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Can someone please show me the text that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?

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ginger,
thanks for the kind words. God bless you too.


Jerry6593,
No one will find the verse you're asking for. The reason is that NONE of the Law is applicable to Christians.

Galatians 3:21-25
"If a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on the law"

"Before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law"

"Therefore the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ"

"But now that faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR"
---James_L on 5/23/12


francis:

You said: Is not the creator the creator of all christians?
Does not the NT say to worship the CREATOR?


What does keeping the Sabbath (or not) have to do with worshipping the Creator?

Galatians 4:9-10:
"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years."

Romans 14:5
"One person considers one day more sacred than another, another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."

So, keep your Sabbath sacred, but allow us the freedom to consider all days equally sacred.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/12


---James_L on 5/22/12
You are wrong on all counts,
1: Law was for ALL MEN:
Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised,

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger,..their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

2: Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,

So they were indwelled with the Holy Spirit

James_L you are not even searching scriptures to see if these things were so
---francis on 5/23/12


The covenant God made with Israel at Mount Sinai is an all or nothing covenant.
The covenant Christ made with the world is an all or nothing covenant.
They have simiarities, but are exclusive.
This is why some stricter denominations still only pick and choose from the 600+ Mosaic laws.
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy, and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
2Co 3:6b-7a,c ...for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones...which [glory] was to be done away:
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
---micha9344 on 5/23/12


Thank you James!
I really enjoyed and learned something from that last post. I never thought of it that way until you pointed it out.
God bless You!!
---ginger on 5/22/12




Rob//Why do SDA's have people working in their hospititals and other institutions on the Sabbath
---
And they also break break break the Sabbath and sin sin sin when they kindle a fire in their homes on the Sabbath.

The Word of God is very explicit.

Exodus 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

We Christians, however are not under the law of the Jews.
---lee1538 on 5/22/12


Hi Jerry, I hope I am understanding you correctly. Let me try to answer what I believe you are asking this way.
If you were under a contract and the contract expired, would you still be under that contract? If you had a new contract, would you refer to your old contract or your new contract for guidance. While the old contract may be able to shed light on the new, the new contract is what is applicable. The word testament means covenant or contract. We are no longer under the old covenant (law) we are now under a covenant of grace.
---trey on 5/22/12


francis thinks that man was made for the Sabbth.
---James_L on 5/22/12
What did I post that sussest that?

Applying the sabbath to Christians is still a false doctrine.
---micha9344 on 5/22/12
Is not the creator the creator of all christians?
Does not the NT say to worship the CREATOR?


Why do SDA's have people working in their hospititals and other institutions on the Sabbath
---Rob on 5/22/12
Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Our hospitals are open so that we can continue to do good on the sabbath.

James_L: If man was made for sabbath SDA hospitals would be closed on sabbath
---francis on 5/22/12


francis,

The Law, with its rituals and observances, were given to Israel. Not to anyone else.

OT believers were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and therefore needed the Law as a constant reminder to be faithful to God.

Even all of His miarcles were not enouh to keep them focused.

But believers today are born again, and are partakers of the divine nature.

We do not walk by the leeter, but by the Spirit
---James_L on 5/22/12


I've noticed there is differences (thus ambiguity) amongst SDAs regarding obedience.
Even SDAs themselves recognize that there are strict legalists amongst their brethren.

Some work some Saturdays at their jobs whilst others dare not. Some eat meat and pork whereas others not.
Some drink alcohol and do recreational drugs whilst others not.

But the thief on the cross is in paradise with Jesus without any obedience to the law. He believed on Jesus, and that is our works (John6:29)

SDAs however argue for (ambiguous) differing levels of obedience to the law to prove salvation.

BUT, you CAN'T mix grace and law...ever (Rom 11:6).
---Haz27 on 5/22/12




THE COMMANDMENTS: Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

WHO AND HOW DO WE KEEP IT HOLY: Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

WHY DO WE KEEP IT HOLY: Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Did the death and resurrection of Jesus replace the fact that God is the creator?
---francis on 5/22/12


Rob > "Why do SDA's have people working..."

Agree with you there. If the SDAs believe that the 10Cs is still to be observed then it should be observed as how it was mandated. Remember, what God had commanded, thou shalt you do. Do not take away or add anything to His words.

