ask God for His Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, God will give it to them? Can you provide passages for that also?
---Mark_V. on 5/20/12


Rob: "Why don't you answer about Ellen G. White going to other planets."

Why don't you take off that silly tinfoil hat and get a grip. If you were really once a SDA, you would know that EGW NEVER left the earth. She was "caught up" in vision the same as all the other prophets in the Bible. Your hatred for real Bible-believing Christians is poisoning your mind.

Your very own topic here is "authority over God". Why don't you stick to your own topic? Give us your reasoning from Scripture alone, and spare us the hate mail!


---jerry6593 on 5/20/12


Francis, THERE YOU GO AGAIN WITH YOUR HYPOCRITICAL WAYS!

Look at all the times when you have avoided answering others questions, but you always want them to answer yours.

Also look through these blogs and see how many times you have went on a rant because someone shared truth about SDA's, who they are, and what they believe. THIS IS PART OF WHAT SDA'S WON'T TELL YOU AND DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW.

This is a typical ploy of cults. They keep the truth about themselves hid until they have a person deceived and brainwashed.

NOW FRANCIS, IF YOU WANT YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, FIRST ANSWER OTHERS PEOPLES QUESTIONS. COWARD!
---Rob on 5/20/12


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---Rob on 5/19/12
Let me also add this: IN of of the bible we know that the sabbath is the 7th day.

There is only ONE verse in all of the bible that sasy REST IN THE LORD:

Psalms 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good, [so] shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psalms 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD, and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
Psalms 37:5 Commit thy way unto the LORD, trust also in him, and he shall bring [it] to pass.
Psalms 37:6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him

and it NEVER replaced the 7th day as the sabbath

NOW SHOW ME YOURS
---francis on 5/19/12


Christ is my Sabbath. Your Sabbath is a day of the week.
---Rob on 5/19/

Lets play show me yours, and I will show you mine:

Here are my texts that show sabbath is a DAY of the week:
Exodus 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh DAY.
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh DAY is the sabbath of the LORD thy God
Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, my holy DAY:
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's DAY,

Here is my text that says in in the new earth we have BOTH Jesus and Sabbath:

Isaiah 66:22-23 the new earth,..it shall come to pass, that from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 5/19/12


Francis, by the Grace of God, Christ is my Sabbath. I have my peace and rest in Him each and every day.

Your Sabbath is a day of the week instead of a person. This is because you reject Christ.

Now that I answered your question, why do continue to avoid answering questions myself along with others have asked you?

Why don't you answer why Ellen G. White is SDA's continuing and authoritive source of truth, and God and His Word is only a standard.

Why don't you answer about Ellen G. White going to other planets.
---Rob on 5/19/12


Francis, I believe God is the creater of the universe, is omnipresent, and knows all the things He created.
---Rob on 5/19/12
Do you not know that it is only be keeping the sabbath that we worship God as creator?
Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

you believe that God created the world?
James 2:19 the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

So why do you not keep the sabbath?
---francis on 5/19/12


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---Rob on 5/19/12
In your church, do you not have people who " rule over you and teach you the word of God"

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

And why do you have a problem with people on pulpits?

Nehemiah 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose, And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, (for he was above all the people,) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:


Are you angry that SDA follow the bible?
---francis on 5/19/12


Isaiah 55:11 says that God's word shall do all that God wants, not what you give Him permission to do.

But there are some independent baptists and evangelicals and Pentecostals etc. who say Jesus can't save you unless you give Him permission. Are these people "Word of Faith", too?

Jesus says, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me." (in Luke 9:23) Yourself includes your own "free will", I would say . . . that Jesus says to deny. So, I would say we need to not depend on our own selves, in any way, at all, but fully depend on God to "continually" (Isaiah 58:11, Philippians 2:13) guide us (Colossians 3:15).
---willie_c: on 5/19/12


Francis, I believe God is the creater of the universe, is omnipresent, and knows all the things He created.

Francis,please share with others on these blogs how many times Ellen G. White traveled through space and the universe, has been to Jupiter and Saturn, and saw tall majestic people living on these planets.
---Rob on 5/19/12


Rob,

I have never heard of this before.
I was taught once one is saved they are to seek the will of God in all things.
We are to line ourselves up with what he wants us to do. And if we do this, he blesses us. We will never go without. I know for sure it is truth.
No God won't save a person unless they ask but asking means to put yourself under submission to God. Not the other way around.
When the Holy Spirit convicts you of sin, you have 2 choices... Repent or not. Choose God's way or not.
---ginger on 5/19/12


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---Rob on 5/18/12
Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow,

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls

I know you do not know much about the bible. In the bible there is such a thing as LEADERSHIP. Ellen White was a LEADER in the church who taught the word of God. I have invited you to choose one of her book for examination.

2 Cor10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our OUR AUTHORITY, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

Nothing unbiblical with a leader being in authority and teaching truth
---francis on 5/18/12


\\Ellen White is not SDA god. Where did you get that idea?\\

Christians say the Spirit of Prophecy in the Apocalypse is the Holy Spirit.

SDA says it's EGW.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


Ellen White is not SDA god. Where did you get that idea?
---frabcis on 5/18/12


Francis, why don't you share with those on these blogs, why for SDA's Ellen G. White is their God, along with being their continuing and authoritative source of truth, and why for SDA's, God and His Word is only a standard which SDA's follow.

For true christians, God and His Word is their only continuing, and authoritative truth, by which they follow and set their standards.

This is not the other way around, like it is with SDA's.
---Rob on 5/18/12


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SDA's say Ellen G. White is their continuing and authorative source of truth.
---Rob on 5/18/12

I gave you a chance to prove Ellen WHite wrong in the steps to christ blod, and you could not wanna try another book?

1: Acts of the apostles
2: Christ's Object Lessons,
3: The Desire of Ages,
4: Patriarchs and Prophets
5: Prophets and Kings,
6: The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan

your pick this time since this blog of your is destined to be a anti SDA / anti ten commandments / anto Ellen g white, blog anyways
---francis on 5/18/12


I know Word of Faith teaches, but I wonder if it got it's intial start fro Seventh Day Adventist.

SDA's say Ellen G. White is their continuing and authorative source of truth.
---Rob on 5/18/12


It may be worth it to find out why they say that.

This may be based on God giving man dominion on earth.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven

It may be based James 4:2 ye have not, because ye ask

John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full

Find out on what this is based before you think it is wrong
---francis on 5/18/12


Rob, what you describe in your question is called Religious Science.
---Catholicus on 5/18/12


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2 TIMOTHY 3:1-9

---Leon on 5/18/12


Rob, thank you so much for for putting the blog down for us. That is the most perplex thing some believers seem to believe in. They say, God is awesome, that He can do anything, they even pray to Him to change their families and bring them to faith.
And what do they believe? That God cannot do anything unless sinful man give Him permission. Now isn't that the most rediculous thing you ever heard? Not just man, sinful man at that. Sinful man keeping God at their mercy. The complete opposite of what Scripture teaches, that we are at His mercy, not the other way around. They can manipulate Him at their will. Even make Him do what they want. such nonsense. The God of the Bible is Omnipotent.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/12


Greater hubris than Satan. At least he said only, "I will be like the Most High," never, "I will be over the Most High."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/12


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