The law on sabbath as given to the Israelites was that no work was to be done on that day. "whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death."(Exo.35:2)
---jonweckl on 5/23/12


Sandy_G: "Would not the world be a better place if even one of the 10 commandments (let alone all ten) were kept by everyone?"

Amen!

You'll note that no one has offered an answer to the blog question, yet many have served up generous portions of hate mail. You have to wonder what motivates people who insist on their right to disobey God, attack their fellow Christians, and yet want to be viewed as pious Christians.


---jerry6593 on 5/23/12


Micha9344, StrongAxe,

francis is correct that the sabbath was a DIRECT remembrance of God as Creator.

But where francis fails is CONTEXT.

Many times, God commanded "When You Enter The Land..."

The Canaanites had gods for the sun (Shapash), dawn and dusk (Shachar and Shalim), the heavens (Shamayim) etc, some of which were specifically mentioned in the creation account

Observance of the Sabbath was, in effect, saying:
Our God Made The Sun, The Heavens, The Morning and Evening

But, francis thinks that man was made for the Sabbth. Jesus, on the other hand, said that the Sabbath was made for man
---James_L on 5/22/12


Good Job, francis..
in context, you're learning.
Applying the sabbath to Christians is still a false doctrine.
Exo 31:13-17(select) ...children of Israel...my sabbaths ye shall keep...a sign between me and you throughout your generations...Ye shall keep the sabbath...every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death...whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant. It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever...
1Cor 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
--There's a difference
---micha9344 on 5/22/12


Francis, there you go again sharing what is written in Exodus 20:8-11.

Once again I will ask you why SDA's place this on people and say a person must do this, when SDA's don't do this themselves?

Francis, what is wriiten in Exodus 20:10?

Why do SDA's have people working in their hospititals and other institutions on the Sabbath
---Rob on 5/22/12


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I can't believe francis used verses about God as Creator,.., to support the claim that the sabbath points to God as the Creator.
---micha9344 on 5/22/12
Take a look:

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: FOR IN SIX DAYS GOD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: WHEREFORE the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francis on 5/22/12


Would not the world be a better place if even one of the 10 commandments (let alone all ten) were kept by everyone?
---Sandy_G on 5/22/12


francis:

Yes, the fourth commandment commands us to observe the Sabbath. Other commandments forbid murder and adultery etc. too.

However, NONE of the verses we have been discssing that talk about God being the creator mention anything about the Sabbath, nor murder, nor adultery either.

It is YOU who are singling out God as creator of the Sabbath out of verses that talk about him creating everything. Why do you single out his creation of the Sabbath out of all other things, since the verses (and the contexts of those verses) have nothing to do with the sabbath? Is EVERYTHING about the sabbath to you?
---StrongAxe on 5/22/12


I can't believe francis used verses about God as Creator, that have nothing to do with the day of rest prescribed to Israel, to support the claim that the sabbath points to God as the Creator.
Are their no depths to which he will stoop to support a false doctrine, including twisting the Word of God?
---micha9344 on 5/22/12


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As you just mentioned from Acts 17:24, EVERYTHING that God created points to him as the creator. So I ask again, why do you single out the Sabbath for this issue? ---StrongAxe on 5/21/12

I am not the one who singled it out

The 4th commmandment is the one God singled out to say that he was thecreator of heavenand earth
---francis on 5/22/12


//The NT mentions many times to worship the CREATOR. the sabbath points to God as creator.

I rather doubt if anyone on this forum does not believe that God is the Creator, however, we do acknowledge the fact that no where in the NT did He command the observance of any day as holy.
---lee1538 on 5/21/12


francis:

As you just mentioned from Acts 17:24, EVERYTHING that God created points to him as the creator. So I ask again, why do you single out the Sabbath for this issue? Neither Romans nor Revelation nor Apostles mention the Sabbath with respect to God being the creator. Why do you think it so much more important than they did?

And even if YOU think it's so much more important, why do you think it matters to any of the rest of us, as per Collossians 2:16-17, it isn't your business to judge us on food, or drink, or celebration of any feasts or sabbaths?

(Although honestly, I'm curious why you don't make such a big deal about celebrating the New Moons, Tabernacles, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, etc. as you do about the sabbath)
---StrongAxe on 5/21/12


Haz: Thanks for the info on your nickname. In the US we call harold "Hal".


"Do you have any scripture to support your view that NT is not Holy Scripture?"

In general, the NT writers quoted exclusively from the OT. I can only recall one instance in which one NT writer commented on the writings of another, and it was NOT to call it sacred. Peter said the following about Paul's writings, and these CN blogs prove him right:


2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


---jerry6593 on 5/22/12


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Eloy//Christians which have Christ's nature do not think, "Should I lay down with a beast?" The Christian follows the Holy Spirit, and not any dead letters of the law.

Exactly, one that has only an ethical philosophy and really does not know the Lord, does not have the Holy Spirit within Him for guidance in our faith and walk.

When one becomes a genuine Christian, that person become a new creation and things that are wrong in thought or deed start to disappear.

2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, behold, the new has come.

We have yet to hear a personal testimony from Francis or Jerry on what has happened in their lives when they came to faith.
---lee1538 on 5/22/12


---lee1538 on 5/21/12
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands,

The NT mentions many times to worship the CREATOR. the sabbath points to God as creator.

por lee he does not know that the sabbath points to God as creator
---francis on 5/21/12


jerry6593: In Australia sometimes names are shortened amongst friends. Example, "Barry" becomes Baz or Bazza. "Harry" or "Harold" (in my case) becomes Haz or Hazza.

Do you have any scripture to support your view that NT is not Holy Scripture?

You misunderstand James 2. Jesus spoke of our works in John 6:29 "believe on the one whom he hath sent". This is exactly what the thief on the cross next to Jesus did. Nothing more.
---Haz27 on 5/21/12


the old testiment was given to us for a reason. plus it is a lot of history. we would do well to read them both. You will find Christ in the new and old testiments.
---shira4368 on 5/21/12


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francis //If that is true then what do you say about this verse:
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith

It is not in the NT, does that mean that it does not apply to christians?
---
The New Testament in several places condemns sexual immorality, so your argument is totally stupid.

Poor Francis, he has made the Bible into a rule book but wants only to view the Old Testament.
---lee1538 on 5/21/12


francis, Christians which have Christ's nature do not think, "Should I lay down with a beast?" The Christian follows the Holy Spirit, and not any dead letters of the law. You must either be all Christ's or else not, you cannot serve the New Law and also the dead old law. period. No Christian follows what the dead old laws dictated, because we are under Christ's New Laws of love. Please read Galatians very carefully, it is a small book, but the Galatians were trying to do the same thing. You cannot have death and life, nor can you serve both the ministry of death and the ministry of life.
---Eloy on 5/21/12


It may be bext just to admit that there is nothing in the bible, nor in any credible literature which says that
only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians.

Where are these COMMANDS in the NT:
Leviticus 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
---francis on 5/21/12


It is easy to see why so matter leave the Adventist church. Instead of it being all about Jesus, to the Adventists it is all about the Sabbath.

They could care less about the person that is not a Christian as their target is other Christians.

Yes, Eloy, Rob, these poor devils hate it when they are exposed.

It is no wonder that there are so many books written against Adventism and Internet sites by former Adventists. Adventism does not bear the gospel or its truth.
---lee1538 on 5/21/12


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francis, read it again, and the old testament being "done away with", "abolished", and "disannulled".
---Eloy on 5/20/12

Yes we all agree that the old covenant is done away with. But that does not say that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians

If that is true then what do you say about this verse:
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith

It is not in the NT, does that mean that it does not apply to christians?
---francis on 5/20/12


//Remember righteousness by faith came before the law. The law came later as a tutor to bring us to Christ. But now we are no longer under a tutor.

Exactly, but Jerry will not accept that as he thinks righteousness comes through obedience to law, especially obedience to the 10 commandments.

"For by grace you will be saved thru the law, and that of yourself." Adventist Bible.

(remember that grace to the Adventist is simply a provision that enables one to obey the law and thus merit salvation).
---lee1538 on 5/20/12


Haz27, that is what you should expect from Jerry.

Whenever someone exposes the herisies of Seventh Day Adventist, Jerry's only method of defense is to resort to name calling, putting people down, and trying to intimidate them though bullying.

That is mighty Christian of him wouldn't you say. Or should we say that is MIGHTY DEVILOUS of him.

I encouge you to google WHAT SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS WON'T TELL YOU, and HIDDEN HERISIES OF SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS.
---Rob on 5/20/12


StrongeAxe, I agree with what you wrote on 5/20/12.

Many times I have shared what is written in 2 Timothy 2:14-19, and Acts 17:11.

I encourage people to ask and answer the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and TOO WHOM scripture was written.

Umfortunately, SDA's and those who are in other SATANIC CULTS are unable to do these things because they have been so brainwashed and deceived by satan and his servants. They lack the capacity and the ability to come to know GOD'S TRUTHS.
---Rob on 5/21/12


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Haz [so where did the name come from?]: "I agree, 2Tim 3:16 about ALL scripture referring to OT and NT."

I disagree! I seriously doubt that Paul believed his letters became "Holy Scripture" the instant they left his pen. He was talking exclusively about the OT.


"This means separate grace and works, not mix them together as SDAs do."

Tell that to James!

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


---jerry6593 on 5/21/12


//Remember to rightly divide the word of truth, 2Tim 2:15. This means separate grace and works...//

Curious...where does that interpretation come from?

---Rod4Him on 5/21/12


Jerry6593. I guess you think of me as Hazzard with our disagreements (I'm certainly not a Hazel though).

I agree, 2Tim 3:16 about ALL scripture referring to OT and NT.

Remember righteousness by faith came before the law. The law came later as a tutor to bring us to Christ. But now we are no longer under a tutor.

Remember to rightly divide the word of truth, 2Tim 2:15. This means separate grace and works, not mix them together as SDAs do.
---Haz27 on 5/20/12


2 Timothy 3:16:

Yes, all scripture is PROFITABLE for teaching, but that doesn't mean it necessarily directly applies to us.

It is useful for us to know the story of Abraham and Isaac, but that doesn't mean we should all rush up to the nearest mountains with our children in one hand and a knife in the other.

It is very useful for Christians to understand how God worked with Israel, but that does not mean we are bound by the old covenent, when we have a better new covenant instead.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


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---StrongAxe on 5/20/12
This verse does NOT say that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

I gave a FULL EXPLAINATION IN A BLOG CALLED: SDA Explain Colossians 2:16 and also in blog called: Old Covenant Feasts

Please read these two blogs
---francis on 5/20/12


francis, read it again, and pay very close attention to the scriptures I posted which clearly speak about the old testament being "done away with", "abolished", and "disannulled".
---Eloy on 5/20/12


StrongAxe post of 5/20/12:

That's really puting your own interpretation on a verse that has no bearing whatsoever on the blog question.
---Steveng on 5/20/12


francis and jerry6593:

you both said: Can someone please show me the text that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?

Colossians 2:16-17
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ."

Paul here says we should not judge each other about some things the old testament comands (keeping kosher, keeping the sabbath) - even though elsewhere he very clearly judges others about many other things (murder, adultery, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 5/20/12


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Eloy, cluny, stronaxe, I read your post, I did not seen anything in your post which answered the question:
"Can someone please show me the text that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?"

If there is some text that says only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians please show it.

My bible says: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Does this verse refer to NT only?
Keep in mind, there was no NT when this verse was written.
---francis on 5/20/12


Haz [Is that short for Hazel or Hazzard?]: "Jerry6593. I see Eloy, Willie_c and lee1538 have offered good scriptures to answer your question. Yet you reject them."

None of the scriptures offered mention Christians ignoring the OT and Only going with the New. Eloy (believe it or not) comes the closest by addressing the the change in the priesthood fulfilled by Christ. Have you ever read this in the New Testament?

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you think that this refers to the New Testament?


---jerry6593 on 5/20/12


Looking for a certain text to answer the blog's question? There is none when you try to find your answer using worldly proof. One must look at the answer in a spiritual manner.

The ultimate commandment is Love in which ALL the laws and the prophets hang. Therefore, ALL the laws and the prophesies are from beginning to end. God, as well as his word, is forever. Now, the difference between OT and NT covenants is a different matter: the OTC is of a physical nature, the NTC is of a spiritual nature, same laws, different terms. Just because one law or commandment isn't written in a physical sense, it would be foolish to think is isn't applicable. So, therefore, all laws and prophsies are applicable to all the people of the world unto the end.
---Steveng on 5/19/12


Before this blog ends, and before we get side tracked with another topic or topics:

Can someone please show me the text that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?
---francis on 5/19/12


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Jerry6593. I see Eloy, Willie_c and lee1538 have offered good scriptures to answer your question. Yet you reject them.

Your avoiding the real issue. The OT and NT speaks of 2 paths. Walking in the flesh OR in the Spirit. Works of the law OR Grace.

Your argument is for walking in the flesh/works of the law.

But Christians here on CN believe on Jesus instead. We are saved by grace. Our righteousness is by faith and not works of the law. We are led by the Spirit, thus not under the law (Gal 5:18).
---Haz27 on 5/19/12


Frances. if it would violate your conscience not to observe the sabbath, then by all means you must observe it. I have no objection. God bless you.
---Catholicus on 5/19/12


Before this blog ends, and before we get side tracked with another topic or topics:

Can someone please show me the text that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?
---francis on 5/19/12


---Catholicus on 5/19/12
1 Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

This is not in the letter. Would these be "troubling the gentiles" in the had to obey these?

The gentiles were already used to worshiping every sabbath:
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Unlike circumcision, there was never as issue of sabbath keeping in the chrcuh. All christians honoured Jehovah as Creator.
---francis on 5/19/12


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\\I see lots of silly theories and fanciful interpretations,\\

Only your interpretations and theories and use of scripture are silly and fanciful, jerry.

Oh, yes, those of francis and Eloy, too.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/12


Catholicus//The four prohibitions of Acts 15.20 were written into an official church publication and sent to the Gentile Christians at Antioch. It is very telling that nothing else was included, in order that the Gentiles should not be further troubled, verse 19. If the sabbath was that important, it would have been included also.
---
And we can conclude that early church affirms that as laws that were strictly Jewish were never imposed on the church.

Moral law, however, was expected even of non-believers and needed no instructions.

We notice our Adventist friends rarely quote from the New Testament to support Sabbath keeping and when they do quote from the NT, it is usually out of context.
---lee1538 on 5/19/12


The four prohibitions of Acts 15.20 were written into an official church publication and sent to the Gentile Christians at Antioch. It is very telling that nothing else was included, in order that the Gentiles should not be further troubled, verse 19. If the sabbath was that important, it would have been included also.
---Catholicus on 5/19/12


---StrongAxe on 5/19/12
Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree... Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of MY COVENANT, Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for allv ALL PEOPLE.

Covenant and sabbath for ALL PEOPLE
---francis on 5/19/12


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Very important passage in the NT:
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

If the only thing the gentile converts needed to do with have faith in Jesus and abstain from pollutions of idols...: No problems.
But we all know better. So how would they learn the other things which must be part of a Godly lifestyle: Be at synagogue every sabbath to hear the word of God.
The apostles could not write down everything required for Godly. The coverts would have to learn a little every sabbath.
---francis on 5/19/12


jerry6593:

The Law of Moses is part of a covenant between God and Israel. Unless you are Jewish, that covenant does not apply to you.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/12


jerry, Do you have difficulty in reading posts? All of my posting below are scripture directly from the Holy Bible, including book, chapter, and verse. ALL SCRIPTURE! Read it, accept it, and move on.
---Eloy on 5/19/12


I see lots of silly theories and fanciful interpretations, BUT NO SCRIPTURE stating inapplicability of OT unless repeated in the NT. Keep in mind that there was no NT at the time that the NT was written, so the premise is flawed at its core.


---jerry6593 on 5/19/12


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No. But this text of Paul says, "Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." (Galatians 3:24-25)

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

"for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (James 1:20)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
---willie_c: on 5/19/12


jerry, 2: "Now if the Priesthood be changed, then of necessity the Law also change be made. For there is truly a disannulling of the Commandment going before, for the weakness and unprofitableness of it. For the Law perfected nothing, but a bringing in of a better hope by which we draw near to God. By so much security, Jesus indeed parent of a better Testament. Then said he, Here I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second." Hebrews 7:12,18,19,22+ 10:9.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


Can someone please show me the text that states that only those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?

And please tell me what do we do with these verses:
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.

It is not in the NT at all.
Jesus did not command it, the apostles did not command it.

So is this OK with you?
---francis on 5/18/12


OT laws/covenant were of a physical nature, NT laws/covenant are of a spiritual nature. Same laws, different terms. OT law says not to kill (physical), NT law says not to be angry for you kill in the heart (same as OT law, but spritual). All the laws of the OT are applicable to everyone. God's laws doesn't change as God never changes, but the terms of the laws is different (from physical in nature to spiritual).Jesus did not come to abolish the laws, but to fulfil it. He fulfilled the prophesies of the prophets and fulfilled the commandments by obeying 100% just like you are able to fulfill the laws 100%.
---Steveng on 5/18/12


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The Sabbath has been fulfilled, and thus has passed away.

Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, And God blessed the seventh day. For this is the blessed Sabbath, this is the day of rest on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all his works, through the dispensation in accordance with death, he kept the Sabbath in the flesh, and returning once again to what he was through the Resurrection he has granted us eternal life, for he alone is good and loves mankind.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/12


jerry, 2: "But if the ministry of death, written engraved in stones, was glorious, which was to be done away: How will not the ministry of the Spirit be rather glorious? And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished. But their minds were blinded: for up to this day remains the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which is done away in Christ. But even up to this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it will turn to the Lord, the vail will be taken away." II Cor.3:7,8+ II Cor.3:13-16.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


francis//Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

How can it be obsolete when we who are in the new earth will keep every sabbath?
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We will not be doing the Sabbath in the new earth.

Isaiah 66:23 From one month to the next and from one week to the next all people will come to worship me," declares the LORD.

The Sabbath was the sign of the Sinai covenant (Exodus 31:13) but it will NOT be the sign of the covenant of the new earth.
---lee1538 on 5/18/12


"He who then forbade murder, does now forbid causeless anger. He that forbade adultery, does now forbid all unlawful lust. He that forbade stealing, now pronounces him most happy who supplies those that are in want out of his own labours. He that forbade hatred, now pronounces him blessed that loves his enemies. He that forbade revenge, now commands long-suffering...Nor did He make laws to root out our natural passions, but only to forbid the excess of them...He who had commanded to keep the Sabbath, by resting thereon for the sake of meditating on the laws, has now commanded us to consider of the law of creation, and of providence every day, and to return thanks to God."-Apostolic Constitutions
---micha9344 on 5/18/12


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What do you think that the bible means when it insists that all men worship God as Creator? Have you made the connection between worshipping God as Creator and keeping the Sabbath holy?
---francis on 5/18/12


Christ did not come in vain. We are under the New Law, not the abolished old law. The old law said to kill witches, and disobedient children, sacrifice animals, et cetera. So if you choose to follow the insufficient old law, rather than the New Covenant, then you must obey all things under the old law, in which case you will find yourself under the curse.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


jerry, 1 of 2: "But if the ministry of death, written engraved in stones, was glorious, which was to be done away: How will not the ministry of the Spirit be rather glorious? And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished. But their minds were blinded: for up to this day remains the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which is done away in Christ. But even up to this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it will turn to the Lord, the vail will be taken away." II Cor.3:7,8+ II Cor.3:13-16.
---Eloy on 5/18/12


So Jerry it is easy to see that the Sabbath commandment is ONLY of the Old & Obsolete covenant.
---lee1538 on 5/18/12
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

How can it be obsolete when we who are in the new earth will keep every sabbath?
---francis on 5/18/12


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---lee1538 on 5/18/12

So was the OC:
Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
---francis on 5/18/12


---lee1538 on 5/18/12
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

This is NOT in the NT. Will be dog be safe at your house?

Not every commandments needed to be repeated in the NT. Although the sabbath is several times in the NT. What we see is that the people of God continued to keep the sabbath.

Acts 13:43 many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

These jews and religious proselytes to whom Paul persuaded to continue in the grace of God were all CHRISTIANS keeping the sabbath!!!
---francis on 5/18/12


It is a matter of what a covenant is - an agreement between 2 parties. In the case of the Old Covenant made at Mt. Sinai, the covenant was only between God and the nation of Israel. Anyone else had to become a proselyte and submit to all the tenets of the OC.

In the same sense, the covenants God made with Noah and David was only to Noah and David.

The New Covenant was made between God & Israel but included anyone that would proclaim the name of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete (the Sinatic). And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

So Jerry it is easy to see that the Sabbath commandment is ONLY of the Old & Obsolete covenant.
---lee1538 on 5/18/12


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